Presentation topics...

[David Escandell]

I dont know how you determine topics or presenters, but I thought I
would start a thread offering topics I'd like to hear more about.
Maybe this way, if anyone is considering presenting, there would be a
menu of things people are interested in.

* SOA Patterns: The use of EJBs in enterprise
* Service implementations
* Version Control Systems: CVS
* Version Control Systems: SVN
* Version Control Systems: GIT
* Build tools: Maven
* Build tools: Ant
* Annotations: What's the point?
* Spring
* Hibernate

[Greg]

To answer your question, it sorts works the other way around. People
propose ideas, and we (the co-founders) say yeah or nay. Generally, if
it is software-based and sort of connected to Java, we say yeah.

Personally, I try to encourage making it as easy as possible for
people to present something, since without talks there is no group. To
be honest, we don't get lots of proposals. We don't have the dilema of
saying no to people. Instead, we are striving to get people to step
forward and offer material to talk about.

If you have something, we are happy to hear it. It can be anecdotal
(what I learned about version control at work...), technical (how to
use xyz in your java project), or just about anything you can think
of. Remember, we are a bunch of techno dudes getting together once a
month to jabber, and we happen to all work with java more-or-less.

[Kerry Wilson]

I think it's good to have some dialogue on this.  That way perhaps someone will say, 'hey I know a lot about that, i can present it'.  

Currently, it looks like the Android Tablet development talk will be pushed to December so November is wide open.

kw

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[David Escandell]

That should be...

   SOA Patterns: The use of ESBs in enterprise 

hehehehe

[Jeremy Ary]

I wouldn't be opposed to giving a talk about rules engines some time next year if we want to add that to the list.  My work is with Drools Expert specifically, but the "why" is the same for most engines (yet varying greatly in the "how").

On a different note, I'd like to help bring some visibility to the group, so what are the feelings on starting with the virtual front and possibly putting a domain and design together?

 - Jeremy 

[Jeremy Ary]

...not to step on toes, just considering my abilities that I can contribute. I suppose I should first inquire into how you all feel about the current state of delivery. If this suffices, what areas are we lacking in that could use some assistance?

- Jeremy

[Kerry Wilson]

Currently Greg is in charge of the site. Obviously it's a standard
posterous site. I have a hosting plan and would be glad to throw it
up on my server if we wanted to go that direction. I am not sure how
much flexibility posterous has, nor am I fully aware of the benefits
of using it over self hosting. I typically self host wordpress for
the simple fact that I like control and owning my data.

We should consider what domain to buy. njug.org is available I
believe, however I wouldn't be opposed to using something a little
less generic like 'music city jug', or 'nashville jvm user group'
since we may want to get the word out that we aren't just all about
Java. We have done scala and groovy stuff in the past.

Any thoughts?

kw

[Jeremy Ary]

I do like the sound of broadening it out a little as, for example, groovy is something that appeals to me as well, so being able to discuss in group would be nice. I think it also opens up to the avenues of repos and other tools like David has recommended. I too spotted njug.org and that's kind of what spawned the idea. My 2 cents is that it would still be easy to remember and fit the branding if we have or were to bring a logo to the table. Keeping the familiar term could also help in bringing in new members or visitors to the area as it's a natural term to search out. It's how I found out about the meeting this month.

- Jeremy

[Chris Mihalcik]

+1 for a rules engine talk!

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Jeremy Ary <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:

[David Escandell]

If SOA is an interest, I would be open to leading a talk on that for November.

I can talk about our use of JBossESB as well as SOA considerations in general.  I am by no means an expert, but I have been working on SOA related things for the past 4 years.

[David Escandell]

This is a fantastic thread of conversation.  Can we move it to a different thread though?

[Greg]

I support many of these suggestions.

0) You want to talk Drools? That would be great! Let us know and we'll
get you on the calendar.

1) If someone wants to host a site, whether it is something like
wordpress or custom, that is fine with me. Just be advised that I
won't be able to maintain it. I'll be happy to sign up for an account
so I can post entries, but that is about the amount of time I have.
It's one reason I picked posterous: free and automatically posts to
twitter. FYI: wordpress can do this with the right plugin, and it is
something I would really like. NJUG won't be funding a domain because
we don't hanle money, so if there is desire for a custom domain, then
it has to be donated by someone. Of course, wordpress.com offers
something similar to posterous, like njug.wordpress.com. Regarding
owning your own data, well I totally understand that. I just didn't
feel like I was putting THAT much info on the posterous site to need
to go that far.

2) Your right, this isn't Java The Language user group. It's Java The
Technology, which extends to the language, the runtime (which includes
any JVM language you think of like scala, groovy, clojure, erjang,
ceylong, kotlin, etc.), and java the community, which means just about
any library/JSR/components/IDEs/news you can think of are fair game
for meetings. I feel this gives us a wide range of options. To show
how open we can be, if you want to talk about a fantabulous javascript
library you use to build the front end of your java system, I would
even be open to that. (Partly because I'm playing catchup on
javascript). I'll probably draw the line if you want to demonstrate
a .NET library (but feel free to mention if your java library being
demonstrated has been ported to .NET, or you are using scala on .NET).

Personally, I think it's fine to keep going as the Nashville Java User
Group, but if you want to change that, well we need to decide what is
right venue for that. Should it be put to a vote at an actual meeting?
That would seem to empower to attendees to make the real decision. If
we actual video'd every meeting so people could remotely attend, I
would be open to online voting, but since we don't it seems those that
make it to the meetings should be given top ranked status.

Everyone has heard of JUGs, and I don't think they constrict things
too tightly over what it means. Besides, we will be defined by the
content of our site.

3) Regarding logos, that is fine with me. Just pay careful attention
to IP rights. Don't assume you can go grab some image from the
internet, tweak it, and call it a logo. It's possible you stole
someone's IP. Right now, someone is drawing a logo for my Spring
Python open source project (http://springpython.webfactional.com). I
have made it clear that if they want to contribute that, it has to be
100% free of cost and and also 100% free of IP entanglements. I don't
want to get encumbered with content I don't have full and complete
ownership of. This is where it pays to read up on Creative Commons
licensing. For some examples, check out how I license the material on
my podcast (http://pondjumpers.com, bottom right corner). I admit I
don't have any licensing stuff on the posterous site, and I should. Of
course, IANAL, but any ownership must be put in real names. We aren't
some 501c3 organization, so we can't just say that "NJUG owns it".
Whoever is volunteering to host the site, are you willing to put your
name on the license as the owner?

[Greg]

Sorry, but which part do you want to fork a discussion on: the NJUG
site or future possible discussions?

[Greg]

We aren't looking for experts, just people that use it and want to
share their experiences. :)

P.S. I have 0% experience with SOA, so I'm interested to hear what you
got.

[David Escandell]

This thread is titled for Presentation topics.  the NJUG site is a different discussion.

I was thinking from an indexing perspective ;-)

[David Escandell]

OK, I'll workup something about SOAs and ESBs for the next JUG meeting - because I was looking for something to do with my spare time ;-)

[Csaba Toth]

Hi David,

That would be so great! I'm interested in that.

Csaba

[Chris Mihalcik]

Great!

[Chris Mihalcik]

Great!

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:59 PM, David Escandell <da...@escandell.com> wrote:

[Jeremy Ary]

If it works in the calendar, I'd like to request February's meeting for a Drools/rules talk? That should still give some flexibility of an extra month for the Android speaker if something comes up regarding December's meeting. I'm also not sure I'll be in town for the January date, so best of both worlds.

[Csaba Toth]

Hi NJUG memebers,

I agree with anything what has been said so far.

Sometimes I think about how we could enhance our group and grow a
little. Certainly everyone is welcome with any presentation, resources,
ideas, etc, NJUG is a real community.

What we can do with our current accessory: we can upload slide decks and
material onto the Google Groups page. When I referred yesterday to the
Twin Cities JUG about CTX presentation
(http://www.intertech.com/UserGroups/JavaUserGroup.aspx , see Nov-10
REST with Apache CXF presentation, and about REST URLs and philosophies
Feb-11 Intro to REST seems to be a very nice slide deck) I realized that
we didn't offer existing material.

NLUG uses a free hosting (http://nlug.wikispot.org/), but I think
posterous offers more with the easy Facebook and Twitter connections.

Let's keep on going with discussion of different topics, presentations
and presenters here.

Thanks,
Csaba

[Csaba Toth]

+1 for the Drools and SOA

[Chris Mihalcik]

I'd be up for learning about any of these. We have a ANT contributor at work I might be able to cajole into presenting.

Topics I could cover:

Groovy: Want to be immediately more productive? Start using Groovy one tiny feature at a time.
Grails: The productivity of Rails on the JVM.
Fiddler: Programming for the web? It all boils down to HTTP. Fiddler is an easy to install HTTP debugging tool that lets you see and manipulate the HTTP conversation between the browser and you app server. A solid understanding of HTTP will give you insight into the myriad technologies built on top of it, including the web framework your using right now.

Topics I'd be interested in:

Functional Programming: Scala (or other JVM languages), JavaScript, Haskell, Scheme, Node.js
NOSQL: Anything on this from servers (CouchDB, Mongo) to when to use them and whento stay away.
Tools: Have you left IDEs behind for VIM? Do you have your OS tweaked out? Got a favorite utility you'd be lost without?
Methodology: Agile, Scrum, what's worked for you? What hasn't?
JSON: Is XML bad for your health?
Testing Web Apps: HTTP Unit, Selenium, SauceLabs, etc.
JavaScript Application Frameworks: Batman, Angular, ExtJS, SpoutCore, JavaScriptMVC, I could go on...
SSO on the Cheap: Anything worth using? Should I roll my own?

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, David Escandell <da...@escandell.com> wrote:

[Greg]

Okay, visit http://groups.google.com/group/nashville-jug/browse_thread/thread/473236b5a39a1001
to continue discussing the site and branding.

[Matt Benson]

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Chris Mihalcik <chris.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be up for learning about any of these. We have a ANT contributor at work
> I might be able to cajole into presenting.

Present and accounted for. However, I'm not sure what there really is
to say about Ant. I'd need some sort of feedback on "what people need
to know about Ant in 2011."

Matt

[Jeremy Ary]

Ha, I had a suspicion you were the guy Chris had in mind. Coming from a Maven shop, I don't have a lot of experience with Ant, so personally I'd like to see an overview of the tool and them maybe show off some of the slicker things Ant is capable of or perhaps tasks that you've learned it's really well suited for. If anything, I'd like to take away the knowledge of when it should come to mind as the right tool for the job as I approach a new project. Just my opinion.

- Jeremy

[Jeffrey Black]

Matt,

Being an Ant guru, have you done any work with Ivy?

That might make for a good topic.

JB

[Matt Benson]

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Jeffrey Black <jeffb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Being an Ant guru, have you done any work with Ivy?

(Without directly addressing the "guru" accusation) Our build system
here at PGAC is indeed based on Ant + Ivy. I'll try to give some
thought to what, if anything, I feel I could personally deliver
regarding either product.

Matt

[Jeffrey Black]

Hey there Matt.

An intro to on Ant + Ivy would be fun. I use Maven now, and since the last time I utilized Ant for builds, Ivy has come along.

@jeffblack360

[Toth, Csaba]

Hi NJUG Members,

I don't know who bought www.njug.org finally, but thanks. For about a week nashvillejug.posterous.org was automatically redirected to there. Unfortunately now it seems that there is a problem. Whoever is in control of that, please check it out.

Csaba

[Csaba Toth]

Hi NJUG Members,

njug.org still doesn't work. Now the domain resolution doesn't return
anything. Unfortunately our posterous site would redirect to there, so
it ends up in nowhere. I cannot find how to undo this automatic
redirection from posterous. Maybe Greg could help the most in the
posterous setup, but if anybody knows it don't hesitate to contact me.

Reading back my previous e-mail: when I said "thanks" I really mean it,
I really appreciate that someone contributes money to our community. And
I'm sure we'll resolve the issue soon.

See you,
Csaba

[Kerry Wilson]

I'll look at it when I get back. The DNS should not have changed.

kw

Sent from my Android

[Greg Turnquist]

Custom DNS has been removed from posterous.

--
Greg Turnquist (Greg.L.T...@gmail.com)

[jary]

Hi all,
Chris and I got to sit in on a talk by a fellow named Jim Siegienski
called "Code Want to be Stoopid" at BarCamp yesterday. Jim has written
code in various languages for several years (including a large stint
with Java) and currently works as a "code sample" and "previous works"
reviewer in the hiring process for Dave Ramsey's development team. He
discussed a few good ways to optimize/organize code including
separation of concerns, single-responsibility principle at the object
and method level, and loose coupling in an OO environment. I think
Chris was pretty ecstatic to see some Groovy code slides in the wild
and I felt that the greatest part of his talk was in the the delivery
as he was very cautious not to throw around these terms, but instead
spent his time convincing us as to why it makes sense to organize code
in these ways.
Personally, I felt Jim was a great speaker and I'd like to invite him
to talk to the group. Having only been in Nashville for about a year,
he seems very interested in becoming involved with the community.
Chris and I approached him and he seemed very friendly and willing to
pitch in. He said that should we extend an invitation, he'd be glad to
come meet everyone and cover a topic. He also has a talk that he
considered giving on security with REST services architecture, so
that's possibly another appealing topic we could inquire about. 
Once the site's back up and pending any objections, I'd like to send
Jim an email Wednesday (allowing some time for feedback) telling him
where he can find a little more about us and invite him to join us
next meeting where we could possibly discuss getting him on the books
for a talk. Let me know your thoughts.

- Jeremy


On Oct 5, 3:45 pm, Matt Benson <gudnabr...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jeremy Ary]

A whois on the domain shows that Kerry picked it up, so he's probably having some registry or forwarding issues. Unfortunately I don't know a lot about Posterous configuration to help identify the issue.

[Greg]

That sounds great. Site is back to original domain of
nashvillejug.posterous.com. Let him know so he can find us.

[Kerry Wilson]

The DNS should be setup now as it was before.  We were messing with it to try and redirect www.njug.org to njug.org.  It seems my host will not allow it to happen.

kw

--

http://www.allthingswilson.com

[Csaba Toth]

Hi User Group Members,

The website and the domain is running well!
The next meeting is coming up soon. I tried to read through the thread
on presentation topics and summarize what we have:

* November: David Escandell: SOA Patterns: The use of ESBs in enterprise
* December: Zach McCormick: Android Tablet development
* February: Jeremy Ary: Drools

other topics without appointment:
* Chris Mihalcik: "what people need to know about Ant in 2011.", Groovy,
Grails
* Jim Siegienski (via Jeremy Ary): security with REST services
architecture

1.) David, are you working on the presentation for November?
2.) I'll check out Zach how he progresses with the Android one.
3.) Jeremy, did you contact with Jim Siegienski? What you wrote about
him sounded very promising!
4.) I didn't find anything for January. I hope I didn't miss any
information from the thread. I wanted to talk about the Java One
conference anyway at the previous meeting. I watched the keynote
on-line. We already new lots of the announcements (Oracle presented in
our UG also), but the end of the presentation was very interesting with
the J2EE clustering!

Off-topic:
I don't know if we can add some definition of our User Group to the
posterous website. Greg wrote in one of his e-mails:
"Your right, this isn't Java The Language user group. It's Java The
Technology, which extends to the language, the runtime (which includes
any JVM language you think of like scala, groovy, clojure, erjang,
ceylong, kotlin, etc.), and java the community, which means just about
any library/JSR/components/IDEs/news"
I think that sounds great. Sometimes when I mention wide variety of
topics to people they are surprised: "But that's not Java!". Maybe our
UG should be Java and Open Source UG?

Keep up the good work!
Csaba

[Kerry Wilson]

I wouldn't be opposed to JVM user group.  Personally, I think it's understood that Java User Groups talk about anything associated with the JVM and not just Java stuff.  If you guys hear this stuff a lot maybe it would help.

kw

--

http://www.allthingswilson.com

[David Escandell]

yes, i am working on tge presentatiion.  what is the date of the meeting?

[Kerry Wilson]

The next meeting will be next Tuesday, November 1.

kw

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http://www.allthingswilson.com

[jary]

Hi all,

Sorry for the bit of delay. Last week was a busy week for me, but I
have emailed Jim and hope to hear from him soon. I've invited him to
next week's meeting, pointed him to the website, and let him know we'd
be more than happy if he'd present for us in January, March or some
time thereafter.

- J

On Oct 24, 8:09 am, Kerry Wilson <ke...@allthingswilson.com> wrote:
> The next meeting will be next Tuesday, November 1.
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> kw
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> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:49 PM, David Escandell <da...@escandell.com>wrote:
>
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[Greg Turnquist]

I've updated the website to mention this.

--
Greg Turnquist (Greg.L.T...@gmail.com)

[Toth, Csaba]

Greg: thanks for the update.

Kerry, David: yes, it’s 1^st of November, so right after the ghosts and all the spooky creatures will be gone we can have our meeting

Jeremy: thank.

[Jeremy Ary]

Hi all,

Jim's going to try and make it out to our meeting next Tuesday. He mentioned that finding meeting info on the posterous site was a challenge, so I thought I'd pass along a recommendation that we add a bit about the location, time and frequency to the Posterous site. Looking forward to seeing you all and hearing what David's got to share on SOA. Hopefully we'll have a good turnout to get a vote in on a logo as well!

- Jeremy

[Csaba Toth]

Hi David,

I think it's time to put together some announcement for the upcoming
meeting. We need some sentences about the topic and also about yourself.

Thanks,
Csaba

[Toth, Csaba]

Hey NJUG members,

 

Thanks everyone for coming to the Android Tablet presentation. I’m a little sad that Zach’s RDP didn’t work. I saw him coding before and it’d he really excels. Maybe we can invite him some day for a third presentation, which will be coding only?

Anyways, I’d like to give a brief summary where we are with presentations. Chris polled the people last time about January and no one protested against the regular meeting time. So Chris is ready to talk about Grails (after a short Groovy intro) on the 3^rd of January. Let’s start the new year with a great meeting!

 

So presentation lined up:

01/03/2012: Chris Mihalcik: Groovy, Grails

02/07/2012: Jeremy Ary: Drools

 

other topics without appointment:

* Jim Siegienski (via Jeremy Ary): security with REST services architecture

* Matt Benson: what people need to know about Ant in 2011

* Alex Winston: topic to be determined

* via Douglas Montanus: topic to be determined

 

Topics people would be interested in:

Chris Mihalcik:

* Functional Programming: Scala (or other JVM languages), JavaScript, Haskell, Scheme, Node.js

* NOSQL: Anything on this from servers (CouchDB, Mongo) to when to use them and when to stay away.

* Tools: Have you left IDEs behind for VIM? Do you have your OS tweaked out? Got a favorite utility you'd be lost without?

* Methodology: Agile, Scrum, what's worked for you? What hasn't?

* JSON: Is XML bad for your health?

* Testing Web Apps: HTTP Unit, Selenium, SauceLabs, etc.

* JavaScript Application Frameworks: Batman, Angular, ExtJS, SpoutCore, JavaScriptMVC, I could go on...

* SSO on the Cheap: Anything worth using? Should I roll my own?

 

David Escandell:

* SOA

* Service implementations

* Version Control Systems: CVS, SVN, GIT

* Build tools: Maven

* Build tools: Ant

* Annotations: What's the point?

* Spring

* Hibernate

 

As I was going through this list, I have some thoughts:

-          Bryan Hunter form Firefly Logic (current president of the .NET UG) wants to form a functional programming user’s group in Nashville, so I will try to bring in people on functional stuff, but that won’t happen soon. Bryan is an extremely smart guy, with a strong background of Erlang. And RabbitMQ. He presented on CQRS pattern, and at some conferences on Erlang and other topics.

-          Josh Bush gave an _awesome_ and very funny  talk on CouchDB at the .NET UG. Don’t worry, all of these guys are very open and not tied to .NET, I can ask him if he can tailor his talk to Java or instead of .NET, it’d worth it.

-          .NET UG also had presentation on Selenium, I can try to dig up the presenter, and ask them if they can deliver a non .NET related presentation.

 

I think I’m the only host who haven’t given any presentation yet. I will prepare something around the summer inspired my work. It’ll be something like “Stretching the limits of Hibernate, Spring and EJB in a research setting”.

 

Thannks,

Csaba

 

[Toth, Csaba]

Hey Java User Group Members,

 

I have some questions about messaging technologies. Briefly: how to secure messages, and how to address authentication issue?

 

Initial setup: there are client components which want to talk with a 3^rd party component. Without messaging: the clients can make remote calls to the 3^rd party, the 3^rd performs the computation and then return the results to the caller. The clients have accounts at the 3^rd party, so when they call they can authenticate themselves, I have session handling with the existing technology. The communication is secured by SSL.

The problem: the computation can last hours or days.

 

How can I transform such an architecture to a messaging one? How can a 3^rd party send back (or return, or answer) messages to the “caller” clients in a way that it is authenticated. So the client can be sure that it’s the 3^rd party he is communicating with, and the content is secure and protected.

 

Sorry for the general question, but I don’t see a good solution for the big picture. Maybe someone has it.

 

Thanks,

Csaba

 

[Jim Siegienski]

I see I was originally slated to talk REST/security. I'd like to get on the list to cover that topic as the interest level seems high. What's the next opening that makes sense?

[ChrisM]

Jim - We're covered for April but open after that. If you have a
preference for one of the following dates let us know before this
Thursday's organizational meeting and maybe we can confirm it.

May 1st
June 5th
July 3rd

-cmm

[Greg Turnquist]

I was hoping I could possibly give a presentation on gradle either in June or July.

--
Greg Turnquist (Greg.L.T...@gmail.com)

[Jeremy Ary]

Outstanding news, thanks to both of you!

- Jeremy

[Toth, Csaba]

Great news Jim and Greg!

Bad Jeremy! Don't spam us :)

Csaba
________________________________________
From: nashvi...@googlegroups.com [nashvi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Turnquist [greg.l.t...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:44 AM

To: nashvi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Presentation topics...

I was hoping I could possibly give a presentation on gradle either in June or July.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:38 AM, ChrisM <chris.m...@gmail.com<mailto:chris.m...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Jim - We're covered for April but open after that. If you have a
preference for one of the following dates let us know before this
Thursday's organizational meeting and maybe we can confirm it.

May 1st
June 5th
July 3rd

-cmm

On Mar 12, 10:10 pm, Jim Siegienski <jim.siegien...@gmail.com<mailto:jim.siegien...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I see I was originally slated to talk REST/security. I'd like to get on the list to cover that topic as the interest level seems high. What's the next opening that makes sense?

--
Greg Turnquist (Greg.L.T...@gmail.com<mailto:Greg.L.T...@gmail.com>)