Several months ago there was a long discussion about the lack of dairy products in Chinese cuisine, with lots of speculation about lactose intolerance, etc. Well, it put a bee in my bonnet, and I'm just now getting around to posting the questions raised in my mind.
I was always told as a child that if you did not eat a combination of foods from the "four groups" (meats, grains, veggies, and dairy products) that you just wouldn't be healthy. Well, if the oriental races don't eat any dairy products to speak of, how can they stay healthy? They must be getting the calcium and other nutrients from somewhere; where is it?
Along the same lines, is the (apparently) bogus importance of dairy products just a bunch of simplistic propaganda promulgated by the dairy industry?
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> I was always told as a child that if you did not eat a combination > of foods from the "four groups" (meats, grains, veggies, and dairy > products) that you just wouldn't be healthy. Well, if the oriental > races don't eat any dairy products to speak of, how can they stay > healthy? ... > Along the same lines, is the (apparently) bogus importance of dairy > products just a bunch of simplistic propaganda promulgated by the > dairy industry?
The concept of the "four groups" is indeed simplistic propaganda. It's promoted by the "legitimate" food companies (and some of the snack companies, notably Hershey's) and administered by schoolteachers who find it easy to teach. I remember when the schools taught not 4 but 7 "basic food groups." The old classification was more accurate, but it probably proved too great a strain on the public memory.
The most reliable rule is still to eat what appeals to you. The easiest rule is still to eat what's at hand.
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> The concept of the "four groups" is indeed simplistic propaganda.
No, it has been well established that everyone should and probably does eat foods daily from the four basic food groups, which are: 1. Caffeine 2. Chocolate 3. Carbohydrates and 4. Preservatives
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In article <2...@aecom.UUCP> wer...@aecom.UUCP (Craig Werner) writes: >> The concept of the "four groups" is indeed simplistic propaganda.
> No, it has been well established that everyone should and probably >does eat foods daily from the four basic food groups, which are: > 1. Caffeine > 2. Chocolate > 3. Carbohydrates >and 4. Preservatives
In article <2...@sunybcs.UUCP> colo...@sunybcs.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) writes:
>The most reliable rule is still to eat what appeals to you.
I don't agree with this. I know of some chemists who could (and do) whip up some absolutely delicious things with almost zero nutritional value. When people lived in caves this worked, but not any more.
> The concept of the "four groups" is indeed simplistic propaganda. > It's promoted by the "legitimate" food companies (and some of the > snack companies, notably Hershey's) and administered by schoolteachers > who find it easy to teach. I remember when the schools taught not 4 > but 7 "basic food groups." The old classification was more accurate, > but it probably proved too great a strain on the public memory.
> The most reliable rule is still to eat what appeals to you. The > easiest rule is still to eat what's at hand.
Here at Valid, we have what is known as the "four Engineering food groups". We try to eat some of each every day:
1) Caffeine 2) Sugar 3) Salt 4) Grease
Note that by simply eating pizza and drinking Dr. Peppper you have satisfied all four groups!
-- John Oswalt (..!{hplabs,amd,pyramid,ihnp4}!pesnta!valid!jao)
As the student newspaper here had it, SAGA (Soviet Attempt to Gag America, the campus food service from which I am mercifully free this year) had its own FIVE food groups: sugar, salt, starch, grease, and pimentos. --pH /* * "I looked at my lunch tray and something looked back." */
> Here at Valid, we have what is known as the "four Engineering food > groups". We try to eat some of each every day:
> 1) Caffeine > 2) Sugar > 3) Salt > 4) Grease
> Note that by simply eating pizza and drinking Dr. Peppper you have > satisfied all four groups!
Here in the Bay Area, there's a slight variant: Nature's most nearly perfect food is Irish Coffee, which supplies THESE four essential food groups -- alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. EVERYBODY knows that salt is bad for you :-)!
>> The concept of the "four groups" is indeed simplistic propaganda.
> No, it has been well established that everyone should and probably >does eat foods daily from the four basic food groups, which are: > 1. Caffeine > 2. Chocolate > 3. Carbohydrates >and 4. Preservatives
> >The most reliable rule is still to eat what appeals to you.
> I don't agree with this. I know of some chemists who could (and do) whip > up some absolutely delicious things with almost zero nutritional value. > When people lived in caves this worked, but not any more.
One of my favorite party tricks is to make a parody of a fast food restaurant chocholate milk shake using a little Hershey's syrup, a LOT of water, and some carrageenan or methyl cellulose. It looks like a McShake, flows like a McShake, just about tastes like a McShake, and has virtually no food value...
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> > >The most reliable rule is still to eat what appeals to you.
> > I don't agree with this. I know of some chemists who could (and do) whip > > up some absolutely delicious things with almost zero nutritional value. > > When people lived in caves this worked, but not any more.
> One of my favorite party tricks is to make a parody of a fast food > restaurant chocolate milk shake using a little Hershey's syrup, a LOT of > water, and some carrageenan or methyl cellulose. It looks like a McShake, > flows like a McShake, just about tastes like a McShake, and has virtually > no food value...
Parody? I think that's the genuine recipe, except that you should use generic chocolate syrup--it cuts costs.
I'll bet Franey could tell it from the real thing, though.
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I just picked up a book from a public library: _Everything_You_Wanted _to_Know_about_Nutrition_, by David Reuben, M.D. (author of _The_ Save-Your-Life_Diet). He pooh-poohed just about EVERYTHING in the food industry. Regarding milk, he gave it a very low opinion. His claims: calcium (and Vit. D) you can get from dozens of other foods, e.g. turnip greens, whole wheat bread, peanuts, beans, olives etc. The human body rejects 80% of all the calcium you eat to keep the blood concentration low. Also, in the States milk makes a lot of money: it's the only basic food which has a reverse price control, ie "there is a minimum price for milk and it cannot be legally sold for less." So, it's the dairy people who did all the pushing that made us believe that milk is necessary for EVERYBODY.
Of course, I don't believe everything I read, but last Saturday there was this supplement which came with the newspaper: a glossy, four-page, full-colored ad on milk. The big letters which ran across two pages read CALCIUM. Then it goes on to tell you just how good milk is in supplying you with CALCIUM and VIT D. Finally, in small print at the end, it sez "brought to you by the Dairy Farmers of Ontario". Hmm, I'm beginning to have my doubts and I no longer feel guilty about not having milk at least once every day....
ps I believe tofu is rather rich in calcium and eggs are rich in Vit. D, so these nutrients are indeed present in the Chinese diet. -- Henry Chai ( guest on suran@utcsri ) {watmath,ihnp4,allegra}!utcsri!utflis!chai chai%utflis@TORONTO
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> Regarding milk, he gave it a very low opinion. His claims: > calcium (and Vit. D) you can get from dozens of other foods, e.g. > turnip greens, whole wheat bread, peanuts, beans, olives etc.
Local papers have published several stories stating that spinach and several other dark green 'greens' were counter productive for calcium since they contain oxallic acid which inhibits calcium assimilation. I also agree that milk is overrated, but it is a hell of a lot better than tea, coffee, coke, diet soda, etc. Some people should only consume skim milk, but milk is one of the most complete foods. If I had to choose 2 foods, I would choose milk and eggs. If I had to choose 10 foods, I wouldn't choose either one.
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