Dealing with threats
Charles Richmond
the other Anthony Chen who have in the past harrassed users on my company's
network. Emails were sent to their system administrators with copies sent
to the individuals in question. Those individuals are now trying to promote
a campaign against the business relationships of IISC. The complaints that
angered them were that Tomoyuki-kun was promulgating spams that accused
persons of being racist. In my case that was particularly offensive as I
have been a strong supporter (former member/officer) of the NAACP and of
the various equal rights movements since the 60s. The complaint against
T Chen was that he was posting long detailed sexual fantasies about his
enemy's family to wildly inapropriate groups. He was doing this in an
attempt to harrass that person off of the net.
This is a request for advice in how to deal with those two individuals and
this is also a notification that when the companies business is being
threatened that I , as president of IISC , do not even have a choice. It
is my obligation to the corporation to send certified mail requesting a
cessation of such threats and activity to the two sponsoring organizations.
Thus IISC will be sending such certified mail to the Universities of
Washington and Indiana. If it is necessary , those letters will be followed
up with whatever is subsequently required.
It is important that these two individuals and their sponsoring Universities
realize that the fiduciary responsibilities as well as the legal and ethical
obligations that I have as the president of a corporate entity do not allow
me to ignore activities which maliciously attack and attempt to harm that
corporation's business relationships.
It is a simple formula. Person to person keeps it person to person, if they
don't want postmasters involved then they shouldn't have involved postmasters
themselves and if they don't want corporations involved , then they shouldn't
attack corporations.
Charles Richmond , President , IIS Corporation.
PS If anyone has a suggestion for a lesser method of dealing with these
threats that would also fulfill the obligations of a corporate officer
then I would be very pleased to have your email.
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Hiroshi Amari
: T Chen was that about ...
T Chen does not seem to be posting any longer in scaa. Could you try it
again when he is back from the winter break?
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Hiroshi Amari
Charles Richmond
>
> Hey, why the fuck do you even BOTHER with these dumb chinks?
>
I should have known that the racist idiots would come out of the woodwork...
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The Doctor
>There are two individuals, one the wellknown netkook Tomoyuki Tanaka and
>the other Anthony Chen who have in the past harrassed users on my company's
>network. Emails were sent to their system administrators with copies sent
>to the individuals in question. Those individuals are now trying to promote
>a campaign against the business relationships of IISC. The complaints that
>angered them were that Tomoyuki-kun was promulgating spams that accused
>persons of being racist. In my case that was particularly offensive as I
Hey, why the fuck do you even BOTHER with these dumb chinks?
If they are spamming you, wipe the motherfuckers out.
You complain to the postmaster, and if the cite fails to respond
to notices of spamming, you take the secondary necessary means
to eliminate the problem, BUT
Do NOT go getting spamming mixed up with CONTENT!
That is your problem right here.
Learn to DIFFERENTIATE between spamming and "content" disputes.
Who gives a fuck who else is a racist?
That must not EVER be an issue, because that is CONTENT!
>have been a strong supporter (former member/officer) of the NAACP and of
>the various equal rights movements since the 60s. The complaint against
>T Chen was that he was posting long detailed sexual fantasies about his
>enemy's family to wildly inapropriate groups. He was doing this in an
>attempt to harrass that person off of the net.
FORGET the matter of "appropriate groups." Let the GroupMembers deal
with that. That is NEVER to be the subject of any complaint to any
postmaster, because it is CONTENT related. If he is fucking with your
group, do your shit to him there -- not by any e-mail, or postmaster complaints.
>This is a request for advice in how to deal with those two individuals and
>this is also a notification that when the companies business is being
>threatened that I , as president of IISC , do not even have a choice. It
>is my obligation to the corporation to send certified mail requesting a
>cessation of such threats and activity to the two sponsoring organizations.
What threats? I have not heard any yet.
>Thus IISC will be sending such certified mail to the Universities of
>Washington and Indiana. If it is necessary , those letters will be followed
>up with whatever is subsequently required.
>
>It is important that these two individuals and their sponsoring Universities
>realize that the fiduciary responsibilities as well as the legal and ethical
>obligations that I have as the president of a corporate entity do not allow
>me to ignore activities which maliciously attack and attempt to harm that
>corporation's business relationships.
There are no fiduciary or legal or ethical obligations at all.
What was the attack? I still have not heard the threat of any bodily injury.
>It is a simple formula. Person to person keeps it person to person, if they
>don't want postmasters involved then they shouldn't have involved postmasters
>themselves and if they don't want corporations involved , then they shouldn't
>attack corporations.
>
>Charles Richmond , President , IIS Corporation.
>
>PS If anyone has a suggestion for a lesser method of dealing with these
>threats that would also fulfill the obligations of a corporate officer
>then I would be very pleased to have your email.
>
Forget the Corporations.
You seem to have a personal flame-war and content-dispute going,
and postmasters should not even be involved.
Postmasters must only get involved in SPAMMING, BI- threats or forgeries.
No content-related disputes are within the business of any corporation,
and any postmaster that gets involved in them is sort of stupid.
The people WILL work out their own problems if you make them.
Stop harassing the postmasters of this UseNet with content-related
complaints. It makes it so much harder to control the spammers when
you do that.
DrG,CEO
Manus,Inc.
Charles M.Richmond
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> Hey, why the fuck do you even BOTHER with these dumb chinks?
> In news.admin.net-abuse.misc you write:
> >I should have known that the racist idiots would come out of the woodwork...
>
On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Tim Skirvin wrote:
> Do *not* take Dunphy's words as anything resembling the word of
> the group, please. He's an official kook, we're all trying to ignore
> him...
>
Agreed! As a return favour, please don't take Tomoyuki Tanaka as
being representative of s.c.j or of his fake FAQs as being anything
but his personal opimion. S.C.J has an official FAQ which is maintained
by the long term maintainer (Shimpei) who inherited the role by consensus
when the old maintainer had to leave some years ago.
> Sorry that he insulted you.
>
> (And I assume you're from one of the nanam groups...)
>
Actually soc.culture.japan
> - Tim Skirvin (tski...@uiuc.edu)
> --
> <a href="http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin">Skirv's Homepage</a>
> <a href="http://arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu/killfile.html">The Daemons</a>
Hiroshi Amari
the one below.
I believe that Internet tools allow you to get access to personal
information, but posting like the one below is uncalled for.
The objective of soc.culture.japan is to discuss issues related to Japan,
find the truths without any bias, and understand events in proper contexts.
I would say that some attacks came from tanaka also, but almost everyone
in the group is brainwashed, it is hard to get unbiased opinions. scj's
atomosphere is hostile and it seems that people are preoccupied with who
won and who are friends (that is yes man). The purpose of the group has
to be to find what the truth is and appreciate diversified opinions
rather than automatic agreements.
I would like to hear Mike Fester's opinions about not the legality of this
type of postings but the appropriateness of this type of postings and
stupid tanaka-suffix discussion in unmoderated scj. I also wonder why
Mike Fester does not do anything about this thread. The call is still on.
If we see three threats to Asians (who have minority opinions) in scjs in
November and December, something is very wrong.
Some of the info below is replaced by *** so that the information alone
will not reach tanaka. This post is not solicited by tanaka tomoyuki.
From: Charles Richmond <c...@iisc.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,alt.skullfuck.charles-eicher,alt.flame.charles-eicher
Subject: Re: weirdest prank phone call
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:13:53 -0500
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp.
Scott Reynolds wrote:
>
> TANAKA Tomoyuki wrote:
> >
> > i've received weird phone calls before with heavy breathing, etc.
> >
> > but tonight i received the weirdest prank phone call.
> >
> > as soon as i picked up the phone, i heard:
> > sound of explosions,
> > followed by FDR's "Day of Infamy" bullshit speech.
> ^^^^^^^^
> You really look pretty stupid making statements such as this.
> (Just to make sure you understand why, I'll spell it out: It makes
> you look like you are defending the actions of the military during
> the militarist period in Japan. Quite simply, this is an
> indefensible position, like defending Hitler.)
>
> At any rate, perhaps you are getting prank calls due to the
> following reasons:
> 1) Your phone number (complete with area code) is available to
> anyone who bothers to finger indiana.edu. (I just checked.)
> 2) You insist of making a public ass out of yourself on USENET.
>
> (Big hint: Modify either of the above and the prank calls
> should stop.)
> __________________________________________________________________
Pretty cute! I just tried the finger operation and it suggests a 'whois'
and the example ig gave was Tomoyuki-kaba. See below for output:
koibito.iisc.com> finger TAN...@indiana.edu
[indiana.edu]
3 entries were matched:
Unique ID Full Name Dept/School Campus/Stat
------------ ---------------- -------------------------------- -----------
...
blt.tanaka Tanaka, Tomoyuki BL/Student
For detailed information on one of the above, repeat your query using
one of the Unique ID's. For example:
whois -h whois.indiana.edu blt.tanaka
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koibito.iisc.com> whois -h whois.indiana.edu blt.tanaka
Last Name : Tanaka
First Name : Tomoyuki
Campus Code : **
Campus : Bloomington
School Code : GRAD
School : Graduate School
Class : *******
Major : *******
E-mail Address : tan...@indiana.edu
Home Page : http://bronze.ucs.indiana.edu/~tanaka/
Phone Number : ***********
Street Address : **********
City : Bloomington
State : IN
Zip : 47406
University Status : Student
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Mike Fester
: I would like to see significant reduction in petty personal attacks like
: the one below.
*SIGH* And WHAT does "alt.is.too" have to do with this?
: The objective of soc.culture.japan is to discuss issues related to Japan,
: find the truths without any bias, and understand events in proper contexts.
Then why do you claim, eg, that in order to discuss police brutality in
Japan we must also discuss it in the US? If this is your example of
"proper context", then it would appear that "proper context"
should include EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD; thus there would
be very little discussion devoted to Japan (not that we seem to be
discussing it much these days anyway)
: I would say that some attacks came from tanaka also, but almost everyone
: in the group is brainwashed, it is hard to get unbiased opinions. scj's
I don't know of anyone who is "brainwashed"; that we disagree is a
separate issue.
: atomosphere is hostile and it seems that people are preoccupied with who
: won and who are friends (that is yes man). The purpose of the group has
: to be to find what the truth is and appreciate diversified opinions
: rather than automatic agreements.
Then don't get upset about the disagreements.
: I would like to hear Mike Fester's opinions about not the legality of this
: type of postings but the appropriateness of this type of postings and
: stupid tanaka-suffix discussion in unmoderated scj. I also wonder why
I didn't realize my opinion was that important to you.
: Mike Fester does not do anything about this thread. The call is still on.
Which thread is that? And what "call" are you talking about?
: If we see three threats to Asians (who have minority opinions) in scjs in
: November and December, something is very wrong.
We saw these same "threats" before on this group. As they were not
directed at you, you called them "jokes".
BTW, I don't see most Japanese on the group having "minority" opinions;
in most cases, there is no consensus.
: Some of the info below is replaced by *** so that the information alone
: will not reach tanaka. This post is not solicited by tanaka tomoyuki.
??? If you are posting, then everything will reach Tanaka-spud.
As for the rest, I STRONGLY recommend you take a course or 2 on the
Internet. "finger" information is considered "public", as is, eg,
a home page. IF YOU DON'T WANT PERSONAL INFORMATION IN THAT FILE,
REMOVE IT OR GET YOUR SYSAD TO DO SO!
As for Tanaka-gen's claims of "heavy breathing", he has also claimed
that Yamashita engaged in "the most venomous personal attacks" he
has ever encountered on the net. Mr Yamashita made no such attacks,
and Tanaka-gyou threatened him with libel.
You'll forgive us for not taking Tanaka-spud at his word. BTW, the
reason Tommy-kun gets so many DIFFERENT honorifics is that he
stated categorically that the use of "-san" by English speakers
must needs be derisive. Therefore, he does not get labelled with
that title.
I just like being a nice guy about those things.
Mike
: From: Charles Richmond <c...@iisc.com>
:
:
Charles M.Richmond
> I would like to see significant reduction in petty personal attacks like
> the one below.
>
Tomoyuki-kaba *CHOSE* to publish some info on the internet. My republishing
of it was in no way a personal attack.
On the otherhand your subsequent deliberate mischaracterization of that
was a personal attack and another example of what is turning out to be
a typical Hiroshi smear.
> I believe that Internet tools allow you to get access to personal
> information, but posting like the one below is uncalled for.
>
We all choose which info to make public. Tomoyuki-kaba and I have chosen
chosen to make our telephone numbers and addresses public. You reprinted
my info in the very same post in which you said it was an attack to print
Tomoyuki's. Your deliberate smears and faulty logic are indeed remarkable.
Your pretence of innocence is pitiable.
> The objective of soc.culture.japan is to discuss issues related to Japan,
> find the truths without any bias, and understand events in proper contexts.
>
Anytime you want to start talking about Japan feel free. As long as *you*
wish to indulge in unfounded personal attacks and smears , you do not have
much of a case for complaining about others.
You might note that any post in which I have been harsh on you has been
in direct response to a personal attack by you on me. In fact, while I
am rough on you. my total number of posts in which I have mentioned
your name is far less than the number of posts that you have made that
contained an attack or libel of me.
Even when I post excerpts from the newswires directly about Japan, you
have attacked me personally rather than trying to answer the content
of the excerpt.
You seem to be somewhat intellectually dishonest, presumably you will
reap a harvest from that in later years.
> I would say that some attacks came from tanaka also, but almost everyone
> in the group is brainwashed, it is hard to get unbiased opinions. scj's
> atomosphere is hostile and it seems that people are preoccupied with who
> won and who are friends (that is yes man). The purpose of the group has
> to be to find what the truth is and appreciate diversified opinions
> rather than automatic agreements.
>
> I would like to hear Mike Fester's opinions about not the legality of this
> type of postings but the appropriateness of this type of postings and
> stupid tanaka-suffix discussion in unmoderated scj. I also wonder why
> Mike Fester does not do anything about this thread. The call is still on.
> If we see three threats to Asians (who have minority opinions) in scjs in
> November and December, something is very wrong.
>
> Some of the info below is replaced by *** so that the information alone
> will not reach tanaka. This post is not solicited by tanaka tomoyuki.
>
I have replaced the info that Hiroshi edited with the info that Tomoyuki-kaba
choses to publish (note that the street address info is no longer in there.
# whois -h whois.indiana.edu blt.tanaka
Last Name : Tanaka
First Name : Tomoyuki
Campus Code : BL
Campus : Bloomington
School Code : GRAD
School : Graduate School
Class : Doctorate, New
Major : Computer Science
E-mail Address : tan...@indiana.edu
Home Page : http://bronze.ucs.indiana.edu/~tanaka/
Phone Number : 812 857-2603
University Status : Student
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