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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:23:29 GMT

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Subject: [k00k^^SuN Tsu^^K00k] Time to scream at Google re: "Improved" Groups?

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"SuN Tsu" <bananananae [at]_ spamblocked.com> screeched and flung his feces
in message
news:1103179317.935102.306380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> You sound like spamjamr's replacement in a tag team, but at least you
> can see what they can't.

Sun Fool, Sun Fool, Sun Fool... why can't you seem to get along with
*anyone* here in NANAE? What's the matter, boy? Nobody there to change your
diaper?

>Unless you prefer to attempt to prove *any* of Darren
> Brothers' thus far debunked false accusations.

False accusations, you say? Is that like the false accusations you made
against me, in the links in my sig, you retard?

Here's a hint, 'sparky'... how's about you produce *one* spam you purport I
sent? Just one... we're waiting...

Or are you now admitting that you were not only *WRONG* about your original
false accusations, but that you were *WRONG* to lie about the information
you manufactured to back up those false accusations, and that you were
*WRONG* when you lied about having in your possession additional
information that would prove me a spammer? That's just three lies, out of
many... and yet you've not answered to any of them... and you wonder why
your reputation is flushed down the toilet...

Now, let's look at some of the *TRUTH* of what sleazy actions you've taken:

Sun Tsu's original accusations against me. Here we see him slip off the
deep end, trying to say that I'm four spammers in just one post... of
course, this obvious inconsistency in his own post didn't seem to bother
Sun Fool, probably because he's got several more than four personalities in
his mis-shapen, hydrocephalic head:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?th=1bca4b08b5c23290&seekm=2f0f6d90.040806154 6.7fd0b...@posting.google.com#link23

====================
":::: or are you this spammer? ::::
Monteforte, Patrick &amp; Tracy gtp...@northcoast.com
1516 Horrell Ave
Mckinleyville, CA 95519
US
707-840-9517"

"Do you have a frog in your pocket or are you talking about your sock
puppet, bfs, who used to be tube...@hotmail.com? Oh, wait, that's not a
sock puppet, it's *you* "idnit," Bob and Mr. Anonumous is the real sock
puppet."

"And at the very same time you question the link between SPEWS S2134 and
thePlanet.com; why is that, Bob? Is it because Phil Doroff / SPEWS S2134
and the Russian spam gang are competitors?"

"Let's hear it, Bob. What is your concern with SPEWS S2134? Are you a sock
puppet for Doroff?"

"One thing is for sure, Bob, you have the very same stench of humour that
the "isoles" of the old isolate.net spam gang have and the same
entertainment value that John Morrison Johnson and Joshua Dean Stewart of
SPEWS S1620 / S1758 have."
====================

Of course, Sun Tsu has tried on several instances to either insinuate or to
outright state that I'm a spammer... each time not being able to produce
the source code of even *one* spam he purports I sent:

====================
"OK, Steve, now you have some clues, no *proof,* that Bob is a spammer.
Either follow them and prove or disprove the accusation, or apologise for
your rude behaviour."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408070947.2a80e0f9%40po...

"Bob, are you Bob Greenawalt of webreseller.net (r...@webreseller.net)?
Webreseller.net hosted some of the most egregious pr0n spammers on the
Internet, pus.bz and sic.bz, for SPEWS S1758 / isolate.net (sued by MSN)
and SPEWS S1620 / Joshua Dean Stewart / John Morrison Johnson /
verynicetits / bentspokemedia / dirtytraffic.com (now hosted with PV). From
http://spews.org/html/S1620.html"
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408100403.5bce2160%40po...

"This post is dedicated to those "one-eyed regulars" who fall/fell victim
to spammy's FUD and whine in NANAE in support of a spammer who
advocates fighting abuse with abuse, rather than spending their time
researching *spammers* and helping to stop spam."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408100632.1a862a7f%40po...

":::: or are you this spammer? ::::
Google Search: 151.164.243.21
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=151.164.243.21&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&s..."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408061546.7fd0be7b%40po...

"You know, Bob, it all makes sense now. You are spouting, "down with the
Russian spam gang!" and "look at me, I'm a super fscking spam fighter who
got the Russian spam gang's domains shut down at Intercosmos.com!" And at
the very same time you question the link between SPEWS S2134 and
thePlanet.com; why is that, Bob? Is it because Phil Doroff / SPEWS S2134
and the Russian spam gang are competitors?"
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408061546.7fd0be7b%40po...

"Remember almost one year ago when spammy was DDoSing Spamhaus, Osirusoft,
Monkeys.com and a few other anti-spam sites, that Spamhaus.org said that it
was two different spam gangs doing the DDoS attacks, one Russian and one
American? Hmm, let's see, Phil Doroff of SPEWS S2134 is suspect in some of
those DDoS attacks as was a Russian spam gang."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408061546.7fd0be7b%40po...

"Correction, bfs isn't your sock puppet, it's *you* Bob and *this* is
simply an alias you created within the last few days to have a go with some
of the regulars. It's your form of amusement. You are a spammer, Bob,
plain and simple and you used to post as tube...@hotmail.com and an expose'
on you is forthcoming. Soon, Bob, very soon.
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408061546.7fd0be7b%40po...

"Spoken like *true* chickenboner, Bob. There's that "we" again. Just how
many frogs do you have in your "widdle itty bitty" pants pockets. You talk
cr@p, Bob. You *are* cr@p, Bob! You pr0n spammers all have that "thingie"
about being such great orators and just love to see your words in print
"above the line" as Stewart like to say. And you "get off" by pretending
to be some "hot babe" in a chat room on AOL whilst talking to a *male*
about sex."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408061546.7fd0be7b%40po...

"There's that "isole" stench of humour, again, Bob. You're making fun of
Spitzer since he settled with Snotty, "orangeya?" Hmm, maybe you
know Snotty personally, do you, Bob?"
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408061546.7fd0be7b%40po...

"Bob, you are either a mortgage spammer yourself or you support, or have a
vested interest in, the mortgage spam industry. Tell us (tinu) the truth,
Bob, you're here with a hidden agenda, "orangeja?""
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408061546.7fd0be7b%40po...

"Agreed. Bob is well versed is spamming and defending against being
stopped."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408070025.49cdddff%40po...

"Spammny registered /29's using 303 Second Street in San Francisco and is
most likely related to globalofferz.biz, a *most* egregious pills/pron
spammer. Can you find any of his other /29's or link him to any SPEWS
records?"
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408070947.2a80e0f9%40po...

"OK, people, move along. Nothing to see here "butt" another Rule # 1
challenged spam supporter/spammer/poster pretending to be ignorant and
yanking everyone's chain for the attention as spammers and k00ks often do."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408050912.1f1a053e%40po...

"More to follow later. Seems Mr. "Anon" has been busy the last three days
posting in NANAE for some ulterior motive than to learn about SPEWS. It
will be a long post, but revealing. It shouldn't come as a surprise to
anyone that the story will trace back to 2002 and be related to Mr. Doroff
and his accomplices/partners..."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408050912.1f1a053e%40po...

"You might want to spend your time seeking out Bob's true identity and not
wasting it on a personal vendetta. Start by googling on "303 Second
Street" and see if you can dertemine on your own how Bob's address used to
register his /29 is related to one of the *most* egregious spammers ever
discussed in NANAE."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408071346.4feee14c%40po...

"You're a spammer, Bob."
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408070741.2e58d379%4...
====================

Of course, Sun Tsu's wholly manufactured and fantasy-world ramblings are
also seen in the same link in which he made his original accusations. We
can see his schizoid paranoia flaring out of control.
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?th=1bca4b08b5c23290&seekm=2f0f6d90.040806154 6.7fd0b...@posting.google.com#link23

====================
"Bob, did you hijack this IP block from Stan?"

"If you are new here then why do you know so much about whois, LARTing,
dig, reporting chains, etc.?"

==========

> Man, you'd be amazed at how many people are using the email address of
> 'anonym...@domain.invalid'. No wonder I get so much spam... I've got
> Sanford Wallace AND Scott Richter right in my Inbox!

Why would someone as "clued" as you use such an address then, hmm, Bob?
==========

"Here you are responding to your own sock puppet who made three posts in
the very same thread with either a one-time posting addresses or as a
X-No-archieve poster."

"The 'b' to 'r' is easy, you changed the 'b' for Bob to 'r' for Robert.
Whys the change from "f" to "s" with your middle intial? Did you decide to
change your middle name from "fscktard" to "sh!thead?""

"And you "get off" by pretending to be some "hot babe" in a chat room on
AOL whilst talking to a *male* about sex."

"Be honest, Bob, you've read Sun-Tzu, haven't you, and you are practicing
Book 13."

"So that's it. You are doing all of this to gather intel for "them."
You're one of "them" and not one of us (tinu). Shame on you, Bob. You
*are* here on a Book 13 (Sun-Tzu, The Art of War) mission."

"Hmm, there's that, "Hi, all" again that your other socks used to set up
some of your responses. You may have read Book 13, but you simply aren't
that good at this sort of subterfuge, Bob."

"Tell us (tinu) the truth, Bob, you're here with a hidden agenda,
"orangeja?""
====================

Of course, Sun Tsu was soundly bitch-slapped by everyone for being so
stupid:

====================
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnch8at5.1pnu.andrew%2Bnonews%4...
"What kind of crack are you smoking? That's one of sbcglobal's backbone
routers, searching for references to is isn't going to give you anything
useful..."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=Aw0Rc.2802%24Do6.60%40newssvr29.n...
"Sun, you're such a nut... God, you should go on the stand-up comedy
circuit... you're hilarious. I literally laughed until my sides hurt on
that first post."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1259h0do3ht9bqn2inv5fptrl3pvn326q...
"Andrew has *never* posted anything that has made suspicious of his motives
in any way. You have posted a lot of stuff that just gets me to scratching
my head wondering what the heck your point is. An abundance of references
to your own posts in Google don't prove anything. That's just circular.
Book 13? You're a whack job."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=fQ8Rc.2202%24qI5.2080%40newssvr27...
"Ah, well. At least it keeps him off the streets and away from the sane
people..."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnch9f0d.1pnu.andrew%2Bnonews%4...
"My lack of tolerance for fools is legendary."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnchbo2m.1pnu.andrew%2Bnonews%4...
"So once again, you're drawing conclusions from inadequate (or indeed
nonexistent) data."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnchbo2m.1pnu.andrew%2Bnonews%4...
"If you draw enough unsupported conclusions, you can probably link that /29
to anyone on the planet."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnchbo2m.1pnu.andrew%2Bnonews%4...
"I can't reproduce your logic because I can't reliably guess exactly
_which_ unsupported leaps you've made at any given step."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnchbo2m.1pnu.andrew%2Bnonews%4...
"You are clearly so certain that you are right that you refuse to
re-examine your evidence - and this obviously has a bearing on how
seriously you can be taken when you make assertions that are not
independently supported."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=4116F07C.25E%40stop-spam.org
"You freaking moron. It is nobody's job to do your research. If you are
not capable of doing then shut the fuck up until you are able to do it."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=4116F07C.25E%40stop-spam.org
"To make an error happens. You refused to accept the clues offered to you
and ammend your childish behavior."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnche68k.1pnu.andrew%2Bnonews%4...
"Had you bothered to read the next paragraph, you'd notice that I estimate
that not merely more than one, but in fact _several thousand_ /29s are
registered to that address - at minimum."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=10heke9recnokd4%40news.supernews.com
"Continuing to argue with that clown, however, ..."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=4116EBF4.619F%40stop-spam.org
"You should learn who to screw with and who not to. Book one of the real
art of war. I said it before you might have read the books but you haven't
a fucking clue as to how to put the principles into practice. You should
learn when to shut the hell up. Ignore this putz Andrew. Please ignore
this putz. You are freaking clueless. You have no idea what actually is
going on do you?"

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=ghWQc.2721%24yB3.125%40newssvr29....
"ROTFLMAO! God, Sun Tsu, you do the best impression of a crazy person that
I've /ever/ seen!"

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnch8fep.fiq.rmiller%40patthama...
"I advise you to prime your killfile, for eventual action :-)"

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=cf9nv80n3u%40drn.newsguy.com
"What? A posting IP "resolves" to another IP? Ridiculous. ROFL. That
backbione router leads to lots of places. Care to show step by step
how you arrived at this conclusion? Are you claiming he is associated with
Doroff? Care to show your verifiable "facts". Hmmm...216,000 hits in nana*
for "Hi, All". Now thats rock hard evidence."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=cf9nv80n3u%40drn.newsguy.com
"I havent seen you prove this yet. After that wild leap with claiming his
posting host resolves to a backbone router IP, and not showing how you
associated Bob, or Stan Fisher to THEANSWERTO.COM, I am inclined to not to
believe your at best circumstancial evidence."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=Xns95411C7CF703D91116243242%40216...
"I can't believe this idiot sun tsu has brought this nonsense to another
thread.
Here:
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?as_umsgid=Xns953F9120B4A5891116243...@216.168.3.30"

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=10hgv0p4kvremaf%40news.supernews.com
"Just like typhus, it cannot spread without the cooperation of the
victims."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=Aa7Sc.2416%24QJ3.44%40newssvr21.n...
"Who the hell are you talking to? Do you call everyone Bob? Is everyone a
spammer to you? I'm trying to figure out your particular psychosis."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=Xns9541909628A6591116243242%40216...
"The guy is insane. Literally."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnchi4ca.38o.rmiller%40patthama...
"I don't know what's going on with him, but I had him pegged a long time
ago"

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=slrnchmss5.38o.rmiller%40patthama...
"He's still at it?"
====================

But did Sun Tsu catch a clue and simply shut the hell up? No... he attacked
everyone telling him he was wrong:

====================
"Reread the entire article and come back when you can see past your own
nose/self-interest and post anything that contradicts the facts. If you
believe anything that Bob the bafoon's is spewing, you ae a
disappointment."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408070014.449f515b%40po...

"Now, Steve, if you actually want to do something useful and can't
understand too much information presented in one article, do some googling
on your own or do you have to be spoon fed the facts in the fight against
spam like some ignorant newbie to NANAE. Just because *you* can't put two
and two together doesn't mean someone else can't."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408070947.2a80e0f9%40po...

"Now you sound like a spammer and/or someone who can't control his emotions
and/or someone who forgot how to exhibit proper manners and employ good
interpersonal skills in hos posts. :("
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408070947.2a80e0f9%40po...

"Your lack of common sense and good judgement is also legenday now as well.
You made a personal attack when none was made upon youself. You were
foolish and therefore you should now have no tolerence for yourself."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408071346.4feee14c%40po...

"Your inability to do such research and make the connection is no reason or
excuse for such an emotional outburst and unwarranted attack
on another poster. There is *nothing* you can post to justify what you
have done, Andrew, but you are welcome to try if that is your pleasure."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408071346.4feee14c%40po...

"Well, you did prove one thing, Andrew, that your sole purpose in posting
in this thread is simply to satisfy a personal vendetta and not to fight
spam."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=252a0bbf.0408081224.3c9b6543%40po...

"Your inability to understand reality is clouded by your emotional need to
be right and to have it domonstrated in NANAE. This was never about you,
Andrew, but you seem to want it to be, or need it to be."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=252a0bbf.0408081224.3c9b6543%40po...

"Hmm, just how many puppets does Bob have in his sock drawer? Another
"anonymous" one-time poster steps forward to support Bob who
can't stand on his own two feet."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408102125.1999b087%40po...

"Donny was being facetious and since you don't sound like the brightest
bulb in the circuit... http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=facetious
You are acting like a one-eyed-poster who appears to need some attention by
involving yourself in something that doesn't concern you. How sad for you."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=630e418f.0408111234.c67eecd%40pos...

"You are not thinking clearly because you are motivated by a one-eyed
personal agenda trying to prove theBanana wrong rather than posting with a
two-eyed agenda of trying to fight spam. That's your misfortune."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=630e418f.0408111234.c67eecd%40pos...

"You successfully sued AdultFriendFinder.com yet they still spam regularly.
This just proves that you are an ineffective spam fighter. You did,
however, put money in your own pocket from the lawsuit, which does prove
that fighting spam can be profitable. Oh, you still can't spell and are too
lazy to use a spell checquer. One more thing, you are a bad little Pavlov
doggie. DING! SWITCH!"
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408112347.5ef9ad7a%40po...
====================

Of course, even after being slapped around by the entire group like a
retarded red-headed step-child, Sun Tsu didn't learn his lesson, and tried
to make an end run to save his reputation, the burning wreckage of which
was doing a slow death spiral crash.

====================
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408100632.1a862a7f%40po...
"This post is dedicated to those "one-eyed regulars" who fall/fell victim
to spammy's FUD and whine in NANAE in support of a spammer who advocates
fighting abuse with abuse, rather than spending their time researching
*spammers* and helping to stop spam."

"Did anyone bother to contact Donny at DirectNIC.com to confirm or deny
what Mr. Anonymous claimed or to discover that Mr. Anonymous *spammed*
DirectNIC.com with his complaint?"
====================

Of course, it was proven later that I'd done no such thing...

====================
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=be4095a7.0408101951.5a8112b8%40po...
"3. Mr. Anonymous/Spam Reporting did send an email to us on 8/1/2004,
reporting the domain was spamming, and he DID NOT send the email to all of
our internal contacts unlike I told Sun Tsu when he emailed me.
====================

But did this stop Sun Tsu? Noooo! He brought this same point up again and
again and again... the latest iteration being on 29November04, nearly 4
MONTHS after Donny had proven him wrong on this point.

So, Sun Fool tried yet another end run to save his rapidly collapsing
reputation... he attempted to use a rumor he'd started previously, about
how DirectNIC was not only housing Ronnie Scelson's websites, but was also
partly *owned* by Ronnie Scelson, a spammer Sun Tsu seems to be obsessed
with, and sees as being behind every spam sent. He was trying desperately
to tie Scelson to DirectNIC, and DirectNIC to me, in order to falsely brand
me as a spammer, so he could claim he was right all along, and salvage his
badly damaged reputation.

====================
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408100632.1a862a7f%40po...
"Many regular NANAE posters have felt that DiretNIC.com was more black hat
than white hat. Some have even suggested that Ronnie Scelson either hosts
his spam servers at DirectNIC.com or is involved with them in some other
capacity."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=252a0bbf.0408081231.549f3d44%40po...
"That's quite interesting. Is DirectNic.com a spammer hiding under another
name or are they protecting a client/spammer such as Ronnie Scelson."
Scelson is suspect because of two things.
1 - He has stated that his current servers are located in an office
building in downtown New Orleans. DirectNic is located in downtown New
Orleans which is less than 30 minutes from Scelson's home in Slidell,
Louisiana.
2 - Scelson has claimed to have pioneered Windows messaging."
====================

We see in Sun Tsu's statement above that he refuses to do the necessary
research and legwork to verify if his assumptions are correct. Instead, he
finds what seems to him to be a plausible explanation for a situation, and
runs with it as though it were fact:

====================
Of course, Sun Fool never bothered to do his due diligence:
"Also their are about 20 data centers in the New Orleans area."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=be4095a7.0408101951.5a8112b8%40po...
====================

Of course, Sun Tsu's claims that Ronnie Scelson was a part owner of
DirectNIC were easily refuted... it was shown that Sun Tsu, despite saying
that great teeming hordes of people were stating that DirectNIC was partly
owned by Scelson, was the only one spouting this particular brand of
k00k-crap.

====================
This is a statement that only two people have made, Sun Tsu being the sole
remaining proponent:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=FcidnbF7P8KiisbdRVn-tw%40bright.net
Immediately debunked.

Here's a post that *appears* to be Jeff Higgins stating this:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=i7oSc.7114%24zt3.1527%40bignews5....
"Many regular NANAE posters have felt that DiretNIC.com was more black hat
than white hat. Some have even suggested that Ronnie Scelson either hosts
his spam servers at DirectNIC.com or is involved with them in some other
capacity."

But we find that this is just a result of oversnipping, and the real author
is:

"Many regular NANAE posters have felt that DiretNIC.com was more black hat
than white hat. Some have even suggested that Ronnie Scelson either hosts
his spam servers at DirectNIC.com or is involved with them in some other
capacity."

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=3klih09go34t2jeod7g7snr03b6kl5m4h...
Say, isn't that Sun Tsu's post that Jeff Higgins is attributing? It is.
Well, cross that one off the list...

Ahhh, now we get to the 'unattributed post' I previously mentioned. It is
unattributed because the person states the following:
==========
"It is highly suspected in many circles that DirectNic is controlled by
career spammer Ronnie Scelson."
==========
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=4MKdnZmwSLv-Pv7d4p2dnA%40bright.net

Yet they provide no links to these 'many circles'. Indeed, they provide no
link at all.

But wait... isn't the poster in the link directly above the same poster as
in the first link... the link that was immediately debunked? Hmmm...
"Giblet - USA Resident" Yes, yes it was.

And didn't Giblet - USA Resident later retract that statement? Why yes, he
stated that he was mistaken in the company that he thought accepted blank
registrations, which was the basis for his assertion.
"Actually, a correction - the one that I saw accept blank registrations was
bestregistrar.com"
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=F5ednbQajvuirMbd4p2dnA%40bright.net

SO! It appears the *only* one accusing DirectNIC/Intercosmos of housing
Ronnie Scelson's websites or being partly owned by Ronnie Scelson is Sun
Tsu. Why doesn't *SUN TSU* show us all these teeming hordes he claims are
accusing DirectNIC of housing Ronnie Scelson and/or being partly owned by
Ronnie Scelson?====================

And of course, Donny from InterCosmos debunked this 'myth' (read: lie)
being promulgated solely by Sun Tsu:
====================
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0408100632.1a862a7f%40po...
"I don't know who Ronnie Scelson is, but I can guarantee that he is not one
of our owners and that we don't host anything for him..."
====================

After having the lie above debunked by Donny at InterCosmos, did Sun Tsu
finally admit that he made mistakes and intentionally lied to try to
salvage his reputation in NANAE? Nooooo! Sun Tsu obviously doesn't have the
brains or the strength of character to admit his mistakes, so he again
attacks. Only this time, his attacks have a different directive... to
attempt to drive me from NANAE, so that Sun Tsu's stupidity and lies would
no longer be scrutinized, and hence perhaps his reputation would recover
over time.

Here we see Sun Tsu posting our email addresses in the clear, in an
*ADMITTED* attempt at causing our spam receival rate to increase.

====================
"Read the sig, Bob, Bob, Bob, and think about how many times your stupidity
has caused your email address, which you claim receives no spam, to be
harvested by spammer bots."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=5a07596f.0410292024.233bb198%40po...

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=5a07596f.0411250928.bef2751%40pos...
"Why do you insist upon increasing the amount of spam that HillsCapital.com
receives?"
====================

And he did this numerous times over the course of several months...

Once Sun Tsu found that I wasn't as easily intimidated as he had initially
estimated (it seems Sun Tsu has major problems judging both people and
situations), he ramped up his scumbaggery, by posting my name, address,
telephone number, and photograph to NANAE, and intimating that the spammers
would now know who I was, and come and get me:

====================
"Bob, Bob, Bob, you just don't get it, and you very likely *never* will.
Once an arsehole, always an arsehole, and you're a fool, too. See what you
have cause to happen now."
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=5a07596f.0410232034.52ef3197%40po...

Now spammers know who you are and where you are.
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=2f0f6d90.0411021120.553da9cf%40po...
====================

When Sun Tsu found that I wasn't intimidated by him in the slightest, he
again ramped up his scumbaggery, and began stalking me from thread to
thread and even to other newsgroups:

====================
Sun Fool stalking an anti-spammer to alt.spam and attacking him:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&frame=right&th=2be9f7a07b9e2...

Sun Fool hijacking a thread and attacking:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1103130934.298215.213...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Sun Tsu hijacking yet another thread and attacking:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1102783607.264543.303...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Sun Tsu hijacking yet another thread to pollute it with his k00k stupidity:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1102779459.746814.31...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Sun Fool hijacking yet *another* thread to pollute it with his k00k
stupidity:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1102427276.360276.156...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Sun Tsu hijacking yet *another* thread, and posting more of our email
addresses in the clear, in an *admitted* attempt at causing our spam
receival rate to increase:
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=5a07596f.0411250928.bef2...@posting.google.com
====================

Of course, after all of this, he began snipping out of context, and
spamming these out-of-context lies across NANAE in his sig:
====================
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=1103178036.029817.257...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
""No, revenge is what will happen if I ever find out who you
really are, you shitbag"

-Mr. Anonymous threatens to SpamVampire a person in RL ... :(
Just because he can't determine which spammer is having a
go with him in retaliation for his abusive and
indiscriminate use of SpamVampire"

The above lie is easily refuted by looking at the original post:

http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=c_Osd.39064$6q2.23...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com

==========
=====

> You and Brothers are Koncert Kooks who rant continually. Please stop!
> Lord knows what you "too" want, other than revenge?

=====

How about justice, scumbag? How about the truth from you... something we've
never seen? How about an admission from you that you made false accusations
of spamming against an innocent person, that you manufactured evidence to
back up those false accusations, that you resorted to sleazy tactics such
as posting peoples' names, addresses, telephone numbers and photos to NANAE
in an attempt to drive them away so your false accusations would no longer
be scrutinized? Or sleazy tactics such as posting anti-spammers' email
addresses in the clear in an *admitted* attempt at causing their spam
receival rate to increase, again in an attempt at driving them away so your
false accusations would no longer be scrutinized? Or sleazy tactics such as
stalking anti-spammers to other threads *and* other newsgroups and
attacking them in yet *another* attempt at driving them away so your false
accusations would no longer be scrutinized?

You call it revenge? No, revenge is what will happen if I ever find out who
you really are, you shitbag. You'll then see me doing the same exact things
to you as you did to me... and you'll run from NANAE like the retarded
little monkey you are, because you wouldn't be able to stand the shame of
your actions, knowing that the entire world knows who you are. No, we're
merely after justice... at least for now.
==========
====================

There are several other instances of Sun Tsu's scumbaggery... simply search
Google Groups, and you'll see his abusive behavior perpetrated against
everyone in NANAE. It seems his anti-social behavior knows no bounds.

> If you can't recognise that he is an obsessed, paranoid, shadow chasing
> stalker, then you need a break from NANAE, seriously! :(

No, it is you who is the obsessed, paranoid, shadow chasing stalker... as
is easily evidenced by all the above, and all the crap you flung in the
links in my sig. Get a clue, retard... you're only hurting your own
reputation.

So, this is the thread to which anyone accused of spamming will be
directed, and the thread to which NANAE newbies will be directed... so they
can see just how stupid Sun Tsu (aka bananananae) can be, just how low
he'll sink to try to prove himself right, and how much of a total scumbag
he is on a daily basis. As can be seen (and as everyone new will eventually
find out), believing anything Sun Tsu (aka bananananae) posts is generally
not a good idea, especially if it cannot be corroborated with sources other
than Sun Tsu.

You must, however, remain vigilant... one of Sun Tsu's favorite tactics is
to establish lies well in advance by posting them in seemingly off-topic
but innocuous posts, then referring to these past posts in his current
posts, building each small lie upon past lies... his entire spam-fighting
reputation is built in this fashion... a house of mirrors constructed by
Sun Tsu to baffle everyone in NANAE into thinking that he's anti-spam...
but his actions speak much louder than his words ever could.

--
When will the k00k Sun Tsu apologize for his false accusations?
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?th=1bca4b08b5c23290&seekm=2f0f6d90.040806154 6.7fd0b...@posting.google.com#link23
http://www.google.co.uk/groups?selm=bR2rd.26861%24zx1.14305%40newssvr...
NANAE newbies: For your own protection you should kill-file Sun Tsu.
(You'll have to kill-file him four times, he's posting with four email
accounts).

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