Memory Problem
Mike
I'm have just installed Mozilla on my working machine. Everything went
fine until I tried to log off. The Problem is that Mozilla puts the file
XUL.mfl, into my profile storage space which has a max allowed value of
20MB. The file itself has 2MB.
Is there any possibility to tell Mozilla to put the file somewhere else???
Thx
MozillaCensorsMe
Try Opera. Generally, there are way less problems: http://www.opera.com/download/
X-Istence
That really is not a real solution. Plus who would like a huge banner,
or do you love the software enough to buy it.
I have had the same problem, and what i used to do is clear my cookies
and temp cache or just put the cache to 0kb if you have a fast
connection, and this would do the trick for me. Other than that i dont
have a solution.
Juraj Betak
> and temp cache or just put the cache to 0kb if you have a fast
> connection, and this would do the trick for me. Other than that i dont
> have a solution.
http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/content/xul/document/src/nsXULPrototypeCache.cpp#569
Alternatively, you could put the following entries into your user.js
(or the default preference file):
nglayout.debug.disable_xul_cache = true
nglayout.debug.disable_xul_fastload = true
These preferences are available from the Debug menu in nightly builds.
I haven't tried it recently, but it should work in release builds and
in Netscape as well.
You might want to type about:config in the URL bar to see all
application preferences (even the hidden ones). Perhaps there is a way
to create a new preference as well.
Stan Brown
netscape.public.mozilla.general, MozillaCensorsMe
>Try Opera. Generally, there are way less problems: http://www.opera.com/download/
One would think so, you troll, given that they charge for it.
Alas, it's not true. I bought Opera and found it had more bugs than
the free Mozilla.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Fortunately, I live in the United States of America, where we are
gradually coming to understand that nothing we do is ever our
fault, especially if it is really stupid. --Dave Barry
MozillaCensorsMe
> In article <39665a4.03082...@posting.google.com> in
> netscape.public.mozilla.general, MozillaCensorsMe
> <mozillac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Try Opera. Generally, there are way less problems: http://www.opera.com/download/
>
> One would think so, you troll, given that they charge for it.
>
> Alas, it's not true. I bought Opera and found it had more bugs than
> the free Mozilla.
Way to go! You like Mozilla and call opponents thereof a troll, and
yet you shelled out 40 bucks for Opera. With geniuses like that aboard
the USS Mozilla, I can expect Mozilla to cruise past IE in usage by
December.
Of course all of us either know you are not telling the truth (also
known as a liar) or you are completely mentally retarded. The non-free
version of Opera has ALL THE SAME features as the $40 version, except
there is a banner ad in the free version. So, why didn't you test it
out and not click BUY immediatly after supposedly downloading it?
Oopsies...
Choose one: LIAR or complete IDIOT.
And what do you know, another person who will not bother responding
ever again. I usually don't prove people *this* wrong on the first
contact, but I am a veteran at this.
X-Istence
Hrm, dont you have better things to do. Like build a website promotoing
Opera in all its glory.
Juraj Betak
>
> Hrm, dont you have better things to do. Like build a website promotoing
> Opera in all its glory.
Sadly, he doesn't - see the quote from his literatture below. Search
the Google groups archives for n.p.m.g, if you need to know more.
--
"I am usually so offended by people's stupidity that it's amazing that
I can go to sleep each day without getting a heart attack. But today,
the level of stupidity was unbearable. First, some Mozilla whores rant
on and on about how much of an idiot I am, despite the fact they act
little kindergarten students all eager to shout their stupid opinions
at me."
X-Istence
Thanks, that explains a lot.
Juraj Betak
> Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b16d6e8...@news.odyssey.net>...
> > In article <39665a4.03082...@posting.google.com> in
> > netscape.public.mozilla.general, MozillaCensorsMe
> >
> > the free Mozilla.
>
> except there is a banner ad in the free version. So, why didn't you test it
> out and not click BUY immediatly after supposedly downloading it?
> Oopsies...
>
> Choose one: LIAR or complete IDIOT.
>
> And what do you know, another person who will not bother responding
> ever again. I usually don't prove people *this* wrong on the first
> contact, but I am a veteran at this.
Of course all of us either know you are not telling the truth (also
known as a liar) or you are completely mentally retarded.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=the_stan_brown%40fastmail.fm+opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
Pick one: CRANKY HYPOCRITE or VETERAN IGNORANT ASS.
MozillaCensorsMe
I've done that in January: http://www.andkon.com/stuf/opera/
MozillaCensorsMe
> X-Istence <xist...@breached.x-istence.com> wrote in message news:<8232b.177498$_R5.66...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
> >
> > Hrm, dont you have better things to do. Like build a website promotoing
> > Opera in all its glory.
>
> Sadly, he doesn't - see the quote from his literatture below. Search
> the Google groups archives for n.p.m.g, if you need to know more.
BTW, it's literature. Here's the freshest batch:
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/dasani/
> "I am usually so offended by people's stupidity that it's amazing that
> I can go to sleep each day without getting a heart attack. But today,
> the level of stupidity was unbearable. First, some Mozilla whores rant
> on and on about how much of an idiot I am, despite the fact they act
> little kindergarten students all eager to shout their stupid opinions
> at me."
Who said I can't be obnoxiously hilarious?
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/riaaSUCKS/
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/riaaLIES/
One's funny the other's explanatory.
J. Betak
>
> BTW, it's literature. Here's the freshest batch:
> http://www.andkon.com/stuf/dasani/
>
Good work!
BTW Daniel Glazman is a Frenchman and he resides in Paris.
http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/ENG-FR.sh?word=literature
>
> Who said I can't be obnoxiously hilarious?
>
I'd advise putting more emphasis on hilarious instead of obnoxious. It
might be better for your health ;-)
Ed Mullen
> X-Istence <xist...@breached.x-istence.com> wrote in message news:<8232b.177498$_R5.66...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
>
>>Hrm, dont you have better things to do. Like build a website promotoing
>>Opera in all its glory.
>
>
> Sadly, he doesn't - see the quote from his literatture below.
Wait a minute. I thought it was "litterature!" Aaarrgh. Just when I
think I've been totally flummoxed along comes another curve.
Search
> the Google groups archives for n.p.m.g, if you need to know more.
>
> --
>
> "I am usually so offended by people's stupidity that it's amazing that
> I can go to sleep each day without getting a heart attack. But today,
> the level of stupidity was unbearable. First, some Mozilla whores rant
> on and on about how much of an idiot I am, despite the fact they act
> little kindergarten students all eager to shout their stupid opinions
> at me."
--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://edmullen.net/moz.html
PLEASE READ: http://edmullen.net/moz.html#moznews
What's another word for synonym?
MozillaCensorsMe
What are you mumbling about? WOW! You found that he has talked about
Opera. And I like apple pie. SOOOOO what? I didnt say he never talked
about Opera.
That doesn't solve this problem. Why would someone buy Opera without
testing it out at first. As I SAID BEFORE, Opera the free version has
the same features (plus the ad) as the $40 version (no ad). So let me
think again, WHY would someone BUY a product you can test out as much
as you like for free? There is no requirement to buy Opera, only if
you want to remove the ad. So, why would anyone not test it out and
THEN buy it. It's kinda retarded to complain about being jipped when
you can test it out for as long as you like.
You need to take Logic 101 in the same community college Daniel
Glazman is taking his "Litterature" course. I hear there is a great
discount for former AOLTW employees. Also please take Words 101 as you
confuse "liar" and "hypocrite".
My hypothesis that people have a higher chance of making an idiot of
themselves the more they talk to me is proven right again.
J. Betak
> Wait a minute. I thought it was "litterature!" Aaarrgh. Just when I
> think I've been totally flummoxed along comes another curve.
>
literatture - etymology:
Modern English, entertaining presentation of facts, from Modern French
litterature, from Latin littertra, from litter, ilettered, illiterate.
Grey Hodge / jesus X
> BTW Daniel Glazman is a Frenchman and he resides in Paris.
> http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/ENG-FR.sh?word=literature
I think he was also making al allusion to the quality of Andkoin's writing,
hence the "litter" part. It's all trash.
--
jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism. ]
email [ jesus_x @ mozillanews.org ]
web [ http://www.mozillanews.org ]
insult [ As usual, you've been a real pantload. ]
warning [ Don't touch that! You might mutate your fingers. ]
J. Betak
> On 8/24/2003 8:50 PM J. Betak cranked up the brainbox and said:
>
>>BTW Daniel Glazman is a Frenchman and he resides in Paris.
>>http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/ENG-FR.sh?word=literature
>
>
> I think he was also making al allusion to the quality of Andkoin's writing,
> hence the "litter" part. It's all trash.
>
Perhaps, although I believe that it was just an honest mistake. He used
the French form since that's what he gets to see most often.
Although what Andras said to Stan Brown was evidently wrong on so many
levels, and the same can be said of most of his online rants, I'd like
to be fair to the boy. Even though he might not realize it yet, we know
that he is just going to through a phase. I sure hope that he will find
an environment he can identify with and get a chance to realize his full
potential.
Juraj Betak
> What are you mumbling about? WOW! You found that he has talked about
> Opera. And I like apple pie. SOOOOO what? I didnt say he never talked
> about Opera.
You have deliberately questioned the truthfulness of his account by
claiming that he was not aware of one of the fundamental realities,
namely that he was not required to pay for Opera. Furthermore, you
have implied that he either never used the product and is therefore a
liar, or that he acted illogically.
Well, he has used the product and he actually paid for it.
I'll repeat this for the slow one's in the class: this refutes Andras'
claim that Stan is dishonest.
> the same features (plus the ad) as the $40 version (no ad). So let me
> think again, WHY would someone BUY a product you can test out as much
> as you like for free? There is no requirement to buy Opera, only if
> you want to remove the ad. So, why would anyone not test it out and
> THEN buy it. It's kinda retarded to complain about being jipped when
> you can test it out for as long as you like.
He bought the license to get qualified technical support from Opera
and to see if and when he could have a few issues addressed. These
issues were apparently not resolved to his liking and from what I've
seen he was not impressed with the value he got out of the company as
a paying customer.
Another recap: this refutes your point about Stan being mentally
incapacitated. It also shows that you have little or no experience
with the software industry and the topic at hand, although you have
just claimed the opposite.
> You need to take Logic 101 in the same community college Daniel
> Glazman is taking his "Litterature" course. I hear there is a great
> discount for former AOLTW employees. Also please take Words 101 as you
> confuse "liar" and "hypocrite".
I'm not confusing them deliberately, I'm merely following your lead. I
have chosen to use your own words to make my point unmistakingly
clear. Unfortunately, it apparently wasn't clear enough - my
apologies.
Your comment is really cute, but Daniel cannot go to a community
college; the French higher education system is structured differently.
Having come here from Hungary, you are surely aware of such difference
between countries or are you not?
I'm not sure if you are alluding to me in your comment about "AOLTW
employees". Since I realize that you are little slow today, here it
goes for the fourth time: I was a freelancer and that out of my own
choosing. If you are not sure what that means and what my motives
were, please ask. I worked with no less than 5 companies over the last
three years with three gigs at Netscape.
Most of this happened before you pompously announced to the world that
you, Andras, have appointed yourself to enlighten the Mozilla project
with your deep insights.
>
> My hypothesis that people have a higher chance of making an idiot of
> themselves the more they talk to me is proven right again.
Quite the opposite, the more you rant about software, the more it
becomes apparent that you have only a very hazy idea of the realities
out there.
What you have just said to Stan is both revealing and disgraceful. You
have taken an honest and direct comment, gathered some superficial
impressions, fused them with your limited understanding of the issue
at hand, ignored readily available facts about Stan, and then
proceeded to use the results of this rather dubious process to
verbally assault him questioning both his integrity and his mental
faculties.
Rather untypical for a nice guy, an attribute you have claimed for
yourself just a few posts ago, wouldn't you say? And if you asked me,
it sounds downright schizoid.
MozillaCensorsMe
>
> > What are you mumbling about? WOW! You found that he has talked about
> > Opera. And I like apple pie. SOOOOO what? I didnt say he never talked
> > about Opera.
>
> You have deliberately questioned the truthfulness of his account by
I said he's either lying or dumb for buying a product he had time to
test out.
> claiming that he was not aware of one of the fundamental realities,
> namely that he was not required to pay for Opera. Furthermore, you
> have implied that he either never used the product and is therefore a
> liar, or that he acted illogically.
>
> Well, he has used the product and he actually paid for it.
>
But why? Don't you have enough time to test it out and then if you
really like, go ahead and buy it? It's like me being given the chance
to have a free computer (with ads or something) where I can test it
out for as long as I can and only buy it if I really like it. If I
don't like it, why would I buy it?
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=the_stan_brown%40fastmail.fm+opera+second+fee&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=MPG.18e6509d5c71f53998a8ee%40news.odyssey.net&rnum=1
>
> I'll repeat this for the slow one's in the class: this refutes Andras'
> claim that Stan is dishonest.
>
I claim now (knowing that he has Opera experience) that he is simply a
sore loser of sorts because he threw out $40 for a product he doesnt
like, but had ample chance to test it out and NOT pay for it. If he's
just trying to "expose" the supposedly awful Opera support, then don't
whine that he threw $40 out the window. he threw $40 out the window so
he can say Opera sucks. Great. Amazing.
>
> > the same features (plus the ad) as the $40 version (no ad). So let me
> > think again, WHY would someone BUY a product you can test out as much
> > as you like for free? There is no requirement to buy Opera, only if
> > you want to remove the ad. So, why would anyone not test it out and
> > THEN buy it. It's kinda retarded to complain about being jipped when
> > you can test it out for as long as you like.
>
> He bought the license to get qualified technical support from Opera
> and to see if and when he could have a few issues addressed. These
> issues were apparently not resolved to his liking and from what I've
> seen he was not impressed with the value he got out of the company as
> a paying customer.
>
I haven't found such giant bugs in Opera that I'd had to ask official
customer support. But, why would you BUY support when you had free
support in forums? If that doesn't answer the questions, DONT BUY IT.
If I had problems with a software that was shareware and no one
answered me to my liking, I wouldnt upgrade!
> Another recap: this refutes your point about Stan being mentally
> incapacitated. It also shows that you have little or no experience
> with the software industry and the topic at hand, although you have
> just claimed the opposite.
>
Refuted above.
> > You need to take Logic 101 in the same community college Daniel
> > Glazman is taking his "Litterature" course. I hear there is a great
> > discount for former AOLTW employees. Also please take Words 101 as you
> > confuse "liar" and "hypocrite".
>
> I'm not confusing them deliberately, I'm merely following your lead. I
> have chosen to use your own words to make my point unmistakingly
> clear. Unfortunately, it apparently wasn't clear enough - my
> apologies.
>
I didnt call Stan a hypcrite. I implied he was either a liar or dumb.
It's simple as that. Now we know he's not a liar.
> Your comment is really cute, but Daniel cannot go to a community
> college; the French higher education system is structured differently.
> Having come here from Hungary, you are surely aware of such difference
> between countries or are you not?
>
It's a joke. I'm not sure what the French equivalent of low, redneck
type colleges is. Repeat: it's a joke.
> I'm not sure if you are alluding to me in your comment about "AOLTW
> employees". Since I realize that you are little slow today, here it
> goes for the fourth time: I was a freelancer and that out of my own
> choosing. If you are not sure what that means and what my motives
> were, please ask. I worked with no less than 5 companies over the last
> three years with three gigs at Netscape.
>
Sorry, I forgot to read your biography. You did at some point work
with/for/whatever Netscape though.
> Most of this happened before you pompously announced to the world that
> you, Andras, have appointed yourself to enlighten the Mozilla project
> with your deep insights.
>
Hahahaha. I guess I can't argue with that statement too much.
> >
> > My hypothesis that people have a higher chance of making an idiot of
> > themselves the more they talk to me is proven right again.
>
> Quite the opposite, the more you rant about software, the more it
> becomes apparent that you have only a very hazy idea of the realities
> out there.
>
Realities? Opera, click installs click opens. Its oversized buttons
are ideal even for idiots for making learning simple and quick.
> What you have just said to Stan is both revealing and disgraceful. You
> have taken an honest and direct comment, gathered some superficial
> impressions, fused them with your limited understanding of the issue
> at hand, ignored readily available facts about Stan, and then
> proceeded to use the results of this rather dubious process to
> verbally assault him questioning both his integrity and his mental
> faculties.
>
Why would someone spend $40 on a product he doesnt like? So he can
moan about Opera? I wouldnt buy a product from any company that I
didnt think was sufficient quality. It's your loss if you pay for
something you know you don't like.
> Rather untypical for a nice guy, an attribute you have claimed for
> yourself just a few posts ago, wouldn't you say? And if you asked me,
> it sounds downright schizoid.
Of course I'm nice. I asked whether or not Glazman made a mistake in
not realizing a joke. Instead of taking the overly nice "you screwed
up, but you can make it seem as if you didnt" he tried to be above me
and buried himself even deeper by proclaiming my LITTERATURE as crap.
What goes around comes back and slaps you in the face.
MozillaCensorsMe
It's only obnoxious when the joke is on you.
GetHelpNow
"J. Betak" <jbe...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<bibm3r$7h...@ripley.netscape.com>...
I'd advise putting more emphasis on hilarious instead of obnoxious. It might be better for your health ;-)
It's only obnoxious when the joke is on you.
No it's not. Virtually everyone is able and willing to laugh at themselves. However you are going to far. Most of your rants are just vile fabrications full of fart jokes and corresponding language. And it seems like your ego gets in between as well, which goes against one of the fundamentals of comedy and parody - appropriate delivery.
MozillaCensorsMe
> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
>
> >"J. Betak" <jbe...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<bibm3r$7h...@ripley.netscape.com>...
> >
> >
> >>I'd advise putting more emphasis on hilarious instead of obnoxious. It
> >>might be better for your health ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It's only obnoxious when the joke is on you.
> >
>
> No it's not. Virtually everyone is able and willing to laugh at
> themselves. However you are going to far. Most of your rants are just
> vile fabrications full of fart jokes and corresponding language. And it
Under that logic, you can call me Shakespeare then. But then again
what do you expect even from him and his "litterature". The greatest
playwrights (and many greats during his time) had vile and filthy
humor. So to say that I have "primitive" jokes is really not an
argument against me, but actually for me. Maybe you need to take Intro
to English with Danny to explore simple basics in literature.
> seems like your ego gets in between as well, which goes against one of
> the fundamentals of comedy and parody - appropriate delivery.
Ego? Where? Glazman lies and makes up things that can easily be proved
wrong and then I call him an idiot. And that's having an ego? Better
sign up for those Logic 101 courses, they seem to be filling fast at
the community college.
Ego and comedy? Remember Andy Kaufman and hundreds of other people
with big egos that were funny? You make absolutely no sense as there
are clear cut examples against anything you say.
Since you won't be speaking any more, goodbye.
MozillaCensorsMe
>
> >"J. Betak" <jbe...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<bibm3r$7h...@ripley.netscape.com>...
> >
> >
> >>I'd advise putting more emphasis on hilarious instead of obnoxious. It
> >>might be better for your health ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It's only obnoxious when the joke is on you.
> >
> vile fabrications full of fart jokes and corresponding language. And it
"Fortunately, by most accounts Aristophanes was the greatest comic
writer of his day."
"On his shoulders alone rests the reputation of an entire age of
comedy."
From his work Clouds, "Again there's this brave lad, who never wakes
the whole long night, but, wrapped in his five coverlets, farts away
to his heart's content."
Thanks for complimenting me. It's amuzing how a negative insult can
(logically) be made into the the highest of compliments.
BTW, you might need to sign up for other community college classes,
but you have reached your limit.
Peter Lairo
> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
J, you might want to conider _not_ responding to this troll. ;)
--
Peter Lairo
--==--
Kooks abound on the Internet. But if you ignore them, or advise other
people on the mailing list to ignore them in the interest of decreasing
mailing list traffic, then they accuse you of being "censors" who are
"afraid of dissenting opinions" or some such drivel. (Of course, you're
not actually censoring them in any way, but to a kook or a troll, not
replying is equivalent to censorship---after all, they have a
constitutional right to a rapt, responsive audience, right?)
--==--
Peter Lairo
> On 8/25/03 2:50 AM, J. Betak wrote:
>
>> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
>
>
> J, you might want to conider _not_ responding to this troll. ;)
At least until bug 11054 is fixed. ;)
Ignore (kill) a *Branch* of a Thread (not just the whole thread) (Troll)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11054
--
Peter Lairo
--==--
no need to further dumb down this forum. There's no need to discuss with
an outsider who cares not about mozilla.org about our image. (Daniel Wang)
--==--
J. Betak
> On 8/25/03 2:50 AM, J. Betak wrote:
>
>> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
>
>
> J, you might want to conider _not_ responding to this troll. ;)
>
I agree Peter, and apologize for the noise pollution.
J. Betak
> Thanks for complimenting me. It's amuzing how a negative insult can
> (logically) be made into the the highest of compliments.
>
> BTW, you might need to sign up for other community college classes,
> but you have reached your limit.
You have missed the most important thing: these playwrites were
addressing an audience, and you have long lost yours. We have heard of
them because they won a popularity contest; the majority of them were
popular during and even after their lifetime.
Perhaps you should stop yawning with open mouth and start paying
attention during your classes, you might miss your chance to become the
next Hitler when you grow up.
Juraj Betak
>really like, go ahead and buy it? It's like me being given the chance
>to have a free computer (with ads or something) where I can test it
>out for as long as I can and only buy it if I really like it. If I
>don't like it, why would I buy it?
clients at Intuit; purchasing a $150 support license wasn't a problem
for them. And not surprisingly the vast majority of calls were basic
questions, most of the callers haven't even opened the manual. Instead
they paid me and a number of other people to save time and we took
care of them. Complimentary copies of new product releases were the
least we could do to help alleviate any productivity and monetary
losses suffered due to a bug. I believe that's what Stan was hoping
for and that's why he felt not treated well by Opera.
>I claim now (knowing that he has Opera experience) that he is simply
a
>sore loser of sorts because he threw out $40 for a product he doesnt
>like, but had ample chance to test it out and NOT pay for it. If he's
>just trying to "expose" the supposedly awful Opera support, then
don't
>whine that he threw $40 out the window. he threw $40 out the window
so
>he can say Opera sucks. Great. Amazing.
If somebody is making enough to pay $$$ for a support license so that
they don't have to open the manual, it's their advantage, not their
loss. And if they made even more they would hire someone to do that
for them. All rich people would be losers and idiots by this
definition - how very communist!
>I haven't found such giant bugs in Opera that I'd had to ask official
>customer support. But, why would you BUY support when you had free
>support in forums? If that doesn't answer the questions, DONT BUY IT.
What if he got into Opera because one of his clients wanted to make
sure that his/her site or application displays/runs properly in said
browser? Every little thing is important then and time is money.
>I didnt call Stan a hypcrite. I implied he was either a liar or dumb.
>It's simple as that. Now we know he's not a liar.
Yes, but you did not care to look into it, you simply assumed that he
might be a liar. Wait, isn't that the same thing Daniel Glazman just
did to you?
>Sorry, I forgot to read your biography. You did at some point work
>with/for/whatever Netscape though.
No need to be ironic - I didn't expect you to read it. This issue came
up in a few posts and I have explained to you that I was never an
employee of AOLTW. Your response included such terms as "temporary
workforce" and other pejoratives. On numerous occasions you have
deliberately referred to me as an employee of AOLTW, although I have
made an conscious decision not to become one and reminded you of that
on another occasion. I loved Netscape, I never liked AOL or TW.
>Most of this happened before you pompously announced to the world
that
>you, Andras, have appointed yourself to enlighten the Mozilla project
>with your deep insights.
>Hahahaha. I guess I can't argue with that statement too much.
Good, I'm glad you too can laugh at yourself, a requisite skill you
seem to expect from everyone else. Or is this perhaps like the
infamous "Berlin" vs. "Munich" situation, where the reader
deliberately ignores finer nuances of communication?
>Realities? Opera, click installs click opens. Its oversized buttons
>are ideal even for idiots for making learning simple and quick.
Yes realities. The present software industry majors exist not only
because they made software accessible to the unwashed masses, they
also managed to win and keep their trust and their business. Giving
away software to frustrated customers is in their best interest.
>Why would someone spend $40 on a product he doesnt like? So he can
>moan about Opera? I wouldnt buy a product from any company that I
>didnt think was sufficient quality. It's your loss if you pay for
>something you know you don't like.
Perhaps because they have the money and don't want to fuss around with
the product? And I believe that Stan had something for Opera at one
point or another. You and I don't know how he got into it. A client
project, something he heard, whatever.
>Of course I'm nice. I asked whether or not Glazman made a mistake in
>not realizing a joke. Instead of taking the overly nice "you screwed
>up, but you can make it seem as if you didnt" he tried to be above me
>and buried himself even deeper by proclaiming my LITTERATURE as crap.
>What goes around comes back and slaps you in the face.
I don't doubt that. However you have made a number of extremely vile
comments - even when unprovoked.
J. Betak
>Ego and comedy? Remember Andy Kaufman and hundreds of other people
>with big egos that were funny? You make absolutely no sense as there
>are clear cut examples against anything you say.
>
>Since you won't be speaking any more, goodbye.
>
You can't handle us Andras? Why don't you find yourself another audience
then?
MozillaCensorsMe
> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
>
> > Thanks for complimenting me. It's amuzing how a negative insult can
> > (logically) be made into the the highest of compliments.
> >
> > BTW, you might need to sign up for other community college classes,
> > but you have reached your limit.
>
> You have missed the most important thing: these playwrites were
> addressing an audience, and you have long lost yours. We have heard of
> them because they won a popularity contest; the majority of them were
> popular during and even after their lifetime.
>
Once again YOU missed the point. I didnt say I am Shakespeare or any
other great writer. I am saying that based on the false logic
presented to me, Shakespeare and others are the same supposed crap
that I am.
> Perhaps you should stop yawning with open mouth and start paying
> attention during your classes, you might miss your chance to become the
> next Hitler when you grow up.
Most, not all though, classes I have are boring and teach nothing
relevant. Calculus? Who needs that useless crap? All I see is esoteric
lines and squiggles that make no difference to anyone.
I see the new type of attacks: you run out of facts then procede to
call me Hitler. Of course, you won't bother to explain why you think
that way since you are just using a cliche, a slur. (PS: Take History
101 as well, Hitler did VERY POORLY in his later school years. PS: I
am at least in the top 10 (ten) % of my class. Just because I realize
how boring something is and how completely and utterly useless it is,
doesn't mean I can't get A's in everything.)
MozillaCensorsMe
>
> >But why? Don't you have enough time to test it out and then if you
> >really like, go ahead and buy it? It's like me being given the chance
> >to have a free computer (with ads or something) where I can test it
> >out for as long as I can and only buy it if I really like it. If I
> >don't like it, why would I buy it?
>
> From what I can tell Stan is self-employed. I dealt with similar
> clients at Intuit; purchasing a $150 support license wasn't a problem
> for them. And not surprisingly the vast majority of calls were basic
> questions, most of the callers haven't even opened the manual. Instead
> they paid me and a number of other people to save time and we took
> care of them. Complimentary copies of new product releases were the
> least we could do to help alleviate any productivity and monetary
> losses suffered due to a bug. I believe that's what Stan was hoping
> for and that's why he felt not treated well by Opera.
>
Okay. Once again, if you have a no-strings attached software, why
someone would pay money and more importantly moan about afterwards is
beyond me.
> >I claim now (knowing that he has Opera experience) that he is simply
> a
> >sore loser of sorts because he threw out $40 for a product he doesnt
> >like, but had ample chance to test it out and NOT pay for it. If he's
> >just trying to "expose" the supposedly awful Opera support, then
> don't
> >whine that he threw $40 out the window. he threw $40 out the window
> so
> >he can say Opera sucks. Great. Amazing.
>
> If somebody is making enough to pay $$$ for a support license so that
> they don't have to open the manual, it's their advantage, not their
> loss. And if they made even more they would hire someone to do that
> for them. All rich people would be losers and idiots by this
> definition - how very communist!
>
Once again, stop your juvenile attacking. The whole communist thing is
just stupid. But why moan about it afterwards, if you have enough
money and had time to test it?
> >I haven't found such giant bugs in Opera that I'd had to ask official
> >customer support. But, why would you BUY support when you had free
> >support in forums? If that doesn't answer the questions, DONT BUY IT.
>
> What if he got into Opera because one of his clients wanted to make
> sure that his/her site or application displays/runs properly in said
> browser? Every little thing is important then and time is money.
>
What happened to adhering to standards? Oh sorry, it's money so let's
"compromise" and be hypocrites. In fact, I know one such fellow:
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/zeldman/
> >I didnt call Stan a hypcrite. I implied he was either a liar or dumb.
> >It's simple as that. Now we know he's not a liar.
>
> Yes, but you did not care to look into it, you simply assumed that he
I said, based on the scenario, he is EITHER dumb to buy it OR that he
is making it up just to bad mouth Opera. As it stands, he isn't a liar
but dumb to buy a free product.
> might be a liar. Wait, isn't that the same thing Daniel Glazman just
> did to you?
>
No. I said logically Stan can be a liar OR dumb. Glazman said
something completely untrue period. After I realized Stan was not
making it up, I said the other option works. Danny still hasnt
explained himself.
> >Sorry, I forgot to read your biography. You did at some point work
> >with/for/whatever Netscape though.
>
> No need to be ironic - I didn't expect you to read it. This issue came
> up in a few posts and I have explained to you that I was never an
> employee of AOLTW. Your response included such terms as "temporary
> workforce" and other pejoratives. On numerous occasions you have
> deliberately referred to me as an employee of AOLTW, although I have
> made an conscious decision not to become one and reminded you of that
> on another occasion. I loved Netscape, I never liked AOL or TW.
>
Okay.
> >Most of this happened before you pompously announced to the world
> that
> >you, Andras, have appointed yourself to enlighten the Mozilla project
> >with your deep insights.
> >Hahahaha. I guess I can't argue with that statement too much.
>
> Good, I'm glad you too can laugh at yourself, a requisite skill you
> seem to expect from everyone else. Or is this perhaps like the
> infamous "Berlin" vs. "Munich" situation, where the reader
> deliberately ignores finer nuances of communication?
>
I was making fun at the guy who boldly made it seem as if Berliners
united behind Mozilla. It wasn't even the biggest city, but Munich. It
wasn't even MUNICH but a few thousand gov computers. I was belittling
the original poster.
> >Realities? Opera, click installs click opens. Its oversized buttons
> >are ideal even for idiots for making learning simple and quick.
>
> Yes realities. The present software industry majors exist not only
> because they made software accessible to the unwashed masses, they
> also managed to win and keep their trust and their business. Giving
> away software to frustrated customers is in their best interest.
>
Of course. That doesnt change the fact that Opera is simple.
> >Why would someone spend $40 on a product he doesnt like? So he can
> >moan about Opera? I wouldnt buy a product from any company that I
> >didnt think was sufficient quality. It's your loss if you pay for
> >something you know you don't like.
>
> Perhaps because they have the money and don't want to fuss around with
> the product? And I believe that Stan had something for Opera at one
> point or another. You and I don't know how he got into it. A client
> project, something he heard, whatever.
>
Whatever, okay.
> >Of course I'm nice. I asked whether or not Glazman made a mistake in
> >not realizing a joke. Instead of taking the overly nice "you screwed
> >up, but you can make it seem as if you didnt" he tried to be above me
> >and buried himself even deeper by proclaiming my LITTERATURE as crap.
> >What goes around comes back and slaps you in the face.
>
> I don't doubt that. However you have made a number of extremely vile
> comments - even when unprovoked.
Well what do you expect from the "next Hitler"? Haha, you seem to
answer yourself at times and then forget.
Daniel Glazman
> Under that logic, you can call me Shakespeare then. But then again
> what do you expect even from him and his "litterature". The greatest
Young boy, the day you fluently practice 3 different languages on a
daily basis like I do these days without any error, you'll be allowed
to comment on a double-t instead of t. In the meantime, go back home,
it's time to change your Pampers, your brain is flatulating too much.
After c++ and Zeldman sites, why don't you take a look at last Nobel
prizes and send them a letter about their stupid discoveries?
</Daniel>
Stan Brown
>From what I can tell Stan is self-employed. I dealt with similar
>clients at Intuit; purchasing a $150 support license wasn't a problem
If you would like to discuss this with me, I will be happy to do so
in e-mail. But "MozillaCensorsMe"'s constant Opera promotion is off
topic in a Mozilla group, and I'm not going to post more follow-ups.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
"In its default setup, Windows XP on the Internet amounts to a car
parked in a bad part of town, with the doors unlocked, the key in
the ignition and a Post-It note on the dashboard saying, 'Please
don't steal this.'" -- Washington Post, 24 Aug 2003
Thomas Ditmars
> On 8/27/03 5:41 PM, Peter Lairo wrote:
>
>> J, you might want to conider _not_ responding to this troll. ;)
>
>
> At least until bug 11054 is fixed. ;)
>
> Ignore (kill) a *Branch* of a Thread (not just the whole thread) (Troll)
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11054
>
Personally, I'd rather have a killfile. :(
--
/TD
zarggg [at] zarggg [dot] net
http://www.zarggg.net
Juraj Betak
> > MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
> >
>
> Once again YOU missed the point. I didnt say I am Shakespeare or any
> other great writer. I am saying that based on the false logic
> presented to me, Shakespeare and others are the same supposed crap
> that I am.
I was not presenting a logical argument, it was you who has attempted
to infer something from a simple value judgment. Perhaps you really
should pay more attention in school.
>
> Most, not all though, classes I have are boring and teach nothing
> relevant. Calculus? Who needs that useless crap? All I see is esoteric
> lines and squiggles that make no difference to anyone.
I would like to engage you in a discussion about constructive
approaches to this, but I'm not sure if I would want to and if you
would be capable of it. Interestingly, same could be said of
competitive sports and sports education. Our modern lifestyle requires
hardly any physical exertion, why bother then? It doesn't make a
difference to anyone, if I can run a marathon or swim 5 miles in the
ocean.
> I see the new type of attacks: you run out of facts then procede to
> call me Hitler. Of course, you won't bother to explain why you think
No not really, it's you who is grasping at straws here, because you
yourself don't have a logical explanation of your online trolling. The
value judgment I have expressed in my previous posts stands and is
based on a collective observation of your behavior in this newsgroup
and other online rants (e.g. the Hummer debacle). You have attempted
to construe something else from it and I used your own logic to find a
suitable counterexample. And don't tell me that Hitler and especially
Dr. Goebbels didn't have a vile sense of humor! And I believe Dr.
Goebbels did quite well in when he was in academia.
> that way since you are just using a cliche, a slur. (PS: Take History
> 101 as well, Hitler did VERY POORLY in his later school years. PS: I
> am at least in the top 10 (ten) % of my class. Just because I realize
> how boring something is and how completely and utterly useless it is,
> doesn't mean I can't get A's in everything.)
Good. I won't call you Einstein either then, since he was demonstrably
doing quite poorly as well. He couldn't even get into the college of
his choice, not to mention find employment when he was finished.
Juraj Betak
> Okay. Once again, if you have a no-strings attached software, why
> someone would pay money and more importantly moan about afterwards is
> beyond me.
As if you haven't read the argument. I'll be brief this time:
1. Convenience
2. Professional support
4. Time savings
3. Perceived higher value
5. Desire to support Opera
>
> Once again, stop your juvenile attacking. The whole communist thing is
> just stupid. But why moan about it afterwards, if you have enough
> money and had time to test it?
He moaned about their attitude. They didn't upgrade him to an ad-free
version 7 for free, and that version supposedly resolved some of the
problems he experienced. I used the communist argument consciously,
since you have a certain fixation on it. It's interesting that you
would describe its usage as juvenile.
>
> What happened to adhering to standards? Oh sorry, it's money so let's
> "compromise" and be hypocrites. In fact, I know one such fellow:
> http://www.andkon.com/stuf/zeldman/
I can't speak for Stan or Zeldman and I haven't had a chance to
develop commercial HTML content myself. Perhaps you could find someone
who would pay you to spend time producing standards-compliant pages to
show them both?
> No. I said logically Stan can be a liar OR dumb. Glazman said
> something completely untrue period. After I realized Stan was not
> making it up, I said the other option works. Danny still hasnt
> explained himself.
Well, what if he logically assumed that you were a compulsive troll
and trolled on Opera's forums without checking with Google first?
That's what you did to Stan after all and when I pointed out that
Google has evidence to the contrary, you couldn't be bothered with it
at first.
>
> I was making fun at the guy who boldly made it seem as if Berliners
> united behind Mozilla. It wasn't even the biggest city, but Munich. It
> wasn't even MUNICH but a few thousand gov computers. I was belittling
> the original poster.
I understand that, but you were also taking my pointed comment at its
face value. Conversely, Daniel has done exactly the same with your own
comment.
> > Yes realities. The present software industry majors exist not only
> > because they made software accessible to the unwashed masses, they
> > also managed to win and keep their trust and their business. Giving
> > away software to frustrated customers is in their best interest.
> >
>
> Of course. That doesnt change the fact that Opera is simple.
>
Yes, and demonstrably money can be made with simple products.
Especially with simple products. How much money is McDonald's making?
And why would anyone buy such a product? I'm sure you have been to
MickeyD's before and you might have paid for bottled water as well.
Does that mean that you are dumb?
> >
> > Perhaps because they have the money and don't want to fuss around with
> > the product? And I believe that Stan had something for Opera at one
> > point or another. You and I don't know how he got into it. A client
> > project, something he heard, whatever.
> >
>
> Whatever, okay.
Cool, it's settled then.
> >
> > I don't doubt that. However you have made a number of extremely vile
> > comments - even when unprovoked.
>
> Well what do you expect from the "next Hitler"? Haha, you seem to
> answer yourself at times and then forget.
No, I don't. I believe that you are a sane and moral person, even
though you might be a bit misguided.
Chris I
> Personally, I'd rather have a killfile. :(
Already implemented.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17483
Been fixed since November, and it still has 67 votes.
--
so...@ilias.ca
Netscape Links <http://ilias.ca>
MozillaCensorsMe
>
> > Okay. Once again, if you have a no-strings attached software, why
> > someone would pay money and more importantly moan about afterwards is
> > beyond me.
>
> As if you haven't read the argument. I'll be brief this time:
>
> 1. Convenience
> 2. Professional support
> 4. Time savings
> 3. Perceived higher value
> 5. Desire to support Opera
>
As I said, if the free version doesnt make the cut, I wouldn't buy it.
> >
> > Once again, stop your juvenile attacking. The whole communist thing is
> > just stupid. But why moan about it afterwards, if you have enough
> > money and had time to test it?
>
> He moaned about their attitude. They didn't upgrade him to an ad-free
> version 7 for free, and that version supposedly resolved some of the
> problems he experienced. I used the communist argument consciously,
> since you have a certain fixation on it. It's interesting that you
> would describe its usage as juvenile.
>
Yes it is juvenile. I didnt insinuate that he was using a communist
idea or whatever so it's just stupid. It's juvenile to assume any idea
remotely like communism is bad and therefore I'm against it. It's just
stupid.
> >
> > What happened to adhering to standards? Oh sorry, it's money so let's
> > "compromise" and be hypocrites. In fact, I know one such fellow:
> > http://www.andkon.com/stuf/zeldman/
>
> I can't speak for Stan or Zeldman and I haven't had a chance to
> develop commercial HTML content myself. Perhaps you could find someone
> who would pay you to spend time producing standards-compliant pages to
> show them both?
>
Well it's just that Zeldman preaches standards and then pairs up with
people who can't and makes websites that don't validate. It's
hypocrisy.
Yes. My pages are valid, if not I try to correct them. It's not hard
to make commercially viable pages with CSS layout and valid markup. I
might just do in just for the hell of it...*
*"the esoteric prophecy"
> > No. I said logically Stan can be a liar OR dumb. Glazman said
> > something completely untrue period. After I realized Stan was not
> > making it up, I said the other option works. Danny still hasnt
> > explained himself.
>
> Well, what if he logically assumed that you were a compulsive troll
> and trolled on Opera's forums without checking with Google first?
> That's what you did to Stan after all and when I pointed out that
> Google has evidence to the contrary, you couldn't be bothered with it
> at first.
>
Umm, IF? What if I my computer exploded and... yeah if questions for
the most part are pointless.
> >
> > I was making fun at the guy who boldly made it seem as if Berliners
> > united behind Mozilla. It wasn't even the biggest city, but Munich. It
> > wasn't even MUNICH but a few thousand gov computers. I was belittling
> > the original poster.
>
> I understand that, but you were also taking my pointed comment at its
> face value. Conversely, Daniel has done exactly the same with your own
> comment.
>
No. Glazman just felt good because he wanted to finally get me back,
since he looked pretty stupid on a few turns back. He failed again.
> > > Yes realities. The present software industry majors exist not only
> > > because they made software accessible to the unwashed masses, they
> > > also managed to win and keep their trust and their business. Giving
> > > away software to frustrated customers is in their best interest.
> > >
> >
> > Of course. That doesnt change the fact that Opera is simple.
> >
>
> Yes, and demonstrably money can be made with simple products.
> Especially with simple products. How much money is McDonald's making?
> And why would anyone buy such a product? I'm sure you have been to
> MickeyD's before and you might have paid for bottled water as well.
> Does that mean that you are dumb?
>
It's simple to use and learn. Not simple as in Mosaic with 3 buttons
simple. It's simple for all the features it has in it. Unlike bottled
war, there is no alternative to Opera that's worth it, at least for
me.
> > >
> > > Perhaps because they have the money and don't want to fuss around with
> > > the product? And I believe that Stan had something for Opera at one
> > > point or another. You and I don't know how he got into it. A client
> > > project, something he heard, whatever.
> > >
> >
> > Whatever, okay.
>
> Cool, it's settled then.
>
> > >
> > > I don't doubt that. However you have made a number of extremely vile
> > > comments - even when unprovoked.
> >
> > Well what do you expect from the "next Hitler"? Haha, you seem to
> > answer yourself at times and then forget.
>
> No, I don't. I believe that you are a sane and moral person, even
> though you might be a bit misguided.
Misguided: "Based or acting on error" What error(s) is this, btw?
MozillaCensorsMe
> > "J. Betak" <jbe...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<biilv2$cr...@ripley.netscape.com>...
> > > MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
> > >
>
> >
> > Once again YOU missed the point. I didnt say I am Shakespeare or any
> > other great writer. I am saying that based on the false logic
> > presented to me, Shakespeare and others are the same supposed crap
> > that I am.
>
> I was not presenting a logical argument, it was you who has attempted
> to infer something from a simple value judgment. Perhaps you really
> should pay more attention in school.
>
> >
> > Most, not all though, classes I have are boring and teach nothing
> > relevant. Calculus? Who needs that useless crap? All I see is esoteric
> > lines and squiggles that make no difference to anyone.
>
> I would like to engage you in a discussion about constructive
> approaches to this, but I'm not sure if I would want to and if you
> would be capable of it. Interestingly, same could be said of
> competitive sports and sports education. Our modern lifestyle requires
> hardly any physical exertion, why bother then? It doesn't make a
> difference to anyone, if I can run a marathon or swim 5 miles in the
> ocean.
>
Yes teach me stuff that will be of no use to me ever. Same couldn't be
said of sports, well ones that are actually physically requiring. The
body needs some sort of exercise or it dilapidates. Simple as that.
Instead of boring classes, I could take something more uplifting, not
quit school obviously.
> > I see the new type of attacks: you run out of facts then procede to
> > call me Hitler. Of course, you won't bother to explain why you think
>
> No not really, it's you who is grasping at straws here, because you
> yourself don't have a logical explanation of your online trolling. The
> value judgment I have expressed in my previous posts stands and is
> based on a collective observation of your behavior in this newsgroup
> and other online rants (e.g. the Hummer debacle). You have attempted
I am going to defend myself and my website. I didnt start anything
there. People called me a COMMUNIST, of all things hehe. My name isnt
going to float around undefended.
> to construe something else from it and I used your own logic to find a
> suitable counterexample. And don't tell me that Hitler and especially
> Dr. Goebbels didn't have a vile sense of humor! And I believe Dr.
> Goebbels did quite well in when he was in academia.
>
Okay.
> > that way since you are just using a cliche, a slur. (PS: Take History
> > 101 as well, Hitler did VERY POORLY in his later school years. PS: I
> > am at least in the top 10 (ten) % of my class. Just because I realize
> > how boring something is and how completely and utterly useless it is,
> > doesn't mean I can't get A's in everything.)
>
> Good. I won't call you Einstein either then, since he was demonstrably
> doing quite poorly as well. He couldn't even get into the college of
> his choice, not to mention find employment when he was finished.
I was just basing that assumption on your already bad logic (I cant be
Hitler, if I suck in school).
Juraj Betak
> Yes teach me stuff that will be of no use to me ever. Same couldn't be
> said of sports, well ones that are actually physically requiring. The
The amount of physical exertion required for competitive sports is far
from biological necessity. People just like it, and they like it lot
more than other, more abstract activities. This only shows that as a
species we are closer to the animal kingdom than we would want to
admit.
> body needs some sort of exercise or it dilapidates. Simple as that.
> Instead of boring classes, I could take something more uplifting, not
> quit school obviously.
And your mind doesn't atrophy? Things as a meaningful as you (or your
instructor) make them.
The internals of the computer you are typing on would be impossible to
design without calculus, same applies to cell phones and a number of
other useful things considered miraculous just few decades ago.
Virtually all models for electromagnetic fields and wave propagation
are unthinkable without calculus. Why can't it be uplifting? What do
you like to learn instead?
>
> I am going to defend myself and my website. I didn't start anything
> there. People called me a COMMUNIST, of all things hehe. My name isnt
> going to float around undefended.
You seem to be a highly intolerant, angry person who seems to have a
problem with money. It's easy to see how some of these attributes
could be related to a totalitarian value system.
>
> I was just basing that assumption on your already bad logic (I cant be
> Hitler, if I suck in school).
Good, but you still didn't get it, or did you? I was assigning a value
judgment, not presenting a causal chain. If I called you
inexperienced, it would be applicable regardless of you being a
bastard or a saint.
When I say that your fabrications are vile, you can't infer more
meaning from it. You could be a genius as well as a moron. You keep
talking about logic, but have you had any instruction in it? I highly
doubt it.
I don't believe I have placed a judgment on you as a person yet.
Besides, if I thought that you were hopeless, I would stop wasting my
time with you and retire to driving my Hummer and playing arcade
games.
Juraj Betak
> As I said, if the free version doesnt make the cut, I wouldn't buy it.
And as I have said, it would be a sensible thing to do, if a trusted
source recommended it, you had little time, but enough money and
wanted to support the company.
It would also be understandable, if you felt disappointed when the
product and the company have not lived up to their reputation.
>
> Yes it is juvenile. I didnt insinuate that he was using a communist
> idea or whatever so it's just stupid. It's juvenile to assume any idea
> remotely like communism is bad and therefore I'm against it. It's just
> stupid.
>
I'm glad you see it this way, since I'm utilizing your own rhetoric to
make you understand my point.
Your ignorant, self-referential behavior leads to a level of
intolerance, which is reminiscent of totalitarian value systems. You
claim freedom of speech when defending your rants, yet you deny other
people their freedom to do what they want.
There is a difference between thinking something unfavorable about
your neighbors and actually knocking on their doors and spitting in
their faces.
>
> Yes. My pages are valid, if not I try to correct them. It's not hard
> to make commercially viable pages with CSS layout and valid markup. I
> might just do in just for the hell of it...*
>
> *"the esoteric prophecy"
You are doing it as a hobby. When working on a commercial project you
have to answer to your client, and your client decides about your
priorities. In a corporate environment, it's your boss and your bosses
boss. Do you really think that some commercial are shoddy because
individual contributors didn't know any better? Perhaps you should
think again.
>
> Umm, IF? What if I my computer exploded and... yeah if questions for
> the most part are pointless.
This thread got started because you said that *if* Stan didn't use
Opera, he was a liar and *if* did, he was an idiot. Neither statement
was based on verifiable facts, and I have to agree with you - they
were both pointless.
>
> No. Glazman just felt good because he wanted to finally get me back,
> since he looked pretty stupid on a few turns back. He failed again.
Yes and we are all keeping the score. How ridiculous!
>
> It's simple to use and learn. Not simple as in Mosaic with 3 buttons
> simple. It's simple for all the features it has in it. Unlike bottled
> war, there is no alternative to Opera that's worth it, at least for
> me.
>
> Misguided: "Based or acting on error" What error(s) is this, btw?
I have not seen one single positive contribution from you - anywhere.
It seems as if you indulged in a negative, almost nihilistic attitude
and refused to act constructively.
I would suggest that you take a hard look at your overly
self-referential and simplistic outlook on the world, the reality
might not be what you think it is.
MozillaCensorsMe
> mozillac...@yahoo.com (MozillaCensorsMe) wrote in message
>
> > Yes teach me stuff that will be of no use to me ever. Same couldn't be
> > said of sports, well ones that are actually physically requiring. The
>
> The amount of physical exertion required for competitive sports is far
> from biological necessity. People just like it, and they like it lot
> more than other, more abstract activities. This only shows that as a
> species we are closer to the animal kingdom than we would want to
> admit.
>
Biological necessity? Stephen Hawking shows that in today's age, no
exercise is needed. Please stop this semi-scientific non-sense.
> > body needs some sort of exercise or it dilapidates. Simple as that.
> > Instead of boring classes, I could take something more uplifting, not
> > quit school obviously.
>
> And your mind doesn't atrophy? Things as a meaningful as you (or your
> instructor) make them.
>
I could think of doing other, less bring things. I'm pretty sure most
people at my school are with me on this one. Most things taught are
useless and boring.
> The internals of the computer you are typing on would be impossible to
> design without calculus, same applies to cell phones and a number of
> other useful things considered miraculous just few decades ago.
>
Well I don't really care. I don't want to make cell phones or
computers. I'd like to read a good book, without having to ruin it
with pointless ANALization.
> Virtually all models for electromagnetic fields and wave propagation
> are unthinkable without calculus. Why can't it be uplifting? What do
> you like to learn instead?
>
Yawn. As I said, I'd like to read a book without being told what it
has to mean and what the author meant about some obscure object on
page whatever line whatever. And then I love it when I'm told that
common sense things that should make sense are just my imagination and
that I "seem determined to fail." I'd like to have a few months were I
can just be. I'm sure I could think of more exciting things to do.
> >
> > I am going to defend myself and my website. I didn't start anything
> > there. People called me a COMMUNIST, of all things hehe. My name isnt
> > going to float around undefended.
>
> You seem to be a highly intolerant, angry person who seems to have a
> problem with money. It's easy to see how some of these attributes
> could be related to a totalitarian value system.
>
Intolerant? How? People slur me with crap, I'm going to fight back
just for the hell of it. Simple. Standing up for myself isn't
intolerant by any measure. Angry? Perhaps in this text-only setting it
does come out that way. By most accounts, I'm comical and over the
edge.
Problem with money? What? Where? How? WTF?
> >
> > I was just basing that assumption on your already bad logic (I cant be
> > Hitler, if I suck in school).
>
> Good, but you still didn't get it, or did you? I was assigning a value
> judgment, not presenting a causal chain. If I called you
> inexperienced, it would be applicable regardless of you being a
> bastard or a saint.
>
I'm appearantly still confused: So where exactly does Hitler flow into
things?
> When I say that your fabrications are vile, you can't infer more
> meaning from it. You could be a genius as well as a moron. You keep
> talking about logic, but have you had any instruction in it? I highly
> doubt it.
>
Instruction in logic? Watching too much Star Wars, huh? You sound like
Yoda for some reason.
> I don't believe I have placed a judgment on you as a person yet.
> Besides, if I thought that you were hopeless, I would stop wasting my
> time with you and retire to driving my Hummer and playing arcade
> games.
HAHA I like that.
MozillaCensorsMe
> mozillac...@yahoo.com (MozillaCensorsMe) wrote in message >
>
> > As I said, if the free version doesnt make the cut, I wouldn't buy it.
>
> And as I have said, it would be a sensible thing to do, if a trusted
> source recommended it, you had little time, but enough money and
> wanted to support the company.
>
> It would also be understandable, if you felt disappointed when the
> product and the company have not lived up to their reputation.
>
I wouldnt moan about it.
> >
> > Yes it is juvenile. I didnt insinuate that he was using a communist
> > idea or whatever so it's just stupid. It's juvenile to assume any idea
> > remotely like communism is bad and therefore I'm against it. It's just
> > stupid.
> >
>
> I'm glad you see it this way, since I'm utilizing your own rhetoric to
> make you understand my point.
>
Mozilla's artwork isn't coicidently like communism's, though.
> Your ignorant, self-referential behavior leads to a level of
> intolerance, which is reminiscent of totalitarian value systems. You
> claim freedom of speech when defending your rants, yet you deny other
> people their freedom to do what they want.
>
Ignorant? Self-referential? Deny freedom? Sure, make your communist
posters. I never said that wasn't anyone's right. I simply said it's
disgusting.
> There is a difference between thinking something unfavorable about
> your neighbors and actually knocking on their doors and spitting in
> their faces.
>
I simply said it was disgusting.
> >
> > Yes. My pages are valid, if not I try to correct them. It's not hard
> > to make commercially viable pages with CSS layout and valid markup. I
> > might just do in just for the hell of it...*
> >
> > *"the esoteric prophecy"
>
> You are doing it as a hobby. When working on a commercial project you
> have to answer to your client, and your client decides about your
> priorities. In a corporate environment, it's your boss and your bosses
> boss. Do you really think that some commercial are shoddy because
> individual contributors didn't know any better? Perhaps you should
> think again.
>
Sounds like a rat race indeed. BTW, it's not harder to code validating
pages than non-validating pages. Oh sorry, I forgot. Let's not leave
the NS 4.x users behind. Let's have pixel-based designs so it doesn't
work in cell phones at all. BTW, It's also called short-sightedness.
For example, hummer.com doesnt allow Opera in (unless you change it).
Why? Because some idiot spent extra time making extra code to restrict
some browsers. Opera, btw, can handle hummer.com if it wasn't locked
out. So please, don't give me any of this "corporate" BS.
[Too bad you missed the funnier point.]
> >
> > Umm, IF? What if I my computer exploded and... yeah if questions for
> > the most part are pointless.
>
> This thread got started because you said that *if* Stan didn't use
> Opera, he was a liar and *if* did, he was an idiot. Neither statement
> was based on verifiable facts, and I have to agree with you - they
> were both pointless.
>
Yes.
> >
> > No. Glazman just felt good because he wanted to finally get me back,
> > since he looked pretty stupid on a few turns back. He failed again.
>
> Yes and we are all keeping the score. How ridiculous!
>
Certainly.
> >
> > It's simple to use and learn. Not simple as in Mosaic with 3 buttons
> > simple. It's simple for all the features it has in it. Unlike bottled
> > war, there is no alternative to Opera that's worth it, at least for
> > me.
>
> >
> > Misguided: "Based or acting on error" What error(s) is this, btw?
>
> I have not seen one single positive contribution from you - anywhere.
> It seems as if you indulged in a negative, almost nihilistic attitude
> and refused to act constructively.
>
Well look around a bit harder.
> I would suggest that you take a hard look at your overly
> self-referential and simplistic outlook on the world, the reality
> might not be what you think it is.
Oh well Enlightened One please do share what the world is. If your
answer begins with the following phrases "in the corporate world" or
"in the real world" or "other people won't stand your attitude",
please save yourself a few lines and don't write.
J. Betak
I wouldnt moan about it.
Mozilla's artwork isn't coicidently like communism's, though.
Ignorant? Self-referential? Deny freedom? Sure, make your communist posters. I never said that wasn't anyone's right. I simply said it's disgusting.
I simply said it was disgusting.
Sounds like a rat race indeed. BTW, it's not harder to code validating pages than non-validating pages. Oh sorry, I forgot. Let's not leave the NS 4.x users behind. Let's have pixel-based designs so it doesn't work in cell phones at all. BTW, It's also called short-sightedness.
[Too bad you missed the funnier point.]
Yes and we are all keeping the score. How ridiculous!Certainly.
Well look around a bit harder.
Oh well Enlightened One please do share what the world is. If your answer begins with the following phrases "in the corporate world" or "in the real world" or "other people won't stand your attitude", please save yourself a few lines and don't write.
J. Betak
>Biological necessity? Stephen Hawking shows that in today's age, no
>exercise is needed. Please stop this semi-scientific non-sense.
>
I think you are contradicting yourself, since it was you who pointed out
bodily atrophy. I subsequently referred to it as "biological necessity".
I respect Hawking as a person and I think it's terrible that has this
condition. But for the sake of argument: I would suggest considering his
life expectancy and life expectancy of other ALS victims, as well as the
cost of requisite life support systems. It would be impossible to
administer similar care to a large number of people.
>I could think of doing other, less bring things. I'm pretty sure most
>people at my school are with me on this one. Most things taught are
>useless and boring.
>
>
Fair enough. And I could think of better activities than being a
"corporate whore". Some of them include watching Star Wars.
>Well I don't really care. I don't want to make cell phones or
>computers. I'd like to read a good book, without having to ruin it
>with pointless ANALization.
>
I can certainly empathize with that, in fact I believe that the
traditional school system is getting quite anachronic. Thankfully, there
is homeschooling and in this country also other alternatives (that money
can buy). You should consider yourself lucky that you weren't born 10
years earlier and didn't have to attend schools in what was then
communist Hungary. They would were even less understanding than your
school here, I talk from experience.
>Yawn. As I said, I'd like to read a book without being told what it
>has to mean and what the author meant about some obscure object on
>page whatever line whatever. And then I love it when I'm told that
>common sense things that should make sense are just my imagination and
>that I "seem determined to fail." I'd like to have a few months were I
>can just be. I'm sure I could think of more exciting things to do.
>
Again I can empathize with that feeling. I'd see the root cause is the
fact that teaching is not a very lucrative career option in this
country. You should consider however that even if you were instructed in
a less structured environment, you would still have to pass structured
exams. People just want to have some sort of evaluation metrics, and
certain level of conformity would still be required. I favor
standardized multiple choice exams since they test familiarity with
curricular material and the ability to form correct judgment on these
facts. They don't really prescribe you what to think, which could
outweigh their disadvantages.
>
>Intolerant? How? People slur me with crap, I'm going to fight back
>just for the hell of it. Simple. Standing up for myself isn't
>intolerant by any measure. Angry? Perhaps in this text-only setting it
>does come out that way. By most accounts, I'm comical and over the
>edge.
>
>
Fair enough, I don't intend to take you that perception. However, it
does seem as if you were harassing people on this board (and other
forums). You should also consider the fact that most technical people
lack certain social graces. I'm not quite sure that you have them
either, but I believe it explains the ensuing flame wars to some degree.
>Problem with money? What? Where? How? WTF?
>
Well, then explain this to me: if I don't pay for Opera and end up
hating it, according to you I'd be better than when I did buy it and end
up feeling the same. Same applies to Hummer owners. There is plenty of
people spending their money in way I would not approve of. Why should I
sigle out H2 owners? Why should they be any worse than your average Joe
driving his F150?
On several occasion you would refer to people as "money-grubbing",
"whores" and similar pejoratives. Most of the things you criticize (or
as you say "parody") involves spending or earning money. Except for the
C++ rant, which actually might be funny to some people, I just can't see
other, less money-oriented rants. And even in this one rant, you were
hoping that Bjarne didn't earn much money with C++, so even there money
was made to a discussion topic.
>I'm appearantly still confused: So where exactly does Hitler flow into
>things?
>
>
A counterexample selected using the "logic" you kept seeing in my
original post. And from what I can tell, it was an effective one.
>
>Instruction in logic? Watching too much Star Wars, huh? You sound like
>Yoda for some reason.
>
Now, now. To you I am Yoda, little one... Besides, I thought we settled
this already - I'm playing arcade games. My days have only 24 hours like
everyone else's, and to the best of my knowledge I don't suffer from a
multiple personality disorder yet ;-)
MozillaCensorsMe
> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
>
> >I wouldnt moan about it.
> >
> He didn't moan, it was a reply to your recommendation to use Opera.
>
Since I can figure things out on my own on a userfriendly browser, I
recommend it only to those then who are confident pressing big
buttons. That's the basic requirement for Opera.
> >
> >Mozilla's artwork isn't coicidently like communism's, though.
> >
>
> I believe that Mozilla's artwork is not beneficial to the project. Jwz
> misjudged the ability of broad public to understand and follow his
> motives the same way you keep misjudging people's ability to interpret
> and tolerate your sense of humor.
>
That's true, the jwz stuff. People don't give a damn. People don't
even know basic terminology. Without or without artwork, people are
just plain dumb. Perhaps the web developed too fast without regard for
basic education of the public. Odd enough how jwz didnt realize that
since he actively worked for one of these erring companies.
> >
> >Ignorant? Self-referential? Deny freedom? Sure, make your communist
> >posters. I never said that wasn't anyone's right. I simply said it's
> >disgusting.
> >
> And you are entitled to that opinion. However your posting style paired
> with excessive repetition and offensive content (e.g. raised middle
> finger) can be readily compared to a verbal assault. You didn't just
> comment on the artwork, because everyone has heard that - even before
> you started posting here.
>
The middle finger is for offensively (to my intelligence) stupid
people who might make the response "GEE DUH, Texaco is then communist
too I guess! What a moron! DUH" It's for people who fail to read a
paragraph that was already linked to them, for example.
> >
> >I simply said it was disgusting.
> >
> Freedom of speech and harassment are incompatible.
>
You don't have to open my links. You don't have to answer. You don't
have to read. By clicking on my links, my name, etc you forfit your
complaints. As you can easily killfile me, you can't complain about
"harassment." However, if you choose to talk to me, please don't be
stupid.
> >Sounds like a rat race indeed. BTW, it's not harder to code validating
> >pages than non-validating pages. Oh sorry, I forgot. Let's not leave
> >the NS 4.x users behind. Let's have pixel-based designs so it doesn't
> >work in cell phones at all. BTW, It's also called short-sightedness.
> >
> I'm sure you have worked on group projects, haven't you? More often than
> not the results are less than ideal, not due to the inability of
> participating individuals, but due to miscommunication or simply group
> dynamics. Sometimes it's more desirable to have one person work on a
> project, even though it will take longer to complete. The vast majority
> of projects however require a team effort. The project timeline or the
> scope leave no other choice.
>
Cyclical: "Sounds like a rat race indeed."
> >[Too bad you missed the funnier point.]
> >
> No I didn't miss it. And some Hummer owners were getting it too, until
> they realized that you were there for the sole purpose of harassing
> them. That's not entertainment Andras, that's just offensive behavior.
>
No no no. That's NOT the esoteric thingy. It's one of those taunts to
leave in the past so I can link to it in the future. Don't worry about
it though.
Well those Hummer owners were true pricks without brains. I love the
part where because I don't support $100,000 cars, I must be a Marxist.
I mean come on. An essay over, you will find some very anti-communist
text. For me that just spells stupid.
And how exactly did that Hummer thing begin: "This is conclusive proof
that any idiot can have their own web site nowadays!" and that I am
too "poor to even look at a HUMMER!!!" Doesn't sound very nice.
I mean seriously. "Any one care to guess what kind of system he
thereby promotes? Iosif Dzhugashvili (aka Stalin) would be proud of
him!" ME and Stalin in the same sentence, when I have entire
paragraphs dedicated to calling Stalin a murderer?
> >>Yes and we are all keeping the score. How ridiculous!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Certainly.
> >
> So why don't you take it offline?
>
Take what offline? Glazman says I troll Opera, I am going to respond.
I'm not going to let that fly over.
> >
> >Well look around a bit harder.
> >
> It's really hard to find, perhaps you would like to point it out to me?
>
> >
> >Oh well Enlightened One please do share what the world is. If your
> >answer begins with the following phrases "in the corporate world" or
> >"in the real world" or "other people won't stand your attitude",
> >please save yourself a few lines and don't write.
> >
> You know parody is funnier when you actually know what you are talking
> about ;-)
>
>
Harhar.
J. Betak
>
>Since I can figure things out on my own on a userfriendly browser, I
>recommend it only to those then who are confident pressing big
>buttons. That's the basic requirement for Opera.
>
It's sad that you have chosen to ignore the whole discussion, but we are
getting used to this: when Andras runs out of arguments he starts to
oversimplify and spew insults. Like a little frustrated kid. And you are
surprised that people call you a troll?
>
>That's true, the jwz stuff. People don't give a damn. People don't
>even know basic terminology. Without or without artwork, people are
>just plain dumb. Perhaps the web developed too fast without regard for
>basic education of the public. Odd enough how jwz didnt realize that
>since he actively worked for one of these erring companies.
>
Why don't you take up with him? Or Asa, his successor?
BTW those erring companies made him a millionaire. I'll watch in
suspense when you launch your own company.
>The middle finger is for offensively (to my intelligence) stupid
>people who might make the response "GEE DUH, Texaco is then communist
>too I guess! What a moron! DUH" It's for people who fail to read a
>paragraph that was already linked to them, for example.
>
You have no right to become offensive and insulting, just because you
*perceive* someone to be less intelligent than yourself. More other than
not it's a misconception on your part, but even if it were the case you
just can't do that.
If I knock the on my neighbor's door and subsequently call her a "slut"
because I don't like her, I can't hide behind freedom of speech. And I
won't be surprised she called me an asshole in return. Perhaps her
husband would pull out his rifle and resolve the issue on the spot, I
hear that it could be even legal in some states.
>
>You don't have to open my links. You don't have to answer. You don't
>have to read. By clicking on my links, my name, etc you forfit your
>complaints. As you can easily killfile me, you can't complain about
>"harassment." However, if you choose to talk to me, please don't be
>stupid.
>
Or black or female or *pick your favorite discriminatory attribute*.
You have no right to be here since you made harassment your modus
operandi. This newsgroup was established to facilitate communication.
You don't communicate, you fuck with people.
>>I'm sure you have worked on group projects, haven't you? More often than
>>not the results are less than ideal, not due to the inability of
>>participating individuals, but due to miscommunication or simply group
>>dynamics. Sometimes it's more desirable to have one person work on a
>>project, even though it will take longer to complete. The vast majority
>>of projects however require a team effort. The project timeline or the
>>scope leave no other choice.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Cyclical: "Sounds like a rat race indeed."
>
If you equate team projects with a rat race, then I wish you best of
luck with your solitary undertakings. You will go places.
>No no no. That's NOT the esoteric thingy. It's one of those taunts to
>leave in the past so I can link to it in the future. Don't worry about
>it though.
>
Why not? It's very similar to what you are doing here.
>Take what offline? Glazman says I troll Opera, I am going to respond.
>I'm not going to let that fly over.
>
Yeah and you insult Stan and number of other people, yet they don't feel
the same urge you feel. Can you explain that?
>Harhar.
>
And you ran out of meaningful arguments again.
For parody to work you actually need to imitate something and that
requires at least passing familiarity with the subject. With every rant
it becomes more obvious how little you know about *anything*. Your
parody is more like tragicomedy, with you as the tragic hero.
MozillaCensorsMe
> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
>
> >Biological necessity? Stephen Hawking shows that in today's age, no
> >exercise is needed. Please stop this semi-scientific non-sense.
> >
> I think you are contradicting yourself, since it was you who pointed out
> bodily atrophy. I subsequently referred to it as "biological necessity".
>
Stephan Hawking's body has atrophied. Even if he could walk, there'd
be no muscle for him to physically walk, at least right then and
there. No contradiction. Exercise is a biological necessity that leads
to reversing atrophy. That sounds smart.
> I respect Hawking as a person and I think it's terrible that has this
> condition. But for the sake of argument: I would suggest considering his
> life expectancy and life expectancy of other ALS victims, as well as the
> cost of requisite life support systems. It would be impossible to
> administer similar care to a large number of people.
>
Yes.
> >I could think of doing other, less bring things. I'm pretty sure most
> >people at my school are with me on this one. Most things taught are
> >useless and boring.
> >
> >
> Fair enough. And I could think of better activities than being a
> "corporate whore". Some of them include watching Star Wars.
>
I like that word a lot. SW, whatever ever suits your tastes.
> >Well I don't really care. I don't want to make cell phones or
> >computers. I'd like to read a good book, without having to ruin it
> >with pointless ANALization.
> >
> I can certainly empathize with that, in fact I believe that the
> traditional school system is getting quite anachronic. Thankfully, there
> is homeschooling and in this country also other alternatives (that money
> can buy). You should consider yourself lucky that you weren't born 10
> years earlier and didn't have to attend schools in what was then
> communist Hungary. They would were even less understanding than your
> school here, I talk from experience.
>
Yes. American schooling is probably more liberal and open than
Hungarian, even now. That's still relative.
> >Yawn. As I said, I'd like to read a book without being told what it
> >has to mean and what the author meant about some obscure object on
> >page whatever line whatever. And then I love it when I'm told that
> >common sense things that should make sense are just my imagination and
> >that I "seem determined to fail." I'd like to have a few months were I
> >can just be. I'm sure I could think of more exciting things to do.
> >
> Again I can empathize with that feeling. I'd see the root cause is the
> fact that teaching is not a very lucrative career option in this
> country. You should consider however that even if you were instructed in
> a less structured environment, you would still have to pass structured
> exams. People just want to have some sort of evaluation metrics, and
> certain level of conformity would still be required. I favor
> standardized multiple choice exams since they test familiarity with
> curricular material and the ability to form correct judgment on these
> facts. They don't really prescribe you what to think, which could
> outweigh their disadvantages.
>
But should education teach TO these tests? If it does, the measuring
is inaccurate since it's not the knowledge that's being tested but the
test is being tested.
> >
> >Intolerant? How? People slur me with crap, I'm going to fight back
> >just for the hell of it. Simple. Standing up for myself isn't
> >intolerant by any measure. Angry? Perhaps in this text-only setting it
> >does come out that way. By most accounts, I'm comical and over the
> >edge.
> >
> >
> Fair enough, I don't intend to take you that perception. However, it
> does seem as if you were harassing people on this board (and other
> forums). You should also consider the fact that most technical people
> lack certain social graces. I'm not quite sure that you have them
> either, but I believe it explains the ensuing flame wars to some degree.
>
I don't care about manners, it's the blatant stupidity that worries
me. The Texaco type comments. The "~ $100,000 vehicle supporter =
Marxist" on the other side.
> >Problem with money? What? Where? How? WTF?
> >
> Well, then explain this to me: if I don't pay for Opera and end up
> hating it, according to you I'd be better than when I did buy it and end
> up feeling the same. Same applies to Hummer owners. There is plenty of
Exactly. You didnt waste money on it. Supposing you have a limited
source of money for such things.
> people spending their money in way I would not approve of. Why should I
> sigle out H2 owners? Why should they be any worse than your average Joe
> driving his F150?
>
It was a caricature of a type of people stereotyped by most. My friend
suggested the idea to me that Hummer owners had an inferiority complex
down below etc. It's hilarious. So, I twsietd* this caricture to such
offensive levels that no one should interpret it as true. However,
considering the comments I got, I might have to reevaluate that...
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/elcova/
> On several occasion you would refer to people as "money-grubbing",
> "whores" and similar pejoratives. Most of the things you criticize (or
> as you say "parody") involves spending or earning money. Except for the
> C++ rant, which actually might be funny to some people, I just can't see
> other, less money-oriented rants. And even in this one rant, you were
> hoping that Bjarne didn't earn much money with C++, so even there money
> was made to a discussion topic.
>
Well let's run thru my articles real quick.
Dasani. Anyone here think that their advertisements are actually
"real"? Water is water, without or without the invisible "mineral
content". It's all about image.
RIAA, both articles. The first, the spokesmen are hypocrites. You have
a cocaine addict saying that Kazaa is "taking money away from his
kid". Let's see now... In the second article, I factually prove how
the RIAA raised prices of their CDS and as the price of CD's went up,
less CD's were bought. Simple.
Andras the President: All true and worth a try.
Hummer. Did you catch the part where they called me a stupid ignorate?
Almost as good as litterature.
Zeldman. Perhaps the most non-opinion driven article on the site.
> >I'm appearantly still confused: So where exactly does Hitler flow into
> >things?
> >
> >
>
> A counterexample selected using the "logic" you kept seeing in my
> original post. And from what I can tell, it was an effective one.
>
I still don't see where Hitler flows into things. I might see
backpaddling.
> >
> >Instruction in logic? Watching too much Star Wars, huh? You sound like
> >Yoda for some reason.
> >
>
> Now, now. To you I am Yoda, little one... Besides, I thought we settled
> this already - I'm playing arcade games. My days have only 24 hours like
> everyone else's, and to the best of my knowledge I don't suffer from a
> multiple personality disorder yet ;-)
Well I never liked Yoda. His smart ass quotes belong at best in the
walls of public bathrooms. Arcades are fun though.
DN
"MozillaCensorsMe" <mozillac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > people spending their money in way I would not approve of. Why should I
> > sigle out H2 owners? Why should they be any worse than your average Joe
> > driving his F150?
For that matter, the H2 is just a Tahoe underneath the bodywork. It is an
insult to the original H1 owners.
us...@domain.invalid
> For that matter, the H2 is just a Tahoe underneath the bodywork. It is an
> insult to the original H1 owners.
At better than half the cost, so what? $109,000 vs $52,000 !!!
DN
<us...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:bj5cf3$qb...@ripley.netscape.com...
Yeah, and a $19,000 Jeep will run circles around it off-road!
MozillaCensorsMe
Oh why yes what a good point. NOT. http://www.andkon.com/stuf/hummer/
us...@domain.invalid
What !!!???? Take a Hummer "off-road"??? You gotta be kidding !!! ;-)
DN
"MozillaCensorsMe" <mozillac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > people spending their money in way I would not approve of. Why
should I
> > > > sigle out H2 owners? Why should they be any worse than your average
Joe
> > > > driving his F150?
> >
> >
> > For that matter, the H2 is just a Tahoe underneath the bodywork. It is
an
> > insult to the original H1 owners.
>
> Oh why yes what a good point. NOT. http://www.andkon.com/stuf/hummer/
You might want to check out:
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332526&highlight=H2
DN
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331186&highlight=H2
MozillaCensorsMe
> MozillaCensorsMe wrote:
>
> >
> >Since I can figure things out on my own on a userfriendly browser, I
> >recommend it only to those then who are confident pressing big
> >buttons. That's the basic requirement for Opera.
> >
> It's sad that you have chosen to ignore the whole discussion, but we are
> getting used to this: when Andras runs out of arguments he starts to
> oversimplify and spew insults. Like a little frustrated kid. And you are
> surprised that people call you a troll?
>
Well if you want to put it that way. I just don't can't think of a way
that Opera isn't user friendly and completely simple to use. It can't
be any simpler to use. BTW, it'd be nice to know what Stan's original
problem(s) were with Opera. If it has to do with the browser's
JS/CSS/HTML implementation, then that's offtopic.
> >
> >That's true, the jwz stuff. People don't give a damn. People don't
> >even know basic terminology. Without or without artwork, people are
> >just plain dumb. Perhaps the web developed too fast without regard for
> >basic education of the public. Odd enough how jwz didnt realize that
> >since he actively worked for one of these erring companies.
> >
> Why don't you take up with him? Or Asa, his successor?
> BTW those erring companies made him a millionaire. I'll watch in
> suspense when you launch your own company.
>
Yes so he's rich. So what? It doesn't change the fact that the
internet boom of the 90's was too fast without any thinking.
> >The middle finger is for offensively (to my intelligence) stupid
> >people who might make the response "GEE DUH, Texaco is then communist
> >too I guess! What a moron! DUH" It's for people who fail to read a
> >paragraph that was already linked to them, for example.
> >
>
> You have no right to become offensive and insulting, just because you
> *perceive* someone to be less intelligent than yourself. More other than
> not it's a misconception on your part, but even if it were the case you
> just can't do that.
>
Texaco and similiar instances are not misconceptions. Why can't I do
that? As I said, no one has to open links, read, reply.
> If I knock the on my neighbor's door and subsequently call her a "slut"
> because I don't like her, I can't hide behind freedom of speech. And I
No people knock on my door by opening my links and choosing to post
back similar insults. So if put a sign in my window that says COME
OVER YOU SLUT and you open my door, I will call you a slut. It's
simple as that.
> won't be surprised she called me an asshole in return. Perhaps her
> husband would pull out his rifle and resolve the issue on the spot, I
> hear that it could be even legal in some states.
>
As I said, open my messages, open my links, or reply that's my house.
> >
> >You don't have to open my links. You don't have to answer. You don't
> >have to read. By clicking on my links, my name, etc you forfit your
> >complaints. As you can easily killfile me, you can't complain about
> >"harassment." However, if you choose to talk to me, please don't be
> >stupid.
> >
> Or black or female or *pick your favorite discriminatory attribute*.
> You have no right to be here since you made harassment your modus
> operandi. This newsgroup was established to facilitate communication.
This newsgroup should be closed and not open then. Mozillazine seems
to live up to that ideal so I can't see why these NG's can't. Oh wait,
that's right because "open source with closed communication" doesnt
sound awfully good.
> You don't communicate, you fuck with people.
>
That's not true. I have afterall changed my views twice before on this
whole Mozilla issue. If you think I am "fucking" with you, don't
reply.
> >>I'm sure you have worked on group projects, haven't you? More often than
> >>not the results are less than ideal, not due to the inability of
> >>participating individuals, but due to miscommunication or simply group
> >>dynamics. Sometimes it's more desirable to have one person work on a
> >>project, even though it will take longer to complete. The vast majority
> >>of projects however require a team effort. The project timeline or the
> >>scope leave no other choice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Cyclical: "Sounds like a rat race indeed."
> >
> If you equate team projects with a rat race, then I wish you best of
> luck with your solitary undertakings. You will go places.
>
Perhaps. I was commenting on the "leave no other choice" part. As in,
without a choice.
> >No no no. That's NOT the esoteric thingy. It's one of those taunts to
> >leave in the past so I can link to it in the future. Don't worry about
> >it though.
> >
> Why not? It's very similar to what you are doing here.
>
You still don't get it. The first time I mentioned that, my response
in light of the near future will be a hilarious quote. It in no way
ties in with this discussion.
> >Take what offline? Glazman says I troll Opera, I am going to respond.
> >I'm not going to let that fly over.
> >
>
> Yeah and you insult Stan and number of other people, yet they don't feel
> the same urge you feel. Can you explain that?
>
Yep. They choose to ignore. It's their right to do so. I haven't said
anything that was a lie or made up. I said he is either a liar or just
plain dumb. Or is the keyword.
Another factor is the "more you talk to me, the more stupid stuff will
surface." Glazman talked to me how many times? 5, 10? How many times
did he same something completely wrong? 3, 4? Of course most people
aren't that stuck back and feel as though they better stop. Unless of
course you love having your face with the words moron etc that 200/300
visitors each day will see.
>
> >Harhar.
> >
> And you ran out of meaningful arguments again.
>
I don't have to argue everything. I don't have to dispute everything.
Instead of others (like in this group or Hummer or anywhere else), I
choose to answer every paragraph. I don't cut anything (sigs or
extremely long posts not included). As a result, I sometimes answer by
a single word. Simple as that. Certainly beats cutting it and ignoring
it altogether.
> For parody to work you actually need to imitate something and that
> requires at least passing familiarity with the subject. With every rant
> it becomes more obvious how little you know about *anything*. Your
> parody is more like tragicomedy, with you as the tragic hero.
Everything is relative. For example someone came up to me at school
just this very day and told me that "Your Hummer article is sooo
funny. I tell everyone about it." And yet some people think that "It's
so stupid that I feel dumber for having just read it." Now just
because you don't like the subjects of my parody, that's just too bad.
I simply don't care.
MozillaCensorsMe
Yes Yes. My point isnt that the H2 is better/worse than the H1. (They
both suck.) The Hummer page was intended as a parody as you probably
see.
DN
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/hummer/
> > >
> > >
> > > You might want to check out:
> > >
> >
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332526&highlight=H2
> > >
> > >
> > I should have included:
> >
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331186&highlight=H2
>
> Yes Yes. My point isnt that the H2 is better/worse than the H1. (They
> both suck.) The Hummer page was intended as a parody as you probably
> see.
I gathered that.
I liked the one where they likened the H2 to a station wagon, and said both
Hummers are kind of fussy offroad.