"Stupid groups" and other oversights. (Removal)

[sp...@uce.gov]

The following consists of lists of commands (for INN) to fix certain
problems in the "isc.org" sample active file. Every administrator should
review the list before blindly executing the commands - to make certain that
a wanted group is not removed.

First, moderated groups that say they are but aren't marked as such:

ctlinnd changegroup alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych =alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated
ctlinnd changegroup alt.bbs.telegard.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.boston.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.breast-implant.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.collecting.beanie-babies.discussion.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.comedy.standup.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.config.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.control.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.dk.psykologi.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.drugs.psychedelics.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.flame.sports-suck.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.freedom.of.speech.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.games.creatures.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.games.diablo2.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.genius.bill-palmer.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.linux.storage.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.music.jethro-tull.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.notary.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.parenting.spanking.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.patent-pending.dave-and-natasha.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.patent-pending.natasha-and-dave.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.prisons.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.rosicrucian.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.sci.relativistic-proof-of-god.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.sounds.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.support.arthritis.spondyloarthro.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.support.ciggyfree.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.support.dying-well.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.support.pro-life.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.support.tourette.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.talk.prisons.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup alt.tv.my-s-c-life =alt.tv.so-called-life
ctlinnd changegroup alt.tv.saved-bell =alt.tv.saved-by-the-bell
ctlinnd changegroup alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy =alt.fan.itchy-n-scratchy
ctlinnd changegroup alt.video.avid_editors =alt.video.avid-editors
ctlinnd changegroup alt.xyz.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup free.fr.rec.sport.football.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup free.it.fan.sliders.moderated m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.topic.info.systems.year2000 m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.documents m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.reports m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.admin m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.groups m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.questions m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.software m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.test n
ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.admin m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.groups m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.questions m
ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.software m
ctlinnd changegroup linux.admin.news m
ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat m
ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.devel m
ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.install m
ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.misc m
ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.ppp m
ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.rpm m

Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random characters.
NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)

ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall-is-a-bowl-of-piss
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.animals
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.beer
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.bites-the-dust
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.cats
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.dogs
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.e-cards
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.froth
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.god
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.horses
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.igloo
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.jackass
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.kingpin
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.liar
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.mozzerella-stick
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.nancy-boy
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.opera
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.purple-nurple
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.quiff
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.rolex
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.sour-puss
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.tits
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.uma-thurman
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.venus-flytrap
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.washed-up
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.xbox
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.yes
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0a.fred-hall.zz-top
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.0ssp
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.12step.cuckold.jaime-de-castellvi
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.12step.cuckold.jaime-decastellvi
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.12step.pedo.derek-mcmurray
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.12step.sadomasochism.thewitch-dragon
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.8z76
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.a
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.a-cumbucket-known-as-spooge
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.a.ff
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.a.s
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aaaaaa
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aac
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.children.whatisa-pedophile
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.al-qaida.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.al-qaida.keith-wigdor
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.hamas.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.hizbollah.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.islamic-jihad.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.islamic-jihad.keith-wigdor
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.pflp.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.activism.groups.plo.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-h-kerman.config
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-hotz
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config.inflated-sense-of-self-worth
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config.inflated-sense-of-self-worth.tries-to-b-teh-boss
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config.k00ks-out-over
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config.k00ks-out-over.liberalminded-using
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config.k00ks-out-over.liberalminded-using.brian-reid-nym
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config.k00ks-out-over.liberalminded-using.brian-reid-nym.when-all-know-it
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-in-alt-config.k00ks-out-over.liberalminded-using.brian-reid-nym.when-all-know-it.is-me
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-learn-to-read
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adam-learn-to-read.headers
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adjective
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adjective.noun.verb.verb
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.adolf-shithead
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aeffle
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aeffle.und
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.af
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.af.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.af.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ai.py.p.v.n.vfi.gugesmu.v.h.nbho.pw
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aids.infected.drug.addict.robert-f-golaszewski
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alan.c.sanderson.looks.like.a.dork
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alarm.bettywindsor
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alcatroll
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alcatroll.is-now-indignitas
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alcatroll.now-known-as-indignitas
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alcatroll.snuh
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alcatroll.snuh.snuh
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alex-cain.racist.troll
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alex.argues
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alex.argues.with
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alex.argues.with.maximum
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alex.argues.with.maximum.illumination
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alex.boaretto
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ali.howell.is.tidy
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.flippant.little
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.flippant.little.fucknozzle
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.flippant.little.fucknozzle.lady-di
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.flippant.little.fucknozzle.peter-j-ross
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.flippant.little.fucknozzle.ryan-seacrest
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.snuh
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.snuh.flonk
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.snuh.flonk.flonk
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.biff
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.biff.biff
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.clang
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.clang.honk
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.clang.honk.tweet
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.flonk.en
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.flonk.en.fag
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.un-flonk
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.mason.michael.jenkins
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.snuh
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.snuh.snuh
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alien.vampire.snuh.snuh.flonk
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.als.zelfhulpgroep.be
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt.binaries.pictures.plaatjes
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt.binaries.pictures.wallpaper.tiles
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt.life.the-universe.and-everything
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt.music.g-fibbers
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt.pinwheel.is.the.man
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt.spamtrap
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.alt.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia-news-server.going-going-gone
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia-news-server.please-sale-it-cc
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia-news-server.was-the-best
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia-news-server.was-the-best.now-sucks-like
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia-news-server.was-the-best.now-sucks-like.the-rest
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.i-know-we-have
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.no
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.no.troll-like
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.no.troll-like.stuff
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.no.troll-like.stuff.allowed
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.please
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.please.crosspost
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.please.crosspost.responsibly
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.please.crosspost.responsibly.that
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.please.crosspost.responsibly.that.means
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.please.crosspost.responsibly.that.means.no
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.altopia.please.crosspost.responsibly.that.means.no.cascading
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.am
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.am.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.am.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.amanda.g.is.a.superstar
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ameritech.jim.bayless.must.perish
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.amiga.software.pirate.bernd-bernie.meyer
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.an
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.an.iets.met.orlando.en.borsato
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.an.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.an.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anal.retentive.freddie-holtz
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.angst.upc
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.angst.xibo.sex
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anonymous.messages.luciferslegion
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anonymous.messages.skuznet
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anonymous.servers.cotse-com
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.aratzio
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.art-deco
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.cujo
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.gary-burnore
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.kadaitcha-man
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.kevin-a-cannon
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.meat-plow
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.peter-j-ross
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.answers.auk.fred-hall.sean-monaghan
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anti-america.keith-wigdor
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anti-semite.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anyone.can.make.a.group
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.anyone.can.make.a.group.part.deux
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aol.should.have.crossposting
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.apews.blockspam
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.apews.jamie-is-a-spamtard
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ar
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ar.av.hxr.h.kxuvj
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ar.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ar.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aratzio.defends-bob-officer
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aratzio.owned-by.viking+uni+nunya-bidness
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arc
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arc.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arc.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.dowap
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.dowap.loves-giving-rimjobs
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.dowap.loves-giving-rimjobs.lick
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.dowap.loves-giving-rimjobs.lick.slurp
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.harry-bloomfield
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.keith-wigdor
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.keith-wigdor.aka
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.keith-wigdor.aka.jbenway
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arse-bandit.keith-wigdor.aka.jbenway.prefers
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.art-deco.owned-by.nightbat+double-a+honest-john
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.art-deco.should-foad
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.bujinkan.hayes_is_gay
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.barbaras-cat
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.dennis-hammes
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.fred-hall
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.gary-gamble
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.j-r-sherman
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.michael-cook
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.peter-j-ross
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.arts.poetry.comments.trolls.veronica-odonoghue
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asenbo.robd
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ass.assinate.me
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ass.lost-and-found
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.dowap
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.flaag
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.flaag.teh-faag
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.jet
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.peter-j-ross
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.peter-j-ross.the-black-doctor-guy-on-er
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.sean-monaghan
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.sean-monaghan.fnvw
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.sean-monaghan.fnvw.impeach
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.sean-monaghan.fnvw.recall
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.starshine-moonbeam
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshat.trippy
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole-factory.dowap
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole-factory.hackers.malicious
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole-factory.keith-wigdor
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.al-gore
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.alan-connor
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.art-deco
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.chadwick-stone
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.cujo-desockpuppet
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.factory.hackers.malicious
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.fred-hall
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.george-w-bush
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.george.w.bush
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.imperial-leader
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.kevin-a-cannon
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.lisa-horton
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.michael-d-phoenix
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.montgomery-wood
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.reinhold.aman
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.roger-wiseman
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.roger.frego
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.sean-monaghan
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.asshole.smallfoot
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ast
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ast.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ast.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.astrology.cujo
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.astrology.metapsych.cujo
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.astrology.toadology
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.astronomy.art-deco
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.atheism.illogical-fuckwits
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.att.g
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.auk
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.auk-spank
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.auktards.spank-spank-spank
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.auletta.auletta
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aus.bonehead.dawn-mcgatney.bloody.convict.bitch
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aus.bonehead.jimo-ngygook.bulletstopper.poofter
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.aus.bonehead.joey-thoi
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.avq.vfsgymf.bp.crtblb
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.avraham-leibovitch.is.a.dribbling.goomer
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.awty.cps.cksbs.bje
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ay
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ay.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ay.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.b.gixr.di.bjb.pvx.gf.s.f.ir.fe.g
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.b.moylan.needle.prick.the.bug-fucker
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.b.n
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.b.o.go.vqom
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.b.zij
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.backpeddler.art-deco
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bad.personal-hygiene.jay-denebeim
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bainaries.pictures.lolita.fucking
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bald.clams.mike-soja
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.baldspot.ernietalk
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard-cassanova
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard-cassanova.dowap
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard-cassanova.harry-bloomfield
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard-cassanova.harry-bloomfield.chicks-and-geese
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard.cassanova
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard.cassanova.dowap
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard.cassanova.harry-bloomfield
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard.cassanova.paul-heslop
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard.cassanova.paul-heslop.oink
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.barnyard.cassanova.paul-heslop.oink.baaaa
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bbs.daryl.hunt.is.an.idiot
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bbt.z.b.bq
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beam-me-up
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beam-me-up.scotty
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beam-me-up.scotty.there-is-no
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beam-me-up.scotty.there-is-no.intelligent-life
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beam-me-up.scotty.there-is-no.intelligent-life.down-here
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beam-me-up.scotty.there-is-no.intelligent-life.down-here.on
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bedoper
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bedwetters.james-spoon
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bedwetters.mikey-clifford
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beenz
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beeotch.jay-denebeim
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beer.alt
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.beer.like-molson-eh
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bel
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bel.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bel.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bfg.q.k
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bg
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bg.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bg.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.bob-and-carol.pedo-posts-only
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.fuck.cloggie
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.fuckfilms
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.6yearolds.fucking
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage.pedophilia.ornithophilia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.fuck.betharnold
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.fuckpix
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female.fuck
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.fuck
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.fucking
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bitch.at.mortica
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bitch.christina-eijkhout
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bitch.to.a.chimp.montgomery-wood
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bl.pts.kluhpc.p.l
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bl.v.bi
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.blah-blah.burgers
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.ble
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloaf
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloated
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloated.farting
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloated.farting.beans
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloated.farting.beans.give-me-gas
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloated.farting.beans.give-me-gas.dont-light-a
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloated.farting.beans.give-me-gas.dont-light-a.match
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bloated.farting.give-me-gas
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.blobbi.veteran-cunt
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.blowitoutyourass.john-corliss
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bn
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bn.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bn.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bo
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bo.test
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bo.wikipedia
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bob-officer
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bob-officer.taunts-the-mentally-challenged
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bobbiespage.com
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bobflamingo
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bobflamingo.isa
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bobflamingo.isa.asshole
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.andy-banta
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.andy-manning
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.anti-rush
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.bill-palmer
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.boaby-robbo58
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.brian-mc-clellan
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.bruce-watson
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.captain-bligh
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.chris.caputo.censorious.bastard
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.chris.caputo.censorious.cretin
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.clayton-oneill
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.daniel-joseph-min
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.daniel-min
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.dr-turi
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.evul
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.gary.burnore
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.geoff-miller
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.gruppenschnitzer
ctlinnd rmgroup alt.bonehead.gwbush
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ctlinnd rmgroup free.james-worthington.from.the-duck-hospital
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ctlinnd rmgroup free.james-worthington.from.the.duck-hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james-worthington.from.the.duck.hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington-from-the.duck-hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington-from-the.duck.hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington-from.the-duck-hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington-from.the-duck.hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington-from.the.duck-hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington-from.the.duck.hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington.from-the-duck.hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington.from-the.duck-hospital
ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington.from-the.duck.hospital
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ctlinnd rmgroup free.james.worthington.from.the-duck.hospital
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ctlinnd rmgroup free.vgn.fw.gyxnax
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ctlinnd rmgroup free.xp.cp.ejpgdw
ctlinnd rmgroup free.ystbybtatr
ctlinnd rmgroup free.z.r.t

--- END

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.config on Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC), <sp...@uce.gov>
<sp...@uce.gov> wrote:

> The following consists of lists of commands (for INN) to fix certain
> problems in the "isc.org" sample active file. Every administrator should
> review the list before blindly executing the commands - to make certain that
> a wanted group is not removed.

<...>

> Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random characters.

<...>

> ctlinnd rmgroup alt.religion.kibology

Ahem!

--
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[D. Stussy]

"Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message news:slrngi2md...@pjr.motzarella.org...

> In alt.config on Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC), <sp...@uce.gov>
> <sp...@uce.gov> wrote:
>
> > The following consists of lists of commands (for INN) to fix certain
> > problems in the "isc.org" sample active file. Every administrator should
> > review the list before blindly executing the commands - to make certain that
> > a wanted group is not removed.
>
> <...>
>
> > Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random characters.
>
> <...>
>
> > ctlinnd rmgroup alt.religion.kibology
>
> Ahem!

So? It's not a real religion. Even if it were, I didn't claim that the list was mistake free.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.config on Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:09:20 -0800, D. Stussy
<sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:

It's a real newsgroup, and it has plenty of traffic. And Usenet
without kibology wouldn't be complete.

> Even if it were, I didn't claim that the list was mistake free.

I drew your attention to the mistake so you could fix it next time.

Other groups on your list that aren't revenge groups or groups whose
names contain random characters are

alt.alcatroll
alt.fan.pjr
alt.troll.dangerous.pjr

And I find it odd that alt.snuh is on your list but not
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk. The flonkers are nice people and
the snuhers are scum, but such value-judgements may not belong in such
a list.

I hope other people will give your list the attention it deserves.
After some further peer-review, it could be very useful. Thanks for
compiling it. I think it needs further revision, and meanwhile needs
to be presented as a draft, not any kind of authoritative list, but
it's a good start.

[D. Stussy]

"Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message news:slrngi3qd...@pjr.motzarella.org...

> In alt.config on Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:09:20 -0800, D. Stussy <sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> > "Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message news:slrngi2md...@pjr.motzarella.org...
> >> In alt.config on Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC), <sp...@uce.gov>

I note that the f.f.f group would be deleted automatically by using the appropriate actsync parameter that eliminates groups with
the last 3 elements the same. Therefore, it doesn't have to appear on the list for manual deletion (if one uses the correct
options).

[Steve]

["Followup-To:" header set to news.admin.misc.]
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC), <sp...@uce.gov> wrote in
Message-Id: <gfqn62$jsd$1...@uce.gov>:

> Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random characters.
> NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)

Nice list! Thanks, that must have taken considerable time to compile.

One question:
If I action all those rmgroups, are they just going to get reinserted
again the next time I run actsync?

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uid Steven Crook <st...@mixmin.net>

[Peter J Ross]

In news.groups on Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC), Steve
<st...@mixmin.net> wrote:

> ["Followup-To:" header set to news.admin.misc.]

Thx. I read NAM.

> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC), <sp...@uce.gov> wrote in
> Message-Id: <gfqn62$jsd$1...@uce.gov>:
>
>> Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random characters.
>> NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)
>
> Nice list! Thanks, that must have taken considerable time to compile.

There are probably some errors in the list. D. Stussy's list is the best I've
seen, but it isn't usable in its present form. He wants you to delete
alt.religion.kibology and alt.troll.dangerous.pjr, both of which are groups I
sometimes read.

> One question:
> If I action all those rmgroups, are they just going to get reinserted
> again the next time I run actsync?

I suggest ignoring all alt.* rmgroups. There are better ways of
deciding which alt.* groups to carry.

For instance, one could read the alt.* newgroup and rmgroup
messages, and create or delete alt.* groups accordingly.

[D. Stussy]

"Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message

news:slrngl033...@pjr.motzarella.org...

> In news.groups on Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC), Steve
> <st...@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
> > ["Followup-To:" header set to news.admin.misc.]
>
> Thx. I read NAM.
>
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC), <sp...@uce.gov> wrote in
> > Message-Id: <gfqn62$jsd$1...@uce.gov>:
> >
> >> Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random
characters.
> >> NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)
> >
> > Nice list! Thanks, that must have taken considerable time to
compile.
>
> There are probably some errors in the list. D. Stussy's list is the
best I've
> seen, but it isn't usable in its present form. He wants you to
delete
> alt.religion.kibology and alt.troll.dangerous.pjr, both of which are
groups I
> sometimes read.

I still believe that a.r.kibology is a bogus group - in that there's
apparently no discussion of religion. I have considered leaving ONE
place for the misfits - the alt.usenet.kookologist.* subhierarchy.
That's why I intentionally brought attention to the auk inclusion.
However, I did say that this was just my opinion - and that perhaps
not all admins would agree.

> > One question:
> > If I action all those rmgroups, are they just going to get
reinserted
> > again the next time I run actsync?

You may, if the source you are comparing against lists them.

[Tim Skirvin]

"D. Stussy" <sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:

> I still believe that a.r.kibology is a bogus group - in that there's
> apparently no discussion of religion.

That decision was enough to make me not be interested in following
your recommended removals. Your goals and work are admirable, but I feel
that I would have to check every change in order to be safe.

- Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
--
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http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/archives/ Skirv's Archives

[D. Stussy]

"Tim Skirvin" <tski...@killfile.org> wrote in message
news:tskirvin.20081223075117$59...@vulture.killfile.org...

> "D. Stussy" <sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:
> > I still believe that a.r.kibology is a bogus group - in that
there's
> > apparently no discussion of religion.
>
> That decision was enough to make me not be interested in
following
> your recommended removals. Your goals and work are admirable, but I
feel
> that I would have to check every change in order to be safe.

Why? Just what is the group about? There's no such religion, so why
isn't it bogus?

[Tim Skirvin]

"D. Stussy" <sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:

>>> I still believe that a.r.kibology is a bogus group - in that there's
>>> apparently no discussion of religion.

>> That decision was enough to make me not be interested in
>> following your recommended removals. Your goals and work are
>> admirable, but I feel that I would have to check every change in order
>> to be safe.

> Why? Just what is the group about? There's no such religion, so why
> isn't it bogus?

Kibology is, to me, much like the Church of the Flying Spaghetti
Monster - a shared joke that got rather big and took on a life of its own.
I've seen references to it in all sorts of weird places - some Shadowrun
source books, for instance. It may not meet a regular definition of
"religion", perhaps, but that doesn't make it bogus.

alt.religion.kibology is also one of the most prominent examples
of Usenet culture, which almost gives it a free pass in my book. I could
argue that groups like alt.fan.karl-malden.nose are just as culturally
relevant, but that's at least balanced by the damage its regulars have
caused in various places.

[Peter J Ross]

In news.admin.misc on Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:51:17 -0800, Tim Skirvin
<tski...@killfile.org> wrote:

> "D. Stussy" <sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:
>
>> I still believe that a.r.kibology is a bogus group - in that there's
>> apparently no discussion of religion.
>
> That decision was enough to make me not be interested in following
> your recommended removals. Your goals and work are admirable, but I feel
> that I would have to check every change in order to be safe.

Unusually, I agree with you.

I suspect D. Stussy of being Xibo's sockpuppet.

If not, D. Stussy should start reading here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibology

The day ARK is widely rmgrouped will be the day that Usenet tradition
dies.

> - Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)

Please fix your .sig.

Meow.

[Peter J Ross]

In news.admin.misc on Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:08:18 -0800, Tim Skirvin
<tski...@killfile.org> wrote:

> "D. Stussy" <sp...@bde-arc.ampr.org> writes:
>
>>>> I still believe that a.r.kibology is a bogus group - in that there's
>>>> apparently no discussion of religion.
>
>>> That decision was enough to make me not be interested in
>>> following your recommended removals. Your goals and work are
>>> admirable, but I feel that I would have to check every change in order
>>> to be safe.
>
>> Why? Just what is the group about? There's no such religion, so why
>> isn't it bogus?
>
> Kibology is, to me, much like the Church of the Flying Spaghetti
> Monster -

Speaking as a Pastafarian, I can assure you that we have no church.
THE MAN likes to persecute us, so we meet secretly in CATA-COMBS, where
we ritually COMB our sacred CATA for a few minutes before visiting the
nearest pub for a few pints of ale.

> a shared joke that got rather big and took on a life of its own.
> I've seen references to it in all sorts of weird places - some Shadowrun
> source books, for instance. It may not meet a regular definition of
> "religion", perhaps, but that doesn't make it bogus.

D. Stussy is just a bigot! :-)

> alt.religion.kibology is also one of the most prominent examples
> of Usenet culture, which almost gives it a free pass in my book. I could
> argue that groups like alt.fan.karl-malden.nose are just as culturally
> relevant, but that's at least balanced by the damage its regulars have
> caused in various places.

The 'Nose is dead anyway, but ARK isn't.

> - Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)

Fix it. (You know what I want you to fix.)

--
PJR :-)

Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?

[Igenlode]

<sp...@uce.gov> wrote in message <gfqn62$jsd$1...@uce.gov>

> The following consists of lists of commands (for INN) to fix certain
> problems in the "isc.org" sample active file. Every administrator should
> review the list before blindly executing the commands - to make certain that
> a wanted group is not removed.

[snip]

> Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random characters.
> NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)

[snip]
>
> ctlinnd rmgroup alt.test.signature

Well, I use this one, for a start. Not that my latest attempt (Subject:
Tutti-frutti / Date: 12 Jan 2009) seems to have made it successfully
into the group, but I'm still testing...

Some of the alt.tv and alt.pets groups listed look possibly genuine, as
well. (Degus are large rodent-like animals, not a 'random character',
for example.)

--
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ratings: http://uk.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=3145804

[Adam H. Kerman]

sp...@uce.gov wrote:

>The following consists of lists of commands (for INN) to fix certain
>problems in the "isc.org" sample active file. Every administrator should
>review the list before blindly executing the commands - to make certain that
>a wanted group is not removed.

It made me giggle that alt.usenet.peering isn't on the list.

>First, moderated groups that say they are but aren't marked as such:

Surely doing any of THIS would not have a useful result considering you
haven't bothered to check if any have actual forwarding aliases in
place, let alone active moderators. Most of these were sent by clueless
proponents and a few by proposal hijackers.

Why would any responsible News administrator change a known unmoderated
group into a moderated group just because it has a moderated name part,
without checking to see if there's a moderator?

Doesn't sound like a Best Current Practice to me.

>ctlinnd changegroup free.fr.rec.sport.football.moderated m

One of fff's mad newgroups? What responsible News administrator would
have created any of his?

>ctlinnd changegroup free.it.fan.sliders.moderated m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.topic.info.systems.year2000 m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.documents m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.reports m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.admin m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.groups m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.questions m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.software m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.test n
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.admin m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.groups m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.questions m
>ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.software m

Isn't gov.* entirely dead?

>ctlinnd changegroup linux.admin.news m
>ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat m
>ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.devel m
>ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.install m
>ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.misc m
>ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.ppp m
>ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.rpm m

Waitaminit. linux.* is an administered hierarchy. Let 'em send a
checkgroups.

>Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random characters.
>NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)

You found at least 10 revenge froups for me? Does it include the ones
you sent newgroup messages for?

It looks like you noted that alt.fan groups tend to be revenge froups
although not all would be.

How did you decide that alt.tv.* groups were revenge froups?

[D. Stussy]

"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
news:gkh3uo$iek$1...@news.albasani.net...

> >The following consists of lists of commands (for INN) to fix
certain
> >problems in the "isc.org" sample active file. Every administrator
should
> >review the list before blindly executing the commands - to make
certain that
> >a wanted group is not removed.
>
> It made me giggle that alt.usenet.peering isn't on the list.

Why should it be? The list was generated BEFORE the RFD to create
news.admin.peering was written - by at least TWO WEEKS. Pay
attention.
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC)

> >First, moderated groups that say they are but aren't marked as
such:
>
> Surely doing any of THIS would not have a useful result considering
you
> haven't bothered to check if any have actual forwarding aliases in
> place, let alone active moderators. Most of these were sent by
clueless
> proponents and a few by proposal hijackers.

And how is that my problem? There may be other (moderated) groups not
listed where moderators have walked away. "Moderated" appearing in
the group's name is prima-facie evidence that its supposed to be
moderated.

> Why would any responsible News administrator change a known
unmoderated
> group into a moderated group just because it has a moderated name
part,
> without checking to see if there's a moderator?

The name tells us that there is supposed to be one (or more).

> Doesn't sound like a Best Current Practice to me.

And it takes you 2 months to come to that conclusion? ...Or are you
just doing this to annoy me (or someone else)?

> >ctlinnd changegroup free.fr.rec.sport.football.moderated m
>
> One of fff's mad newgroups? What responsible News administrator
would
> have created any of his?

Every one of these was listed at ISC.org as of the date of the
posting. Therefore, MANY news admins may have - if they've done an
actsync against ISC's list.

> >ctlinnd changegroup free.it.fan.sliders.moderated m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.topic.info.systems.year2000 m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.documents m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.reports m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.admin m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.groups m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.questions m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.software m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.test n
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.admin m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.groups m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.questions m
> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.software m
>
> Isn't gov.* entirely dead?

It's still listed at ISC.org. If it's dead, no one ever sent an
rmgroup for any of them.

These groups in gov.* have articles received. I have not viewed the
contents to see if they have on-topic contents or are spam:

gov.topic.admin.finance.misc 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.topic.admin.finance.perf-measures 0000000001 0000000001 m
gov.topic.admin.finance.procurement 0000000001 0000000001 m
gov.us.fed.cia.announce 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.us.fed.courts.announce 0000000002 0000000002 m
gov.us.org.admin.gfoa 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.us.topic.ecommerce.announce 0000000001 0000000001 m
gov.us.topic.environment.water 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.us.topic.gov-jobs.employee.issues 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.us.topic.gov-jobs.offered.foreign 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.us.topic.info.policy.misc 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.us.topic.nat-resources.parks 0000000002 0000000001 m
gov.us.topic.transport.air 0000000001 0000000001 m
gov.us.usenet.test 0000000004 0000000001 m
gov.usenet.lists 0000000004 0000000003 m
gov.usenet.test 0000000006 0000000001 m

> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.admin.news m
> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat m
> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.devel m
> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.install m
> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.misc m
> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.ppp m
> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.rpm m
>
> Waitaminit. linux.* is an administered hierarchy. Let 'em send a
> checkgroups.

Perhaps so. However, the hierarchy's administrator clearly states
that all groups are moderated:

After subscribing to this mailing list you will be able to post
articles to the linux.* hierarchy moderated newsgroups.

Source: http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate

Why wait for a checkgroups message (which is not sent at any regular
interval) to fix a problem one can fix now?

> >Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random
characters.
> >NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)
>

> It looks like you noted that alt.fan groups tend to be revenge
froups
> although not all would be.

It depends on who was named and/or what followed their names. It
doesn't take a PhD to figure out that any group containing "dowap",
"snuh", "asswipe", or other such terms is not a legitimate group. See
also the comments about "alt.tv.*" regarding punctuation differences.

> How did you decide that alt.tv.* groups were revenge froups?

Take a look at the complete listing from an active file and you will
figure out that often there were two (or more) groups with the same
alphabetic name but differing in punctuation - usually a dash vs. a
period. In other cases, it's a misspelling.

Example: alt.tv.navy-ncis
Redundant and misnamed against alt.tv.ncis - especially since the show
itself is called NCIS.

Most groups that match "alt.test.*" were considered redundant of
"alt.test", and similarly "alt.*.test" except for "alt.binaries.test".

However, as I said, there may be groups in the list that some want to
carry regardless. It is only a suggestion, not a directive.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Oh, my. We're playing stupid followup games. We also still haven't
learned to quote without breaking lines.

D. Stussy <rep...@newsgroups.kd6lvw.ampr.org> wrote:

>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

>> >The following consists of lists of commands (for INN) to fix
>certain
>> >problems in the "isc.org" sample active file. Every administrator
>should
>> >review the list before blindly executing the commands - to make
>certain that
>> >a wanted group is not removed.

>>It made me giggle that alt.usenet.peering isn't on the list.

>Why should it be? The list was generated BEFORE the RFD to create
>news.admin.peering was written - by at least TWO WEEKS. Pay
>attention.
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (UTC)

Whoosh

>> >First, moderated groups that say they are but aren't marked as
>such:
>>
>> Surely doing any of THIS would not have a useful result considering
>you
>> haven't bothered to check if any have actual forwarding aliases in
>> place, let alone active moderators. Most of these were sent by
>clueless
>> proponents and a few by proposal hijackers.

>And how is that my problem? There may be other (moderated) groups not
>listed where moderators have walked away. "Moderated" appearing in
>the group's name is prima-facie evidence that its supposed to be
>moderated.

No, that's NOT the way Usenet works.

It's certainly not the way alt proposals work, in which any idiot can
write one, any idiot can send a newgroup message, and any idiot without
a clue about the implications of moderation can use "moderated" as a
name part without taking any steps toward implementation of moderation.

>> Why would any responsible News administrator change a known
>unmoderated
>> group into a moderated group just because it has a moderated name
>part,
>> without checking to see if there's a moderator?

>The name tells us that there is supposed to be one (or more).

It does nothing of the sort.

>>Doesn't sound like a Best Current Practice to me.

>And it takes you 2 months to come to that conclusion?

Didn't read your list in November. I saw it today when Igenlode posted a
followup.

> ...Or are you just doing this to annoy me (or someone else)?

My, what a swelled head we have.

>> >ctlinnd changegroup free.fr.rec.sport.football.moderated m

>> One of fff's mad newgroups? What responsible News administrator
>would
>> have created any of his?

>Every one of these was listed at ISC.org as of the date of the
>posting. Therefore, MANY news admins may have - if they've done an
>actsync against ISC's list.

Yes, we know that some people administer a News server in that manner. I
won't guess how common it is, but it's never seemed like a good idea to me.

>> >ctlinnd changegroup free.it.fan.sliders.moderated m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.topic.info.systems.year2000 m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.documents m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.fed.congress.reports m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.admin m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.groups m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.questions m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.software m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.us.usenet.test n
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.admin m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.groups m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.questions m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup gov.usenet.software m
>>
>> Isn't gov.* entirely dead?

>It's still listed at ISC.org.

It wasn't a question to you but to someone who'd know. I have a vague
recollection that Kent Landfield was the administrator or maintained a
Mail-to-News gateway for the groups, but I don't recall the details. I
vaguely recall that they were for press releases, not discussion.

>> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.admin.news m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.devel m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.install m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.misc m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.ppp m
>> >ctlinnd changegroup linux.redhat.rpm m

>> Waitaminit. linux.* is an administered hierarchy. Let 'em send a
>> checkgroups.

>Perhaps so. However, the hierarchy's administrator clearly states
>that all groups are moderated:

> After subscribing to this mailing list you will be able to post
> articles to the linux.* hierarchy moderated newsgroups.

>Source: http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate

>Why wait for a checkgroups message (which is not sent at any regular
>interval) to fix a problem one can fix now?

'Cuz it's the hierarchy administrator's job to correct this oversight?

>> >Second - Elimination of revenge groups and those of random
>characters.
>> >NOTE: Includes "alt.usenet.kooks.*" ("alt.*" and "free.*" only)

>> It looks like you noted that alt.fan groups tend to be revenge
>froups
>> although not all would be.

>It depends on who was named and/or what followed their names.

Unless you read the groups, you won't know which ones are revenge groups
and which ones are not.

>>How did you decide that alt.tv.* groups were revenge froups?

>Take a look at the complete listing from an active file and you will
>figure out that often there were two (or more) groups with the same
>alphabetic name but differing in punctuation - usually a dash vs. a
>period. In other cases, it's a misspelling.

>Example: alt.tv.navy-ncis
>Redundant and misnamed against alt.tv.ncis - especially since the show
>itself is called NCIS.

Suddenly, YOU are an expert on redundant newsgroups? Oh, the irony...

Unless you actually READ the groups, you don't know which one is used.
Sometimes BOTH groups are used even though IT'S OBVIOUS that one is
redundant of the other. alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english are the
best known examples. Both are active groups and there isn't a lot of
overlap among their audience.

>However, as I said, there may be groups in the list that some want to
>carry regardless. It is only a suggestion, not a directive.

That's fine. But I consider a major portion of your suggestion to be
harmful, because you are willfully blind to the implications of assuming
that any *.moderated group is moderated. Your claim that the name part
is prima facie evidence of a moderated newsgroup is bullshit.

No, what the apparent naming conflict should actually do, if the group
is being considered for creation, is trigger a review of the archived
newgroup messages.

You don't seem to understand that the sample active and newsgroups files
at ftp.isc.org have their moderation flag set based on the most recently
received and recognized newgroup message. Normally, no responsible News
administrator would change a group's moderation flag via some sort of
automated practice. This is one of those changes that should be made
manually after careful consideration. Without a review of newgroup messages,
he's just guessing.

If there's no archived newgroup message for a moderated newsgroup, one
that includes at a minimum the correct flags, matching in all three
places, moderator contact and group submission addresses, then the
*.moderated group in question isn't a moderated newsgroup. If anything,
it's a strong hint that the group ought not be created at all.