Message from discussion PING Michelle @ Sorbs
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Subject: Re: PING Michelle @ Sorbs
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:18:17 +0000 (UTC)
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:11:17 -0400, Joe Sniderman wrote:
> On 06/08/2012 07:33 AM, British Spam wrote:
>> I tend to find SORBS lists are generally fine. The IP is very likely to
>> be a source of some spam - much like Paypal & eBay are sources of spam,
>> but listing gmail/hotmail et al is probably not the smartest idea as
>> I'm reasonably sure that the ham -2- spam customer ratio is pretty much
>> the former, rather than the latter.
> If you agree with SORBS listing policies generally but dont want to
> block freemail providers, one workaround might be for you to exempt IPs
> listed as freemail providers on the DNSWL from checking against SORBS.
I can't say I totally agree with them, but I find the list useful. As I'm
sure you know Joe, it's easier to drop at SMTP time with a DNSBL but to
whitelist a ton of IP's (Cisco/Ironport have Gmails MX's running to 700+
results) upstream of that is not easy to implement. It ends up,
typically, being done in the content scanner after the DNSBL checks have
As far as freemail providers and Spam go, Yahoo is always top of my chart
for 101% spam and no ham. I rarely get it with Gmail or Hotmail now - but
different folks see different streams.
I've got great faith in Michelle and SORBS generally, I've always found
her helpful and knowledgeable and I'm sure she has justification to list
it - I just think it's non nonsensical. They are way too big for their
boots and communicating with Gmail, or their new adopted bastard child
Postini, is a complete waste of anyone's time. If every blocklist nailed
them, I suspect that problem could be addressed swiftly.