[Crossposted to news.admin.net-abuse.misc, aus.net.mail (junk email), aus.music (music paper), aus.media-watch (the media promoting itself through junk email).]
Got the junk yesterday (see 'Australia: real.net.au/infinet.net.au' thread in news.admin.net-abuse.email and aus.net.mail). So I decided I'd give a phone call to real.net.au, infinet.net.au, and the junk emailers themselves, 'On The Street' magazine.
'On The Street' is a free weekly music-and-entertainment listings paper based in Sydney; it's a real organisation, not a fly-by-night spam-scam like most junk emailers. Not that that makes their junk email any 'better'. They sent out a promotional piece of crap with an 'opt-out' provision. Fundamentally parasitical of other people's resources and not the way to do things.
Not to mention that they sent it to people in the USA and Finland as well as Australia. Hell, I'm in Melbourne, not Sydney, and a Sydney what's-on really isn't a whole lot of use to me. Believe it or not. Targeted? Ha.
(I actually have an address which I've placed in various music directories and which I have thus solicited music-related junk for. However, this went to my usual email address - the one spamtrapped above - and that address is NOT listed for such shit.)
* icom.com (USA, 213-993 6122): Thomas Gorny (hostmas...@icom.com) is the listed technical contact for onthestreet.com - I haven't called or written yet; perhaps someone (multiple someones - anyone in LA!) should get in touch to tell him he's hosting a spammer's web site, and that if he lets this one pass then every spammer on Earth will be knocking on his door.
* infinet.net.au (02-9662 3530): answering machine. I've already sent them a complaint email, I want to speak to a human thanks. Ah well.
* real.net.au (02-9212 4900): "Could I speak to your net-abuse person please. You have a junk emailer." The person who answered the phone had *no idea* what I was on about, but after I repeated my request twice more they put me through to someone I presume was a technical guy (didn't get a name).
Apparently, OtS is leaving real.net.au pretty soon (the new web site, http://onthestreet.com/ , is different from the one at http://www.real.net.au/ots/ ), and left them with a parting present. [OtS says otherwise - see below.]
The fellow I spoke to seemed quite annoyed, because apparently they shouldn't have been able to do what they did the way they did it; he was at work on blocking the method they used to send the junk email.
(Me: "I bet you've had a nice morning." Him: "It's been ... interesting.")
The Web site has not been suspended - this will require action by the corporate section. Basically they have to be convinced it's not a good *business* move to host a spammer's web site.
The tech. guy said that he can quite believe OtS would send out junk email, and that "they don't really quite 'get' this Net thing." This to me would indicate that real.net.au have had trouble with OtS before.
* 'On The Street' (02-9211 1122; o...@real.com.au): I spoke to Noel Crabbe, the person who actually sent the junk email. He's the publisher of the magazine. (When I said to the receptionist "I want to speak to whatever marketing person thought it was a good idea to send out junk email", they put me through to the right person IMMEDIATELY.)
Noel still thinks it's one of the best things he's ever done. He says he's had six complaint phone calls and fifteen saying it's great and asking to be added to the list.
(The commercial email in question would be fine, *if* it had been solicited. But it wasn't. That's the problem.)
Noel sincerely believes junk email is great because it's much better than wasting trees, and "I don't believe society can run without junk mail." (Actual quote - I got him to stop for a second while I wrote it down.) He went on at length about how he really quite enjoys junk email and finds it useful.
"David - not everyone has *your* view, and I don't agree with your view."
He also denied that they were leaving real.net.au, and said that he had in fact spoken to real.net.au on the phone that morning, before speaking to me - and that they knew what he was doing and didn't object. (I wonder if real.net.au realise this.) He says they've been with real.net.au five years and have a good business relationship.
He took down my email address and said he would be removing it from the list. For now, I do believe him that *I* won't get another junk email from OtS. (Of course, if I ever *do* get another from OtS ...)
Noel says he compiled the list himself, by going to Yahoo and entering 'music directories australia' as the search. I did this and got two music industry directories, neither of which should contain the above email address. (One used to contain the music-junk address, but not this one.) This doesn't explain how the junk ended up in email boxes in the US and Finland, of course.
I just couldn't get across to Noel Crabbe how parasitical unsolicited junk email is, and that I don't dislike commercial email per se (and receive quite a bit - all of which I have *requested*) but only *unsolicited* junk email. And that having my address known anywhere at all isn't an invitation for the receipt of crap.
Oh, and he sincerely thought it made it all right that next week's junk email will include 200 chances to win CDs. He went to some lengths to get this news across to me. Woo.
Moves are afoot in Australia to make junk email illegal. (The best proposed method being an extension of laws against junk faxes to cover junk email.) With sincere business people like Noel Crabbe getting into junk email and thinking it's the finest thing ever, it cannot happen too soon.
To all other sincere business people reading this newsgroup who think just one targeted junk email won't be a problem: it wouldn't on its own. However, if you try it then me and people like me will do everything we can to stop it. The reason being that if one person does it, then in short order LOTS of people will. And I'm not speaking hypothetically - that's the way it progressed in the US. That's why one of my email boxes (one I check weekly) tends to have twenty-five emails in it, twenty-four being junk and only one being actual mail for me.
You're in business - you know that if something can be gotten away with, then some bugger will *take it to the limit* chasing even the shadow of a buck from it. And guess what, there are many junk emailers doing *exactly* that - sending out all the junk they can, as absolutely fast as they can, to the point of causing network congestion. Do you really want to be associated with them? Trust me when I say that you don't.
Have a look at the URLs at the bottom of this message and see how you feel about junk email after reading them.
"Q. Why do we get soooo upset when we receive E-mail which was not requested? There are several reasons:
"The free ride. E-mail spam is unique in that the receiver pays so much more for it than the sender does. For example, AOL has said that they were receiving 1.8 million spams from Cyber Promotions per day until they got a court injunction to stop it. Assuming that it takes the typical AOL user only 10 seconds to identify and discard a message, that's still 5,000 hours per day of connect time per day spent discarding their spam, just on AOL. By contrast, the spammer probably has a T1 line that costs him about $100/day. No other kind of advertising costs the advertiser so little, and the recipient so much. The closest analogy I can think of would be auto-dialing junk phone calls to cellular users; you can imagine how favorably that might be received.
"The 'oceans of spam' problem. Many spam messages say 'please send a REMOVE message to get off our list.' Even disregarding the question of why you should have to do anything to get off a list you never asked to join, this becomes completely impossible if the volume grows. At the moment, most of us only get a few spams per day. But imagine if only 1/10 of 1 % of the users on the Internet decided to send out spam at a moderate rate of 100,000 per day, a rate easily achievable with a dial-up account and a PC. Then everyone would be receiving 100 spams every day. If 1% of users were spamming at that rate, we'd all be getting 1,000 spams per day. Is it reasonable to ask people to send out 100 'remove' messages per day? Hardly. If spam grows, it will crowd our mailboxes to the point that they're not useful for real mail. Users on AOL, which has a lot of trouble with internal spammers, report that they're already nearing this point.
"Email spam targets individual users with direct mail messages. Email spam lists are often created by scanning Usenet postings, stealing Internet mailing lists, or searching the Web for addresses. Email spams typically cost users money out-of-pocket to receive. Many people - anyone with measured phone service - read or receive their mail while the meter is running, so to speak. Spam costs them additional money. On top of that, it costs money for ISPs and online services to transmit spam, and these costs are transmitted directly to subscribers.
"Fraud. Spammers know that more than 90% of recipients don't want to see their messages, and more than half, according to surveys, are positively angered by them. So they use tricks that help disguise the origin of their messages; one of the most common is to relay their messages via someone else's mail server, putting the burden of sending the mail somewhere else, in addition to providing a convenient target for all the angry mail coming back. Another common trick that spammers use is to forge the headers of messages, making it appear as though the message originated elsewhere, again providing a convenient target." [The OtS junk email was sent via real.net.au, but claimed to come via infinet.net.au.]
"Waste of Others' Resources. When a spammer sends an email message to a million people,
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Noel says he compiled the list himself, by going to Yahoo and entering 'music directories australia' as the search.
So where did he get my email address from? I've got _nothing_ to do with music on the web - I don't read any music newsgroups, I don't host any music-related web pages......
Sounds like typical spammer "flexability with the truth". -- Gregory Bond ITG Australia Ltd, Melbourne, Australia <mailto:g...@itga.com.au> <http://www.bby.com.au/~gnb>
In article <wwsov54xlk....@nellie.bby.com.au>, Gregory Bond <g...@itga.com.au> wrote:
>In article <341EE6FB.2...@thingy.apana.org.au> David Gerard ><f...@thingy.apana.org.au> writes:
> Noel says he compiled the list himself, by going to Yahoo and entering > 'music directories australia' as the search.
>So where did he get my email address from? I've got _nothing_ to do >with music on the web - I don't read any music newsgroups, I don't >host any music-related web pages......
Perhaps not, but you probably *do* have one with either the word ``australia'' or ``directories'' on it.
Noel's Yahoo search probably dredged up pages containing
music OR directories OR australia
rather than
music AND directories AND australia
as he intended. Loser. Mind you, spammers don't generally give a damn if their target audience is *larger* than required.
I'll be bringing this OtS spam to the attention of the venues I frequent and the bands I support with a recommendation that they reconsider where their advertising dollar is spent and which papers they accept.
:I'll be bringing this OtS spam to the attention of the venues I :frequent and the bands I support with a recommendation that they :reconsider where their advertising dollar is spent and which papers :they accept.
Don't forget any Internet providers who advertise in it. Do they *really* want to attract spammers?
Also, be sure to get onto Beat and Drum Media about this, so they can distance themselves properly (and get more into said Internet provider advertising market).
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In <341EE6FB.2...@thingy.apana.org.au> David Gerard <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> writes:
>Noel still thinks it's one of the best things he's ever done. He says >he's had six complaint phone calls and fifteen saying it's great and >asking to be added to the list.
Would some kind individual like to send me Noel's Email address, I think I would like to express some of my views directly to him.
>Noel says he compiled the list himself, by going to Yahoo and entering >'music directories australia' as the search. I did this and got two >music industry directories, neither of which should contain the above >email address. (One used to contain the music-junk address, but not this >one.) This doesn't explain how the junk ended up in email boxes in the >US and Finland, of course.
And this I'd like to discuss with Noel as well...
It's a blatant lie, of course. I received my copy of the spam on an Email account I only use for posting to Usenet.
I do have a web site listed on Yahoo that I (used to) maintain, which does even have Australian music businesses listed, but the contact addresses on that site have never pointed at the address I received their spam.
Needless to say On The Street will never be listed on any web sites I happen to have my fingers on.
>Oh, and he sincerely thought it made it all right that next week's junk >email will include 200 chances to win CDs. He went to some lengths to >get this news across to me. Woo.
Oh and inform Noel that if any of his junk gets in my mailbox in Finland offering *anything* free or otherwise, I might not be such a good sport with him any more and "just delete it" regardless if he "share's my view" of junk Email or not.
-TPP -- -- Nanoteknologia: Epämääräinen käsite, joka voi tarkoittaa kotikielessä mitä tahansa ajattelu- tai muuta prosessia, johon tiede ei vielä löydä selitystä. - Jussi Luukkonen (To The Point)
In article <341EE6FB.2...@thingy.apana.org.au>, David Gerard <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> articulated:
>Noel sincerely believes junk email is great because it's much better >than wasting trees, and "I don't believe society can run without junk >mail." (Actual quote - I got him to stop for a second while I wrote it >down.) He went on at length about how he really quite enjoys junk email >and finds it useful.
As the great Yogi Berra once said, "It's deja vu all over again". Either this twit just finished reading the same "How to Make a Fortune on the Internet" book as lil' Sannie Wallace, or else all these types think the same way.
>Noel says he compiled the list himself, by going to Yahoo and entering >'music directories australia' as the search.
<sigh> Wait'll the LART-less jerk discovers Four One One.
>I just couldn't get across to Noel Crabbe how parasitical unsolicited >junk email is
And you never will - his eyes see only dollar signs.
>Moves are afoot in Australia to make junk email illegal. (The best >proposed method being an extension of laws against junk faxes to cover >junk email.) With sincere business people like Noel Crabbe getting into >junk email and thinking it's the finest thing ever, it cannot happen too >soon.
:In <341EE6FB.2...@thingy.apana.org.au> David Gerard <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> writes:
:>Noel still thinks it's one of the best things he's ever done. He says :>he's had six complaint phone calls and fifteen saying it's great and :>asking to be added to the list. :Would some kind individual like to send me Noel's Email address, :I think I would like to express some of my views directly to him.
You might also like to write to postmas...@real.net.au
Noel said to me (reading from the notes I took during the call), regarding real.net.au: "They are fully aware of what we have done, I spoke to them this morning. They are fine with what we've done."
If this is *TRUE* then real.net.au are knowingly harbouring a spammer.
If it is *FALSE*, then real.net.au should really stop OtS from saying stuff like this in case someone believes it.
Since I *still* have had no actual response from real.net.au, this one is cc'd to postmaster there too. Yo. You guys alive or anything?
(Perhaps someone else could get onto real.net.au - phone (02) 9212 4900 - and speak to someone who can make a definite statement. Be sure to get a name like I didn't.)
:>Noel says he compiled the list himself, by going to Yahoo and entering :>'music directories australia' as the search. I did this and got two :>music industry directories, neither of which should contain the above :>email address. (One used to contain the music-junk address, but not this :>one.) This doesn't explain how the junk ended up in email boxes in the :>US and Finland, of course.
:And this I'd like to discuss with Noel as well... :It's a blatant lie, of course. I received my copy of the spam on :an Email account I only use for posting to Usenet.
Someone else in the US who emailed me said he received it at old and new email addresses; he's never had anything to do with music either.
:I do have a web site listed on Yahoo that I (used to) maintain, which :does even have Australian music businesses listed, but the contact addresses :on that site have never pointed at the address I received their spam. :Needless to say On The Street will never be listed on any web sites :I happen to have my fingers on.
Oh, I think they'd be well worth listing. As lying spamming scum. Don't forget to include all evidence, then dare them to sue you.
:>Oh, and he sincerely thought it made it all right that next week's junk :>email will include 200 chances to win CDs. He went to some lengths to :>get this news across to me. Woo. :Oh and inform Noel that if any of his junk gets in my mailbox :in Finland offering *anything* free or otherwise, I might not be such a :good sport with him any more and "just delete it" regardless if he :"share's my view" of junk Email or not.
This posting cc'd to postmas...@real.net.au and o...@infinet.net.au.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:05:19 +1000, David J N Begley <da...@avarice.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote: :On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, David Gerard wrote:
:> Moves are afoot in Australia to make junk email illegal. (The best :> proposed method being an extension of laws against junk faxes to cover :That's the U.S.A. - in Australia, there's very little being done legally. :I've written to people at DoCA, Fair Trading, Privacy Committee, &c. and :they all say, "wait for privacy laws". Are privacy laws on the way? :Nope.
I understood that some WAIA people (Paul McCutcheon is a name that comes to mind) were at work on this. Perhaps I'm completely wrong.
Whatever - there's no reason for EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU who hates junk email to write to Senator Alston asking him to outlaw Junk Email as a Theft of Resources.
A properly-formatted letter will be taken as much notice of as a fax or posted letter would, *if* the recipient's e-mail is working *and* they know how to work it.
Write your letters in plain text - *not* HTML (check that your e-mail program is not set to send HTML), and *not* as an MS Word .DOC or .RTF file attachment. If you can't get your point across in three or four paragraphs of simple and direct plain text, no fancy formatting will do you any good.
One useful approach is to fax *and* e-mail letters - this may get them to find out how to access their e-mail, so as to delete the extra copy. (I tend to use this myself.)
Be sure to format your e-mail *exactly* like a posted letter - do NOT use the casual style of most e-mail. Remember that anyone important reading it will probably read it as a printout.
"If you're going to email a newspaper (letter to the editor) or a pollie, or a senate inquiry etc, make sure to include your full name, residential address and daytime contact phone number. If you don't, it is not a verifiable source and gets ditched unread." (Dave Fitch)
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In <341EE6FB.2...@thingy.apana.org.au> David Gerard <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
>Noel still thinks it's one of the best things he's ever done. He says >he's had six complaint phone calls and fifteen saying it's great and >asking to be added to the list.
>Noel sincerely believes junk email is great because it's much better >than wasting trees, and "I don't believe society can run without junk >mail."
Really? Noel, Noel, Noel. Every bit of junk mail I and most people I know receive, whether it be email or in my conventional letterbox, is summarily trashed/burnt/deleted without being given more than a glance. Obviously society needs this. Keeps all those delivery droids in work when they'd otherwise be out there being useful, or something...
>He went on at length about how he really quite enjoys junk email >and finds it useful.
>"David - not everyone has *your* view, and I don't agree with your >view."
Sounds like an Australian version of "Spamford" Wallace already...
>Noel says he compiled the list himself, by going to Yahoo and entering >'music directories australia' as the search.
If I'm in one, I didn't put myself there. I'll check later. He's probably pulling addresses off aus.music as well. Hi Noel. :-P
>that's the way it progressed in the US. That's why one of my email boxes >(one I check weekly) tends to have twenty-five emails in it, twenty-four >being junk and only one being actual mail for me.
The address from which I post this gets about 200 emails a day. Usually, ALL of them are junk mail. I've been offered religion, sex, sex with minors, pictures of sex with minors, guns, drugs, easy means of avoiding the IRS, more religion, a personal visit from Jesus Christ in a holographic pendant, the opportunity to buy land in Idaho, and a handful of thinly disguised threats a la chain letters.
It's already gone too far - I don't bother putting NOSPAM etc etc in my email address, as there's no point - my address is already out there being traded by dickhead "businessmen" and offered for sale, and there's nothing I can do about it.
To see a local street paper resort to unsolicited subscriptions - whether or not the content is actually wanted - is disappointing and disheartening.
To Noel, if you're reading: if junk email is so essential, how is it that Beat Magazine have never used it, despite having been online for a substantially longer time than OTS? Hmm? :-)
I actually found it quite amusing that OTS put a journalist from one of the former competitor papers to their ill-fated six-week Melbourne issue on their mailing list. Ta for the inside info. :-)
- Anthony
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In article <341EE6FB.2...@thingy.apana.org.au>, David Gerard
<f...@thingy.apana.org.au> wrote: > [Crossposted to news.admin.net-abuse.misc, aus.net.mail (junk email), > aus.music (music paper), aus.media-watch (the media promoting itself > through junk email).]
> Got the junk yesterday (see 'Australia: real.net.au/infinet.net.au' > thread in news.admin.net-abuse.email and aus.net.mail). So I decided I'd > give a phone call to real.net.au, infinet.net.au, and the junk emailers > themselves, 'On The Street' magazine.
NOEL CRABBE, publisher of On The Street, can be contacted out of office hours at:
His physical home address
Noel F Crabbe 4 Calabash Road Arcadia NSW
Home Phone 9655 1617 Cell Phone 041 447 3005
If you feel you have been spammed and want to remind him of the privacy of email addresses, the choice is up to you.
Cheers
PHIL TRIPP
-- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ PHIL TRIPP IMMEDIA! SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA _/ _/ Email: tr...@immedia.com.au Home Page http://www.immedia.com.au _/ _/ Mail address: 20 Hordern Street Newtown NSW 2042 AUSTRALIA _/ _/ Phone (02) 9557 7766 FAX:(02) 9557 7788 Mobile (041) 226667 _/ _/ Creators of the Australasian Music Industry Directories and _/ _/ Australian Sports Industry Directory. Home of IMMEDIA! PR _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
The black van with black windows rolls up. Four men in black step out and run up the drive of one of the houses. They smash open the door and disappear inside. To a careful listener, the distinctive sound of socks full of jelly striking flesh can be heard.
"So, you think jumk email is okay do you?" Splat! Splat!
After fifty seconds, the men emerge, jump in their car and disappear in a screech of tyres and black smoke. Another junk emailler has "paid the penalty".
Received just now from Arturo Larizza of RealNet: ================================================= Dear Murray.
Please be assured that we do not condone the transmission of unsolicited bulk email from our servers. Noel Crabbe has been informed of this and understands that further breaches of this condition will result in termination of his account.
:> Got the junk yesterday (see 'Australia: real.net.au/infinet.net.au' :> thread in news.admin.net-abuse.email and aus.net.mail). So I decided I'd :> give a phone call to real.net.au, infinet.net.au, and the junk emailers :> themselves, 'On The Street' magazine.
:NOEL CRABBE, publisher of On The Street, can be contacted out of office :hours at: :His physical home address :Noel F Crabbe :4 Calabash Road :Arcadia NSW :Home Phone 9655 1617 :Cell Phone 041 447 3005 :If you feel you have been spammed and want to remind him of the privacy of :email addresses, the choice is up to you.
For those outside the Australian Music Industry: Phil Tripp is a pretty notable figure in it as well, publisher of the Australian Music Industry Directory and runs a recruitment firm, Music Staff.
What this means is that OtS's business is now getting affected by this junk emailing. Which is fine by me - maybe they'll 'get it'.
I'm not going to call the above numbers, or send anyone around; nor would I recommend that others do so, at all. Instead, I would suggest that if you want to discuss the matter with Mr Crabbe, you do so at his *business* number, as listed in the junk email: 02-9211 1122. Or, if you're outside Australia, +61 2 9211 1122. And grit your teeth and be polite.
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:Received just now from Arturo Larizza of RealNet: :================================================= :Dear Murray. :Please be assured that we do not condone the transmission of unsolicited :bulk email from our servers. Noel Crabbe has been informed of this and :understands that further breaches of this condition will result in :termination of his account. :Kind regards, :Arturo. :=================================================
Sounds great. I might send my full complaint file to real.net.au and infinet.net.au (where they STILL have an account) for comment. Maybe they just don't like me.
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: The address from which I post this gets about 200 emails a day. Usually, ALL : of them are junk mail. I've been offered religion, sex, sex with minors, : pictures of sex with minors, guns, drugs, easy means of avoiding the IRS, : more religion, a personal visit from Jesus Christ in a holographic pendant, : the opportunity to buy land in Idaho, and a handful of thinly disguised : threats a la chain letters.
You mean you didn;t get the one offering he opportunity to buy a land claim on Mars :) It's the only spam I've ever bothered to keep and only becuase it is so whacked out it was amusing.
: Noel's Yahoo search probably dredged up pages containing
: music OR directories OR australia
: rather than
: music AND directories AND australia
: as he intended. Loser. Mind you, spammers don't generally give a : damn if their target audience is *larger* than required.
Maybe that's why I got it. I have a link to an e-mail pal in Australia on a few of my web pages. I'll have to look in Yahoo under "Australia" and see if my site comes up.
I registered my site with Yahoo's "People" section but my site never showed up there the last time I checked.
-- Norman De Forest http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Profile.html af...@chebucto.ns.ca [=||=] (A Speech Friendly Site) ......................................................................... Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, ignorance or apathy? A. I don't know and I couldn't care less. ......................................................................... Spammers, see: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Profile.html#Contact
Gibson H R (c9416...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au) wrote: : Anthony Horan (anth...@xymox.apana.org.au) wrote: : : The address from which I post this gets about 200 emails a day. Usually, ALL : : of them are junk mail. I've been offered religion, sex, sex with minors, : : pictures of sex with minors, guns, drugs, easy means of avoiding the IRS, : : more religion, a personal visit from Jesus Christ in a holographic pendant, : : the opportunity to buy land in Idaho, and a handful of thinly disguised : : threats a la chain letters.
: You mean you didn;t get the one offering he opportunity to buy a land : claim on Mars :) It's the only spam I've ever bothered to keep and only : becuase it is so whacked out it was amusing.
I got that one in Canada. I didn't bother responding to that one. I was too busy with more serious spam.
I wonder ....
What's the Martian equivalent to Florida swampland?
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> Gibson H R (c9416...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au) wrote: > : Anthony Horan (anth...@xymox.apana.org.au) wrote: <snip>
> I wonder ....
> What's the Martian equivalent to Florida swampland?
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It's gotta be beachfront property along one of the predominant canals... ; )
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