Message from discussion Shiksaa postings - Inside info and what is behind it

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From: srich10...@aol.comSR (Scott Richter)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: 06 Apr 2003 21:18:39 GMT
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Subject: Shiksaa postings - Inside info and what is behind it
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Attn.: I am not a good writer or speller so please lets not waste a once and
for all real conversation that can take place on a bunch of spelling and
grammar errors. There is an opportunity for intelligent people to be allowed to
tell all sides of the story without being done by a person posting in a square
box with no open minded chance.



I have been asked by many to help get to the bottom of what is going on.

So this is exactly what I have done.

Lets look at some interesting things behind all of the posts. Seems like
Shiksaa is not as popular or supported as some may have thought. Now this is
not a debate of who supports and who doesn't and I as well as others know there
is a good bunch who will come to her aid after the hard work she has done for
all of you. Some others may have realized that the Internet is a real place and
now see that some of the things that have been called foul play are no
different then things that get done to others. 

I would make the following assumptions from what I have read. One is I as well
as others are listed on a site called match the spammer scum. I do not see what
benefit that site offers except pure harassment purposes. Also the person who
made the site hides unlike people like my self who are very easy to find and
contact. Now lets look at the facts. I see a lot of people saying spammers hide
and to this or that. So why does Posty now post who he really is? He seems to
know a lot about every one to get there pictures and make a game on them.

As for Susan and Spamhaus, we all know that she is one of many US based
volunteers. She is not Steve Linford and I think there is plenty of supporting
evidence of that. Yes, she can edit records that are part of the site. Yes,
after many emails to Steve unanswered she finally removed information that was
unrelated to my business that listed my moms home address. Now while my Mom
wasn't a military veteran she is very old and sick and Im still trying to
figure out why that information would have ever been listed on such a well
recognized anti spam web site. 

I have asked for who is in charge of my record and have received multiple
answers. I would love to know who there has the problem with me there as it
seems more personal then any kind of business tactic that they think they are
accomplishing. Im sure hopping that being on the panel with one of there top
representatives will help clear up and answer a lot of this since the big guy
can't make the trip. If need be I will pay the ticket for Steve Linford to be
at the FTC forum. More then happy to bring him to the US for it.

Now lets look at Susan and Spews, its safe to assume she's not Spews. Does she
know any thing about Spews or who is behind it, im sure she does. She is a
highly respected anti fighter and her posts carry a lot of weight with listings
that appear on spews as well as her information is used in many Spews posts as
the info listed. Now this is usually copied from nanae but one can assume she's
a trusted source for them.

Finally I will ask that who ever is behind setting up these sites against any
anti spam fighters to at least list there info so that we are not on the level
of any antis who hide like Spews and are afraid to list personal information. I
see this as a big issue. We have no need to not list our information. They I
guess see a need to damage business and reputations but do not see it as the
same when looking out of the window. Im sure that Spews will come clean as well
as all the others who post like cowards and cause sever damage to the innocent
for what ever justified reason in there head they wish to use.

Or maybe Spews can't come clean since there is a law being broke in some place
of the world that would force them to hide even thought there here in the us or
a good part of them. Seems like time is running out and that its becoming ever
so easily for people to locate people who hide.

Im looking forward to all the usual rants from the group and how this and that
and what ever else comes to mind can be said. Now if every one wants to post
intelligently we can hopefully all work together and have a solution for many
problems that exist.

Makes no sense why the antis and there blocking is doing so well that people
would take the time to Joe Job them instead of making more money. If I have the
ability to send mail im going to send on something that makes money not some
Joe Job that serves no purpose. So others mailers I ask you do the same.

Also any more postings about Susan from any one I know I will consider against
all respect for my self and others who believe in doing what is right. We will
win all we need to legally, no need to break laws of which I can't see are
being broken but if there is any no need for it.

I think its safe to know that no matter what any side does email will be here
for a long time to stay. Individuals can take control and manage there own
boxes on there own to block mail. If they can't do these simple things then
maybe they shouldn't be allowed to get email. Heck if all this blocking really
worked we all would have been gone by now I assume, or maybe we did make the
changes we said we would and all is going real well.

Scott