Is blue frog for real?
Todd and Margo Chester
Is Blue Frog for real? And, is it legal?
http://www.bluesecurity.com/Blue%2DFrog/default.asp?flash=1
--Todd
JC
It is real.. it is legal.. how effective it might be is subject to debate
jg
> Hi,
> Is Blue Frog for real?
yes
And, is it legal?
Open to debate, but technically probably.
Its been out for awhile and I haven't seen the world pounding at their
gates, nor does one see much of a difference in spam traffic.
They /are/ commercial, and their numbers are far from compelling - from
their own site:
* 248461 protected e-mail addresses <-----------out of a universe of??
* 311763 spam messages processed <-----------processed means what?
(last 24 hours)
* Complaints sent to 968 spam sites <-----------pretty low
numbers for a week
(last 7 days)
* 86 complaints sent <-----------the math
here is off - 968 site complaints, then 86 complaints sent???
(last 7 days)
The idea is a sweet sell, though...
>
> http://www.bluesecurity.com/Blue%2DFrog/default.asp?flash=1
>
> --Todd
Snorkelson MacBurp
My spam has been reduced by 20% since I started using it. Blue Frog only
seems to impact "legitimate" spammers, if there is such a thing. I think
it will only ever impact spam originating from countries that have
enforcible anti-spam laws and the threat of repercussions.
--
.snork
In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But. this is predicated upon the man's becoming
in very fact an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no
divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but
something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one
flag, the American flag ... and this excludes the red flag, which
symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it
excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have
room for but one language here, and that is the English language. And we
have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the
American people.
Theodore Roosevelt
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Todd and Margo Chester said the following on 23/03/06 18:09:
>
>> Hi,
>> Is Blue Frog for real? And, is it legal?
>>
>> http://www.bluesecurity.com/Blue%2DFrog/default.asp?flash=1
>>
>> --Todd
>
> My spam has been reduced by 20% since I started using it. Blue Frog only
> seems to impact "legitimate" spammers, if there is such a thing. I think
> it will only ever impact spam originating from countries that have
> enforcible anti-spam laws and the threat of repercussions.
>
Removed it here as it seemed like it never did anything. And besides
that, their tech support NEVER replied to ANY questions.
--
Jay Garcia Netscape/Mozilla Champion
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
Snorkelson MacBurp
never really answered the question. I'm only sticking with it out of
curiosity.
It's funny though. If my pay were increased by 20%, or my taxes reduced
by 20%, I'd be jumping for joy. Having *only* a 20% reduction in my spam
has left me feeling ripped off (and I didn't pay anything!). Odd how
that works...
--
.snork
All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of
the few.
Stendhal (Marie-Henri Beyle)
The Real Bev
A matter of expectations. Bothering to download and install something ought
to give you better than 20% satisfaction even if it IS free. (Linux is ALL
free, but that doesn't mean I want everything.) I used to get hundreds of
spams/day in my myrealbox account. TB's junk mail controls picked up almost
all of it, but I still had to read through the headers to make sure that it
actually was all spam. Then I added a set of delete-before-I-even-see-it
filters (mostly on obvious stuff like penis and paypal) on that account
which has cut it down from a max of 700 to maybe 100/day. Not bad, and I
didn't have to install anything. Just have to add an entry when some new
spam fad pops up.
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
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Never try to extort more than it would cost to have you killed.
Rinaldi J. Montessi
Have your house mate set up spamassassin with the razor, pyzor and dcc
perl modules for you. As someone used to say, "Mahvelous".
Funny, 99.9% of my junk/spam comes through MRB also. No where near the
level you get, though.
Rinaldi
--
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clarke
The Real Bev
I posted with the myrealbox address for years, as well as using it to sign
up for whatever free stuff, maillists etc. seemed desirable. I've clearly
been sold thousands of times and myrealbox makes no effort to remove spam.
I have two gmail accounts, and neither picks up much spam at all -- unless I
go to the website and look at the junkmail folder!
I hope google stays nice. I didn't hate MS at all when all there was was
MSDOS, even if Gary Kildall (I'm ashamed that I couldn't remember his name
right away and had to look it up) got screwed.
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."
-- Scott Adams
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> A matter of expectations. Bothering to download and install something ought
> to give you better than 20% satisfaction even if it IS free. (Linux is ALL
> free, but that doesn't mean I want everything.) I used to get hundreds of
> spams/day in my myrealbox account. TB's junk mail controls picked up almost
> all of it, but I still had to read through the headers to make sure that it
> actually was all spam. Then I added a set of delete-before-I-even-see-it
> filters (mostly on obvious stuff like penis and paypal) on that account
> which has cut it down from a max of 700 to maybe 100/day. Not bad, and I
> didn't have to install anything. Just have to add an entry when some new
> spam fad pops up.
Your ISP needs to take a course in Fighting Spam 101 At The Server
Level, how to use DNSBL's, etc., how to setup a special mailbox for
users to deposit received spam so that the cron job I run nightly
auto-learns SpamAssassin ... lots to do. ;-)
My server rejects well over 8,000 spams daily and my users enjoy a
pass-through rate of less than 5 spams daily and I'm working on that as
well. :-)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
MyRealBox was an incarnation of them Novell Utah folks as a test-base. I
think that there is no more testing and hence lots of spam. :-(
If you want a disposable mail address for filling in forms and getting
hooked up with a userID on certain forums that require return
authorization then use what I do ... www.trashmail.net
Snorkelson MacBurp
TBird's JMC rarely misses either way for me. As I said, Blue Frog is
more of a curiosity for me. Also, I like the fact that maybe, just
maybe, I'm actually doing something in the battle against spam.
--
.snork
Murphy's Law:
((U+C+I) x (10-S))/20 x A x 1/(1-sin(F/10))
U(rgency), C(omplexity), I(mportance), S(kill) and F(requency) = 1-9
A(ggravation) = 0.7
jg
> Your ISP needs to take a course in Fighting Spam 101 At The Server
> Level, how to use DNSBL's, etc., how to setup a special mailbox for
> users to deposit received spam so that the cron job I run nightly
> auto-learns SpamAssassin ... lots to do. ;-)
>
> My server rejects well over 8,000 spams daily and my users enjoy a
> pass-through rate of less than 5 spams daily and I'm working on that as
> well. :-)
>
conversation seems to be drifting further away from the original post...
Jay, why do/did you use it (blue frog)?
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> conversation seems to be drifting further away from the original post...
>
> Jay, why do/did you use it (blue frog)?
Curiosity after someone else mentioned it on my ufaq forum. No longer
curious.
qarrow
Interestingly, Send-Safe, a notorious developer of spamming software,
has updated its program to comply with Blue Security's service last
week.
The full story is on
http://spamkings.oreilly.com/archives/2006/03/spamware_vendor_1.html .
And to understand why this is a big deal check this article about Send
Safe :
http://news.com.com/MCI+accused+of+harboring+spammers/2100-1024_3-5566565.html
Regards,
Quick Arrow.
The Real Bev
It allows you to set filters at the website, but it was miserably crude,
with no possibility of rearranging them. I've deleted them all, but
SOMETHING (not in local filters either) forwards certain myrealbox spam to
my real account inbox. I'm not really complaining -- they promised little
and delivered every single bit of it!
> If you want a disposable mail address for filling in forms and getting
> hooked up with a userID on certain forums that require return
> authorization then use what I do ... www.trashmail.net
And there's the mailinator too. http://www.mailinator.com/
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm pretty sure omnipotent entities don't need
middlemen to get their message to the people.
The Real Bev
> My server rejects well over 8,000 spams daily and my users enjoy a
> pass-through rate of less than 5 spams daily and I'm working on that as
> well. :-)
You really are a hero! OTOH, perhaps working toward capital punishment for
spamming might be a more productive use of your time...
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>
>> On 24.03.2006 20:29, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> I posted with the myrealbox address for years, as well as using it to sign
>>> up for whatever free stuff, maillists etc. seemed desirable. I've clearly
>>> been sold thousands of times and myrealbox makes no effort to remove spam.
>>> I have two gmail accounts, and neither picks up much spam at all -- unless I
>>> go to the website and look at the junkmail folder!
>>>
>>> I hope google stays nice. I didn't hate MS at all when all there was was
>>> MSDOS, even if Gary Kildall (I'm ashamed that I couldn't remember his name
>>> right away and had to look it up) got screwed.
>>
>> MyRealBox was an incarnation of them Novell Utah folks as a test-base. I
>> think that there is no more testing and hence lots of spam. :-(
>
> It allows you to set filters at the website, but it was miserably crude,
> with no possibility of rearranging them. I've deleted them all, but
> SOMETHING (not in local filters either) forwards certain myrealbox spam to
> my real account inbox. I'm not really complaining -- they promised little
> and delivered every single bit of it!
The engineers that dev'd it are long gone.
>> If you want a disposable mail address for filling in forms and getting
>> hooked up with a userID on certain forums that require return
>> authorization then use what I do ... www.trashmail.net
>
> And there's the mailinator too. http://www.mailinator.com/
>
I prefer trashmail simply because you can choose how many forwards you
want and the number of days set for expiration of the dummy address.
Also like it because anyone sending to the dummy address, such as a
return authorization code, etc. comes directly to your own POP/IMAP
mailbox on your local system. With "Mailanator" you have to check your
inbox on their website. YMMV
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>
>> My server rejects well over 8,000 spams daily and my users enjoy a
>> pass-through rate of less than 5 spams daily and I'm working on that as
>> well. :-)
>
> You really are a hero! OTOH, perhaps working toward capital punishment for
> spamming might be a more productive use of your time...
>
Hero? Nah, just a "responsible" server owner/admin with happy campers
for clients.
I got one better than capital punishment (that's too final). Wish this
worked for email spam but works nicely for snailmail spam. Save ALL of
the inserts you get from the CC card companies and when you get a
snailmail spam with a pre-paid postage return envelope, cram all the
insert ads into that envelope and don't include a return address.
Hopefully it will weigh close to a TON and the sender will have to pay
for postage ... :-)
The Real Bev
> On 25.03.2006 14:35, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>>> My server rejects well over 8,000 spams daily and my users enjoy a
>>> pass-through rate of less than 5 spams daily and I'm working on that as
>>> well. :-)
>>
>> You really are a hero! OTOH, perhaps working toward capital punishment for
>> spamming might be a more productive use of your time...
>
> Hero? Nah, just a "responsible" server owner/admin with happy campers
> for clients.
>
> I got one better than capital punishment (that's too final).
Huh? That's like saying "too thin" or "too rich". I know it's possible to
be too thin, although I doubt if I'll ever achieve that state, but I can see
no downside whatsoever to limitless wealth.
> Wish this
> worked for email spam but works nicely for snailmail spam. Save ALL of
> the inserts you get from the CC card companies and when you get a
> snailmail spam with a pre-paid postage return envelope, cram all the
> insert ads into that envelope and don't include a return address.
> Hopefully it will weigh close to a TON and the sender will have to pay
> for postage ... :-)
Excellent in theory, but I doubt if they even notice the expense. Some have
reported good results from including the words TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST on an
identifiable form, though.
Sorry, I'd go for the death penalty.
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
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There's something wrong with my keyboard.
Whenever I type x I get x.
The Real Bev
> On 25.03.2006 14:32, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> If you want a disposable mail address for filling in forms and getting
>>> hooked up with a userID on certain forums that require return
>>> authorization then use what I do ... www.trashmail.net
>>
>> And there's the mailinator too. http://www.mailinator.com/
>
> I prefer trashmail simply because you can choose how many forwards you
> want and the number of days set for expiration of the dummy address.
> Also like it because anyone sending to the dummy address, such as a
> return authorization code, etc. comes directly to your own POP/IMAP
> mailbox on your local system. With "Mailanator" you have to check your
> inbox on their website. YMMV
Looks good. I installed the extension, but I don't see what/where it
is/works. Is just going to the website good enough?
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>
>> On 25.03.2006 14:32, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> If you want a disposable mail address for filling in forms and getting
>>>> hooked up with a userID on certain forums that require return
>>>> authorization then use what I do ... www.trashmail.net
>>>
>>> And there's the mailinator too. http://www.mailinator.com/
>>
>> I prefer trashmail simply because you can choose how many forwards you
>> want and the number of days set for expiration of the dummy address.
>> Also like it because anyone sending to the dummy address, such as a
>> return authorization code, etc. comes directly to your own POP/IMAP
>> mailbox on your local system. With "Mailanator" you have to check your
>> inbox on their website. YMMV
>
> Looks good. I installed the extension, but I don't see what/where it
> is/works. Is just going to the website good enough?
>
When you get to a form that has a field for an email address,
right-click, choose "Paste Disposable Address". A menu pops up with an
already chosen "trash mail address", your real email address, number of
forwards (dropdown) and life-span (dropdown). Make your choices, wait
for bit and the trashmail address will appear in the field. Voila !!
The Real Bev
Ooooh, nifty! Now I just have to go sign up for some free spam...
Figuring that you wouldn't recommend something that didn't work, I emailed a
friend about it (one of the ones who sends me html email). She didn't
understand the concept :-( She's also the one who had the netcom account
that got even MORE spam than my myrealbox account. People would sign up for
a netcom account, download the user list and go into the spam business.
Eventually netcom put a stop to that, but it didn't help all the people
who'd already been harvested.
Can't we PLEEEEEEEASE lobby for the death penalty for spamming?
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
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You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
If it moves and shouldn't, use duct tape.
Don Nickell
taxes done by the middle of March and the day we were going to the PO a
change came in. Whoops, there goes another acre of trees.
We held on to that change for a week, and the day... . Whoops, another
acre of trees.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Can't we PLEEEEEEEASE lobby for the death penalty for spamming?
Nah ... put 'em in jail with only bread, water and SPAM for every meal. :-)
Chris Ilias
> On 25.03.2006 23:53, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> Can't we PLEEEEEEEASE lobby for the death penalty for spamming?
>
> Nah ... put 'em in jail with only bread, water and SPAM for every meal. :-)
Please remember to move OT discussion to mozilla.general. Thanks.
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mozilla.test.multimedia moderator
Mozilla links <http://ilias.ca>
(Please do not email me tech support questions)
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Excellent in theory, but I doubt if they even notice the expense. Some
>> have reported good results from including the words TAKE ME OFF YOUR
>> LIST on an identifiable form, though.
>>
>> Sorry, I'd go for the death penalty.
>>
> Mee too, Bev. Especially the IRS. (running and ducking) We had our
> taxes done by the middle of March and the day we were going to the PO a
> change came in. Whoops, there goes another acre of trees.
>
> We held on to that change for a week, and the day... . Whoops, another
> acre of trees.
When I did my taxes with a hand calculator I always waited until the last
minute -- never before April 1. Now that I do them on the computer I still
wait until the last minute. In the late 80s I used a friend's Howardsoft.
Then TurboTax, with one foray into Taxact, when TT required authorization.
TT is better, but still annoying.
The company itself is annoying -- you'd think that old customers would be
rewarded for their loyalty, but NOOOO -- if you buy direct you pay absolute
top dollar. Costco has the best price -- I think it was $22 this year.
I HATE the way TT insists on printing, which is my exc^H^H^Hreason for not
doing it earlier. If I did it early I'd have to print it just in case, and
then I know I'd find something new and I'd have to run another copy just in
case, and then... So you see, procrastination saves forests and is probably
good for us in other ways too.
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
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