Default where the quote goes?
Djanvk
beginning of the message and it starts my reply at the bottom, is there
a way to reverse that so my reply is at the top automatically?
THanks
Djanvk
C A Upsdell
The reply for newsgroups should be at the bottom. You will annoy people
if you put it at the top.
Brian J. Graham
Glad you did ... *but* the preference in these tech support groups is to
bottom post to maintain continuity. You can set up your newsgroup
account that way and still have top posting set up in your other
accounts such as e-mail.
--
Brian
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V S Rawat
> Djanvk wrote:
> > Nevermind figured this one out myself
> >
> > Djanvk wrote:
> > > When I respond to a message the quote of the previous
> > > message is at the beginning of the message and it starts
> > > my reply at the bottom, is there a way to reverse that so
> > > my reply is at the top automatically?
> > >
> > > THanks
>
> Glad you did ... but the preference in these tech support
> groups is to bottom post to maintain continuity. You can set
> up your newsgroup account that way and still have top posting
> set up in your other accounts such as e-mail.
Hi Brian,
The general statement that ALL tech support groups have bottom
posting, might not be correct.
I have seen that microsoft ngs mostly use top posting.
Just mentioning it. Not that I support that. I find that very
irritating.
--
Rawat
Marko Jotic
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V S Rawat
> V S Rawat wrote:
> > Brian J. Graham wrote:
> >
> > > Djanvk wrote:
> > > > Nevermind figured this one out myself
> > > >
> > > > Djanvk wrote:
> > > > > When I respond to a message the quote of the previous
> > > > > message is at the beginning of the message and it
> > > > > starts my reply at the bottom, is there a way to
> > > > > reverse that so my reply is at the top automatically?
> > > > >
> > > > > THanks
> > > Glad you did ... but the preference in these tech support
> > > groups is to bottom post to maintain continuity. You can
> > > set up your newsgroup account that way and still have top
> > > posting set up in your other accounts such as e-mail.
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > The general statement that ALL tech support groups have
> > bottom posting, might not be correct.
> >
> > I have seen that microsoft ngs mostly use top posting.
> >
> > Just mentioning it. Not that I support that. I find that very
> > irritating.
> >
> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are
> annoying
But, if you are deleting ng posts after some days (7 days for
me), then you will find bottom posting a boon, because previous
messages of the thread would have disappeared.
Anyway, I appreciate the gesture that you seem to like top
posting, but you have taken care to bottom-post as per the
practise of this ng. Keep it up.
--
Rawat
gwtc
Thats microsoft for you. They always do thing different there.
Another anoying thing that they do, is the experts, when replying,
have their message above, then their sig file and sig file delimiter
inbetween their message and the replied to message. Now, when you go
to reply, everything below is wiped out.
--
so you think you've got computer problems!? HA! Its probably nothing
compared to this kids problem:
http://www.break.com/index/patiencechild.html
Chris Ilias
> Brian J. Graham wrote:
>
>> Glad you did ... but the preference in these tech support
>> groups is to bottom post to maintain continuity.
>
> The general statement that ALL tech support groups have bottom
> posting, might not be correct.
Actually, Brian did not say "all". He said "these". :-)
--
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mozilla.test.multimedia moderator
Mozilla links <http://ilias.ca>
(Please do not email me tech support questions)
CBFalconer
> V S Rawat wrote:
>> Brian J. Graham wrote:
>>> Djanvk wrote:
>>>> Djanvk wrote:
>
>>>>> When I respond to a message the quote of the previous
>>>>> message is at the beginning of the message and it starts
>>>>> my reply at the bottom, is there a way to reverse that so
>>>>> my reply is at the top automatically?
>>>>>
>>>> Nevermind figured this one out myself
>>>
>>> groups is to bottom post to maintain continuity. You can set
>>> up your newsgroup account that way and still have top posting
>>> set up in your other accounts such as e-mail.
>>
>> posting, might not be correct.
>>
>> I have seen that microsoft ngs mostly use top posting.
>>
>> Just mentioning it. Not that I support that. I find that very
>> irritating.
>>
> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are annoying
On the contrary, it is posters who fail to snip that are annoying.
This seems to include 100% of top-posters, who also create the
annoyance of incomprehensible sequencing.
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the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on
"show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
"Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson
More details at: <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
Also see <http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/>
MushMorton
support groups; that is, the groups on this server.
--
Jim
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large
ones."
-Francois de La Rochefoucauld
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are annoying
Viewing a bottom post requires only ONE scroll, to the bottom. Viewing a
top post requires a scroll to find the question that was replied to at
the top and then another scroll back to the top to continue .. twice as
annoying !!!
--
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> The general statement that ALL tech support groups have bottom
> posting, might not be correct.
He didn't say ALL, he said in "these" support groups.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> this one maybe, most newsgroups top post at will
Your supporting figures, please!
Chris Ilias
> On 08.03.2006 12:41, Marko Jotic wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> this one maybe, most newsgroups top post at will
>
> Your supporting figures, please!
No, please don't. It won't make any difference in here, other than fuel
a long thread about top-posting vs bottom posting. Such pointless
discussions should be moved to mozilla.general.
MikeR
Q: What's a real annoyance in newsgroups?
MikeR <vbg>
Marko Jotic
> Marko Jotic wrote:
>> V S Rawat wrote:
>>> Brian J. Graham wrote:
>>>> Djanvk wrote:
>>>>> Djanvk wrote:
>>>>>> When I respond to a message the quote of the previous
>>>>>> message is at the beginning of the message and it starts
>>>>>> my reply at the bottom, is there a way to reverse that so
>>>>>> my reply is at the top automatically?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nevermind figured this one out myself
>>>> Glad you did ... but the preference in these tech support
>>>> groups is to bottom post to maintain continuity. You can set
>>>> up your newsgroup account that way and still have top posting
>>>> set up in your other accounts such as e-mail.
>>> The general statement that ALL tech support groups have bottom
>>> posting, might not be correct.
>>>
>>> I have seen that microsoft ngs mostly use top posting.
>>>
>>> Just mentioning it. Not that I support that. I find that very
>>> irritating.
>>>
>> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are annoying
>
> On the contrary, it is posters who fail to snip that are annoying.
> This seems to include 100% of top-posters, who also create the
> annoyance of incomprehensible sequencing.
>
nice sophistry, if you bottom post and snip you get in shit for not
leaving it all there for the next guy that comes along, most of this
bottom posted newsgroup is unsnipped bloat
anyway I just like to punch holes in the arguments, especially from
bottom posters who won't learn that there are other methods. For example
in political newsgroups you end up posting inline if you want to be clear
Marko Jotic
> Marko Jotic wrote:
>> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are
>> annoying
>
> But, if you are deleting ng posts after some days (7 days for
> me), then you will find bottom posting a boon, because previous
> messages of the thread would have disappeared.
>
> Anyway, I appreciate the gesture that you seem to like top
> posting, but you have taken care to bottom-post as per the
> practise of this ng. Keep it up.
>
should be inline:
Does that mean you are downloading all the posts, can't you call them up
again or do you loose the header too?
not so much a gesture as self defense: when I forget I end up with a
slew of insulting responses, each one from a bottom poster that has no
way of realizing that I've already been told off because he cannot
imagine checking a thread
WTF are threaded views for?
Marko Jotic
> On 08.03.2006 12:40, Marko Jotic wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are annoying
>
>
> Viewing a bottom post requires only ONE scroll, to the bottom. Viewing a
> top post requires a scroll to find the question that was replied to at
> the top and then another scroll back to the top to continue .. twice as
> annoying !!!
>
you don't need to reread everything every time
Marko Jotic
> On 08.03.2006 12:41, Marko Jotic wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> this one maybe, most newsgroups top post at will
>
> Your supporting figures, please!
>
all three methods depending on the actual discussion, some users not
even quoting the relpied to text
Ed Mullen
> nice sophistry, if you bottom post and snip you get in shit for not
> leaving it all there for the next guy that comes along, most of this
> bottom posted newsgroup is unsnipped bloat
>
> anyway I just like to punch holes in the arguments, especially from
> bottom posters who won't learn that there are other methods. For example
> in political newsgroups you end up posting inline if you want to be clear
>
http://www.mozilla.org/support/
http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html
A quick read of the etiquette page's paragraph "Top-posting vs
bottom-posting" defines the preference for these groups as
"interspersing with trimming." And, as it further says, "For a simple
reply, this is equivalent bottom-posting."
Arguing about it, logically or otherwise, is really kind of pointless in
light of the established norm.
--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net
Don Nickell
That way we could tie up all the Internet and Server lines and never have
to worry about getting e-mail spam or viruses. :-\
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--
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Columbus, NJ
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V S Rawat
> V S Rawat wrote:
>> Marko Jotic wrote:
>>> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are
>>> annoying
>> But, if you are deleting ng posts after some days (7 days for
>> me), then you will find bottom posting a boon, because previous
>> messages of the thread would have disappeared.
>>
>> Anyway, I appreciate the gesture that you seem to like top
>> posting, but you have taken care to bottom-post as per the
>> practise of this ng. Keep it up.
>>
> this is a case where bottom posting is wrong, the following responses
> should be inline:
> Does that mean you are downloading all the posts,
yes.
I do offline reading for news/mails. I mean I remain online (I have
unlimited DSL) but I download the headers and message bodies, and read
them. It is becoming complicated. I thing some new term should be coined
whether I am reading online or off-line.
As far as "all the posts" is concerned, when I have downloaded previous
day's posts the previous day, it downloads only new posts the next time.
So, I don't need to download all the posts daily.
> can't you call them up again or do you loose the header too?
DUH. Are you a bird who has never used offline reading? Nice to meet
you. I was not aware of the species.
yeah. I have set it to delete all header/ bodies/ attachments after 7 days.
I can again download the previous (gone) messages, but I don't feel the
need to do so. If a user snips entire previous message, and posts his
own reply, then I am at a loss, having a key without having the lock.
> not so much a gesture as self defense: when I forget I end up with a
> slew of insulting responses, each one from a bottom poster that has no
> way of realizing that I've already been told off because he cannot
> imagine checking a thread
Even if I know how to check a thread, and even if I have previous method
to refer to, why do you want me to take all the trouble of checking the
previous method, just because you don't care to bottompost?
>
> WTF are threaded views for?
>
Are swearwords allowed in this ng? In abbreviated form. :)
Threaded views are for keeping track of individual points of a message.
A branch of a thread concentrates on one aspect of that post.
If you think threaded views are to facilitate top-posters, I am ready to
give up threaded views, but I am not accepting toppostings.
Let us play a game.
------------------------------------------
Top posting.
(scroll down to know the question)
(scroll down to know the question)
(scroll down to know the question)
(scroll down to know the question)
> What is the most irritating way of replying to a message?
--
Rawat
V S Rawat
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 08.03.2006 12:41, Marko Jotic wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> this one maybe, most newsgroups top post at will
>> Your supporting figures, please!
>>
> in all MS groups and corel groups; the political groups I follow tend to
> all three methods depending on the actual discussion,
> some users not even quoting the relpied to text
Indeed.
If top-poster are bad, then full-snippers are the worst.
But, to give them benefit of doubt, I have observed such behaviour
mostly in entertainment ngs/ mailing lists where people are so much
excited about knowing the answer of a question that they don't quote
anything and just write their answer.
e.g. You receive a message:
------------start
George Micheal
------------end
(yeah. that was the entire message. between the dash-ed lines)
Then you dig out previous message that was some question about some song
whose answer was george micheal.
--
Rawat
Marko Jotic
the question was rhetorical, I suspected something was wrong. I never
used offline for newsgroups since I was on ADSL when I started using them
>
> yeah. I have set it to delete all header/ bodies/ attachments after 7 days.
>
> I can again download the previous (gone) messages, but I don't feel the
> need to do so. If a user snips entire previous message, and posts his
> own reply, then I am at a loss, having a key without having the lock.
>
>> not so much a gesture as self defense: when I forget I end up with a
>> slew of insulting responses, each one from a bottom poster that has no
>> way of realizing that I've already been told off because he cannot
>> imagine checking a thread
>
> Even if I know how to check a thread, and even if I have previous method
> to refer to, why do you want me to take all the trouble of checking the
> previous method, just because you don't care to bottompost?
read the quote you are answering, if I make a mistake I don't mind being
reminded to bottom post, I mind being dissed a dozen times, and this is
only by bottom posters
>
>>
>> WTF are threaded views for?
>>
>
> Are swearwords allowed in this ng? In abbreviated form. :)
seen them often
>
> Threaded views are for keeping track of individual points of a message.
> A branch of a thread concentrates on one aspect of that post.
no, its a direct reflection of replies, two replies to one post are not
necessarily different aspects
>
> If you think threaded views are to facilitate top-posters, I am ready to
> give up threaded views, but I am not accepting toppostings.
no, I think threaded views are more efficient. I rarely post questions
because I first search through the subjects, often I find multiple
redundant answers, often by the same person seeing and responding over
and over to the same question elsewhere on the same thread, worse, I
have seen people answering themselves (?)
>
> Let us play a game.
dumb game, play it in threaded view and you rarely have to scroll
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Top posting.
>
>
>
>
>
> (scroll down to know the question)
>
>
>
>
>
> (scroll down to know the question)
>
>
>
>
>
> (scroll down to know the question)
>
>
>
>
>
> (scroll down to know the question)
>
>
>
>
>
> > What is the most irritating way of replying to a message?
answered above: when its already been answered ten times
Marko Jotic
quote this is an inline group. At least its an "established norm", here,
elsewhere its not.
Marko Jotic
actually I would like to paint all spammers red, then tar and feather
them, especially the ones trolling these groups that carry real names
Marko Jotic
but then I use threaded views so its always one up
V S Rawat
Then you are at a loss.
Whatever high is the speed of a DSL connection, I have observed that
there is always an initial slight delay when the reader contacts the
server and establishes the connection. After that is done, the download
of message is fast.
I have tried online reading also (newsposts) and I found that initial
delay irritating. Thus, I have resumed to offline downloading which
makes changing messages quite fast.
If you so wish, you might try using downloading for offline reading. Do
tell us if that makes reading faster than online reading.
>> yeah. I have set it to delete all header/ bodies/ attachments after 7 days.
>>
>> I can again download the previous (gone) messages, but I don't feel the
>> need to do so. If a user snips entire previous message, and posts his
>> own reply, then I am at a loss, having a key without having the lock.
>>
>>> not so much a gesture as self defense: when I forget I end up with a
>>> slew of insulting responses, each one from a bottom poster that has no
>>> way of realizing that I've already been told off because he cannot
>>> imagine checking a thread
>> Even if I know how to check a thread, and even if I have previous method
>> to refer to, why do you want me to take all the trouble of checking the
>> previous method, just because you don't care to bottompost?
>
> read the quote you are answering, if I make a mistake I don't mind being
> reminded to bottom post, I mind being dissed a dozen times, and this is
> only by bottom posters
>>> WTF are threaded views for?
>>>
>> Are swearwords allowed in this ng? In abbreviated form. :)
>
> seen them often
moderator! moderator! your comments needed.
>
>> Threaded views are for keeping track of individual points of a message.
>> A branch of a thread concentrates on one aspect of that post.
>
> no, its a direct reflection of replies, two replies to one post are not
> necessarily different aspects
once a member replies, it is obvious that the points raised by him are
explored further down the thread.
Thus, two or three replies of a message will create different branches
which will process different points.
>
>> If you think threaded views are to facilitate top-posters, I am ready to
>> give up threaded views, but I am not accepting toppostings.
>
> no, I think threaded views are more efficient. I rarely post questions
> because I first search through the subjects, often I find multiple
> redundant answers, often by the same person seeing and responding over
> and over to the same question elsewhere on the same thread, worse, I
> have seen people answering themselves (?)
--
Rawat
V S Rawat
not when you have deleted previous messages. In online reading also, I
don't think you will be keeping all millions of messages that had ever
been posted in the list.
I have seen such replies after two months.
--
Rawat
CBFalconer
> CBFalconer wrote:
>> Marko Jotic wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are annoying
>>
>> On the contrary, it is posters who fail to snip that are annoying.
>> This seems to include 100% of top-posters, who also create the
>> annoyance of incomprehensible sequencing.
>
> nice sophistry, if you bottom post and snip you get in shit for not
> leaving it all there for the next guy that comes along, most of this
> bottom posted newsgroup is unsnipped bloat
You snip the part not germane to your answer. Simple.
Marko Jotic
> Marko Jotic wrote:
>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>> Marko Jotic wrote:
>>>
> ... snip ...
>>>> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are annoying
>>> On the contrary, it is posters who fail to snip that are annoying.
>>> This seems to include 100% of top-posters, who also create the
>>> annoyance of incomprehensible sequencing.
>> nice sophistry, if you bottom post and snip you get in shit for not
>> leaving it all there for the next guy that comes along, most of this
>> bottom posted newsgroup is unsnipped bloat
>
> You snip the part not germane to your answer. Simple.
>
The Real Bev
> CBFalconer wrote:
>> Marko Jotic wrote:
>>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>>> Marko Jotic wrote:
>> ... snip ...
>>>>> If you follow threaded views its bottom posters that are annoying
>>>> On the contrary, it is posters who fail to snip that are annoying.
>>>> This seems to include 100% of top-posters, who also create the
>>>> annoyance of incomprehensible sequencing.
>>> nice sophistry, if you bottom post and snip you get in shit for not
>>> leaving it all there for the next guy that comes along, most of this
>>> bottom posted newsgroup is unsnipped bloat
>>
>> You snip the part not germane to your answer. Simple.
>>
> read what I said, I obviously snipped what was not germane and got in shit
If I snip text I try to snip the attribution that goes with that text.
Anything else is kind of confusing.
BTW, are those your knife designs? Very strange and interesting.
--
Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
Marko Jotic
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> BTW, are those your knife designs? Very strange and interesting.
>>
> my cousin, all hand made, very nice
I especially liked the one labeled 'A table'. It reminded me of the
surgical instruments in 'Dead Ringers', one of the creepiest movies I've
ever seen.
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Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 10.2)
============================================
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to suck you out of your car.
Chris Ilias
> my cousin, all hand made, very nice
Please move OT discussion to mozilla.general, thanks.