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Hi there,
Two questions, not unrelated:
1) Does MO include the concept of a mo:Score (mo:MusicalExpression)
stipulating that an mo:Instrument should be used?
2) And if there were a relationship between mo:Instruments and
mo:MusicalWorks, what would it be?
Best,
Richard
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where "mo-i" is my imaginary music ontology and mo-
i:includes_instrument asserts that a mo:MusicalWork is intended to be
performed using an mo:Instrument.
Anyone have any thoughts on whether this is a good idea? Should
perhaps the mo:Score instead assert the intention that an
mo:Instrument is to be used?
I think the larger problem I'm grappling with here is mo:MusicalWorks
without performances; any of the information that would normally be
associated with a performance (such as instruments used) is not
available if no performance is being described.
Best,
Richard
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Richard Lewis <rjlewis.me...@gmail.com> wrote: > [apologies if this message appears twice; I tried sending from my > regular > mail client earlier and I'm not sure if gmail likes me doing that.]
> Hi there,
> Two questions, not unrelated:
> 1) Does MO include the concept of a mo:Score (mo:MusicalExpression) > stipulating that an mo:Instrument should be used?
As I remember it, I think it was meant to be handled by a mo:Transcription event, which could have as many instruments as needed as factors. However, I agree it is a bit clunky. A property linking a mo:Score to instruments would do though.
> 2) And if there were a relationship between mo:Instruments and > mo:MusicalWorks, what would it be?
I guess you want to talk about mo:Score, not mo:MusicalWork - there could be many different instrumentation of a single work.
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> where "mo-i" is my imaginary music ontology and mo- > i:includes_instrument asserts that a mo:MusicalWork is intended to be > performed using an mo:Instrument.
I would say that all this looks good so far ;)
> Anyone have any thoughts on whether this is a good idea? Should > perhaps the mo:Score instead assert the intention that an > mo:Instrument is to be used?
I think you can already relate an instrument to a mo:MusicalWork instance. You can imagine this level of abstraction as a kind of idea, i.e., you have, e.g., a song idea in mind and you already know which instruments you would like to utilise. When describing a score (via a mo:Score) instance you usually would be a bit more concrete, i.e., assign a line of notes or a melody to a specific instrument etc.
> I think the larger problem I'm grappling with here is mo:MusicalWorks > without performances; any of the information that would normally be > associated with a performance (such as instruments used) is not > available if no performance is being described.
At a particular performance the utilised instruments probably can vary from the instruments that are associated to the utilised score.
I guess, we need to add a new property for your intended use case, e.g., mo:utilised_instrument.
MO has a term 'instrumentation' that always looks to me as if it should be used for the 'abstract' notion of what instruments are supposed to be used (as opposed to ones used in performance) - the comments on the website are a bit unclear as to how it should be used in practice.
-----Original Message----- From: music-ontology-specification-group@googlegroups.com [mailto:music-ontology-specification-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Ferris Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2011 10:01 PM To: music-ontology-specification-group@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Instruments, Scores, MusicalWorks
Hi Richard,
On 8/23/2011 1:46 PM, Richard Lewis wrote: > On Aug 16, 5:21 pm, Richard Lewis<rjlewis.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Two questions, not unrelated:
>> 1) Does MO include the concept of a mo:Score (mo:MusicalExpression) >> stipulating that an mo:Instrument should be used?
>> 2) And if there were a relationship between mo:Instruments and >> mo:MusicalWorks, what would it be?
> where "mo-i" is my imaginary music ontology and mo- > i:includes_instrument asserts that a mo:MusicalWork is intended to be > performed using an mo:Instrument.
I would say that all this looks good so far ;)
> Anyone have any thoughts on whether this is a good idea? Should > perhaps the mo:Score instead assert the intention that an > mo:Instrument is to be used?
I think you can already relate an instrument to a mo:MusicalWork instance. You can imagine this level of abstraction as a kind of idea, i.e., you have, e.g., a song idea in mind and you already know which instruments you would like to utilise. When describing a score (via a mo:Score) instance you usually would be a bit more concrete, i.e., assign a line of notes or a melody to a specific instrument etc.
> I think the larger problem I'm grappling with here is mo:MusicalWorks > without performances; any of the information that would normally be > associated with a performance (such as instruments used) is not > available if no performance is being described.
At a particular performance the utilised instruments probably can vary from the instruments that are associated to the utilised score.
I guess, we need to add a new property for your intended use case, e.g., mo:utilised_instrument.
Cheers,
Bo
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> MO has a term 'instrumentation' that always looks to me as if it should be used for the 'abstract' notion of what instruments are supposed to be used (as opposed to ones used in performance) - the comments on the website are a bit unclear as to how it should be used in practice.
mo:Instrumentation is an event. It is a sub class of mo:Arrangement. This event can be utilised to describe the relation between a mo:MusicalWork instance (a factor of this event) and a mo:Score instance (a product of this event), i.e., it is intended for specific instrumentation descriptions (play technique of a specific instrument etc.) and hence a bit more complex than simply relating the instrument to a musical work or score (from my POV).
