who is running the Usenet ship?
Steve
wrote:
>The interesting thing I just realized is that you have the small systems
>telling the large systems what to do.
>
>How can sysadmins of sites that are absolute zero's - be telling the big
>sites what to do.
>
>It would be Rhode Island being able to dictate to NY or Cal what they
>should be allowing their citizens to do.
>
>This is a tyranny of the minority.
>
>How many of these vigilantes are there 13- 20??
>
>and they are holding hundreds of thousands of people hostage to their
>desires?
>
>You got to be kidding.
Are you on drugs?
Stephen Nicholson
Unix Project Leader
The Avenger
until the people rally and put an end to this obvious mis-use of power
then nothing will change my friend
Testicle Shitting Anal Wart
Steve wrote in message <388489a7...@news.supernews.co.uk>...
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:37:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
>wrote:
>
>>The interesting thing I just realized is that you have the small systems
>>telling the large systems what to do.
>>
>>How can sysadmins of sites that are absolute zero's - be telling the big
>>sites what to do.
>>
>>It would be Rhode Island being able to dictate to NY or Cal what they
>>should be allowing their citizens to do.
>>
>>This is a tyranny of the minority.
>>
>>How many of these vigilantes are there 13- 20??
>>
>>and they are holding hundreds of thousands of people hostage to their
>>desires?
>>
>>You got to be kidding.
>
I get a sneaking suspicion he/she was dropped on their head as an infant.
I R A Darth Aggie
The Avenger <pyter_t...@hotmail.com>, in
<38848a24...@news.cybercomm.net> wrote:
+ On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:37:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
+ wrote:
+
+ >The interesting thing I just realized is that you have the small systems
+ >telling the large systems what to do.
+ >
+ >How can sysadmins of sites that are absolute zero's - be telling the big
+ >sites what to do.
+ >
+ >It would be Rhode Island being able to dictate to NY or Cal what they
+ >should be allowing their citizens to do.
+ >
+ >This is a tyranny of the minority.
+ >
+ >How many of these vigilantes are there 13- 20??
+ >
+ >and they are holding hundreds of thousands of people hostage to their
+ >desires?
+ >
+ >You got to be kidding.
+ until the people rally and put an end to this obvious mis-use of power
+ then nothing will change my friend
Most people don't care. Many of them will ask why *more* cancels
aren't issued. I don't think you want the masses running things,
anyway...
James
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
The Bill of Rights is paid in Responsibilities - Jean McGuire
To cure your perl CGI problems, please look at:
<url:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html>
Jeremy
> The interesting thing I just realized is that you have the small
> systems telling the large systems what to do.
What small systems?
> How can sysadmins of sites that are absolute zero's - be telling the
> big sites what to do.
Absolute zeros? Speak for yourself. Anyway, you do know that we don't
do this as part of our jobs, right? That anything I do or say here has
no relation to the company I work for? That I do this as myself, not
as a representative of that company, which is why, for example, I don't
post here under my work address? The company where I run a *top 10*
site, not one that is an "absolute zero"? The company where my system
is about as "big" as @Home's?
Or do you just not want to understand these things? We're not "sites",
we're just people.
> and they are holding hundreds of thousands of people hostage to their
> desires?
>
> You got to be kidding.
And you still don't even begin to understand what is going on. No one
is holding anyone hostage.
--
Jeremy ( jer...@exit109.com | bo...@netscum.dk )
Rebecca Ore
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:44:00 GMT,
> The Avenger <pyter_t...@hotmail.com>, in
(Snips)
> + >
> + >You got to be kidding.
> + until the people rally and put an end to this obvious mis-use of power
> + then nothing will change my friend
>
> Most people don't care. Many of them will ask why *more* cancels
> aren't issued. I don't think you want the masses running things,
> anyway...
The masses don't understand why we don't just make sure that people
who ask polite ladies' groups about how to clean off semen stains lose
their accounts forever and ever.
Hang around here for a while and see what the average Usenetter wants.
--
Rebecca Ore
http://www.ogoense.net
Nohbody
> until the people rally and put an end to this obvious mis-use of power
> then nothing will change my friend
*snicker*
The only power being used is by the administrators/maintainers of the
systems that accept the UDP cancels. Said admins are well within
their rights to drop any and all packets they don't care for. The
concept is called 'private property'...
Usenet (and the internet in general) is a cooperative medium. @Home
was the first to be uncooperative, by letting their usenet spam
problem get so bad that a UDP was even seriously proposed, let alone
discussed and agreed upon (for certain values of "agreed upon").
[An aside to the NANAU crowd:]
You know, it seems like trolldom in general has taken a serious
decline in the past few years. I mean, I was in here when Boursy,
S.P., and the like were going full-tilt with their wild rambling rants
and general kookiness, back in late 97 (yes, I know they were around
before then... I wasn't, though, so I didn't see it).
Dan Poore
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) member #571; Junior member of the Cabal (tinc)
ICQ UIN: 3908950 <http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3908950>
Rebecca Ore
> you made me laugh real good - your post was definitely unexpected -
> thanks -
>
> So why do you want to take over the Usenet then? lol
>
My ambitions are simple -- I want to run a server for my friends and a
top 100 Freenix news site. Next week, I may get to start on my first
wish. I suspect the top 100 Freenix news site is more iffy.
Go to Dejanews and look up Becky Kearns. I'm tempted to say that I
want the both of you to have a nice long date where you and she
discuss Usenet in a car that's run out of gas about 40 miles from the
nearest phone.
I R A Darth Aggie
Nohbody <noh...@radparker.com>, in
<6r798ss3aqtneq5ls...@4ax.com> wrote:
+ Usenet (and the internet in general) is a cooperative medium. @Home
+ was the first to be uncooperative,
Not hardly. UUNet. Earthlink. Prodigy. AOL. All either threatened with
a cluestick beating, or given a cluestick beating. At least @Home had
the good sense to move forward.
+ [An aside to the NANAU crowd:]
+ You know, it seems like trolldom in general has taken a serious
+ decline in the past few years.
Yes.
I R A Darth Aggie
Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net>, in
<m3vh4r1...@pyrophore.ogoense.net> wrote:
+ sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz (I R A Darth Aggie) writes:
+ > Most people don't care. Many of them will ask why *more* cancels
+ > aren't issued. I don't think you want the masses running things,
+ > anyway...
+ The masses don't understand why we don't just make sure that people
+ who ask polite ladies' groups about how to clean off semen stains lose
+ their accounts forever and ever.
Hey, you just can't UDP whitehouse.gov, you know. Besides, it was rude
of them to refuse Bill^Wthe poster an answer.
+ Hang around here for a while and see what the average Usenetter wants.
The people screeching "First Amendment" and "Free Speech" would be
aghast if they knew what the average (for some approximation of
average) Usenetter wanted.
Rebecca Ore
> tell me what you suggest?
Stop top posting now that Chuck Demas is replying to you civilly.
Spend some time reading what was going on earlier in this group.
Lurk.
Nohbody
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:24:58 GMT,
> Nohbody <noh...@radparker.com>, in
> <6r798ss3aqtneq5ls...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
> + Usenet (and the internet in general) is a cooperative medium. @Home
> + was the first to be uncooperative,
>
> Not hardly. UUNet. Earthlink. Prodigy. AOL. All either threatened with
> a cluestick beating, or given a cluestick beating. At least @Home had
> the good sense to move forward.
I was limiting the topic strictly to the proposed @Home UDP. I'm
aware other networks have had the UDP cluestick threatened or applied.
Perhaps that limitation was a bit too restrictive, but I had just
woken up about 10 minutes before that post. I wasn't, at that point,
mentally up to a broader viewpoint that encompassed all of usenet
history. :)
Rebecca Ore
> Rebecca Ore wrote:
> >
> > omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> writes:
> >
> > > tell me what you suggest?
> >
> > Stop top posting now that Chuck Demas is replying to you civilly.
>
> yea that surprised me
>
It's really a surprising group. We've all been through some
high serious madness together.
Thanks. Everyone, of course, will throw rotten fruit at me if you
suddenly turn civil. It's a nanau tradition, not to be missed.
Rebecca Ore
> I've walked 20 miles before!! lol 40 couldn't be so much worse.
>
>
>
> tell me how to get onto deja news
> when I type in www.dejanews.com it takes me to www.deja.com - I don't
> see any newsgroup archives.
>
Up in the upper left corner is something called power search. Click
there, and you'll get a page that allows you to search by key words,
authors, date spans. Jeremy has an url that allow this same search
without the ads, but I've lost it since upgrading to a new OS. The
key words are news servers and the authors are me and Becky Kearns.
Enter them with no caps. Deja is a hideous interface for reading
news, but you really need to get some history here.
Post under -- always. Or I'll accuse you of being Dimitri Vulis.
Flaagg
<reb...@ogoense.net> says...
>sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz (I R A Darth Aggie) writes:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:44:00 GMT,
>> The Avenger <pyter_t...@hotmail.com>, in
>
>(Snips)
>
>> + >You got to be kidding.
>> + until the people rally and put an end to this obvious mis-use of power
>> + then nothing will change my friend
>>
>> Most people don't care. Many of them will ask why *more* cancels
>> aren't issued. I don't think you want the masses running things,
>> anyway...
>
>The masses don't understand why we don't just make sure that people
>who ask polite ladies' groups about how to clean off semen stains lose
>their accounts forever and ever.
>
>Hang around here for a while and see what the average Usenetter wants.
Mr. Avenger,
If Usenet was run the way 'the people' seem to want it to be run, you
would have just lost your news access as a rabble-rousing troll. Be
verrrrrry careful what you wish for.
--
Aaron M. Henne -mhm 9x2-
I R A Darth Aggie
+ Go to Dejanews and look up Becky Kearns. I'm tempted to say that I
+ want the both of you to have a nice long date where you and she
+ discuss Usenet in a car that's run out of gas about 40 miles from the
+ nearest phone.
Whoa, cowboy. What's omlette done to deserve that hideous fate?
I R A Darth Aggie
Nohbody <noh...@radparker.com>, in
<2ib98s499ddi1bf7o...@4ax.com> wrote:
+ Perhaps that limitation was a bit too restrictive, but I had just
+ woken up about 10 minutes before that post. I wasn't, at that point,
+ mentally up to a broader viewpoint that encompassed all of usenet
+ history. :)
Posting to usenet without caffiene in your system is a hanging offense
in some places... :)
Jeremy
> so how do you keep spam under control?
The company, you mean? By doing something about it, of course. I
don't do it personally; it's someone else's job.
Incidentally, I'm seeing some improvement here, in that you didn't
top-post this. I'm quite pleased. Now let's get to work on your
excessive quoting. You need to trim the bits you aren't replying
to. You're making such good progress, don't give up now.
Jeremy
> tell me how to get onto deja news
> when I type in www.dejanews.com it takes me to www.deja.com - I don't
> see any newsgroup archives.
Of course not; it's their most useful service, so obviously they keep
it well-hidden. I think there's a tiny link on the main page that
says "power search", but it may be so small that you can't see it.
You can try my improved, simpler front-end though:
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html
Now repeat after me: "Reply at the bottom, reply at the bottom..."
I R A Darth Aggie
omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>, in
<X_2h4.4017$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com> wrote:
+ I've already checked on HipCrime - so was this the original HipCrime or
+ a HipClone?
Indistinguishable. Call it a 'Clone. If it is the real one, then it'll
irk him to not get credit...
James - irking the Hip's is a Good Thing
Nohbody
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:22:20 GMT,
> Nohbody <noh...@radparker.com> wrote:
>
> + Perhaps that limitation was a bit too restrictive, but I had just
> + woken up about 10 minutes before that post. I wasn't, at that point,
> + mentally up to a broader viewpoint that encompassed all of usenet
> + history. :)
>
> Posting to usenet without caffiene in your system is a hanging offense
> in some places... :)
Caffeine takes roughly a half hour to have any effect, for the average
human.
Besides, I had to steal my coffee pot back from the EPA, who declared
it a SuperFund site.
CJ Behnsen
> my comment was sarcastic - you pathetic genius
>
> who are you kidding anyway - your posts appear to be the epitome of
> psychotic posting and censorship.
>
> I'd have plonked you last thursday if I had a killfile.
It's funny how you resort to namecalling when someone posts something
completely thought through, and logical, not to mention is filled with the
one resource you lack: Common sense.
You're fighting a losing battle, my friend. Perhaps you should pack up now,
and leave before you end up even lower than the 0 on the scale of 1-10. :)
--
CJ.B
eatsnackysmores
Sergi
Darth Aggie) totally goes like:
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:22:20 GMT,
>Nohbody <noh...@radparker.com>, in
><2ib98s499ddi1bf7o...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>+ Perhaps that limitation was a bit too restrictive, but I had just
>+ woken up about 10 minutes before that post. I wasn't, at that point,
>+ mentally up to a broader viewpoint that encompassed all of usenet
>+ history. :)
>
>Posting to usenet without caffiene in your system is a hanging offense
>in some places... :)
>
>James
If I ever get around to getting my server up it's going to be an AUP violation.
--
Sergi, KotAGoR XXX
"I know you can read my thoughts, boy. MEOW meow meow meow MEOW meow
meow meow MEOW meow meow meow MEOW meow meow meow."
-Homer Simpson
Cabal Public Relations
> Everyone?
Apologies; "Everyone" was an exaggeration. "Almost everyone" would
be more accurate. When our investigators canvassed your neighborhood,
they did find a few people who didn't laugh at you behind your back.
The nice woman who had the stroke, for example. Of course, she really
isn't laughing at anyone these days, is she?
> Do you know who I receive phone calls from?
Yes, of course we do.
> Can you read my email?
Yes, of course we can.
> Tighter circles? Can you see the checklist I have on my desk with almost
> everything checked off? or are you concentrating on the doodle in the
> bottom left corner?
Well, we are not omnicient. We might be able to see it, if you moved
out of the way. Or were you just making up the list, as a trap? We can
see part of your desk, and no such list is in evidence.
--
Cabal Public Relations
CJ Behnsen
> Posting to usenet without caffiene in your system is a hanging offense
> in some places... :)
Damn! Lock me up...
--
CJ.B
eatsnackysmores
I R A Darth Aggie
Nohbody <noh...@radparker.com>, in
<m8i98s8st9dc83ngd...@4ax.com> wrote:
+ sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz (I R A Darth Aggie) wrote:
+
+ > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:22:20 GMT,
+ > Nohbody <noh...@radparker.com> wrote:
+ >
+ > + Perhaps that limitation was a bit too restrictive, but I had just
+ > + woken up about 10 minutes before that post. I wasn't, at that point,
+ > + mentally up to a broader viewpoint that encompassed all of usenet
+ > + history. :)
+ >
+ > Posting to usenet without caffiene in your system is a hanging offense
+ > in some places... :)
+
+ Caffeine takes roughly a half hour to have any effect, for the average
+ human.
Ah, a guilty plea. Good, we wouldn't want the kangaroo court to strain
itself.
+ Besides, I had to steal my coffee pot back from the EPA, who declared
+ it a SuperFund site.
Hey, that's just when its getting broken in!
James
Vulis Terminator
* omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> writes:
*
* > I've walked 20 miles before!! lol 40 couldn't be so much worse.
* >
* >
* >
* > tell me how to get onto deja news
* > when I type in www.dejanews.com it takes me to www.deja.com - I don't
* > see any newsgroup archives.
* >
*
* Up in the upper left corner is something called power search. Click
* there, and you'll get a page that allows you to search by key words,
* authors, date spans. Jeremy has an url that allow this same search
* without the ads, but I've lost it since upgrading to a new OS. The
* key words are news servers and the authors are me and Becky Kearns.
* Enter them with no caps. Deja is a hideous interface for reading
* news, but you really need to get some history here.
*
* Post under -- always. Or I'll accuse you of being Dimitri Vulis.
# From: yu...@abel.harvard.edu (Yulya Fridman)
# Subject: Re: Phoney "Alec Nuyri" [sic] is a forged tentacle of Dr. Dimitri Vulis
# Date: 20 Sep 1995 00:00:00 GMT
# Message-ID: <43pgd8$3...@decaxp.harvard.edu>
# references: <43frcp$r...@panix2.panix.com> <DF33D...@world.std.com>
# <4L0NBD...@bwalk.dm.com> <43pab5$2a...@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>
# organization: Sozialistisches Patienten Kollektiv
# newsgroups: soc.culture.russian,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.usenet.kooks
#
# In article <43pab5$2a...@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>,
# Peter Vorobieff <pv...@lehigh.edu> wrote:
# >In article <4L0NBD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
# > d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) wrote:
# >
# >[rant cc:ed to my advisor and to practically every professor in my department
# >deleted].
# >
# >I am sincerely puzzled, folks. Does he really think it'll hurt me?
#
# Remember "Grafinya izmenivshimsya litsom bezhit prudu"?
#
# It's a game to play until the victim gets exhausted.
# Doesn't make sense to engage in the game from your
# part unless you have a couple of millions to spare.
#
# "Gruzite apel'siny bochkami brat'ya karamazovy".
#
# Yulya.
VT
HickClone or Vulis, whatever.
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Sergi
<woo...@SPAMFILTER.west.net> totally goes like:
Yeah, really. Cut it out, d00d.
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:31:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
>wrote:
>
>>tell me what you suggest?
>>
>
>Well for openers, you might listen for a change and not top post. It
>is rude and inconsiderate.
>woo...@FILTERwest.net
>Remove the Spam blocker to reply
I R A Darth Aggie
CJ Behnsen <bigs...@home.com>, in
<N64h4.36$_d.4...@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com> wrote:
+ "I R A Darth Aggie"
+
+ > Posting to usenet without caffiene in your system is a hanging offense
+ > in some places... :)
+
The kangaroo court will be along momentarily.
Rebecca Ore
>
> HickClone or Vulis, whatever.
Yoo vast ve, Dimitri?
Rebecca Ore
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:52:22 GMT,
> Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net>, in
> <m3901n1...@pyrophore.ogoense.net> wrote:
>
> + Go to Dejanews and look up Becky Kearns. I'm tempted to say that I
> + want the both of you to have a nice long date where you and she
> + discuss Usenet in a car that's run out of gas about 40 miles from the
> + nearest phone.
>
> Whoa, cowboy. What's omlette done to deserve that hideous fate?
Kearns might be a nice woman when she's not trying to interrogate UPA
friendly potential server runners.
Rebecca Ore
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:41:04 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> wrote:
>
> >you don't hold a candle to what HipCrime knows do you?
> >
> Not unless you want to trigger a huge methane explosion.
>
> If HipCrime stuck to his original premise - a fight against
> censorship, then he would at least have some respect from me.
> But when he knowingly arms censors (see the messages below),
> it is obvious that his words are just so much flatulence.
Our HipCrime -- trying to get about anyone who looks at a despammer
cross-eyed to download that Trojan-infected (not really, just FUDding)
piece of Java bot (but who could tell since the source is encrypted)
down to play with.
Wonder how he's making out with Jim Cowlings?
Vulis Terminator
# Vulis Terminator <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> writes:
#
# >
# > HickClone or Vulis, whatever.
#
# Yoo vast ve, Dimitri?
Guy here.
And I'm quite surprised at how easily you were trolled.
VT
FS here.
I R A Darth Aggie
+ sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz (I R A Darth Aggie) writes:
+
+ > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:52:22 GMT,
+ > Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net>, in
+ > <m3901n1...@pyrophore.ogoense.net> wrote:
+ > + Go to Dejanews and look up Becky Kearns. I'm tempted to say that I
+ > + want the both of you to have a nice long date where you and she
+ > + discuss Usenet in a car that's run out of gas about 40 miles from the
+ > + nearest phone.
+ > Whoa, cowboy. What's omlette done to deserve that hideous fate?
+ Kearns might be a nice woman when she's not trying to interrogate UPA
+ friendly potential server runners.
I suppose...just as long as she doesn't start saying "you gotta break
a few heads to make an omlette"...
Rebecca Ore
Why should I believe you? Setting up a fake Guy Polis to fake stalk
him is in line with the sorts of trolls I've heard that Dimitri is
capable of.
Vulis Terminator
# > # Vulis Terminator <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> writes:
# > #
# > #
# > # Yoo vast ve, Dimitri?
# > Guy here.
# >
# > And I'm quite surprised at how easily you were trolled.
# >
#
# Why should I believe you? Setting up a fake Guy Polis to fake stalk
# him is in line with the sorts of trolls I've heard that Dimitri is
# capable of.
Again, considering how easily Vulis/Dickwipe has been trolling you,
how do I know you are capable of deciding even with a good answer? ;-)
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Spoiler...do not view the remainder of this post (this means you
Henrietta) if you want to avoid ugly old Vulis traffic.
(Rebecca would Vulis post this?)
(rev #2 of the VNA is shaping up nicely!)
1 From: d...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU (Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math)
2 Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
3 Subject: Re: Zdes' <cencored> duh, zdes' Vulisom pahnet
4 Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 02:55:44 GMT
5 Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
6
7 In article <askCpG...@netcom.com>, a...@netcom.com (Alex S. Katz) writes:
8 >In article <1994May7.1...@news.wrc.xerox.com>,
9 >Igor Belchinskiy <bil@burka> wrote:
10 >
11 >>Now, I wonder, what prevents them from dealing with Vulis in s.c.s -
12 >>should be fun. But of course, silent indignant masses - they need a leader
13 >
14 >If you keep de-throning mental cases you might get your medical
15 >lcense revoked by the board. If you're not a doctor -- never mind...
16 >
17 And second, they're not so stupid as not to realize that they'll be exposed
18 as liars, psyochpaths, sexual perverts, etc, as were Borya Beytsman, Misha
19 Verbitsky, Greg & Irochka Kosinovsky, and many others before them.
20
21 Live! From Usenet! It's "Family Feud"! In one corner, covered with shit
22 and menstruations, are the pathetic losers --- the Kosinovsky family. In
23 the other corner are the undefeated champions --- the Vulis family.
24
25 Here is your winner,
26 Dimitri Vulis
27 CUNY GC Math
28 D...@CUNYVMS1.BITNET D...@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU
"The Vulis family" champions at spewing "shit and menstruations"!!!
1 Path: ...!warwick!pipex!sunic!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!perun!simvlad
2 From: ro...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (Vixen SA)
3 Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
4 Subject: Re: UIUC Acceptable Use Policy (Was: Fallos and SCS)
5 Date: Sat, 14 May 94 22:33:44 EDT
6 Message-ID: <6u8fd3$6...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
7 Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk of Illinois at Urbana Champaigne
8 Sender: ro...@whitehouse.gov (Hillary Vrotdam Klintor)
9
10 Dear netters,
11
12 As you all know by now, our erstwhile user Irochka <kos...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
13 possesses an unusually large cunt which she uninhibitedly displays at the SCS
14 Conventions and which needs to be thoroughly fucked at least five times every
15 night. Obviously, her impotent husband "2-inch Greg" cannot satisfy Irochka,
16 even with his abnormally long tongue, so the Kosinovskys' family has imported
17 from Odessa a whole stable of studs with H1 work visas and at least 4" pricks
18 (considered very long for an Odessite), who fuck Irochka on alternate nights,
19 while Greg watches them and jerks off, as portrayed in Polanski's recent film
20 "Bitter Moon". Sometimes Igor Roshchin <rosh...@eehpx14.cen.uiuc.edu> fucks
21 Irochka's giant cunt, Alexander Bakharev <al...@polypro.me.uiuc.edu> fucks her
22 mouth, Pavel Slavin <pa...@ninja.life.uiuc.edu> screws her ass, Vadim Lvovich
23 <lvo...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> fucks her armpit and/or tits, or sometimes they'll
24 all rotate. Several of Irochka's fuckers have even posted articles onto SCS,
25 defending her charms and attacking her critics. No wonder Irochka herself no
26 longer has the time or inclination to read SCS! And what little she did post
27 invariably rotated around her vagina: her menstrual periods and Greg's habit
28 of eating her out, or her unimaginative sexual fantasies about mirrors in the
29 bedroom and vibrators. Unfortunately Irochka has tried to use her giant cunt
30 as a weapon, a shield of sorts, claiming that, because she possesses one, the
31 others had no right to insult her, even in self-defense, although she herself
32 had a right to flame them first and indeed utilized it constantly, viciously,
33 and without any provocation. Irochka's blatant hypocrisy was contrary to the
34 UIUC Acceptable Use Policy for Cunts described in RFC 822. So were Irochka's
35 commercial advertisements for "Conventions" asking for checks from attendees.
36 Recall that Irochka has been neither picked on nor discriminated against. On
37 the contrary, she has been treated fairly and flamed deservedly as would have
38 been any person irrespective of their gender abusing the net in the obnoxious
39 ways that Irochka had. Carrying a giant insatiable cunt between one's nicely
40 spread legs is not an excuse nor a mitigating circumstance for spreading lies
41 as wide as Irochka spreads her legs. If you don't want to be insulted, don't
42 start flaming others first, and you will be highly unlikely ever to be flamed
43 either. The aborigines like to say, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of
44 the kitchen. In Irochka's case, it's stay put in the kitchen, cooking borsch
45 for the next Convention. I remind its prospective attendees of UIUC safe sex
46 tip: to avoid contracting the whole bouquet of venereal diseases, wear three
47 or more layers of rubber condoms when you fuck Irochka at the SCS Convention.
Rebecca Ore
>
> Again, considering how easily Vulis/Dickwipe has been trolling you,
> how do I know you are capable of deciding even with a good answer? ;-)
>
Guy, I'm sure other people have told you this, but I think you're
nuts. There are some Panix subscribers who also possibly agree with
this post.
I can oppose what someone wants to do without being a frothing loon
about it.
The Avenger
Aggie) wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:44:00 GMT,
>The Avenger <pyter_t...@hotmail.com>, in
><38848a24...@news.cybercomm.net> wrote:
>+ On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:37:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
>+ wrote:
>+
>+ >The interesting thing I just realized is that you have the small systems
>+ >telling the large systems what to do.
>+ >
>+ >How can sysadmins of sites that are absolute zero's - be telling the big
>+ >sites what to do.
>+ >
>+ >It would be Rhode Island being able to dictate to NY or Cal what they
>+ >should be allowing their citizens to do.
>+ >
>+ >This is a tyranny of the minority.
>+ >
>+ >How many of these vigilantes are there 13- 20??
>+ >
>+ >and they are holding hundreds of thousands of people hostage to their
>+ >desires?
>+ >
>+ >You got to be kidding.
>+ until the people rally and put an end to this obvious mis-use of power
>+ then nothing will change my friend
>
>Most people don't care. Many of them will ask why *more* cancels
>aren't issued. I don't think you want the masses running things,
>anyway...
>
>James
>--
>Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
>The Bill of Rights is paid in Responsibilities - Jean McGuire
>To cure your perl CGI problems, please look at:
><url:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html>
as opposed to you and the netnazis?
PLONK!!!!!
Vulis Terminator
# > how do I know you are capable of deciding even with a good answer? ;-)
# >
#
# Guy, I'm sure other people have told you this, but I think you're nuts.
Please stop thinking about my nuts! Sheeesh!
----
Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
# There are some Panix subscribers who also possibly agree with
# this post.
<snicker> "...lurkers support me in email"???
You're probably right. I've seen EckKenny here recently.
Doesn't anyone appreciate the relative lack of flaming?
I'd be glad to start again. 8*)
----
Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
#
# I can oppose what someone wants to do without being a frothing loon
# about it.
Huh?
I said you were so gullible for an obvious troll.
What if I had posted your entire last post, and said ~'Hey, stop
posting my words out of context'? Your bullshit antenna would've
shot right up, right? So were was it for all those "omlette" posts?
Of course, it was obvious way before that: 'I've read 9000 posts in NANAU'
yet "omlette" (sic) is so clueless. One should learn from the past.
You humored "omlette 'you are NetCops, NetBullies, fascists, sue-able'"
for way too long. There should be a FAQ designed for such loons. Just
refer them to it. You just give them the attention they crave and feed from.
VT
You do remember compulsive-obsessive SP, right?
Rebecca Ore
>
> You do remember compulsive-obsessive SP, right?
Yes. That's why I don't like seeing someone flamed during a period as
tense as a wait on a UDP -- and by people who have no clues as to what
was going on, like you and Sam.
This past July, I met a woman who'd seen Stephen Boursy's *first* post
to ne.general regarding the rent strike. She said he was reasonable,
obviously a newbie (and as I've found out since, on disability for
depression). He got jumped. He jumped back. People tried to tell
him how to handle the flaming better, but unfortunately, he had a
history that made listening to them difficult. She didn't totally
defend Steve, but said, "They made him a monster."
SP also had psychological problems that were not his fault and people
here goaded him and counter trolled him -- I saw it. People made him
a monster.
And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
quickly with all the people bashing at him?
Spamster
Rebecca Ore wrote:
> And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
> his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
> to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
> he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
> the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
> all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
> quickly with all the people bashing at him?
>
Thank you for confirming that those who profess to do things for the good
of Usenet resort to the tactics you mentioned when someone offers an
opposing viewpoint! And you trust these people to do the right thing?
Misunderstanding my ass. They've show, and you've confirmed, their true
agenda.
Rebecca Ore
Nope. I don't believe this. Others with much more raucous criticisms
of what has been done have not have these problems. These were
misunderstandings. And have been admitted to and apologized for even
though omlette is still not sure what he thinks was going on or how to
react to us.
omlette
A real start would be to factually answer the questions one at a time in
my new post to the newsgroup 'any chance for some sunshine in this
place'
Vulis Terminator
#
# Yes. That's why I don't like seeing someone flamed during a period as
# tense as a wait on a UDP...
But at the same time...
A call for a UDP is like the moon luring the loonies.
This is obviously one of the loons.
And omlette not only shows up on radar, it also shows up with cancel problems,
including these strange deals:
# From: omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
# Subject: cmsg cancel <om6h4.4081$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
# Date: 18 Jan 2000 00:00:00 GMT
# Message-ID: <ri6y1.3022$cr2.1...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
# Control: cancel <om6h4.4081$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
# X-Trace: wagner.videotron.net 948238403 24.200.133.16
# (Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:33:23 EST)
# NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:33:23 EST
# Reply-To: omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
# Newsgroups: schule.test,wales.test,kiel.test,owl.test,mn.test,sat.test,
# uk.test,de.test,at.test,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
# X-Complaints-To: ab...@videotron.net
----
Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
# ...tense as a wait on a UDP -- and by people who have no clues
# as to what was going on, like you and Sam.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Be less vague, please.
----
Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
#
# This past July, I met a woman who'd seen Stephen Boursy's *first* post
# to ne.general regarding the rent strike. She said he was reasonable,
# obviously a newbie (and as I've found out since, on disability for
# depression). He got jumped. He jumped back. People tried to tell
# him how to handle the flaming better, but unfortunately, he had a
# history that made listening to them difficult. She didn't totally
# defend Steve, but said, "They made him a monster."
#
# SP also had psychological problems that were not his fault and people
# here goaded him and counter trolled him -- I saw it. People made him
# a monster.
And the exact same thing was said about Vulis.
It's a matter of not feeding the trolls. (I post less than you... ;-)
When Skirvin told me to knock it off in SP's case, I did.
# And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
# his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
# to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
# he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
# the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
# all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
# quickly with all the people bashing at him?
A troubling question is why can't you spot and not feed trolls?
Is your bullshit-antenna broken? Burnt?
How can you not tell:
omlette <omlette@nospam.w/oinions> wrote: [accumulated]
#
# After reading close to 9000+ posts in this newsgroup I think everyone
# posting here is a nut or zealot.
#
# I am new to these issues but I'm a fast learner.
#
# I sure hope my grandkids won't have to study CABAL history in school.
# When do the CABAL collar pins come out?
#
# so after the spam - you'll go after the binaries ?
#
# phone dialing .. ringing ... "hello cabal network security" .. let me
# talk to Tony .... I think I know where that very last spammmer in the
# world is hiding
#
# Sounds like YOU GUYS are the true cause of the increase in spams/day.
# I'd bet if you announced YOU were being UDPed spam/day would be ZERO.
#
# I guess (the self proclaimed) Self-righteous Bastard (I think it should
# be capitalized in this situation) Tim Skirvin has me on killfile
#
# There is something very wrong with these people - I just have a good
# feeling that they would all have had cubicles in the Gestapo's Internet
# Bureau
#
# My point being that they are self appointed NETCOPS. Patrolling the
# Usenet by their own self appointed authority. I think this is wrong and
# I will try to do what I can to stem this attempted takeover of the Net -
# starting with Usenet by these people.
#
# Why do I picture the Department of Justice investigating these self
# appointed NetCops for racketeering conspiracy, conspiracy to commit
# extortion, conspiracy to commit DOS and other various lawsuits for
# conspiracy to defraud the customers of @Home??
#
# What you are doing is Un-American/Un-Democratic and fascist in it's
# extreme. It is wrong and needs to be stopped.
#
# I would hope the US State Department and CIA are aware of what is
# obviously an attempt to interfer with the communications of a sovereign
# nation.
#
# The NSA doesn't need any ones help to supervise the net. I wouldn't
# think the NSA would be to happy with them interfering with the flow of
# information the NSA has been AUTHORIZED to look at. The cabal has not
# been AUTHORIZED to interfer with it. Why the NSA has not gotten upset
# you've got me.
#
# If there ever was an UDP there would be a very swift reaction from the
# Government - maybe even SWAT raids to gain control of the computers to
# end the UDP. I think there would be criminal charges.
#
# I don't think you are seeing what is really going on here - a group of
# self appointed ex-spam janitors have decided they want to own the usenet
# and become the usenet's Gestapo.
#
# You can't use the name Mein Kampf for your book title you know - it is
# already copywritted by some guy from the 40's
#
# Even Hitler got Austria and Czechoslavakia without cost in the begining
# of WWII - but then over reached when he took Poland ....
#
# They make nothing but denigrating and personal attacks on people they
# disagree with - sorta like the Nazi's and Fascist's tactics. I feel that
# they have caused most of the reactions (cancel attacks, excessive email
# spam, etc) themselves by their antagonistic, aggressive and holier than
# though attitudes. Any right thinking person would have to say there is
# something wrong - here.
#
# you don't hold a candle to what HipCrime knows do you?
#
# Rebecca: Why do you continue to tell everyone what I am thinking - you
# are far from the truth. You were the one that 'jumped' on me when I
# first posted - You set the tone for the others to follow.
VT
omlette
Even out of context these quotes are highly accurate as to the problem
here
How about a review of your posts? Or would you be too embarassed to post
them?
CJ Behnsen
> The kangaroo court will be along momentarily.
The dingo ate their babies. :)
--
CJ.B
eatsnackysmores
Bloxy's
>
>
>Rebecca Ore wrote:
>
>> And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
>>
>
>of Usenet resort to the tactics you mentioned when someone offers an
>opposing viewpoint! And you trust these people to do the right thing?
Nope, they belong in jail, for at least 20 years per nose.
You have not even BEGUN the process of discovery.
Bloxy's
>Vulis Terminator <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> writes:
>
>>
>> You do remember compulsive-obsessive SP, right?
>
>was going on, like you and Sam.
>
>
>
>And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
>his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
>to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
>he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
>the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
>all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
>quickly with all the people bashing at him?
At this point there IS a VALID case.
ALL you need is to organize information.
Their defense is already on record.
There is NOTHING they can add.
Their ENTIRE position is PUBLICLY known.
Time to file the case.
Bloxy's
>Spamster <uc...@ftc.gov> writes:
>
>> Rebecca Ore wrote:
>>
>> > his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
>> > to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
>> > he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
>> > the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
>> > all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
>> > quickly with all the people bashing at him?
>> >
>>
>> of Usenet resort to the tactics you mentioned when someone offers an
>> opposing viewpoint! And you trust these people to do the right thing?
>> agenda.
>
>of what has been done have not have these problems.
Does not mean ANYTHING.
> These were
>misunderstandings. And have been admitted to and apologized for
There is no appology.
This is a legal matter.
Harassment of someone, GENUINELY trying to determine the issues
of fact and investigating a possibility of a legal actions
are CLEARLY illegal.
And it is not just an ordinary harassment, but a harassment,
associated with a possible legal action.
BAD, BAD news.
Quite possibly a harassment of witnesses.
> even
>though omlette is still not sure what he thinks was going on or how to
>react to us.
Does not matter.
Bloxy's
>** bottom post below ** lol
>
>>
>> Spamster <uc...@ftc.gov> writes:
>>
>> > Rebecca Ore wrote:
>> >
>> > > And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
>> > > his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
>> > > to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
>> > > he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
>> > > the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
>> > > all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
>> > > quickly with all the people bashing at him?
>> > >
>> >
>> > Thank you for confirming that those who profess to do things for the good
>> > of Usenet resort to the tactics you mentioned when someone offers an
>> > opposing viewpoint! And you trust these people to do the right thing?
>> > Misunderstanding my ass. They've show, and you've confirmed, their true
>> > agenda.
>>
>> Nope. I don't believe this. Others with much more raucous criticisms
>> misunderstandings. And have been admitted to and apologized for even
>> though omlette is still not sure what he thinks was going on or how to
>> react to us.
>
>my new post to the newsgroup 'any chance for some sunshine in this
>place'
Just do your think. Remain centered.
Organize the evidence. You have about 70-90% of what you need
ALREADY and you have not even BEGUN talking about the discovery
process. You'd be pleasuntly surprised I bet.
Henrietta K. Thomas
<Geo...@Orwellian.Org> wrote:
A forgery intended to mailbomb omlette.
Note the *.test groups in the newsgroups line. Typical HipClone.
Note the Reply-To: line (omlette@nospam w/onions)
The forger hopes someone is running an autoresponder that
will send test-acks to omlette.
Note the X-Trace and Complaints-To: lines - videotron.net
But the Message-ID says @typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.
How come the Message-ID, X-Trace, and Complaints-To:
don't match?
Do you think omlette did this himself, or was it someone else?
Henrietta
Bloxy's
>Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
># Vulis Terminator <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> writes:
># > You do remember compulsive-obsessive SP, right?
># Yes. That's why I don't like seeing someone flamed during a period as
># tense as a wait on a UDP...
>But at the same time...
>A call for a UDP is like the moon luring the loonies.
>This is obviously one of the loons.
>And omlette not only shows up on radar, it also shows up with cancel problems,
>including these strange deals:
Uhu. And what is strange?
What is being fabricated here?
omlette
ever seen. Your are a pustual on the ass of life.
Here are some Vulis Terminator gems
> I do netcopping as a living.
> MORAL MORAL MORAL MORAL mormon moron spamity spam spam spam spam...
> Here Gunterberg, Gunterberg, Gunterberg... (a nice jewish name ;-)
> Oh, I get it...now you're a black person sock-puppet.
> Coming back to your building on Wednesday, "are you ready"?
> Everyone in your neighborhood will have their bell rung
> It's going to be one hellish year for you.
> Be careful what you wish for.
> You think I'm some sort of enemy troll?
> I simply feel it must be done.
> Stilted stalking.
> What 'till you see the new cover sheet on the Neighborhood Alert.
> Your co-op shares will be in jeopardy. ;-)
> V-Q day is coming.
> Blood hound closing in on animal.
> Where you planning to move to after the shit hits the fan this week? ;-)
> Shitty-shitty-gang-bang.
>You masturbate yourself with all your sock-puppets. ;-)
> Weren't there three wise men called Sophocles, Euripides, and Testicles?
> Sounds like a good way for hipcrime to get rid of a group.
Bloxy's
>You are without a doubt the most worthless self absorbed loser I have
>ever seen. Your are a pustual on the ass of life.
>
>
>Here are some Vulis Terminator gems
Hey, that is just a daily menu.
The spam fighters are ALL like this.
They think they are jusified to do ANYTHING to ANYBODY,
whom THEY classify as a "spammer" or even mentioning the word spam.
Hahahahahaha.
At this point, they are virtual loonatics.
Zombies, waling with their eyes blind and hands extended forward,
shifting from one leg to another.
omlette
>
....
> Do you think omlette did this himself, or was it someone else?
>
> Henrietta
What ashame that you could think I had any part in this. You obviously
haven't read the posts from Howard Knight or Chris Lewis - I have
pasted most of them here.
I would like some complete information on this episode from Howard
Knight and Chris Lewis.
It should be posted to this newsgroup - I believe they should already
know what happened in detail and make it available.
Subject:
Re: why is chris lewis cancelling omlette?
Date:
18 Jan 2000 22:54:10 GMT
From:
how...@primenet.com (Howard Knight)
Organization:
PrimeNet
Newsgroups:
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
References:
1 , 2
I R A Darth Aggie (sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz) writes:
: On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:01:00 GMT,
: Jim Shoe <club...@aol.com>, in
: <862gpi$mdu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> wrote:
:
: + Here are 10 cancels, and more are continuing to show up.
:
: They're not from Chris Lewis.
Uh, yes they are.
....
=====================================================================
Subject:
Re: harry -
Date:
19 Jan 2000 05:09:56 GMT
From:
cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Organization:
Despams R Us
Newsgroups:
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4
According to Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net>:
> Omlette, the accidents that happened to you were precisely that,
> accidents. Chris Lewis has apologized for the cancels. RoadRunner
> intervened in your behalf. Please consider stepping away from this
> for a day or so. I'd be happy to hear from you in email.
For the record: RR responded to one of the notifications I sent
saying that they didn't understand why I had targetted it, because
it didn't look like the usual rogue canceller/flooder spoor. At
the same time I was also getting email from David Ritz, Howard and at
least one other pointing out that my bot had misfired.
I have responded back to RR indicating that the cancels were in
error.
They didn't "intervene on his behalf", they emailed me for
clarification. Since it was obviously a mistake, I told them so,
and took steps to ensure it doesn't happen again.
Again my apologies.
> To everyone else: I've often wished we could have something like the
> Peace of the UDP where people were given breathing space to deal with
> their feelings over it. And in this case, the person was reposted,
> investigated, cancelled by accident -- any one of which actions can be
> upsetting.
Do convince IRSAgent of that.
--
Chris Lewis, 8M50-I
For more information on spam, see http://spam.abuse.net/spam
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
=================================================================
Henrietta K. Thomas wrote:
>
> In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, on 19 Jan 2000 08:14:41 GMT, Vulis Terminator
> <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> wrote:
>
Bloxy's
>Henrietta K. Thomas wrote:
>.....
>> Do you think omlette did this himself, or was it someone else?
>> Henrietta
>What ashame that you could think I had any part in this. You obviously
>haven't read the posts from Howard Knight or Chris Lewis - I have
>pasted most of them here.
>I would like some complete information on this episode from Howard
>Knight and Chris Lewis.
>It should be posted to this newsgroup - I believe they should already
>know what happened in detail and make it available.
You imagine how much they care about what you are asking for?
You'd be surprised.
>Subject:
>
> Re: why is chris lewis cancelling omlette?
> Date:
> 18 Jan 2000 22:54:10 GMT
> From:
> how...@primenet.com (Howard Knight)
> Organization:
> PrimeNet
> Newsgroups:
> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
> References:
> 1 , 2
>
>I R A Darth Aggie (sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz) writes:
>: On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:01:00 GMT,
>: Jim Shoe <club...@aol.com>, in
>: <862gpi$mdu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> wrote:
>:
>: + Here are 10 cancels, and more are continuing to show up.
>:
>: They're not from Chris Lewis.
>
>Uh, yes they are.
>.....
Spamster
Rebecca Ore wrote:
> Spamster <uc...@ftc.gov> writes:
>
> > Rebecca Ore wrote:
> >
> > > And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
> > > his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
> > > to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
> > > he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
> > > the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
> > > all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
> > > quickly with all the people bashing at him?
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for confirming that those who profess to do things for the good
> > of Usenet resort to the tactics you mentioned when someone offers an
> > opposing viewpoint! And you trust these people to do the right thing?
> > Misunderstanding my ass. They've show, and you've confirmed, their true
> > agenda.
>
> Nope. I don't believe this. Others with much more raucous criticisms
> of what has been done have not have these problems. These were
> misunderstandings. And have been admitted to and apologized for even
> though omlette is still not sure what he thinks was going on or how to
> react to us.
>
If I believe, and I don't really, that these were misunderstandings, it still
does not change the fact that some people here will do the things you
mentioned.
You seem to be one of the very few calm and level headed people here, but I
believe you are putting your trust in the wrong people. The very same people
who will port scan and cancel posts without thinking it through. How many other
people are having these things done to them and don't know it?
Flaagg
In article <863g9m$1d$1...@nntpd.usenet-performance-art.o>, Sergi
<se...@databasix.com> says...
>I was like "Oh my GOD! No WAY!" And so then Knot Hym
><woo...@SPAMFILTER.west.net> totally goes like:
>
>
>Yeah, really. Cut it out, d00d.
>
>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:31:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>tell me what you suggest?
>>>
>>
>>Well for openers, you might listen for a change and not top post. It
>>is rude and inconsiderate.
>>woo...@FILTERwest.net
>>Remove the Spam blocker to reply
--
Aaron M. Henne -mhm 9x2-
omlette
>
> In article <Bvhh4.4210$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> wrote:
> >Henrietta K. Thomas wrote:
>
> >.....
>
> >> Do you think omlette did this himself, or was it someone else?
>
> >> Henrietta
>
> >What ashame that you could think I had any part in this. You obviously
> >haven't read the posts from Howard Knight or Chris Lewis - I have
> >pasted most of them here.
>
> >I would like some complete information on this episode from Howard
> >Knight and Chris Lewis.
>
> >It should be posted to this newsgroup - I believe they should already
> >know what happened in detail and make it available.
>
> You imagine how much they care about what you are asking for?
> You'd be surprised.
No I can't fool myself - I don't think they have the decency to converse
with me over what they have done. Though I think it would be the
honorable thing to do.
With this said - Is what HipCrime and the HipClones do in 'rogue
cancels' illegal or raise any civil repercussions?
Or is it just a potential violation of the TOS and AUP of the ISP's they
go through? and all that could really happen is losing an Internet
account?
Could a potential peace be made between the Cabal and HipCrime or are
there circumstances outstanding that would prevent it even from
consideration? (without considering the desire of either party to even
want to do so) - technically is it possible?
Would a legal document be required to validate a reconciliation?
Or as in the UDP cancels just the server/sysadmins/ISP's going along
with it?
Rebecca Ore
> Henrietta K. Thomas wrote:
> >
> ....
>
> > Do you think omlette did this himself, or was it someone else?
> >
> > Henrietta
>
> What ashame that you could think I had any part in this. You obviously
> haven't read the posts from Howard Knight or Chris Lewis - I have
> pasted most of them here.
>
> I would like some complete information on this episode from Howard
> Knight and Chris Lewis.
I saw Chris's more complete explanation posted here this a.m.
>
> It should be posted to this newsgroup - I believe they should already
> know what happened in detail and make it available.
>
>
> Subject:
>
> Re: why is chris lewis cancelling omlette?
> Date:
> 18 Jan 2000 22:54:10 GMT
> From:
> how...@primenet.com (Howard Knight)
(Snips, re the Chris Lewis cancels)
>
> Uh, yes they are.
Howard knows how to read headers better than the others.
Is this not an apology? It's the second one.
<Snips>
Spamster
Bloxy's wrote:
> In article <388556EF...@ftc.gov>, Spamster <uc...@ftc.gov> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Rebecca Ore wrote:
> >
> >> And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
> >> his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
> >> to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
> >> he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
> >> the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
> >> all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
> >> quickly with all the people bashing at him?
> >>
> >
> >Thank you for confirming that those who profess to do things for the good
> >of Usenet resort to the tactics you mentioned when someone offers an
> >opposing viewpoint! And you trust these people to do the right thing?
>
> Nope, they belong in jail, for at least 20 years per nose.
No, they just need their 'powers' revoked.
>
> You have not even BEGUN the process of discovery.
>
Don't assume just because I don't post a lot that I don't know what's going
on. I had my first article cancelled, and complaint sent to my former ISP, by
Chris Lewis about 3 years ago.
barbara@.bookpro.com
On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:49:56 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
wrote:
<snip>
>With this said - Is what HipCrime and the HipClones do in 'rogue
>cancels' illegal or raise any civil repercussions?
>
>Or is it just a potential violation of the TOS and AUP of the ISP's they
>go through? and all that could really happen is losing an Internet
>account?
>
>Could a potential peace be made between the Cabal and HipCrime or are
>there circumstances outstanding that would prevent it even from
>consideration? (without considering the desire of either party to even
>want to do so) - technically is it possible?
>
>Would a legal document be required to validate a reconciliation?
>Or as in the UDP cancels just the server/sysadmins/ISP's going along
>with it?
You haven't done your homework. This is what the archives are for.
Go to Deja or use Jeremy's search form at:
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html
You can probably limit your search to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.
Read up on Hipcrime and rogue cancels. When you have more
information, it will be easier to discuss this with you.
BW
Rebecca Ore
(snips)
> You seem to be one of the very few calm and level headed people
> here, but I believe you are putting your trust in the wrong
> people. The very same people who will port scan and cancel posts
> without thinking it through. How many other people are having these
> things done to them and don't know it?
Hey, I've miscancelled. I've also been miscancelled. I guess I
understand from the inside how this happens occasionally and I don't
have the same reaction to it that I do to erroneous netcopping (which
has also happened to me) or deliberate rogue cancels based on what I
was saying (again, something that has happened to me).
People on both sides (all sides) are looking for open relaying servers
for all sorts of reasons.
omlette
No - it isn't - it looks like an admission that he got caught cancelling
my posts by a vigilant ISP. What would have happened if they weren't
caught and questioned?
I don't see any post to ME apologizing or telling me what I have asked
to know.
Besides the questions in the thread 'any chance for some sunshine in
this place?' I want to know the EXACT mechanism involved in why my posts
had to be removed from a 'trigger'? who set this trigger and why was it
set?
=============================================================
ect:
Re: why is chris lewis cancelling omlette?
Date:
19 Jan 2000 02:50:04 GMT
From:
cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Organization:
Despams R Us
Newsgroups:
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
References:
1
According to Jim Shoe <club...@aol.com>:
> Here are 10 cancels, and more are continuing to show up.
DtR is rather paranoid about cancels coming from the 24.* netblock
because there have been at least 6 rogue cancel attacks
coming from there since the announcement of the UDP. And of course
we're going through another set of rogue cancels right now (notice
all of the REPOSTS).
As such, DtR has been automatically assuming that any cancels in
nanau from a 24.* IP is the sign of another attack of this
nature, and DtR tells Buffy the Vampire Slayer to go into a very
aggressive mode where any cancels from that IP gets resurrected,
and any other article from that IP gets cancelled (those familiar
with Hipcrime will understand why).
This means, unfortunately, that anyone on 24.* who cancels their own
posting (not aware that DtR would repost it in any case) triggers
DtR's rabid sister Buffy, and all heck breaks loose.
I got several email notifications of this misfire, including one
from RR Security (on the ball as usual of late) - thank you all
for bringing DtR's mistake to my attention.
My apologies for this situation. The IP address (24.25.132.5) has
been removed from the trigger. DtR's mistake has already been
explained to Road Runner Security, so, nothing else should happen.
However, for anyone on a 24.*, please don't even try to cancel your
own posting in nanau, Buffy is still watching.
omlette
Do you have any posts from that time? What was his explanation?
Can you read the headers from my cancellations and tell me what they
really show?
Jeremy
> really? How many? How come I can't see this?
>
> I am speaking out against the UDP so who would have reason to cancel me
> in a newsgroup that can't have cancels?
You don't understand. Pretty much everything in this newsgroup gets
cancelled. Don't take it too personally.
--
Jeremy ( jer...@exit109.com | bo...@netscum.dk )
Belinda
barbara@.bookpro.com wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:10:52 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
>wrote:
>
>>what is with the cancel? who is Hipcrime and clewis?
>
>Hipcrime is another topic for you to search Deja for.
Here's some additional info on Hipcrime:
http://extra.newsguy.com/~rchason/
http://www.thegrid.net/jabberwock/hipcrime.txt
--
Belinda
omlette
trolling me now?
Jeremy wrote:
>
> omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> wrote:
>
> > really? How many? How come I can't see this?
> >
> > I am speaking out against the UDP so who would have reason to cancel me
> > in a newsgroup that can't have cancels?
>
> You don't understand. Pretty much everything in this newsgroup gets
> cancelled. Don't take it too personally.
Does Chris Lewis cancel your posts?
omlette
I R A Darth Aggie
Flaagg <mhm9x2@REMOVE_TO_EMAILflonk.org>, in
<MPG.12ef4fe1e...@news.navicom.net> wrote:
M0r0nz.
James
+ I agree with this post.
+
+ In article <863g9m$1d$1...@nntpd.usenet-performance-art.o>, Sergi
+ <se...@databasix.com> says...
+
+ >I was like "Oh my GOD! No WAY!" And so then Knot Hym
+ ><woo...@SPAMFILTER.west.net> totally goes like:
+ >
+ >
+ >Yeah, really. Cut it out, d00d.
+ >
+ >>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:31:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
+ >>wrote:
+ >>
+ >>>tell me what you suggest?
+ >>>
+ >>
+ >>Well for openers, you might listen for a change and not top post. It
+ >>is rude and inconsiderate.
+ >>woo...@FILTERwest.net
+ >>Remove the Spam blocker to reply
+
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
The Bill of Rights is paid in Responsibilities - Jean McGuire
To cure your perl CGI problems, please look at:
<url:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html>
I R A Darth Aggie
The Avenger <pyter_t...@hotmail.com>, in
<388534b4...@news.cybercomm.net> wrote:
+ On 18 Jan 2000 16:52:58 GMT, sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz (I R A Darth
+ Aggie) wrote:
+ >Most people don't care. Many of them will ask why *more* cancels
+ >aren't issued. I don't think you want the masses running things,
+ >anyway...
+ as opposed to you and the netnazis?
This from someone who proposed a UDP? *snork*
Go look up the origins of the word ostracize. Oh, hell, I'll save you
the trouble. It comes from the ancient Greek word for pot shard. They'd
write on the pot shards and cast a ballot.
The winner was forced to leave town. But welcome to pure democracy
in action.
+ PLONK!!!!!
You own Cameron another $1. You owe him about $10 bucks, don't you?
pay up, you welcher.
James
Chris Lewis
> Rebecca Ore wrote:
> > Is this not an apology? It's the second one.
> No - it isn't - it looks like an admission that he got caught cancelling
> my posts by a vigilant ISP. What would have happened if they weren't
> caught and questioned?
I may not have noticed it was malfunctioning.
The bot runs unattended, and I do not examine everything it does - largely
because when hipcrime or IRSAgent lets fly with rogue cancels, we're talking
thousands or tens of thousands, and I can't visually inspect them all.
I often rely on others to report it to me when it misfires. People
such as David Ritz are quite good at finding the mistakes and letting me
know - in this case, David, Howard, RR abuse, and at least one other
person had emailed me, and I took immediate steps to prevent it happening
any more, and responded to the thread regarding the subject here with
an explanation and apology.
> I don't see any post to ME apologizing or telling me what I have asked
> to know.
If you had an email address I could have e-mailed to, I would have done
so. Failing that, I thought that the responses that I had already made
would be sufficient. Apparently I was mistaken.
So: I apologize for the bot's screwup. It was a mistake, and I've taken
steps to ensure that it doesn't happen again.
> Besides the questions in the thread 'any chance for some sunshine in
> this place?' I want to know the EXACT mechanism involved in why my posts
> had to be removed from a 'trigger'? who set this trigger and why was it
> set?
You've included the exact mechanism from one of my previous postings
below - in short: due to the ongoing rogue cancel attacks coming from
the 24.* netblock, DtR assumed _any_ cancel from 24.* in nanau to be
a sign of another hipcrime-like attack in progress. When it detected
one, it configured itself to suppress _everything_ from that location.
You had made a posting to nanau, and then subsequently cancelled it
yourself. Since the latter was from 24.*, DtR went into full-suppress
mode, and cancelled everything else.
I've removed that, so it won't happen again. If I hadn't done that, DtR
is programmed to automatically disable suppression mode in 2 days, and
it would have stopped on its own. But obviously, it was better to
intervene and fix it manually.
I assure you, this was a mistake on my part, no others were involved.
Again, my apologies.
> =============================================================
> ect:
> Re: why is chris lewis cancelling omlette?
> Date:
> 19 Jan 2000 02:50:04 GMT
> From:
> cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Jeremy
> No I can't fool myself - I don't think they have the decency to converse
> with me over what they have done. Though I think it would be the
> honorable thing to do.
Chris already posted his explanation and apology. What more did you
want?
> With this said - Is what HipCrime and the HipClones do in 'rogue
> cancels' illegal or raise any civil repercussions?
No; the cancelling is not illegal. HipCrime's actions in flooding could
rise to the level of a denial of service attack, of course, and there
are other things being done, but the cancelling itself is not against
the law.
> Could a potential peace be made between the Cabal and HipCrime or are
> there circumstances outstanding that would prevent it even from
> consideration? (without considering the desire of either party to even
> want to do so) - technically is it possible?
Sure -- HipCrime stops attacking the network, and all will be well. But,
he doesn't want to do that, because the network has not been destroyed,
which is his goal.
I R A Darth Aggie
Jeremy <bo...@netscum.dk>, in
<864kvi$9ur$1...@s00perNooZ.com> wrote:
+ omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> wrote:
+
+ > No I can't fool myself - I don't think they have the decency to converse
+ > with me over what they have done. Though I think it would be the
+ > honorable thing to do.
+
+ Chris already posted his explanation and apology. What more did you
+ want?
Blood, probably. And in the spirit of clearing the air, I had a major
<AOL></AOL> moment when I mis-identified the cancels as *NOT* being
from CL. I hereby await the Kaffeine Kangaroo Kourt to take me away
for not having a high enough blood kaffeine level.
[and I stayed up waaaaaay too late kicking quakeII butt, so I may not
be in my best form today...]
+ > Could a potential peace be made between the Cabal and HipCrime or are
+ > there circumstances outstanding that would prevent it even from
+ > consideration? (without considering the desire of either party to even
+ > want to do so) - technically is it possible?
+ Sure -- HipCrime stops attacking the network, and all will be well. But,
+ he doesn't want to do that, because the network has not been destroyed,
+ which is his goal.
And I'd have to stop asking for his head on a platter?
Ok.
I'll settle for it adorning a pike.
Jeremy
> Jeremy - sorry about this next statement but are you a little kid just
> trolling me now?
Um, no. I was serious. Pretty much everything posted in this group
gets cancelled, by someone or other. It's gotten so old, it hardly
raises an eyebrow anymore.
>> You don't understand. Pretty much everything in this newsgroup gets
>> cancelled. Don't take it too personally.
>
> Does Chris Lewis cancel your posts?
I don't know. He may have at some point. But other people certainly
have, and do quite often, here.
Leo G Simonetta
<reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
>
>Wonder how he's making out with Jim Cowlings?
You know this is a mental picture I coulda lived the
rest of my life without.
Thanks, Rebecca. I gotta go scrub my brain with brillo
not.
--
Leo G. Simonetta
lsimo...@my-dejanews.com
Self-Appointed, Curmudgeonly Defenders of Usenet
Jeremy
> I don't see any post to ME apologizing or telling me what I have asked
> to know.
What are you talking about, 'post to ME'?? You haven't given out your
email address!
He posted an apology. If you want to complain that he didn't contact
you, then you're proving yourself to be a total kook, because there *is*
no way to contact you directly.
Spamster
omlette wrote:
No I don't, and when I emailed him (twice) I got no replies.
>
> Can you read the headers from my cancellations and tell me what they
> really show?
No, my server doesn't let me access control.cancel.
Rebecca Ore
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:43:55 GMT, Rebecca Ore
> <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
> >
> >Wonder how he's making out with Jim Cowlings?
>
> You know this is a mental picture I coulda lived the
> rest of my life without.
>
> Thanks, Rebecca. I gotta go scrub my brain with brillo
> not.
<Innocent blink> HipCrime and Cowlings making out?
Sorry. I suggest you not think about Howard's graphic of Tom Gartman
and HipCrime in relationship with any mental image you have of Jim
Cowlings. <evil grin>
Flaagg
In article <slrn88bhmn....@gurcragntba.pbz>, I R A Darth
Aggie <sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz> says...
--
omlette
Even out of context these quotes are highly accurate as to the problem
here
How about a review of your posts? Or would you be too embarassed to post
them?
Vulis Terminator wrote:
>
> Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
> # Vulis Terminator <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> writes:
> #
> # >
> # > You do remember compulsive-obsessive SP, right?
> #
> # Yes. That's why I don't like seeing someone flamed during a period as
> # tense as a wait on a UDP...
>
> But at the same time...
>
> A call for a UDP is like the moon luring the loonies.
>
> This is obviously one of the loons.
>
> And omlette not only shows up on radar, it also shows up with cancel problems,
> including these strange deals:
>
> # From: omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
> # Subject: cmsg cancel <om6h4.4081$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
> # Date: 18 Jan 2000 00:00:00 GMT
> # Message-ID: <ri6y1.3022$cr2.1...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
> # Control: cancel <om6h4.4081$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
> # X-Trace: wagner.videotron.net 948238403 24.200.133.16
> # (Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:33:23 EST)
> # NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:33:23 EST
> # Reply-To: omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
> # Newsgroups: schule.test,wales.test,kiel.test,owl.test,mn.test,sat.test,
> # uk.test,de.test,at.test,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
> # X-Complaints-To: ab...@videotron.net
>
> ----
>
> Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
> # ...tense as a wait on a UDP -- and by people who have no clues
> # as to what was going on, like you and Sam.
>
> I have no idea what you are trying to say. Be less vague, please.
>
> ----
>
> Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
> #
> # This past July, I met a woman who'd seen Stephen Boursy's *first* post
> # to ne.general regarding the rent strike. She said he was reasonable,
> # obviously a newbie (and as I've found out since, on disability for
> # depression). He got jumped. He jumped back. People tried to tell
> # him how to handle the flaming better, but unfortunately, he had a
> # history that made listening to them difficult. She didn't totally
> # defend Steve, but said, "They made him a monster."
> #
> # SP also had psychological problems that were not his fault and people
> # here goaded him and counter trolled him -- I saw it. People made him
> # a monster.
>
> And the exact same thing was said about Vulis.
>
> It's a matter of not feeding the trolls. (I post less than you... ;-)
>
> When Skirvin told me to knock it off in SP's case, I did.
>
> # And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
> # his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
> # to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
> # he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
> # the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
> # all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
> # quickly with all the people bashing at him?
>
> A troubling question is why can't you spot and not feed trolls?
>
> Is your bullshit-antenna broken? Burnt?
>
> How can you not tell:
>
> omlette <omlette@nospam.w/oinions> wrote: [accumulated]
> #
> # After reading close to 9000+ posts in this newsgroup I think everyone
> # posting here is a nut or zealot.
> #
> # I am new to these issues but I'm a fast learner.
> #
> # I sure hope my grandkids won't have to study CABAL history in school.
> # When do the CABAL collar pins come out?
> #
> # so after the spam - you'll go after the binaries ?
> #
> # phone dialing .. ringing ... "hello cabal network security" .. let me
> # talk to Tony .... I think I know where that very last spammmer in the
> # world is hiding
> #
> # Sounds like YOU GUYS are the true cause of the increase in spams/day.
> # I'd bet if you announced YOU were being UDPed spam/day would be ZERO.
> #
> # I guess (the self proclaimed) Self-righteous Bastard (I think it should
> # be capitalized in this situation) Tim Skirvin has me on killfile
> #
> # There is something very wrong with these people - I just have a good
> # feeling that they would all have had cubicles in the Gestapo's Internet
> # Bureau
> #
> # My point being that they are self appointed NETCOPS. Patrolling the
> # Usenet by their own self appointed authority. I think this is wrong and
> # I will try to do what I can to stem this attempted takeover of the Net -
> # starting with Usenet by these people.
> #
> # Why do I picture the Department of Justice investigating these self
> # appointed NetCops for racketeering conspiracy, conspiracy to commit
> # extortion, conspiracy to commit DOS and other various lawsuits for
> # conspiracy to defraud the customers of @Home??
> #
> # What you are doing is Un-American/Un-Democratic and fascist in it's
> # extreme. It is wrong and needs to be stopped.
> #
> # I would hope the US State Department and CIA are aware of what is
> # obviously an attempt to interfer with the communications of a sovereign
> # nation.
> #
> # The NSA doesn't need any ones help to supervise the net. I wouldn't
> # think the NSA would be to happy with them interfering with the flow of
> # information the NSA has been AUTHORIZED to look at. The cabal has not
> # been AUTHORIZED to interfer with it. Why the NSA has not gotten upset
> # you've got me.
> #
> # If there ever was an UDP there would be a very swift reaction from the
> # Government - maybe even SWAT raids to gain control of the computers to
> # end the UDP. I think there would be criminal charges.
> #
> # I don't think you are seeing what is really going on here - a group of
> # self appointed ex-spam janitors have decided they want to own the usenet
> # and become the usenet's Gestapo.
> #
> # You can't use the name Mein Kampf for your book title you know - it is
> # already copywritted by some guy from the 40's
> #
> # Even Hitler got Austria and Czechoslavakia without cost in the begining
> # of WWII - but then over reached when he took Poland ....
> #
> # They make nothing but denigrating and personal attacks on people they
> # disagree with - sorta like the Nazi's and Fascist's tactics. I feel that
> # they have caused most of the reactions (cancel attacks, excessive email
> # spam, etc) themselves by their antagonistic, aggressive and holier than
> # though attitudes. Any right thinking person would have to say there is
> # something wrong - here.
> #
> # you don't hold a candle to what HipCrime knows do you?
> #
> # Rebecca: Why do you continue to tell everyone what I am thinking - you
> # are far from the truth. You were the one that 'jumped' on me when I
> # first posted - You set the tone for the others to follow.
>
> VT
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I R A Darth Aggie
Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net>, in
<m3puuy3...@pyrophore.ogoense.net> wrote:
+ Leo G Simonetta <lsimo...@my-dejanews.com> writes:
+
+ > On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:43:55 GMT, Rebecca Ore
+ > <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
+ > >Wonder how he's making out with Jim Cowlings?
+ > You know this is a mental picture I coulda lived the
+ > rest of my life without.
+ > Thanks, Rebecca. I gotta go scrub my brain with brillo
+ > not.
+ <Innocent blink> HipCrime and Cowlings making out?
Eeeewwwwwwwwwww...
+ Sorry. I suggest you not think about Howard's graphic of Tom Gartman
+ and HipCrime in relationship with any mental image you have of Jim
+ Cowlings. <evil grin>
Ok, that's it. Clue-by-four? check. Rebecca, this is going to hurt
me more than its going to hurt you. No, I'm not going to lie...it's
going to hurt you more than it's going to hurt me...*wham*wham*wham*
STOP*wham*wham*wham*DOING*wham*wham*wham*THAT*wham*wham*wham*.
*whew* Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
I R A Darth Aggie
Anapiel <hsi...@rocketmail.com>, in
<864vsk$7vp$1...@news.datasync.com> wrote:
Yeah, you tell him!
+ Posting on top is 1A/\/\3.
+
+ Flaagg wrote in message ...
+ >I agree with this post, too.
+ >
+ >In article <slrn88bhmn....@gurcragntba.pbz>, I R A Darth
+ >Aggie <sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz> says...
+ >
+ >>On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:37:27 -0800,
+ >>Flaagg <mhm9x2@REMOVE_TO_EMAILflonk.org>, in
+ >><MPG.12ef4fe1e...@news.navicom.net> wrote:
+ >>
+ >>M0r0nz.
+ >>
+ >>James
+ >>
+ >>+ I agree with this post.
+ >>+
+ >>+ In article <863g9m$1d$1...@nntpd.usenet-performance-art.o>, Sergi
+ >>+ <se...@databasix.com> says...
+ >>+
+ >>+ >I was like "Oh my GOD! No WAY!" And so then Knot Hym
+ >>+ ><woo...@SPAMFILTER.west.net> totally goes like:
+ >>+ >
+ >>+ >
+ >>+ >Yeah, really. Cut it out, d00d.
+ >>+ >
+ >>+ >>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:31:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
+ >>+ >>wrote:
+ >>+ >>
+ >>+ >>>tell me what you suggest?
+ >>+ >>>
+ >>+ >>
+ >>+ >>Well for openers, you might listen for a change and not top post. It
+ >>+ >>is rude and inconsiderate.
+ >>+ >>woo...@FILTERwest.net
+ >>+ >>Remove the Spam blocker to reply
+ >
+ >--
+ >Aaron M. Henne -mhm 9x2-
+ >
+ >http://www.flonk.org/mhm9x2
+ >
+ >http://www.navicom.net/~flaagg
+
+
omlette
other than a flame from ole Jeremy*)
Jeremy wrote:
>
> omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> wrote:
>
> > No I can't fool myself - I don't think they have the decency to converse
> > with me over what they have done. Though I think it would be the
> > honorable thing to do.
>
> Chris already posted his explanation and apology. What more did you
> want?
>
> > With this said - Is what HipCrime and the HipClones do in 'rogue
> > cancels' illegal or raise any civil repercussions?
>
> No; the cancelling is not illegal. HipCrime's actions in flooding could
> rise to the level of a denial of service attack, of course, and there
> are other things being done, but the cancelling itself is not against
> the law.
>
> > Could a potential peace be made between the Cabal and HipCrime or are
> > there circumstances outstanding that would prevent it even from
> > consideration? (without considering the desire of either party to even
> > want to do so) - technically is it possible?
>
> Sure -- HipCrime stops attacking the network, and all will be well. But,
> he doesn't want to do that, because the network has not been destroyed,
> which is his goal.
I R A Darth Aggie
Flaagg <mhm9x2@REMOVE_TO_EMAILflonk.org>, in
<MPG.12ef9d559...@news.navicom.net> wrote:
I have a question for you full time meowers...was it in good taste to
attempt to start a meow cascade in the middle of a pre-UDP flame fest?
James
--
I R A Darth Aggie
for this one...
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James
omlette
>
> According to omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>:
> > Rebecca Ore wrote:
>
> > No - it isn't - it looks like an admission that he got caught
> > cancelling my posts by a vigilant ISP. What would have happened if
> > they weren't caught and questioned?
>
>
> The bot runs unattended, and I do not examine everything it does -
> largely because when hipcrime or IRSAgent lets fly with rogue cancels, > we're talking thousands or tens of thousands, and I can't visually
> inspect them all.
I can understand this - sometimes things can indeed get pressured when
HipCrime or IRSAgent let fly with mass cancels.
> I often rely on others to report it to me when it misfires. People
> such as David Ritz are quite good at finding the mistakes and letting
> me know - in this case, David, Howard, RR abuse, and at least one
> other
abuse@RR is certainly on the ball. Their network has been almost
flawless for the almost 2 months I have had access to it here.
> person had emailed me, and I took immediate steps to prevent it
> happening any more, and responded to the thread regarding the subject
> here with an explanation and apology.
>
> > I don't see any post to ME apologizing or telling me what I have
> > asked to know.
>
> If you had an email address I could have e-mailed to, I would have
> done
This isn't my computer and didn't want to subject the owner to any email
spam or other email as a result of posting in this newsgroup.
> so. Failing that, I thought that the responses that I had already
> made would be sufficient. Apparently I was mistaken.
>
> So: I apologize for the bot's screwup. It was a mistake, and I've
> taken steps to ensure that it doesn't happen again.
okay, thank you for apologizing
> > Besides the questions in the thread 'any chance for some sunshine in
> > this place?' I want to know the EXACT mechanism involved in why my
> > posts had to be removed from a 'trigger'? who set this trigger and
> > why was it set?
>
> You've included the exact mechanism from one of my previous postings
> below - in short: due to the ongoing rogue cancel attacks coming from
> the 24.* netblock, DtR assumed _any_ cancel from 24.* in nanau to be
> a sign of another hipcrime-like attack in progress. When it detected
> one, it configured itself to suppress _everything_ from that location.
>
> You had made a posting to nanau, and then subsequently cancelled it
> yourself. Since the latter was from 24.*, DtR went into full-suppress
> mode, and cancelled everything else.
Yes, I understand the mechanism of your bot - I'm sorry for setting it
off by my 3 cancels on the day I first posted.
> I've removed that, so it won't happen again. If I hadn't done that,
> DtR is programmed to automatically disable suppression mode in 2 days,
> and it would have stopped on its own. But obviously, it was better to
> intervene and fix it manually.
>
> I assure you, this was a mistake on my part, no others were involved.
>
> Again, my apologies.
Again, Thank You.
If you and the others mentioned below wouldn't mind answering some
questions I think you might see where I'm going now.
Would you like to see the Usenet develop into the absolute premier and
desired information location on the Internet? Without the rogue cancels?
Without the types of problems so apparent in new.admin.net-abuse.usenet?
As well as without the need for UDP's and the associated potential
problems it harbours? As well as correcting some major flaws in
operational design?
Do you feel the present state of Usenet is the way it should really be?
Would you be up to some kind of reconcilation with HipCrime?
Would HipCrime be up to some kind of reconcilation with you?
Would you be up to some kind of reconciliation with Bloxy's?
Would Bloxy's be up to some kind of reconciliation with you?
All might have to compromise but all could get most of what each wants
and '$' to compensate for the minimal parts compromised away.
I have a plan in mind that could possible work.
Are any of the parties interested?
Flaagg
cascade in good taste?
In article <slrn88c2r5....@gurcragntba.pbz>, I R A Darth
Aggie <sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz> says...
--
Aaron M. Henne -mhm 9x2-
omlette
Sergi
Darth Aggie) totally goes like:
>On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:07:55 -0800,
>Flaagg <mhm9x2@REMOVE_TO_EMAILflonk.org>, in
><MPG.12ef9d559...@news.navicom.net> wrote:
>
>I have a question for you full time meowers...was it in good taste to
>attempt to start a meow cascade in the middle of a pre-UDP flame fest?
>
>James
I can't say that good taste has ever really been an issue for me.
--
Sergi, KotAGoR XXX
"I know you can read my thoughts, boy. MEOW meow meow meow MEOW meow
meow meow MEOW meow meow meow MEOW meow meow meow."
-Homer Simpson
Jeremy
> I don't see any post to ME apologizing or telling me what I have asked
> to know.
What are you talking about, 'post to ME'?? You haven't given out your
email address!
He posted an apology. If you want to complain that he didn't contact
you, then you're proving yourself to be a total kook, because there *is*
no way to contact you directly.
--
Jeremy ( jer...@exit109.com | bo...@netscum.dk )
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Anapiel
Flaagg wrote in message ...
>I agree with this post, too.
>
>In article <slrn88bhmn....@gurcragntba.pbz>, I R A Darth
>Aggie <sy_n...@gurcragntba.pbz> says...
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:37:27 -0800,
>>Flaagg <mhm9x2@REMOVE_TO_EMAILflonk.org>, in
>><MPG.12ef4fe1e...@news.navicom.net> wrote:
>>
>>M0r0nz.
>>
>>James
>>
>>+ I agree with this post.
>>+
>>+ In article <863g9m$1d$1...@nntpd.usenet-performance-art.o>, Sergi
>>+ <se...@databasix.com> says...
>>+
>>+ >I was like "Oh my GOD! No WAY!" And so then Knot Hym
>>+ ><woo...@SPAMFILTER.west.net> totally goes like:
>>+ >
>>+ >
>>+ >Yeah, really. Cut it out, d00d.
>>+ >
>>+ >>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:31:33 -0500, omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
>>+ >>wrote:
>>+ >>
>>+ >>>tell me what you suggest?
>>+ >>>
>>+ >>
>>+ >>Well for openers, you might listen for a change and not top post. It
>>+ >>is rude and inconsiderate.
>>+ >>woo...@FILTERwest.net
>>+ >>Remove the Spam blocker to reply
>
>--
>Aaron M. Henne -mhm 9x2-
>
>http://www.flonk.org/mhm9x2
>
>http://www.navicom.net/~flaagg
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Chris Lewis
> Chris Lewis wrote:
> > I often rely on others to report it to me when it misfires. People
> > such as David Ritz are quite good at finding the mistakes and letting
> > me know - in this case, David, Howard, RR abuse, and at least one
> > other
> abuse@RR is certainly on the ball. Their network has been almost
> flawless for the almost 2 months I have had access to it here.
RR/M1 _had_ a track record of being very bad and completely unresponsive -
their only saving grace was that they weren't being abused as badly as
they could have been.
However, since (and probably somewhat before) their new Abuse manager
(or whatever MH's real title is) came on board, and participates heavily
in some of the anti-spam lists, RR/M1 has been as responsive as anyone
can ask for.
> If you and the others mentioned below wouldn't mind answering some
> questions I think you might see where I'm going now.
> Would you like to see the Usenet develop into the absolute premier and
> desired information location on the Internet? Without the rogue cancels?
> Without the types of problems so apparent in new.admin.net-abuse.usenet?
> As well as without the need for UDP's and the associated potential
> problems it harbours? As well as correcting some major flaws in
> operational design?
Usenet is a niche service, and fulfills a specific role - "free", "cheap",
"multitude of subjects", everyone is their own publisher.
WWW is now clearly the premier service, and is pulling away fast as the
commercial driver of the Internet. WWW is standard broadcast TV. Usenet
is more like PBS. Or, coaching a little league baseball team.
Neither can completely replace the other.
> Do you feel the present state of Usenet is the way it should really be?
At 100K+ spam cancels, floods, and that DtR is actually necessary, no.
> Would you be up to some kind of reconcilation with HipCrime?
> Would HipCrime be up to some kind of reconcilation with you?
What you really have to understand about Hipcrime is that his fundamental
purpose is to line his own pockets. He writes and sells spamming software.
His motivation is to engineer an environment where he can sell software
that permits spammers to spam the hell out of everyone. _Both_ in email
and Usenet.
In other words, he wants to use Usenet purely as a spamming medium, whereas,
we just want to be able to talk about widgets.
There is a fundamental conflict between what he wants, and what most
people want.
His Usenet is where _every_ group looks like alt.business.multi-level.
Our Usenet is where most groups at least bears _some_ resemblance to
the newsgroup name.
There is no compromise possible here. Do you think you have one?
> Would you be up to some kind of reconciliation with Bloxy's?
> Would Bloxy's be up to some kind of reconciliation with you?
If I could make any sense out of what Bloxy's is saying or wanting, I'd
be able to answer that question.
> All might have to compromise but all could get most of what each wants
> and '$' to compensate for the minimal parts compromised away.
> I have a plan in mind that could possible work.
You mean something like a commercial advertising on TV?
"$" is not the driving force here. It's what the web is for.
Vulis Terminator
omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions> wrote:
# You are without a doubt the most worthless self absorbed loser I have
# ever seen. Your are a pustual on the ass of life.
#
#
# Here are some Vulis Terminator gems
#
# > Here Gunterberg, Gunterberg, Gunterberg... (a nice jewish name ;-)
I have a fan!
VT
...to rest my fanny on...
Vulis Terminator
# In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, on 19 Jan 2000 08:14:41 GMT, Vulis Terminator
# <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> wrote:
#
# >Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
# ># Vulis Terminator <Geo...@Orwellian.Org> writes:
# >#
# >#
# ># Yes. That's why I don't like seeing someone flamed during a period as
# >
# >But at the same time...
# >
# >A call for a UDP is like the moon luring the loonies.
# >
# >This is obviously one of the loons.
# >
# >And omlette not only shows up on radar, it also shows up with cancel problems,
# >including these strange deals:
# >
# ># From: omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
# ># Subject: cmsg cancel <om6h4.4081$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
# ># Date: 18 Jan 2000 00:00:00 GMT
# ># Message-ID: <ri6y1.3022$cr2.1...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
# ># Control: cancel <om6h4.4081$mj7.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
# ># X-Trace: wagner.videotron.net 948238403 24.200.133.16
# ># (Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:33:23 EST)
# ># NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:33:23 EST
# ># Reply-To: omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>
# ># Newsgroups: schule.test,wales.test,kiel.test,owl.test,mn.test,sat.test,
# ># uk.test,de.test,at.test,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
# ># X-Complaints-To: ab...@videotron.net
#
# A forgery intended to mailbomb omlette.
Really, Henrietta.
Mailbomb <omlette@nospam.w/onions> ?
VT
You must have an amazing DNS server.
Henrietta K. Thomas
cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to omlette <omlette@nospam.w/onions>:
>> Chris Lewis wrote:
<...>
Note: Omlette is speaking at the double quotes.
I agree 99.9% with this post.
Would like to add a couple of more comments.
1. Two months ago, I wrote HipCrime and told him of the death of
one of the despammers. I asked if it made any difference to him.
He wrote back, "No. RIP." Absolute proof that there will never be
any reconciliation with him.
2. The despammers can't be bought, and Usenet is not for sale.
3. If you know HipCrime or any of the spammers, tell them to go
away and leave Usenet alone.
Henrietta
Jeremy
> Would you like to see the Usenet develop into the absolute premier and
> desired information location on the Internet?
No.
> Without the rogue cancels?
Yes.
> Without the types of problems so apparent in new.admin.net-abuse.usenet?
Yes.
> As well as without the need for UDP's and the associated potential
> problems it harbours?
Yes.
> As well as correcting some major flaws in operational design?
What flaws?
> Do you feel the present state of Usenet is the way it should really be?
Kinda, but not really.
> Would you be up to some kind of reconcilation with HipCrime?
Sure -- he goes away.
> Would HipCrime be up to some kind of reconcilation with you?
No.
> Would you be up to some kind of reconciliation with Bloxy's?
Nothing to reconcile, he's just a frothing loon, gone off his meds.
> Would Bloxy's be up to some kind of reconciliation with you?
No.
> I have a plan in mind that could possible work.
Shouldn't you learn how this Usenet works, though, before proposing a
new one?
Sergi
totally goes like:
>1. Two months ago, I wrote HipCrime and told him of the death of
>one of the despammers. I asked if it made any difference to him.
>He wrote back, "No. RIP." Absolute proof that there will never be
>any reconciliation with him.
Argumentum ad misercordiam. Not that I like Hipcrime or anything; I just
thought I'd point that out.
>
>2. The despammers can't be bought, and Usenet is not for sale.
>
>3. If you know HipCrime or any of the spammers, tell them to go
>away and leave Usenet alone.
And tell them I want a pony, too.
Matthew Montchalin
|>And in *this* case, I know that omlette's first attempt to clean up
|>his comments got him ressurected, port scanned, his computer telnetted
|>to, his other posts here cancelled. It's no surprise, frankly, that
|>he saw this all as enemy action of a rather grievous sort. I trust
|>the people who did these things enough to say I do believe these were
|>all done due to misunderstandings, but why should he believe it so
|>quickly with all the people bashing at him?
|
|At this point there IS a VALID case.
He may have a cause of action, but where is the evidence? Remember the
difference between evidence that can be authenticated, and that which
cannot. It can all go down the drain as an 'ipse dixit.' Why, sure, he
names John Does 1-20, and then a few ISP's while he is at it, under a
tort theory of some kind, but he needs more than what he seems to have.
|ALL you need is to organize information.
|Their defense is already on record.
|There is NOTHING they can add.
|Their ENTIRE position is PUBLICLY known.
|
|Time to file the case.
No, not yet.