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Mike Andrews  
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 More options Oct 24 2006, 10:33 am
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
From: "Mike Andrews" <mi...@mikea.ath.cx>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:33:09 GMT
Local: Tues, Oct 24 2006 10:33 am
Subject: Re: SPEWS: S2955 IP range attributed to an entity no longer hosted
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:36:09 GMT, nicknomo <nickn...@gmail.com> wrote in <1161698859.944380.214...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>:

> 65.217.202.11 and .16 are servers that send mail.
> 65.217.202.0 /24  Is part of a larger pool being labelled as Atriks.com
> (a known spammer).
> This is no longer the case.  Two months ago, I acquired this entire
> class C for my domain (on 3 year term).
> considering I fall at the top of the listed IP range, it would seem
> reasonable to delist me.  Oddly enough, I am from a Verizon business
> service, and because of various listings in this range, verizon.net is
> apparently using Spews to block my email.  Hows that for Irony?
> Anyways, this is really effecting business, since we've inherited an
> entry in a blacklist.  If we can be removed, I'd appreciate it.

The relevant lines from the SPEWS record you cite are these:

A   1, 65.217.174.0 - 65.217.184.255, UUNet (atriks.com / "News Bulletin Services")
B   1, 65.217.164.0 - 65.217.194.255, UUNet (atriks.com / "News Bulletin Services")
C   2, 65.217.154.0 - 65.217.204.255, UUNet (atriks.com / "News Bulletin Services")

Apparently Atriks has moved into a different part of UUNet space:

UUNET Technologies, Inc. UUNET65-2 (NET-65-240-0-0-1)
                                  65.240.0.0 - 65.253.255.255
ATRIKS UU-65-246-138-112-D4 (NET-65-246-138-112-1)
                                  65.246.138.112 - 65.246.138.127

It's still UUNet, though, and I judge that ATRIKS was being hindered
enough by its various listings that it asked for a new address space.
That's _NOT_ a reason to delist their old space, as long as it's still
UUNet: UUNet is playing a shell game, and you've been leased damaged
goods.

So now your mail is being blocked by Verizon because it comes from a
SPEWS-listed netblock. If Verizon is using SPEWS as part of its
defensive armament, then I'm surprised, but that happens a lot in this
business. That should give you some idea of how ATRIKS is viewed by
folks who deal with E-mail for a living.

You write "considering I fall at the top of the listed IP range". Why
would that make any difference to SPEWS?

I see that 65.217.202.0/24 now is SWIPPed to

Cancos Tile Corp.
   1085 Portion Rd.
   Farmingville, NY 11738
   US

   Domain Name: CANCOS.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Valva, Mark               mva...@cancos.com
      Cancos Tile
      1085 Portion Rd.
      Farmingville, NY 11738
      US
      631-736-0770

   Technical Contact:
      User, Remove              b...@void.com
      Tokunaga, Tetsushi
      1-51-1 Hatsudai Shibuya-ku
      Tokyo, Tokyo 34471
      JP
      +81 3-5358-3601 fax: 999 999 9999

That's an interesting technical contact you have there, even though
it's a side issue. Care to comment?

The main issue is that ATRIKS has polluted that IP space, and since
UUNet still is hosting ATRIKS in UUNet IP space, the listing probably
will stand -- until UUNet chases ATRIKS away, I suspect, and that is
likely to happen only when the checks stop clearing.

The secondary issue here is that UUNet is listed at this point, though
only at level 2. I'm surprised that you're being affected by a level
2 listing: I hadn't expected enough people to use it that it would be
a hindrance.

In any event, since UUNet is listed and you're not, you need to get
UUNet to take action to get the listing lifted. That action most
probably needs to be UUNet getting rid of its spammers.

You can take actions, too, but your choices are more limited:

1. Convince UUNet to drop all the spammers they host. Once
   there are no more spammers on this part of the internet, SPEWS
   is very likely to delist the IP space you use. Good luck.
2. Change to a more reputable provider that is not listed in SPEWS
   or other blacklists. Post a timetable for the move and SPEWS might
   even cut a temporary hole for you.
3. Smart-host outgoing mail. Disadvantage: You'll still pay money to
   a spam-supporting company.
4. Ask your recipients to whitelist you. Disadvantage as above.
5. Live with the SPEWS listing. Disadvantage as above.

--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mi...@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin

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