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From: marti...@ihuxt.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Martillo)
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Subject: Re: test for Jewishness
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Date: Tue, 17-Jul-84 20:53:19 EDT
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>>>Test for Jewishness = Eligibility for the concentration camps

>> This statement is a rather negative definition of Jewishness and gives no
>> reason for pride in Jewishness.
>> 	Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo

>Exactly.  The point being:  why let other people define who YOU are?
>Am I a Jew when Martillo has deemed it so?  When Nazis have deemed it so?
>Am I a Jew because you say I am?  Do I have some obligations imposed on me
>because someone else has stated that I am a member of some group without
>my input or consideration?

I do not define whether a person is Jewish. Mishpat yehudi (Jewish law)
does.  Very often when I deal with ignorant secular Western VusVusim, who
make mindless statements, I rather wish I could define who is a Jew.  
Rosen's statement is manifestly stupid.  The U.S.A.
government places obligations on many people (perhaps even Mr. Rosen)
simply because an accident of birth (in which I doubt Mr. Rosen had any
input) made him fit the U.S.A. legal definition of citizen.

>I don't take statements like "You have to do it for your race/religion/family."
>very seriously.  Since, so often, such externally imposed obligations are used
>as a propagandistic tool to rile you up to fight a bloody conflict for
>something you have no part in and don't even believe in.

Yet another mindless leftist VusVus cosmopolitan stupidity.  Humans have
slaughtered each other for universalistic reasons (as in revolutionary
France, Russia or China) as least as often as they have slaughtered each
for narrow tribal reasons.  Groveling cosmopolitan VusVusim were stunned
when the Nazis came for them.  "How could modern civilized cultured human
beings who happened to be of German extraction somehow finger us modern
civilized cultured human beings who happen to be of Jewish extraction and
slaughter us."  VusVusim like Rosen were utterly paralyzed into inaction.

But we primitive tribal Sefardim understood.  Modern and civilized are just
buzzwords for the latest intellectual fad.  Antiochus Epiphanos was
representive of the modern high culture of his age.  Sometimes, the
stranger commits unspeakable crimes for no comprehensible reason.  When he
attacks our brothers and sisters, we cut out his heart.  If Rosen would not
even defend his family (and I assume that means his children as well), he
is beneath contempt and unworthy of any trust.

Knowing with absolute certainty when to fight for a cause perhaps requires
a prophet but at least we savages know when to defend ourselves.

-- 

Who wouldn't break for whales?

Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo