Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this could go.....
Annailis wrote: > Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown > Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has > disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume > since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this > could go.....
> Ann
how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
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> Annailis wrote: >> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown >> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has >> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume >> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where >> this could go.....
>> Ann
> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
> Annailis wrote: >> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown >> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has >> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume >> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where >> this could go.....
>> Ann
> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown >> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has >> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume >> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this >> could go.....
>> Ann
> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
> A web browser without a companion mail client really does "just suck."
Why? To me, a "browser without a companion mail client" from the same developer is like a dog without a pogo stick. In other words, it can be a perfectly good browser (and FF is, indeed, my favorite) without an unrelated tool. Some software analogies would be a word processor without a Pac-Man simulation and a paint program without a spreadsheet module. I've said for years that the browser houses (to include Opera) should focus on their browsers.
> A web browser without a companion mail client really does "just suck." I > love Thunderbird and Firefox.
Just be patient - these so-called articles on what other people are saying are IMO a rather poor representation of what is going on. It'll all get sorted out in due time for the better I think.
Wayne Mery wrote: > On 7/26/2007 6:42 PM, Tonya Marshall wrote: >> Chris Barnes wrote: >>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: >>>> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
>> A web browser without a companion mail client really does "just suck." >> I love Thunderbird and Firefox.
> Just be patient - these so-called articles on what other people are > saying are IMO a rather poor representation of what is going on. It'll > all get sorted out in due time for the better I think.
> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown > Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has > disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume > since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this > could go.....
"Disown" is not an appropriate term for it. And from the other newsgroup posts here and elsewhere, "drop" is not appropriate, nor is "shed". Those terms imply that doesn't care about Thunderbird, or This is comparable in nature to Mozilla leaving AOL, and creating the Mozilla Foundation. Both parties talked about the issues, and agreed breaking off would be best for the product. AOL gave Mozilla licences, and hardware, and funded Mozilla 2 million dollars for two years.
>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown >> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has >> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume >> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this >> could go.....
> "Disown" is not an appropriate term for it. And from the other newsgroup > posts here and elsewhere, "drop" is not appropriate, nor is "shed". > Those terms imply that doesn't care about Thunderbird, or This is > comparable in nature to Mozilla leaving AOL, and creating the Mozilla > Foundation. Both parties talked about the issues, and agreed breaking > off would be best for the product. AOL gave Mozilla licences, and > hardware, and funded Mozilla 2 million dollars for two years.
Yes Chris, I agree that Tb has been the poor step child for far too long. My deepest concern is for whether there will be a clear vision for Tb becoming the tool of the common man that is so intensely needed as an alternative to the monolithic monopoly of it's chief competitor.
I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly, Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and believe that all I have contributed, since week 5 of this project, has not been given in vain. The greatest asset of Tb is the Gecko backend it shares with Fx. Tb can render just about anything tossed at it short of what ever Fx uses plugins for.
-- Ron K. Lighting Tech Working in the shadow of a dark stage
Ron K. wrote: > I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert > Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime > the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly, > Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and
Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:38:35 -0400, in message <QpWdnahJRZnRmzTbnZ2dnUVZ_oKhn...@mozilla.org>,
Annailis wrote: > Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown > Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has > disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume > since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this > could go.....
On 7/27/2007 3:37 AM, Thunderbird leader Blinky the Shark by teletype announced:
> Ron K. wrote:
>> I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert >> Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime >> the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly, >> Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and
> Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several > million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
Wow, I finally found some one my own age with a compatible interest in music. How are you on PP&M selections? -- Ron K. Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:38:35 -0400, in message <QpWdnahJRZnRmzTbnZ2dnUVZ_oKhn...@mozilla.org>, > Annailis wrote:
>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown >> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has >> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume >> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this >> could go.....
> October 11, 2006 -- QUALCOMM [...] and the Mozilla Foundation [...] announced > that future versions of Eudora® will be based upon the same technology platform > as the open source Mozilla Thunderbird™ email program. > http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2006/061011_project_collaborat...
Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
-- Ron K. Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting
>> I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert >> Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime >> the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly, >> Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and
> Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several > million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
>>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown >>> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has >>> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume >>> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where >>> this could go.....
>>> Ann
>> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
check out in that feature... "There is lots of overhead to create a new foundation, find good board members, recreate the administrative load. "
ergo - invent the wheel - we need it! We also need "new board members" as much as they need the income they'll make from re-inventing the wheel! wondering =-O =-O .... *WHO* will become a new board member??? :-$ :-$ :-$
Chris Ilias wrote: > On 7/26/07 4:38 PM, _Annailis_ spoke thusly: >> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown >> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has >> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume >> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where >> this could go.....
> "Disown" is not an appropriate term for it. And from the other newsgroup > posts here and elsewhere, "drop" is not appropriate, nor is "shed". > Those terms imply that doesn't care about Thunderbird, or This is > comparable in nature to Mozilla leaving AOL, and creating the Mozilla > Foundation. Both parties talked about the issues, and agreed breaking > off would be best for the product. AOL gave Mozilla licences, and > hardware, and funded Mozilla 2 million dollars for two years.
I guess what it boils down to is what does setting something "free" mean. I'm sure the lion's share of the funding for Mozilla from AOL and google as gone into the development of Firefox, not Thunderbird and the other mozilla projects. That's understandable but advertising is less noticeably intrusive in a browser than in an e-mail client. If Thunderbird has to become self-financing to gets its fair share of focus, what realistically are the options?
>> Chris Barnes wrote: >>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: >>>> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks! >>> On Computer World's website too.
>> A web browser without a companion mail client really does "just suck."
> Why? To me, a "browser without a companion mail client" from the same > developer is like a dog without a pogo stick. In other words, it can be > a perfectly good browser (and FF is, indeed, my favorite) without an > unrelated tool. Some software analogies would be a word processor > without a Pac-Man simulation and a paint program without a spreadsheet > module. I've said for years that the browser houses (to include Opera) > should focus on their browsers.
You're right but at the moment if I had to give up either Thunderbird or Firefox, it would be the browser that would lose out. Switching e-mail/newsreader clients is too much of a pain in the butt.
>>> A web browser without a companion mail client really does "just suck."
>> Why? To me, a "browser without a companion mail client" from the same >> developer is like a dog without a pogo stick. In other words, it can be >> a perfectly good browser (and FF is, indeed, my favorite) without an >> unrelated tool. Some software analogies would be a word processor >> without a Pac-Man simulation and a paint program without a spreadsheet >> module. I've said for years that the browser houses (to include Opera) >> should focus on their browsers.
> You're right but at the moment if I had to give up either Thunderbird or > Firefox, it would be the browser that would lose out. Switching > e-mail/newsreader clients is too much of a pain in the butt.
> Ann
yepp, Ann, especially as there are several very good stand-alone browsers out there... including Netscape 9!
In message <C5SdndW98afqlTfbnZ2dnUVZ_oaon...@mozilla.org> Annailis
<Annai...@FISHnetscape.net> wrote: >You're right but at the moment if I had to give up either Thunderbird or >Firefox, it would be the browser that would lose out. Switching >e-mail/newsreader clients is too much of a pain in the butt.
I'd agree, although for different reasons. For me, switching mail clients is fairly trivial, everything is on the server (IMAP and SyncML)
However, there simply aren't any other IMAP clients that I like. Firefox, while being a great browser, hasn't shown itself to be 100% safe or reliable (okay, nobody ever promised or believed it would be), and has gotten slower and slower over the versions (which was Phoenix's initial calling, at least for me)
So while I certainly don't have or foresee a FF vs TB argument at any point, I'd choose TB over FB if it came down to it, there are other browser options out there.
-- If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"?
Wow - tons of comments there in just 1 day. Here is my .02 I just added:
Ok, I'm going to come at this from a somewhat different perspective. Unlike some of you who seem to have "google hate" (something I find amazing), where I see the biggest need for the market is in a client which runs on the user's local machine, but keeps it's data **AND PROFILE SETTINGS** on a free, public server.
Note that I'm talking about more than just email here. A client for Email (accessing Gmail via Imap). A client for a Calendar app (nothing exists, but would be easy to integrate into Google/Calendar. Another app for a full blown (outlook-like) Contacts list (probably ldap based) - nothing exists for this *anywhere*.
Personally, I like having separate, stand-alone clients that happen to "know about" each other - but if someone wants an integrated app (ala SeaMonkey) that is fine too.
Note that all of these client/server apps very well could have a revenue stream attached to them (as they are accessing google - or some other online provider). What is astounding to me is that noone else has thought of this..
Ron K. wrote: > On 7/27/2007 3:37 AM, Thunderbird leader Blinky the Shark by teletype > announced: >> Ron K. wrote:
>>> I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert Pete" >>> has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime the pump and >>> leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly, Desert Pete" It was a >>> song of faith. I want to have faith and
>> Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several >> million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
> Wow, I finally found some one my own age with a compatible interest in > music. How are you on PP&M selections?
While I never played professionally, back in those days I'd slip into some metal finger picks, strap on a plastic thumb pick and be a folkie with my acoustic Gibson. :)
Re PP&M, I loved them. I both had their stuff and played it. Saw them at the Hollywood Bowl back in the '80s.
-- Blinky T. "out on runway number nine, big seven-oh-seven set to go" Shark
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