NPR- Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
C.Tudor
"An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
annually.
If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
Anyone can make their opinion known:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
by Joseph Shapiro
September 14, 2009 Among all the players in the health care debate,
doctors may be the least understood about where they stand on some of
the key issues around changing the health care system. Now, a new survey
finds some surprising results: A large majority of doctors say there
should be a public option.
When polled, "nearly three-quarters of physicians supported some form of
a public option, either alone or in combination with private insurance
options," says Dr. Salomeh Keyhani. She and Dr. Alex Federman, both
internists and researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New
York, conducted a random survey, by mail and by phone, of 2,130 doctors.
They surveyed them from June right up to early September.
Most doctors � 63 percent � say they favor giving patients a choice that
would include both public and private insurance. That's the position of
President Obama and of many congressional Democrats. In addition,
another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only;
they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two
groups add up to 73 percent.
When the American public is polled, anywhere from 50 to 70 percent favor
a public option. So that means that when compared to their patients,
doctors are bigger supporters of a public option.
Doctors' Support For Public Option 'Broad And Widespread'
The researchers say they found strong support for a public option among
all categories of doctors. "We even saw that support being the same
whether physicians lived in rural areas or metropolitan areas," says
Federman.
"Whether they lived in southern regions of the United States or
traditionally liberal parts of the country," says Keyhani, "we found
that physicians, regardless � whether they were salaried or they were
practice owners, regardless of whether they were specialists or primary
care providers, regardless of where they lived � the support for the
public option was broad and widespread."
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Mario Tama/Getty ImagesDoctors and other supporters of health care
overhaul attend a candlelight vigil in New York City in September 2009.
The gathering was one of hundreds nationwide honoring those suffering
under the current health care system.
Mario Tama/Getty ImagesDoctors and other supporters of health care
overhaul attend a candlelight vigil in New York City in September 2009.
The gathering was one of hundreds nationwide honoring those suffering
under the current health care system.
Keyhani says doctors already have experience with government-run health
care, with Medicare. And she says the survey shows that, overall, they
like it. "We've heard a lot about how the government is standing in
between patients and their physician," Keyhani says. "And what we can
see is that physicians support Medicare. So I think physicians have sort
of signaled that a public option that's similar in design to Medicare
would be a good way of ensuring patients get the care that they need."
The survey was published online Monday by the New England Journal of
Medicine. It was funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, a health
care research organization that favors health reform.
AMA Doctors Also Support Public Option
The survey even found widespread support for a public option among
doctors who are members of the American Medical Association, a group
that's opposed to it. The AMA fears a public option eventually could
lead to government putting more limits on doctors' fees.
"The American Medical Association has traditionally been probably the
loudest voice for physicians across the United States," says Federman.
"And part of our reason for doing this research was really to get at the
real voice of physicians as opposed to the voice of one physician
organization."
Keyhani and Federman belong to another, smaller group, the National
Physicians Alliance. It supports a public option, and Keyhani has spoken
publicly about her own support for a public option.
What Would A Public Option Look Like?
It's hard to know for sure what doctors mean when they speak about a
public option, says Dr. James Rohack, president of the AMA.
"Because when I say public option, or you say public option, it means
different things to different people, kind of like the Rorschach ink
blot test � when you look at it, to some people it means one thing, to
other people it means the other thing."
Politicians in Washington turn to the AMA for support and guidance, even
though fewer than a third of practicing doctors belong to the lobbying
group.
The AMA's own position on a health overhaul has, at times, been hard to
pinpoint. In July, it praised the bill that came out of the House of
Representatives. That bill included a public option. But the AMA made it
clear that what it really liked was that it eliminated cuts in doctors'
fees from Medicare.
"And so I think that's why we need to be very clear about what does the
AMA articulate for," says Rohack. "It's to make sure that everyone has
coverage that's affordable, that's portable and that is quality � that
is, it covers the things you need to cover because you've got a medical
condition or developed a medical illness."
Related NPR Stories
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
Jim Alder
@news.dslextreme.com:
> NPR: Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
>
> "An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
> annually.
> If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
> Anyone can make their opinion known:
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
> http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
> ----------------------------------------
Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government
expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are
part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan
under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about
shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new
IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the
doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government
can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=337909690110379#
--
So, how's that whole "hopey - changey"
thing working out for you so far?
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off than Americans. American
citizenship is worth less than zero!
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the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
YankFan
> NPR: Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
>
> "An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
> annually.
> If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
> ----------------------------------------
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
>
> Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
> by Joseph Shapiro
>
> September 14, 2009 Among all the players in the health care debate,
> doctors may be the least understood about where they stand on some of
> the key issues around changing the health care system. Now, a new survey
> finds some surprising results: A large majority of doctors say there
> should be a public option.
>
> When polled, "nearly three-quarters of physicians supported some form of
> a public option, either alone or in combination with private insurance
> options," says Dr. Salomeh Keyhani. She and Dr. Alex Federman, both
> internists and researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New
> York, conducted a random survey, by mail and by phone, of 2,130 doctors.
> They surveyed them from June right up to early September.
>
> would include both public and private insurance. That's the position of
> President Obama and of many congressional Democrats. In addition,
> another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only;
> they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two
> groups add up to 73 percent.
>
> When the American public is polled, anywhere from 50 to 70 percent favor
> a public option. So that means that when compared to their patients,
> doctors are bigger supporters of a public option.
>
> Doctors' Support For Public Option 'Broad And Widespread'
>
> The researchers say they found strong support for a public option among
> all categories of doctors. "We even saw that support being the same
> whether physicians lived in rural areas or metropolitan areas," says
> Federman.
>
> "Whether they lived in southern regions of the United States or
> traditionally liberal parts of the country," says Keyhani, "we found
> practice owners, regardless of whether they were specialists or primary
> other people it means the other thing."
>
> Politicians in Washington turn to the AMA for support and guidance, even
> though fewer than a third of practicing doctors belong to the lobbying
> group.
>
> The AMA's own position on a health overhaul has, at times, been hard to
> pinpoint. In July, it praised the bill that came out of the House of
> Representatives. That bill included a public option. But the AMA made it
> clear that what it really liked was that it eliminated cuts in doctors'
> fees from Medicare.
>
> "And so I think that's why we need to be very clear about what does the
> AMA articulate for," says Rohack. "It's to make sure that everyone has
> is, it covers the things you need to cover because you've got a medical
> condition or developed a medical illness."
> Related NPR Stories
> Doctors Say Current System Impedes Medical Care June 15, 2009
> What The 'Gang Of Six' Wants From Health Care Bill Sep. 9, 2009
> Doctors Say Health Care Rationing Already Exists July 1, 2009
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
NPR!!! HA HA HA. that's like saying that MSNBC hires real journalists.
HA HA HA
neoconis_ignoramus
> "C.Tudor" <charlestu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4ab2872e$0$16458$bd467cd0
IBD - the same geniuses who said McDope was winning 70+% of the youth
vote last fall!
Nice try, dipshit. Try harder than the buffoons at IBD next time.
Dumbfuck.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/ibdtipp-doctors-poll-is-not-trustworthy.html
IBD/TIPP Doctors Poll Is Not Trustworthy
by Nate Silver @ 11:58 AM
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I'm flying 35,000 feet somewhere over Eastern Ohio now -- isn't
technology wonderful? -- so I can only comment on this briefly, but
the Investors' Business Daily poll purporting to show widespread
opposition to health care reform among doctors is simply not credible.
There are five reasons why:
1. The survey was conducted by mail, which is unusual. The only other
mail-based poll that I'm aware of is that conducted by the Columbus
Dispatch, which was associated with an average error of about 7
percentage points -- the highest of any pollster that we tested.
2. At least one of the questions is blatantly biased: "Do you believe
the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less
money and th quality of care will be better?". Holy run-on-sentence,
Batman? A pollster who asks a question like this one is not intending
to be objective.
3. As we learned during the Presidntial campaign -- when, among other
things, they had John McCain winning the youth vote 74-22 -- the IBD/
TIPP polling operation has literally no idea what they're doing. I
mean, literally none. For example, I don't trust IBD/TIPP to have
competently selected anything resembling a random panel, which is
harder to do than you'd think.
4. They say, somewhat ambiguously: "Responses are still coming in."
This is also highly unorthodox. Professional pollsters generally do
not report results before the survey period is compete.
5. There is virtually no disclosure about methodology. For example,
IBD doesn't bother to define the term "practicing physician", which
could mean almost anything. Nor do they explain how their
randomization procedure worked, provide the entire question battery,
or anything like that.
My advice would be to completely ignore this poll. There are pollsters
out there that have an agenda but are highly competent, and there are
pollsters that are nonpartisan but not particularly skilled. Rarely,
however, do you find the whole package: that special pollster which is
both biased and inept. IBD/TIPP is one of the few exceptions.
Phlip
> >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
>
> NPR!!! HA HA HA. that's like saying that MSNBC hires real journalists.
> HA HA HA
Go ask your personal physician, if any, if she or he supports Public
Option. Get back to us about it, k?
Jim Alder
> Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>> "C.Tudor" <charlestu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > NPR: �Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
>>
>> > "An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option �would be $1,000 to $1,200
>> > annually. If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
>> > Anyone can make their opinion known: http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
>> > http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>> > http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
>> > --------------------
>>
>> Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government
>> expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors
are
>> part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.
>>
>> Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan
>> under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think
about
>> shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new
>> IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
>>
>> It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the
>> doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government
>> can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
>>
>> 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care
Overhaul
>>
>> http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=337909690110379#
>
> IBD - the same geniuses who said McDope was winning 70+% of the youth
> vote last fall!
>
> Nice try, dipshit. Try harder than the buffoons at IBD next time.
Because some one-man blog site says so? I don't know or care who Nate
Silver is, but he doesn't seem to be literate, thinking that "practicing
physician" can mean "almost anything"! Psst! It means a working doctor! He
also sees 'bias' in this sentence; "Do you believe the government can cover 47
million more people and it will cost less money and the quality of care will
be better?" What's biased about it? It's the core of Obama's promise.
And while he considers IBD to be partisan, I don't see you complaining
about NPR.
> Dumbfuck.
Shithead.
> http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/ibdtipp-doctors-poll-is-not-
--
Phlip
> thing working out for you so far?
Jim, could you do us a favor and join YankFan in our "survey of 1"
project?
Go ask your own primary care physician if she or he supports Public
Option, and bring the answer here. Whatever it is.
Thanks!
YankFan
Uh, first of all my doctor can't stand the son of a bitch. Every time
I go into his office he's complaining about the "asshole" as he calls
him. If this shit comes down the line he'll be closing his doors and
retiring. And we'll be left with, government crap. like the VA. Want
to die in a hallway of a hospital while your paperwork is being pulled
out of a black-hole, Go to a VA Hospital.
neoconis_ignoramus
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Go look Silver up. He apparently knows a fair amount, having
predicted Obama's delegate count to within 20 and electoral votes over
McDope pefectly except for, I believe, 1 state (MO), all of this while
IBDummies were saying McDope was courting 70 percent of the youth
vote. Also he nailed the popular vote count to within 20-30 basis
points, far better than any other polling outfit did. In short, he
knows statistics and polling; IBD doesn't.
But I'd guess that you'd rather put your faith into a group of morons
who actually not only didn't question the "stastical" result that
McDope was cleaning up on young voters, they proudly published the
drivel.
Uber Dumbfuck.
bvallely
>
> "An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
> annually.
> If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
> ----------------------------------------
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
>
> Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
> by Joseph Shapiro
>
> September 14, 2009 Among all the players in the health care debate,
> doctors may be the least understood about where they stand on some of
> the key issues around changing the health care system. Now, a new survey
> finds some surprising results: A large majority of doctors say there
> should be a public option.
>
> When polled, "nearly three-quarters of physicians supported some form of
> a public option, either alone or in combination with private insurance
> options," says Dr. Salomeh Keyhani. She and Dr. Alex Federman, both
> internists and researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New
> York, conducted a random survey, by mail and by phone, of 2,130 doctors.
> They surveyed them from June right up to early September.
.
1. this poll was not done by pollsters, but a couple on interns.
2. The interns make no bones about openly supporting ObamaCare.
3. There's no indication how the doctors were chosen to take part in
the survey.
4. The wording of the questions were not revealed.
5. The survey was taken in June.
In short - get out of here.
YankFan
Why the hell would you think that Physicians want this shit passed.
1. You think that they want to work for a cluster *#&@, government
bureaucracy like the VA, DMV, Post Office...?
2. What do expect their yearly salary to be, $40,000.?
3. How many more patients per day do you expect them to have, in
already over crowded waiting rooms?
4. What kind of quality care do you expect them to give to these 40
millions more people. Since, they (government) better rush these
medical students down the pipeline asap. If you could find them and
are willing.
5. Since the Government will set prices on how much to charge for
services, what makes you think a person would go through all the of
the problems of the last 4 questions?
neoconis_ignoramus
1. You think physicians like working with insurance companies? Uh
Yeah dipshit, you run with that.
2. There is a good possibility that they'll get paid just as much if
not MORE for services under a gov't option than they currently do by
private insurers. There's at least 5-10% profit spread the insurance
company is taking that the gov't won't. The gov't can put it back
into rates.
3. If the docs are seeing more patients per day, then they'll get
paid more, stupid. That's the whole idea behind "fee for service"
reimbursement rate methodolgy, which the gov't option would pay under.
4. Oh, I get it, we should continue to promote a system in which
individuals and families can go bankrupt as a result of medical bills
and one that spends the most per-capita of any country in the world,
with middling outcomes.
5. Again, you don't think private insurers already set prices,
dipshit? Or do you think that in their magnanimous nature, they just
give docs any amount they want?
You know nothing about the issue, so I suggest you STFU before you
make a bigger fool of yourself.
Phlip
> > Jim, could you do us a favor and join YankFan in our "survey of 1"
> > project?
>
> > Go ask your own primary care physician if she or he supports Public
> > Option, and bring the answer here. Whatever it is.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> Why the hell would you think that Physicians want this shit passed.
Non responsive - move to strike.
Did you ask your doctor yet?
Phlip
> Yeah dipshit, you run with that.
Here is an actual conversation between a doctor and her HMO
representative, recorded without their knowledge in Massachusetts. The
names have been changed to protect the guilty:
Doc: How can I run checkups for only $ per patient? All my nurses
and hardware cost me $$$$.
HMO: See more patients in the day!
Doc: But each one needs a detailed explanation what to do and not
to do, or their situation will get worse.
HMO: Fuck'em.
Phlip
> make a bigger fool of yourself.
Has that advice EVAR worked around here??
Jim Alder
And what's your reply to all those questions I just asked about the
credibility or ability of your source? You want ME to "look him up" below.
> Go look Silver up.
YOU look him up. He's your source. Oh, that's right, you believe him
without question. That's why you didn't bother answering MY questions above,
right?
> He apparently knows a fair amount, having
> predicted Obama's delegate count to within 20 and electoral votes over
> McDope pefectly except for, I believe, 1 state (MO), all of this while
> IBDummies were saying McDope was courting 70 percent of the youth
> vote. Also he nailed the popular vote count to within 20-30 basis
> points, far better than any other polling outfit did.
And yet he is running a one-man blog site. Quite the under-achiever, don't
you think?
> In short, he
> knows statistics and polling; IBD doesn't.
Yeah, what would INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY know about numbers? We should
believe YOUR source when he talks about his competitors. Because they did
their poll through the MAIL!? What kind of idiots use the postal service to
take a poll?
> But I'd guess that you'd rather put your faith into a group of morons
No, I don't know any of your friends.
> who actually not only didn't question the "stastical" result that
> McDope was cleaning up on young voters, they proudly published the
> drivel.
When? And where? He picked up a ton of the youth vote when he chose Palin
as a running mate, until the lying left assassinated her character, with all
the help in the world from the lying left media. Was THAT when they gave
McCain the youth vote? Or do you even know?
> Uber Dumbfuck.
You're still a shithead.
Jim Alder
4531d9...@v2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> On Sep 17, 3:38�pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > �So, how's that whole "hopey - changey" �thing working out for you
>> > so far?
>>
>> Jim, could you do us a favor and join YankFan in our "survey of 1"
>> project?
>>
>> Go ask your own primary care physician if she or he supports Public
>> Option, and bring the answer here. Whatever it is.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Why the hell would you think that Physicians want this shit passed.
I don't think "think" is the right word there. He BELIEVES it because
it's what he's told and he HAS to believe it.
> 1. You think that they want to work for a cluster *#&@, government
> bureaucracy like the VA, DMV, Post Office...?
> 2. What do expect their yearly salary to be, $40,000.?
> 3. How many more patients per day do you expect them to have, in
> already over crowded waiting rooms?
> 4. What kind of quality care do you expect them to give to these 40
> millions more people. Since, they (government) better rush these
> medical students down the pipeline asap. If you could find them and
> are willing.
> 5. Since the Government will set prices on how much to charge for
> services, what makes you think a person would go through all the of
> the problems of the last 4 questions?
Gives a lot more credibility to MY poll, doesn't it?
--
Jim Alder
306ab5...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>> You know nothing about the issue, so I suggest you STFU before you
>> make a bigger fool of yourself.
>
> Has that advice EVAR worked around here??
Hard to say. None of you clueless morons will take the advice and STFU.
--
C.Tudor
> neoconis_ignoramus <bella...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>> "C.Tudor" <charlestu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NPR: Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
>>>> "An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
>>>> annually. If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
>>>> Anyone can make their opinion known: http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
>>>> http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>>>> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
>>>> --------------------
>>> Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government
>>> expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors
> are
>>> part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.
>>>
>>> Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan
>>> under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think
> about
...
>> Nice try, dipshit. Try harder than the buffoons at IBD next time.
>
> Because some one-man blog site says so? I don't know or care who Nate
> Silver is, but he doesn't seem to be literate, thinking that "practicing
> physician" can mean "almost anything"! Psst! It means a working doctor! He
> also sees 'bias' in this sentence; "Do you believe the government can cover 47
> million more people and it will cost less money and the quality of care will
> be better?" What's biased about it? It's the core of Obama's promise.
> And while he considers IBD to be partisan, I don't see you complaining
> about NPR.
The main problem with that IBD "poll" is that the numbers are a count of
whatever was mailed back to them. The vast majority of the doctors
didn't mail it back. Some of those mailed back could have been filled
out by their pre-school children. It's not a scientific poll.
C.Tudor
> On Sep 17, 11:59 am, "C.Tudor" <charlestu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> NPR: Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
>>
>> "An 'affordable' Health Care Public Option would be $1,000 to $1,200
>> annually.
>> If no truly 'affordable' public option, then no Obama 2012."
>> Anyone can make their opinion known:http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfmhttp://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
>>
>> Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option
>> by Joseph Shapiro
>>
>> September 14, 2009 Among all the players in the health care debate,
>> doctors may be the least understood about where they stand on some of
>> the key issues around changing the health care system. Now, a new survey
>> finds some surprising results: A large majority of doctors say there
>> should be a public option.
>>
>> When polled, "nearly three-quarters of physicians supported some form of
>> a public option, either alone or in combination with private insurance
>> options," says Dr. Salomeh Keyhani. She and Dr. Alex Federman, both
>> internists and researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New
>> York, conducted a random survey, by mail and by phone, of 2,130 doctors.
>> They surveyed them from June right up to early September.
>>
>> would include both public and private insurance. That's the position of
>> President Obama and of many congressional Democrats. In addition,
>> another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only;
>> they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two
>> groups add up to 73 percent.
>>
>> When the American public is polled, anywhere from 50 to 70 percent favor
>> a public option. So that means that when compared to their patients,
>> doctors are bigger supporters of a public option.
>>
>> Doctors' Support For Public Option 'Broad And Widespread'
>>
>> The researchers say they found strong support for a public option among
>> all categories of doctors. "We even saw that support being the same
>> whether physicians lived in rural areas or metropolitan areas," says
>> Federman.
>>
>> "Whether they lived in southern regions of the United States or
>> traditionally liberal parts of the country," says Keyhani, "we found
>> practice owners, regardless of whether they were specialists or primary
>> other people it means the other thing."
>>
>> Politicians in Washington turn to the AMA for support and guidance, even
>> though fewer than a third of practicing doctors belong to the lobbying
>> group.
>>
>> The AMA's own position on a health overhaul has, at times, been hard to
>> pinpoint. In July, it praised the bill that came out of the House of
>> Representatives. That bill included a public option. But the AMA made it
>> clear that what it really liked was that it eliminated cuts in doctors'
>> fees from Medicare.
>>
>> "And so I think that's why we need to be very clear about what does the
>> AMA articulate for," says Rohack. "It's to make sure that everyone has
>> is, it covers the things you need to cover because you've got a medical
>> condition or developed a medical illness."
>> Related NPR Stories
>> Doctors Say Current System Impedes Medical Care June 15, 2009
>> What The 'Gang Of Six' Wants From Health Care Bill Sep. 9, 2009
>> Doctors Say Health Care Rationing Already Exists July 1, 2009
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
>
> NPR!!! HA HA HA. that's like saying that MSNBC hires real journalists.
> HA HA HA
NPR didn't do the survey; it was done my medical researchers. NPR was
reporting the fact that the survey was published online in the "New
England Journal of Medicine." The doctors who did the survey belong to
an organization that supports a "public option." The Journal article
link is here:
http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home
C.Tudor
Is there something wrong with June? It's just now September. Was there
a revolution during the last three months that I slept through? The
study was done my medical researchers, M.D.'s, not interns. It was
published by "The New England Journal of Medicine." It's here:
http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home
neoconis_ignoramus
Bwahahahaa, you actually think Palin was attracting the youth vote?
Man, you're dumber than I thought.
Ok, I'll do your dumb ass a favor, and post Silver's Wiki link here.
BTW, does graduating with honors from the University of Chicago,
studying at the London School of Economics, correctly predicting the
winner of every U.S. Senate race in 2008, and getting named as one of
the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine last
year qualify as being an "under achiever", as you deemed him? Makes
those IBD buffoons look like Jim Alders by comparison. And, of
course, that is NOT a compliment.
Mega dumbfuck.
Jim Alder
b068-ca6...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
Yes, I think so and kiss my ass.
> Ok, I'll do your dumb ass a favor, and post Silver's Wiki link here.
Hey, you're not doing ME any favors - it's your source. Amd this comes as
a huge surprise; "At first [his] work appeared on the political blog Daily
Kos."
> BTW, does graduating with honors from the University of Chicago,
> studying at the London School of Economics, correctly predicting the
> winner of every U.S. Senate race in 2008, and getting named as one of
> the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine last
> year qualify as being an "under achiever", as you deemed him?
Well, he does write a great autobiography. Or do you think someone else
did all that research into that Wikipedia article?
> Makes those IBD buffoons look like Jim Alders by comparison. And, of
> course, that is NOT a compliment.
Not to me, anyway.
> Mega dumbfuck.
You're still just a shithead.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver
Jim Alder
@news.dslextreme.com:
How many didn't?
> Some of those mailed back could have been filled
> out by their pre-school children.
How many were?
> It's not a scientific poll.
But then, your 'analysis' is about on a par with a 4th grade book report.
YankFan
wrote:
> On Sep 17, 4:53 pm, YankFan <mmarga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 3:38 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > So, how's that whole "hopey - changey"
> > > > thing working out for you so far?
>
> > > Jim, could you do us a favor and join YankFan in our "survey of 1"
> > > project?
>
> > > Go ask your own primary care physician if she or he supports Public
> > > Option, and bring the answer here. Whatever it is.
>
> > > Thanks!
>
> > Why the hell would you think that Physicians want this shit passed.
>
> > 1. You think that they want to work for a cluster *#&@, government
> > bureaucracy like the VA, DMV, Post Office...?
> > 2. What do expect their yearly salary to be, $40,000.?
> > 3. How many more patients per day do you expect them to have, in
> > already over crowded waiting rooms?
> > 4. What kind of quality care do you expect them to give to these 40
> > millions more people. Since, they (government) better rush these
> > medical students down the pipeline asap. If you could find them and
> > are willing.
> > 5. Since the Government will set prices on how much to charge for
> > services, what makes you think a person would go through all the of
> > the problems of the last 4 questions?
>
> 1. You think physicians like working with insurance companies? Uh
> Yeah dipshit, you run with that.
of doctors stopped taking long time ago. Does your doctor take those
as payments? They have the freedom, to chose which insurances to go
with.
> 2. There is a good possibility that they'll get paid just as much if
> not MORE for services under a gov't option than they currently do by
> private insurers. There's at least 5-10% profit spread the insurance
> company is taking that the gov't won't. The gov't can put it back
> into rates.
Bullshit. That is the reason they don't take those other insurances
mentioned above. They are late in payment and give the doctors a
fraction of the cost. Get a clue before posting bullshit propaganda.
> 3. If the docs are seeing more patients per day, then they'll get
> paid more, stupid. That's the whole idea behind "fee for service"
> reimbursement rate methodolgy, which the gov't option would pay under.
Hey MORON. It doesn't matter how much more they get paid for seeing
more patients. You're still have only a certain amount of hours per
day to give these patients quality care. the government will not pay
those measly payments on time. You are delusional. You are a dumb
ass!
> 4. Oh, I get it, we should continue to promote a system in which
> individuals and families can go bankrupt as a result of medical bills
> and one that spends the most per-capita of any country in the world,
> with middling outcomes.
The majority of Americans are very satisfied with the coverage they
have. Assholes like yourself just want to change the whole system for
people that cannot afford healthcare, instead of setting some
regulations in place like, Tort, medical malpractice, choices across
states...
That would bring down the cost of healthcare for everyone. You
assholes just want to throw out the baby with the bath water, to set
policy and set the socialist agenda, that the Marxist in the white
house wants to impose on all of us..
> 5. Again, you don't think private insurers already set prices,
> dipshit? Or do you think that in their magnanimous nature, they just
> give docs any amount they want?
>
Fair prices that doctors can live with, numb-nut! Not government set
prices, like medicaid...
> You know nothing about the issue, so I suggest you STFU before you
> make a bigger fool of yourself.
You are the dumb-ass that knows nothing about, healthcare. Just like
the numbskull that's in the White House. You both need to get educated
on the issues. Get with the program and go out and talk to real
America, that marched on the White House lawn. Obama and lemmings like
yourself, only want a government takeover of all private sector and
turn our Republic in to Socialist State. Simple as that. At least have
the cojones to admit it.
Phlip
> The majority of Americans are very satisfied with the coverage they
> have.
Did you ask your own doctor if she or he supports Public Option yet?
Whatever they say, you can post it here, k?
neoconis_ignoramus
Um, STUPID FUCK, HMO's ARE insurance companies. Do I really need to
continue on after you post this idiocy? Just because they "have the
freedom to choose which insurances to go with" doesn't actually mean
they like it, now does it, dipshit? Oh, by the way, they only have
the "freedom" to do so with the insurance companies (read: HMO's ya
fuckin moron) who are licensed in that state to issue insurance. Do
you have any clue what CalOptima is, by the way? Or is that something
your stupid ass has heard of by living behind the Orange Curtain?
> > 2. There is a good possibility that they'll get paid just as much if
> > not MORE for services under a gov't option than they currently do by
> > private insurers. There's at least 5-10% profit spread the insurance
> > company is taking that the gov't won't. The gov't can put it back
> > into rates.
>
> Bullshit. That is the reason they don't take those other insurances
> mentioned above. They are late in payment and give the doctors a
> fraction of the cost. Get a clue before posting bullshit propaganda.
Medicare pays less than commerical, and most doctors take it,
dipshit. There has not been ANY rates discussed with the public
option, so you don't even fuckin know whether they'd be competitive.
> > 3. If the docs are seeing more patients per day, then they'll get
> > paid more, stupid. That's the whole idea behind "fee for service"
> > reimbursement rate methodolgy, which the gov't option would pay under.
>
> Hey MORON. It doesn't matter how much more they get paid for seeing
> more patients. You're still have only a certain amount of hours per
> day to give these patients quality care. the government will not pay
> those measly payments on time. You are delusional. You are a dumb
> ass!
Simple, stupid - if there's more demand for enrollees, then there will
be a corresponding increase in the supply of physicians - either
through a typical office setting, or clinic, or the like. Econ too
hard for you, dipshit?
> > 4. Oh, I get it, we should continue to promote a system in which
> > individuals and families can go bankrupt as a result of medical bills
> > and one that spends the most per-capita of any country in the world,
> > with middling outcomes.
>
> The majority of Americans are very satisfied with the coverage they
> have. Assholes like yourself just want to change the whole system for
> people that cannot afford healthcare, instead of setting some
> regulations in place like, Tort, medical malpractice, choices across
> states...
> That would bring down the cost of healthcare for everyone. You
> assholes just want to throw out the baby with the bath water, to set
> policy and set the socialist agenda, that the Marxist in the white
> house wants to impose on all of us..
LMFAO the "practice across states" drivel. This represents a
fundamental lack of comprehension on how private insurance works. Get
it straight, ya fuckin dope - insurance companies cannot "write across
state lines" because they DON'T HAVE A PROVIDE NETWORK. Who the fuck
are you going to see if your insurance companies don't have any
doctors, hospitals, specialists, etc. signed up where you live, stupid
fuck? The people that spout this drivel are fuckin clueless about the
subject.
There is no "policy" or "socialist agenda" here, stupid fuckin loon.
Health care costs are and will continue to bankrupt the country. We
need to reduce them in any way possible. Reducing the profiteering in
the system and eliminating administrative redundancies would result in
billions / year of savings, without making a single change to
benefits. You're just too fuckin dumb to realize it, and too fuckin
ignorant to recognize your stupidity.
> > 5. Again, you don't think private insurers already set prices,
> > dipshit? Or do you think that in their magnanimous nature, they just
> > give docs any amount they want?
>
> Fair prices that doctors can live with, numb-nut! Not government set
> prices, like medicaid...
>
> > You know nothing about the issue, so I suggest you STFU before you
> > make a bigger fool of yourself.
>
> You are the dumb-ass that knows nothing about, healthcare. Just like
> the numbskull that's in the White House. You both need to get educated
> on the issues. Get with the program and go out and talk to real
> America, that marched on the White House lawn. Obama and lemmings like
> yourself, only want a government takeover of all private sector and
> turn our Republic in to Socialist State. Simple as that. At least have
> the cojones to admit it.- Hide quoted text -
Real America marched on the WH Lawn? All I saw was a bunch of
undermployed kooks carrying stupid-assed signs, angry at everything
that doesn't comport to their childlike worldview.
YankFan
wrote:
> On Sep 18, 10:55 am,YankFan<mmarga...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 5:25 pm, neoconis_ignoramus <bellamac...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
>
> > > > On Sep 17, 3:38 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > So, how's that whole "hopey - changey"
> > > > > > thing working out for you so far?
>
> that doesn't comport to their childlike worldview.
>
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
Look we are all in agreement that you are just a lemming. You'll spew
out anything that the left or this administration is willing to shove
down our throats. No matter how much of the private sector, is
government controlled. There's no convincing people like you. You
sound just like the lunatics in Washington, Polosi, Reid, Obama... No
clue as to what the American People really want and don't care. No
matter what the polls say. Ideologies and partisanship is all that
counts to you. This is the reason this President and his
administration's numbers are plummeting. Calling, those protesters
"underemployed" shows the ignorance and disdained of anyone that
disagrees with your ideologies. This is why Fox and talk radio is
winning this war hands down, in being the most powerful voice in
America. With all the exposure of Acorn, Van Jones... this
administration is going to be forced to be transparent, whether they
like it or not. Their feet are being held to the fire and people like
you don't like it. Obama, thought that he was going to get away with
anything and pass legislation with a free pass, with his press in his
pocket. He didn't realize the power of the new media. Just stay tuned
for more dirty laundry being aired out in front of the White House.
Oh, and by the way. This Healthcare Bill is toast. This will never
pass, with a public option. There's one thing that both sides of the
aisle agree with Baucus's Bill, they both hated. The American People
has just begun in, taking their country back from the socialists, who
has infested Washington. Go to my blog and see who this socialist,
Obama, and his men... are. You sound very young and have no clue where
all this started. I was there in the 60's and part of the SDS movement
and know first hand as to what the agenda was. That is if you don't
get bored with all the information.
neoconis_ignoramus
>
> - Show quoted text -
My my, that is one giant pile of bullshit right there. The stupidity
is so immense and continual that post may be suitable for framing.
I'm not pushing anyone's agenda here, dipshit. I think single payer
is the way to go - minimum amount of cost with most coverage. No
one's got that in their bill, now do they dipshit. No, they don't.
You go right ahead and believe that the bunch of under or UNemployed
morons that make up the teabaggers are somehow representative of a
national movement. I'll sit here and laugh at your pathetic ass.
Eddie Haskell
"neoconis_ignoramus" <bella...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:d699b568-a9d5-40d8...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
Well of course not, ignoramus. That would be honest. You don't expect the
democrats to be honest do you? How would they eve advance their agenda?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndStT6c93rc
-Eddie Haskell