Mozilla Preparing to Disown Thunderbird
Annailis
Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this
could go.....
Ann
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> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>
> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this
> could go.....
>
> Ann
how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
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> Annailis wrote:
>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
>> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
>> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>>
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
>> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where
>> this could go.....
>>
>> Ann
>
> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
>
Annailis
>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
>> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
>> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>>
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
>> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where
>> this could go.....
>>
>> Ann
>
> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
>
Ron K.
by teletype announced:
> Annailis wrote:
>
>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
>> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
>> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>>
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
>> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this
>> could go.....
>>
>> Ann
>>
>
> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
>
>
http://www.mozillazine.org/ has this article on the topic wth links to
supporting comments.
Thursday July 26th, 2007
Mozilla Thunderbird to Find New Home as Mozilla Foundation Focuses
on Mozilla Firefox
On her weblog, Mozilla Corporation CEO Mitchell Baker
<http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/> has announced that Mozilla
Thunderbird is to move to a "new, separate organizational setting"
<http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2007/07/email_futures.html>
as the Mozilla Foundation continues to focus ever more closely on
Mozilla Firefox.
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Chris Barnes
> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
On Computer World's website too.
http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9028101&intsrc=hm_list
This just sucks.
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> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
>
> On Computer World's website too.
>
> http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9028101&intsrc=hm_list
>
>
> This just sucks.
>
>
>
A web browser without a companion mail client really does "just suck."
I love Thunderbird and Firefox.
Bed
I guess the rss duplication issue will never be fixed now :(
Blinky the Shark
Why? To me, a "browser without a companion mail client" from the same
developer is like a dog without a pogo stick. In other words, it can be
a perfectly good browser (and FF is, indeed, my favorite) without an
unrelated tool. Some software analogies would be a word processor
without a Pac-Man simulation and a paint program without a spreadsheet
module. I've said for years that the browser houses (to include Opera)
should focus on their browsers.
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Wayne Mery
Just be patient - these so-called articles on what other people are
saying are IMO a rather poor representation of what is going on. It'll
all get sorted out in due time for the better I think.
JoeS
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2007/07/email_futures.html
http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=22235
Joe
Chris Ilias
> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>
> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this
> could go.....
"Disown" is not an appropriate term for it. And from the other newsgroup
posts here and elsewhere, "drop" is not appropriate, nor is "shed".
Those terms imply that doesn't care about Thunderbird, or This is
comparable in nature to Mozilla leaving AOL, and creating the Mozilla
Foundation. Both parties talked about the issues, and agreed breaking
off would be best for the product. AOL gave Mozilla licences, and
hardware, and funded Mozilla 2 million dollars for two years.
Setting Thunderbird free, is a more appropriate term. The fact is that
focus on Firefox has prevented Thunderbird from getting its fair shake
of focus. Here are two examples that come to my mind:
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.planning/browse_frm/thread/9fb16c85fdc18c52>
<http://ilias.ca/blog/2006/06/why-is-the-joga-companion-really-on-the-firefox-homepage/>
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Ron K.
Yes Chris, I agree that Tb has been the poor step child for far too
long. My deepest concern is for whether there will be a clear vision
for Tb becoming the tool of the common man that is so intensely needed
as an alternative to the monolithic monopoly of it's chief competitor.
I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert Pete" has
left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime the pump and leave
a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly, Desert Pete" It was a song of
faith. I want to have faith and believe that all I have contributed,
since week 5 of this project, has not been given in vain. The greatest
asset of Tb is the Gecko backend it shares with Fx. Tb can render just
about anything tossed at it short of what ever Fx uses plugins for.
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> I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert
> Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime
> the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly,
> Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and
Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several
million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
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Ralph Fox
Annailis wrote:
> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>
> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this
> could go.....
>
> Ann
Which reminds me of these
October 12, 2006 -- Eudora to be Gecko-based and open source
http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/eudora-to-be-gecko-based-and-open-source/
October 11, 2006 -- QUALCOMM [...] and the Mozilla Foundation [...] announced
that future versions of Eudora® will be based upon the same technology platform
as the open source Mozilla Thunderbird™ email program.
http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2006/061011_project_collaboration_mozilla.html
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Ron K.
announced:
> Ron K. wrote:
>
>
>> I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert
>> Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime
>> the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly,
>> Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and
>>
>
> Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several
> million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
>
>
Wow, I finally found some one my own age with a compatible interest in
music. How are you on PP&M selections?
Ron K.
Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
Rinaldi J. Montessi
> Ron K. wrote:
>
>> I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert
>> Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime
>> the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly,
>> Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and
>
> Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several
> million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
Ditto.
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generate the following:? :
foundation, find good board members, recreate the administrative load. "
ergo - invent the wheel - we need it! We also need "new board members"
as much as they need the income they'll make from re-inventing the wheel!
wondering =-O =-O .... *WHO* will become a new board member??? :-$ :-$ :-$
reg
Annailis
I guess what it boils down to is what does setting something "free"
mean. I'm sure the lion's share of the funding for Mozilla from AOL and
google as gone into the development of Firefox, not Thunderbird and the
other mozilla projects. That's understandable but advertising is less
noticeably intrusive in a browser than in an e-mail client. If
Thunderbird has to become self-financing to gets its fair share of
focus, what realistically are the options?
Annailis
> Tonya Marshall wrote:
>
>> Chris Barnes wrote:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>> how about providing a link to the original article? Thanks!
>>> On Computer World's website too.
>>>
>>> http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9028101&intsrc=hm_list
>>>
>>>
>>> This just sucks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> A web browser without a companion mail client really does "just suck."
>
> Why? To me, a "browser without a companion mail client" from the same
> developer is like a dog without a pogo stick. In other words, it can be
> a perfectly good browser (and FF is, indeed, my favorite) without an
> unrelated tool. Some software analogies would be a word processor
> without a Pac-Man simulation and a paint program without a spreadsheet
> module. I've said for years that the browser houses (to include Opera)
> should focus on their browsers.
>
You're right but at the moment if I had to give up either Thunderbird or
Firefox, it would be the browser that would lose out. Switching
e-mail/newsreader clients is too much of a pain in the butt.
squaredancer
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browsers out there... including Netscape 9!
reg
DevilsPGD
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>You're right but at the moment if I had to give up either Thunderbird or
>Firefox, it would be the browser that would lose out. Switching
>e-mail/newsreader clients is too much of a pain in the butt.
I'd agree, although for different reasons. For me, switching mail
clients is fairly trivial, everything is on the server (IMAP and SyncML)
However, there simply aren't any other IMAP clients that I like.
Firefox, while being a great browser, hasn't shown itself to be 100%
safe or reliable (okay, nobody ever promised or believed it would be),
and has gotten slower and slower over the versions (which was Phoenix's
initial calling, at least for me)
So while I certainly don't have or foresee a FF vs TB argument at any
point, I'd choose TB over FB if it came down to it, there are other
browser options out there.
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Chris Barnes
> Yeah, I guess that depends on who is doing the sorting, and what the motivation is.
> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2007/07/email_futures.html
> http://scott-macgregor.org/blog/
> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=22235
Wow - tons of comments there in just 1 day. Here is my .02 I just added:
Ok, I'm going to come at this from a somewhat different perspective.
Unlike some of you who seem to have "google hate" (something I find
amazing), where I see the biggest need for the market is in a client
which runs on the user's local machine, but keeps it's data **AND
PROFILE SETTINGS** on a free, public server.
Note that I'm talking about more than just email here. A client for
Email (accessing Gmail via Imap). A client for a Calendar app (nothing
exists, but would be easy to integrate into Google/Calendar. Another
app for a full blown (outlook-like) Contacts list (probably ldap based)
- nothing exists for this *anywhere*.
Personally, I like having separate, stand-alone clients that happen to
"know about" each other - but if someone wants an integrated app (ala
SeaMonkey) that is fine too.
Note that all of these client/server apps very well could have a revenue
stream attached to them (as they are accessing google - or some other
online provider). What is astounding to me is that noone else has
thought of this..
Blinky the Shark
While I never played professionally, back in those days I'd slip into some
metal finger picks, strap on a plastic thumb pick and be a folkie with my
acoustic Gibson. :)
Re PP&M, I loved them. I both had their stuff and played it. Saw them at
the Hollywood Bowl back in the '80s.
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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>
> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where this
> could go.....
>
> Ann
Yep I read the article which was posted in the SeaMonkey group.Basically
they decided it they just haven't figured out whether to use a Cut Nail
or a galvanized 6 penny nail, to put in the coffin.
This will not only jeopardize Thunderbird itself, But also The SeaMonkey
project as well.
Doing this Mozilla has acquiesced to Microsoft That they can do no
wrong. And Mr Gates can Grin with that evil grin for years.
I have a feeling I know what's happening. You have a Group of very
Talented Developers that were bored and craved something else to do
other than their day job. When they go bored, and found this taking up
as much time as their "day" job; They've decided to pick up their sticks
and move on. Leaving users in a Lurch.
Someone suggested That WebMail is the wave of the future. Well I've used
Web Mail through my ISP. And if That is a sample of the way Web Mail
Works, I'd just as soon use MS Entourage, or even Apple mail. And I
would just as soon kiss a Rattle Snake on the lips as to do that.
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buck on the poor smucks! They can afford it! Whoopee.
I've never tried Gmail, never ever want to try Gmail. When it gets to
the point where everything is on some one else's Computer (Fun for
security, just fun) Then My ISP will close up because there is no need.
And at that point I'll just chuck my computers in the closet.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
dinky running adds that take up a square on the menu bar.
Jeopardizing Thunderbird not only jeopardizes Thunderbird but also
SeaMonkey as well.
Chris Barnes
> I've never tried Gmail, never ever want to try Gmail. When it gets to
> the point where everything is on some one else's Computer (Fun for
> security, just fun) Then My ISP will close up because there is no need.
> And at that point I'll just chuck my computers in the closet.
It all depends on the needs of each individual.
In my case, there are 5 people in my house, each with their own lives
(me, my wife, & 3 teenage daughters). We each need to have our own
email and calendars and be able to share them (the calendars) with each
other. And we need access to them from multiple locations (each of us
at least 2 different locations)
Using Gmail and Google/Calendar is *by far* the best way we've found to
accomplish this. Now on my normal desktop PC, I use TB to access my
gmail account. But if I'm not there, having access to it via gmail's
website is still very, VERY nice.
And in the circles of people I run with, my situation is very, VERY
common.
Chris Ilias
> Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
Offer money for what?
Wayne Mery
I suppose you are suggesting Qualcom didn't fund mozilla like Google
did. Now, I have no idea how Google fits into mozilla's long term plans
(or if there even is a "planned fit"), but there is no similarity here.
The major point of the plan is Qualcomm did not see a future for Eudora
as a profitable product. So rather than simply sell or abandon the
product and its user base they have signficantly funded an effort to
take it open source, a move that will likely assure Eudora a future, or
at least a migration path. In the process, Thunderbird gets some
improvements as well. Win-win.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> On 7/27/07 8:14 AM, _Ron K._ spoke thusly:
>> Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
>
> Offer money for what?
Sale of Eudora Pro which is (or was) a "for Pay" program, to Mozilla.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> On 7/27/2007 8:14 AM, Ron K. wrote:
>> On 7/27/2007 7:55 AM, Thunderbird leader Ralph Fox by teletype announced:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:38:35 -0400, in message
>>> <QpWdnahJRZnRmzTb...@mozilla.org>,
>>> Annailis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
>>>> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
>>>> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>>>>
>>>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I
>>>> presume since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking
>>>> where this could go.....
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which reminds me of these
>>>
>>> October 12, 2006 -- Eudora to be Gecko-based and open source
>>>
>>> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/eudora-to-be-gecko-based-and-open-source/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> October 11, 2006 -- QUALCOMM [...] and the Mozilla Foundation
>>> [...] announced that future versions of Eudora® will be based
>>> upon the same technology platform as the open source Mozilla
>>> Thunderbird™ email program.
>>>
>>> http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2006/061011_project_collaboration_mozilla.html
>>
>>
>> Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
>
> I suppose you are suggesting Qualcom didn't fund mozilla like Google
> The major point of the plan is Qualcomm did not see a future for Eudora
> as a profitable product. So rather than simply sell or abandon the
> at least a migration path. In the process, Thunderbird gets some
> improvements as well. Win-win.
>
Just for curiosity, what Products did Qualcom make other than Eudora.
I've never ever know it to make anything else.
Chris Ilias
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 7/27/07 8:14 AM, _Ron K._ spoke thusly:
>>> Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
>>
>> Offer money for what?
>
> Sale of Eudora Pro which is (or was) a "for Pay" program, to Mozilla.
No there was no sale of Eudora Pro to Mozilla; and what you are
suggesting is that Mozilla would be offering money, not Qualcomm. Ron
suggested Qualcomm offered money.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> On 7/28/07 10:24 AM, _Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T_ spoke thusly:
>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>> On 7/27/07 8:14 AM, _Ron K._ spoke thusly:
>>>> Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
>>>
>>> Offer money for what?
>>
>> Sale of Eudora Pro which is (or was) a "for Pay" program, to Mozilla.
>
> No there was no sale of Eudora Pro to Mozilla; and what you are
> suggesting is that Mozilla would be offering money, not Qualcomm. Ron
> suggested Qualcomm offered money.
Well suspect it was Moz that offered money for Eudora Pro and it just
wasn't enough. NOW TB is in limbo.
David E. Ross
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Chris Ilias
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 7/28/07 10:24 AM, _Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T_ spoke thusly:
>>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/07 8:14 AM, _Ron K._ spoke thusly:
>>>>> Apparently Qualcom did not offer enough money.
>>>>
>>>> Offer money for what?
>>>
>>> Sale of Eudora Pro which is (or was) a "for Pay" program, to Mozilla.
>>
>> No there was no sale of Eudora Pro to Mozilla; and what you are
>> suggesting is that Mozilla would be offering money, not Qualcomm. Ron
>> suggested Qualcomm offered money.
>
> Well suspect it was Moz that offered money for Eudora Pro and it just
> wasn't enough. NOW TB is in limbo.
You suspect wrong. :-)
Please stop jumping to conclusions.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> In the process, Thunderbird gets some
> improvements as well. Win-win.
such as what?
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> Just for curiosity, what Products did Qualcom make other than Eudora. I've
> never ever know it to make anything else.
"Designer and supplier of CDMA chipsets, system software, network base
stations, handsets, modems, kid trackers, camera phones, MP3 players, game
players..." - http://www.qualcomm.com/
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JoeS
>> Google News refers to PC World article - "Mozilla is about to disown
>> Thunderbird, its stand-alone e-mail client, the company's CEO has
>> disclosed. In a posting to her blog Wednesday, CEO Mitchell ..."
>>
>> The gist is they want to concentrate on developing Firefox (I presume
>> since it brings in the money). I'm thinking I'm not liking where
>> this could go.....
>>
>> Ann
>
> Yep I read the article which was posted in the SeaMonkey group.Basically
> they decided it they just haven't figured out whether to use a Cut Nail
> or a galvanized 6 penny nail, to put in the coffin.
>
> This will not only jeopardize Thunderbird itself, But also The SeaMonkey
> project as well.
>
> Doing this Mozilla has acquiesced to Microsoft That they can do no
> wrong. And Mr Gates can Grin with that evil grin for years.
>
> I have a feeling I know what's happening. You have a Group of very
> Talented Developers that were bored and craved something else to do
> other than their day job. When they go bored, and found this taking up
> as much time as their "day" job; They've decided to pick up their sticks
> and move on. Leaving users in a Lurch.
>
Well Phillip, I have come to exactly the opposite conclusion.
I think some basic functionality changes were requested to be done to Tbird, and Scott objected.
Don't know specifically what those changes were, one possibility might be the elimination of nntp support.
I say that because usenet is scorned by a few Moz folks, and nntp support has been pulled from firefox.
I don't know what Mozilla is looking for in it's new mail initiative, but I would guess that it would be
web based.
Read this: http://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews_Talk:Future_of_Mail
A quote from the discussion section:
Mitchell Baker notes:
"I've had many conversations with Scott. He is quite clear his focus is Thunderbird, the product we know today,
and caring for those users. He's committed and passionate about that, and that is extremely valuable.
If we want to see a different kind of mail initiative, it will require someone with a passion for that initiative."
Rather than abandon his users, I think Scott decided that a change was needed.
JoeS
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
If NTTP is abandon and make TBird what amounts to a Glorified Apple mail.
How is one to read news especially on a Mac. YA- or MW-News Watcher? I
don't think so. That's all there is on a Mac.
And I hate mailing list worth a passion as far as Newsgroups are
concerned. I understand Mozilla uses mailing list as an alternative to
NTTP. If That's all I had to look forward to, Forget about it!
For one thing on NTTP at least how it is set up in SeaMonkey/TB you can
choose how many post a session you want to read at any one sitting. 100,
200, 500, 1000, etc. No so with Mailing list you dumped what ever they
have on the server for that day. Who wants an email box with 1000 post a
day for you to wade through just on a Mail list.
On a NTTP server when you choose to read post you download headers only
until you actually read a given.
I suppose this anti NTTP movement is people are getting Lazy (number
one) and possibly reduce cost (number 2) although it actually doesn't do
anything for the cost. You still have to have Hard drives to hold the
messages until retrieved. So what has one saved.
I not into USENET. I use to be until Sprints news feed Server gave up
the ghost and they refused to fix it. I'm fortunate that My ISP has
continued to keep and maintain their NTTP server or else I would be on
groups here at Mozilla nor and the Office Mac groups on MSnews. There
would be no way for me to get them.
Wayne Mery
> Wayne Mery wrote:
>> In the process, Thunderbird gets some improvements as well. Win-win.
>
> such as what?
I haven't followed it since the early days of the annoucement. I know
eudora migration/import capability has improved, but I know longer
remember what else changed then, or since, as a direct or indirect result.
Wayne Mery
> On 7/28/2007 12:55 PM, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Wayne Mery wrote:
>>> In the process, Thunderbird gets some improvements as well. Win-win.
>>
>> such as what?
>
> I haven't followed it since the early days of the annoucement. I know
> eudora migration/import capability has improved, but I know longer
> remember what else changed then, or since, as a direct or indirect result.
>
> a possible starting point is
too quick on the draw. better is
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Unclassified&classification=Client+Software&classification=Components&classification=Server+Software&classification=Client+Support&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&resolution=FIXED&resolution=---&op_sys=All&op_sys=Windows+95&op_sys=Windows+98&op_sys=Windows+ME&op_sys=Windows+NT&op_sys=Windows+2000&op_sys=Windows+XP&op_sys=Windows+Server+2003&op_sys=Windows+Vista&op_sys=Windows+CE&op_sys=Mac+System+7&op_sys=Mac+System+7.5&op_sys=Mac+System+7.6.1&op_sys=Mac+System+8.0&op_sys=Mac+System+8.5&op_sys=Mac+System+8.6&op_sys=Mac+System+9.x&op_sys=Mac+OS+X&op_sys=Linux&op_sys=BSDI&op_sys=FreeBSD&op_sys=NetBSD&op_sys=OpenBSD&op_sys=AIX&op_sys=BeOS&op_sys=HP-UX&op_sys=IRIX&op_sys=Neutrino&op_sys=OpenVMS&op_sys=OS%2F2&op_sys=OSF%2F
1&op_sys=SunOS&op_sys=Solaris&op_sys=OpenSolaris&op_sys=Other&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=qualcom&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=400d&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
Ron Hunter
Giganews for NNTP access. They carry over 100,000 newsgroups, with fast
servers, good retention, and excellent completeness for binary groups.
Of course TB is only really useful for the non-binary groups.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as
> Giganews for NNTP access.
but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
--
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only. And only click on the Reply button, not the Reply All
or Reply to Author. Thanks!
DevilsPGD
the Purple Hippo <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ron Hunter wrote:
>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as
>> Giganews for NNTP access.
>
>but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
If you just want to read, http://www.readfreenews.net/ gives you the
info you need. They do not accept new posting accounts any longer.
Blinky the Shark
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as
>> Giganews for NNTP access.
>
> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
Relax.
There are others.
Jeanette
I just can't get used to these web based forums and email. To me they
are much slower to read, especially with large volumes. I prefer to
download my gmail.
For me thunderbird is the perfect client. I can use it both on Windows
and Linux, it has the ability to download from gmail and from IMAP and POP.
The news reader is simple for non-binary news groups and I can get the
information I need quickly.
I for one will be sorry to see it go.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as
>>> Giganews for NNTP access.
>> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
>
> Relax.
>
> http://news.motzarella.org
>
> http://news.datemas.de
>
> There are others.
>
thanks. I already do have those, and haven't had any
problems whatsoever.
Chris Barnes
> Because your data would no longer be private if kept on a public server.
> I can think of many reasons why someone would not want his
> correspondence or profile open to just anybody. Also, if the public
> server developed problems, people would suddenly be without their
> profile settings; not a good scene at all.
If *your* private data needs more security than is offered by Gmail,
hotmail, yahoomail, ad.infinitum then YOU shouldn't use it.
But that is a far, FAR cry from saying that the service, product, idea
isn't useful to other people. I am more than satisfied with keeping my
private calendar information on Google; their security features are more
than sufficient for MY needs.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
It's not going to "go", will just be picked up by another group,
company, group of individuals, etc.
--
Jay Garcia Netscape/Mozilla Champion
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
Ron Hunter
>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as Giganews for
>> NNTP access.
>
> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
>
google search for 'free news servers'.
But a 1GB/month Giganews subscription is only $7.95.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
> EE wrote:
>> Because your data would no longer be private if kept on a public
>> server. I can think of many reasons why someone would not want his
>> correspondence or profile open to just anybody. Also, if the public
>> server developed problems, people would suddenly be without their
>> profile settings; not a good scene at all.
>
>
> If *your* private data needs more security than is offered by Gmail,
> hotmail, yahoomail, ad.infinitum then YOU shouldn't use it.
>
>
> But that is a far, FAR cry from saying that the service, product, idea
> isn't useful to other people. I am more than satisfied with keeping my
> private calendar information on Google; their security features are more
> than sufficient for MY needs.
>
>
>
>
calendar information on someone's server. However, it does have its
advantages, such as being able to access it from just about anywhere.
But webmail and webforums both give me a headache, really quickly. They
are SO confining!
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
configuration.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
DevilsPGD
<rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
You can do far better then that...
http://www.octanews.com/pricing.php gives you 8GB for $7.95. The
difference is that this is a block account, not a monthly subscription,
so that $7.95 will cover you until you've downloaded 8GB. Even if you
were using the full 1GB/month at Giganews, this account will go for 8
months before it runs out.
Alternatively, on the cheap monthly fee side,
http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php (reselling Supernews.com) gives
you 1000 days of text retention for $2.95/month (10GB download cap)
--
Americans couldn't be any more self-absorbed if they were made from equal
parts water and papertowel.
-- Dennis Miller
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 30.07.2007 11:30, Jeanette wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> Jeanette wrote:
>>>
>>> I just can't get used to these web based forums and email. To me they
>>> are much slower to read, especially with large volumes. I prefer to
>>> download my gmail.
>>>
>>> For me thunderbird is the perfect client. I can use it both on Windows
>>> and Linux, it has the ability to download from gmail and from IMAP and POP.
>>>
>>> The news reader is simple for non-binary news groups and I can get the
>>> information I need quickly.
>>>
>>> I for one will be sorry to see it go.
>>
>> It's not going to "go", will just be picked up by another group,
>> company, group of individuals, etc.
>>
> And even if completely discontinued, will still survive in its current
> configuration.
>
And so will Mercury, already been determined.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> In message <vtKdnUKYtJegojPb...@mozilla.org> Ron Hunter
> <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as Giganews for
>>>> NNTP access.
>>> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
>>>
>> You can find a list of free servers (some even allow posting) by doing a
>> google search for 'free news servers'.
>> But a 1GB/month Giganews subscription is only $7.95.
>
> You can do far better then that...
>
> http://www.octanews.com/pricing.php gives you 8GB for $7.95. The
> difference is that this is a block account, not a monthly subscription,
> so that $7.95 will cover you until you've downloaded 8GB. Even if you
> were using the full 1GB/month at Giganews, this account will go for 8
> months before it runs out.
>
> Alternatively, on the cheap monthly fee side,
> http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php (reselling Supernews.com) gives
> you 1000 days of text retention for $2.95/month (10GB download cap)
>
too much, too much, far too much!!!!
Fred W.
skipping a few meals.....
Ken Whiton
*-* In Article pan.2007.07.30...@thurston.blinkynet.net,
*-* Blinky the Shark wrote
*-* About Re: Mozilla Preparing to Disown Thunderbird
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as
>>> Giganews for NNTP access.
>> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
> Relax.
"Registration ... >> Temporarily suspended <<"
There was a similar thread here a month or two ago, and the situation
was the same then.
> There are others.
Ken Whiton
FIDO: 1:132/152
InterNet: kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> http://news.datemas.de
>
> "Registration ... >> Temporarily suspended <<"
actually, its been like that for several months now.
Ron Hunter
> In message <vtKdnUKYtJegojPb...@mozilla.org> Ron Hunter
> <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as Giganews for
>>>> NNTP access.
>>> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
>>>
>> You can find a list of free servers (some even allow posting) by doing a
>> google search for 'free news servers'.
>> But a 1GB/month Giganews subscription is only $7.95.
>
> You can do far better then that...
>
> http://www.octanews.com/pricing.php gives you 8GB for $7.95. The
> difference is that this is a block account, not a monthly subscription,
> so that $7.95 will cover you until you've downloaded 8GB. Even if you
> were using the full 1GB/month at Giganews, this account will go for 8
> months before it runs out.
>
> Alternatively, on the cheap monthly fee side,
> http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php (reselling Supernews.com) gives
> you 1000 days of text retention for $2.95/month (10GB download cap)
>
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
> In message <vtKdnUKYtJegojPb...@mozilla.org> Ron Hunter
> <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as Giganews for
>>>> NNTP access.
>>> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
>>>
>> You can find a list of free servers (some even allow posting) by doing a
>> google search for 'free news servers'.
>> But a 1GB/month Giganews subscription is only $7.95.
>
> You can do far better then that...
>
> http://www.octanews.com/pricing.php gives you 8GB for $7.95. The
> difference is that this is a block account, not a monthly subscription,
> so that $7.95 will cover you until you've downloaded 8GB. Even if you
> were using the full 1GB/month at Giganews, this account will go for 8
> months before it runs out.
>
> Alternatively, on the cheap monthly fee side,
> http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php (reselling Supernews.com) gives
> you 1000 days of text retention for $2.95/month (10GB download cap)
>
tiers.
# unlimited downloading via speedcapped services ranging from 3
connections at 128Kbps each to 4 connections at 1Mbps each
# unlimited downloading speed via bytecapped services and non-expiring
blocks ranging from 8GB to 100GB
Be sure to check out the status link for current network status.
Photos have been posted via http://www.octanews.com/photos.php.
Retention is currently:
# Binary retention: Frontends are showing 9 days, backends are at > 9.1 days
# Text retention: Frontends are showing 95 days, backends are at > 430 days
Not exactly as you represent it.
Also, I couldn't get a group list. How does one determine if they carry
the groups he is interested in?
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Richard John
Ron Hunter
I guess you are a candidate for one of the free servers. They might not
have all the groups you want, and many won't let you post, but you can,
at least, keep up with what is going on.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Blinky the Shark
> *-* On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:30 -0700, *-* In Article
> pan.2007.07.30...@thurston.blinkynet.net, *-* Blinky the Shark
> wrote
> *-* About Re: Mozilla Preparing to Disown Thunderbird
>
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as
>>>> Giganews for NNTP access.
>
>>> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
>
>> Relax.
>
>> http://news.motzarella.org
>
>> http://news.datemas.de
>
> "Registration ... >> Temporarily suspended <<"
>
> There was a similar thread here a month or two ago, and the situation was
> the same then.
Right. I don't know about the discussion in here, but when I signed up
recently that note was in place, too. I emailed them, as instructed on
the next line, and my new account was speedily approved.
Summary: If you want it, try it; nothing to lose, and you'll probably be
successful.
Blinky the Shark
> Jeanette wrote:
>
> I just can't get used to these web based forums and email. To me they are
> much slower to read, especially with large volumes. I prefer to download
> my gmail.
Yep. I hate clunky web-based gateways to stuff that doesn't need to be
webified, and they're all clunky compared to The Real Thing.
> For me thunderbird is the perfect client. I can use it both on Windows
> and Linux, it has the ability to download from gmail and from IMAP and
> POP.
Cross-platformness is swell.
Blinky the Shark
> Ken Whiton wrote:
>
>>> http://news.datemas.de
>>
>> "Registration ... >> Temporarily suspended <<"
>
> actually, its been like that for several months now.
Yep, and emailing them, as requested on the next line has been working
anyway. I signed up while the "temporarily suspended" note was there.
Tom Liotta
> EE wrote:
>> Because your data would no longer be private if kept on a public
>> server. I can think of many reasons why someone would not want his
>> correspondence or profile open to just anybody. Also, if the public
>> server developed problems, people would suddenly be without their
>> profile settings; not a good scene at all.
>
>
> If *your* private data needs more security than is offered by Gmail,
> hotmail, yahoomail, ad.infinitum then YOU shouldn't use it.
Not to mention that unless you run your own server, e-mail resides
(temporarily at the very least) on whatever the (I)SP server is
anyway. If the server or account is hacked/hijacked to the point
where items can be read while on the server, then the problem exists
even if settings cause items to be downloaded and deleted from the
server. Granted, the problem is reduced in that _historical_ items
are excluded; i.e., only items that haven't been downloaded/deleted
yet are vulnerable (unless archived by the server, etc.).
--
Tom Liotta
Tom Liotta
> You're right but at the moment if I had to give up either Thunderbird or
> Firefox, it would be the browser that would lose out. Switching
> e-mail/newsreader clients is too much of a pain in the butt.
At the moment, I agree. This is especially true for a few others who
are "supported" by me -- e.g., my wife. My wife would be perfectly
comfortable switching to IE from FF; but it's not so easy switching
mail clients. She might not notice much if I reconfigured her PC to
start a different browser.
--
Tom Liotta
Vicks Rocz
I think there is not much to worry on this count.
Thunderbird is already having the loveliest among all its extensions,
THUNDERBROWSE.
Using that, we can surf within TB itself, not just by clicking on the
links received in the mails/ posts, but by entering our fresh urls in
the address bar in the TB. Now, it even has capability to open a new
window for browsing by pressing the keyboard shortcut (^w). You can open
multiple browsing windows. That supports Java and Javascript also. It
has History/ GET/ POST also, I think.
THUNDERBROWSE developers are looking to incorporate tabs also in that
and bookmarks also and I hope we can see that working any time soon.
People have requested in greasemonkey googlegroup for a TB version of gm
and I think that will also come soon.
The Achiless Heel is Logging In. Because TB doesn't support storing of
cookies, logging in to sites is not possible yet, but it is said to come
in TB 3.0. As soon as that code is released, I am sure THUNDERBROWSE
would cross that bridge also.
Not that I have any grudge with FF, but when officials are looking for a
divorce, the kids will have to decide which of the parents they want to
go with.
With Thunderbird+THUNDERBROWSE, why would you need Firefox?
OK, OK. I understand why. But the major hurdle has been crossed and
other nitty gritty will also get attended. So I hope.
--
Vicks
Vicks Rocz
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> You can subscribe to an independent news server, such as
>> Giganews for NNTP access.
>
> but they're a paid server. I want free ones!
>
aioe.org is the best free server.
--
Vicks
Vicks Rocz
> The news reader is simple for non-binary news groups and I can get the
> information I need quickly.
>
XanaNews is the best news reader, having full binary support, including
automatic combining of multipart attachments.
--
Vicks
Vicks Rocz
retired and condom(s)?
Ron K.
XNews is similar and is a free download. What I find odd is XNews was a
one man design and develop project and it got news done with all the
basics including yEnc.
This while the Mozilla then Tb development teams have only done partial
yEnc decode.
--
Ron K.
Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting
Sjouke Burry
Christopher Jahn
news:x5CdnQcRiOMrNzPb...@mozilla.org:
>> XanaNews is the best news reader, having full binary support,
>> including automatic combining of multipart attachments.
>>
>
> XNews is similar and is a free download. What I find odd is
> XNews was a one man design and develop project and it got news
> done with all the basics including yEnc.
> This while the Mozilla then Tb development teams have only
> done partial yEnc decode.
>
But they've also built an EMAIL client that handles THREE
protocols, TWO formats of message, an address book, and SSL. Lot
more work than a newsreader that only deals with ONE format and
ONE protocol, NO address book, and no SSL capability.
BTW, I love my Xnews, but let's be fair.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
If at first you don't succeed, try following the instructions.
Ron Hunter
I should think that most of us who are retired on a fixed income are far
past need for that particular item.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
Do you also insist on driving nails with a screwdriver? Why not just
use Firefox, and have everything? Once it is open, it is just another
window, and the two work flawlessly together here. Is it just the
thrill of making something do what it wasn't intended to do?
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
I see no binaries, so this would be a good source for use with
Thunderbird. How many groups?
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
are far past need for that item in retirement.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
considered binary groups appropriate for newsgroups. I gave up LONG ago
ever seeing that feature in a Mozilla based product.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Bed
I originally thought "hey COOL!" when I saw ThunderBrowse, "If I'm
following a link from a feed page or email it won't switch windows".
I use Opera, not firefox but the principal is exactly the same - I
*always* open links in a new window and then continue on reading.
Thunderbrowse breaks this. Comes back to what I was saying in the other
group, there's a PULL client, and a PUSH client.
Bed
>>
>> XNews is similar and is a free download. What I find odd is XNews was
>> a one man design and develop project and it got news done with all the
>> basics including yEnc.
>> This while the Mozilla then Tb development teams have only done
>> partial yEnc decode.
>>
> It isn't a matter of ability, just intent. The Mozilla team has never
> considered binary groups appropriate for newsgroups. I gave up LONG ago
> ever seeing that feature in a Mozilla based product.
And really, alt.binaries are for porn and warez - who downloads a linux
ISO from a newsgroup? :D
Ron K.
How about multi-part TIFF images from NASA being shared in a USENET
group on astronomy. Or large JPEG in a photograph group that is split
because of upload limits. The assumption that all binaries are porn or
warez is irritatingly irrational.
Bed
for anything other than porn or warez. :)
Blinky the Shark
FWIW, news.datemas.de and news.motzarella.org are both text only, as
well. I have aioe set up in one of my several[1] <g> news clients, but
didn't mention it when I recommended those two because I've heard
complaints in other groups about it being down enough to apparently be
troublesome for its users.
[1]Xnews, slrn, Pan, Knode, Thunderbird, Dialog and XPN. Just for Gus,
I should add tin and Claws and MesNews and Gravity and XanaNews and... ;)
Ron K.
Well I think I am more than a minority of one. True there is a lot of
piracy going on and the yEnc encoding opened the door wide open,
combined with broadband access. The fallout is many good decent binary
groups suffer. Some binary sharing groups have had to migrate to private
servers with authenticated accounts to keep the junk out. I have
subscribed to groups that scanned public domain art that frequently
required two or more parts to post within the 1 megabyte limits of many
NNTP servers. It is unfortunate that USENET has acquired a reputation
of lawlessness. It sure is a far cry from what the students at two
universities envisioned when they wrote TIN for the schools UNIX systems
to swap spooled messages during lulls in the normal ARPANET traffic.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> I should think that most of us who are retired on a fixed income are far
> past need for that particular item.
Yahbutt, the old ladies can't move fast enough in the retirement homes. :-D
f'up to .general
--
Jay Garcia Netscape/Mozilla Champion
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
Chris Barnes
> On 7/31/2007 4:09 AM, Thunderbird leader Bed by teletype announced:
>>> considered binary groups appropriate for newsgroups. I gave up LONG ago
>>> ever seeing that feature in a Mozilla based product.
>>>
>> And really, alt.binaries are for porn and warez - who downloads a linux
>> ISO from a newsgroup? :D
>
> How about multi-part TIFF images from NASA being shared in a USENET
> group on astronomy. Or large JPEG in a photograph group that is split
> because of upload limits. The assumption that all binaries are porn or
> warez is irritatingly irrational.
Subject changed to match the hijacked thread... ;-p
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I feel like the days
of USENET (specifically) are coming to an end. Which is sad since I am
one of the "old timers" who has used Usenet since the mid-late 1980's).
This is especially true for unmoderated Usenet groups - I don't think I
have seen an unmoderated group in the Big8 that has any viability left
whatsoever due to the flame wars, trolls, and spam. There are now ZERO
Big8 groups I subscribe to that aren't moderated (and two of those, *I*
am the moderator). What's more, of the unmoderated groups I used to
participate in, they have *all* either formed "groupname".moderated (eg.
news.groups.proposals) or the participants have simply formed a
web-based forum and migrated en mass) there
(misc.education.home-schooling.christian).
Now all that said, for support groups for products, where the vendor
runs their own newsserver (ala. news.mozilla.org or
msnews.microsoft.com), newsgroups are IDEAL. In fact, they are much,
MUCH better than any webbased bbs group. For those, the decision on
whether or not to allow binary groups is up to the vendor running the site.
As far as Ron's suggestion that binary groups are needed to allow for
file transfers of large files - I don't buy it. In fact, I would think
that the argument for a binary group is best made for SMALL files (small
images such as screenshots, icons, etc). For large files, putting the
file on a server somewhere with a link in the post is a far, FAR better
solution.
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ch...@txbarnes.com Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes
You always have freedom of choice, but you never have freedom of
consequence.
Ron K.
announced:
Chris, you and I have similar memories of what USENET was. In the
current climate with easy access to Rapidshare your last paragraph is
valid. Sites like Flicker have negated much of the traffic in the
legitimate binary groups. My point was not to support that binary groups
are needed any more as an argument to steer Tb development. There was a
past roll for binary groups like those I mentioned. Lets let this sub
thread drop. Any follow up can be by mail.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> FWIW, news.datemas.de and news.motzarella.org are both text only, as
> well.
. . . and they're not constantly down like . . .
> I have aioe set up in one of my several[1] <g> news clients, but
> didn't mention it when I recommended those two because I've heard
> complaints in other groups about it being down enough to apparently be
> troublesome for its users.
. . . aioe is. It can be several times a month that server
has some sort of problem. But then again, it is run by one
individual who has to work to keep it up and running.
--
Please do not email me for help. Reply to the newsgroup
only. And only click on the Reply button, not the Reply All
or Reply to Author. Thanks!
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Andrew DeFaria
Well, SOME lucky people do retire in their earlier years, but most of us are far past need for that item in retirement.Or a box of condoms!retired and condom(s)?
Andrew DeFaria
How about multi-part TIFF images from NASA being shared in a USENET group on astronomy.
Or large JPEG in a photograph group that is split because of upload limits.
Ah but some people seem condemned to live in the past - especially older people...
The assumption that all binaries are porn or warez is irritatingly irrational.
Ask yourself this question: Of the tons of gigabytes that are extracted from binary newsgroups what percentage are really for such examples as Ron has suggested here. My guess? 0.001% if that! But hell I'll be extremely generous and go all the way up to 5%. That still means that 95% of it is for the other stated usages...
Ron K.
announced:
> Be different. Conform.
And I will agree with the assessment of current conditions. Now back to
my nap.
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Ron K.
DevilsPGD
<rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
>Do you also insist on driving nails with a screwdriver? Why not just
>use Firefox, and have everything? Once it is open, it is just another
>window, and the two work flawlessly together here. Is it just the
>thrill of making something do what it wasn't intended to do?
For my own part, I use Craiglist and want to be able to flag posts
without having to close an unneeded window.
ThunderBrowse does this well.
--
Americans couldn't be any more self-absorbed if they were made from equal
parts water and papertowel.
-- Dennis Miller
DevilsPGD
<a...@amc.com.au> wrote:
Don't forget illegal movies and audio files.
Gord McFee
> On 7/27/2007 3:37 AM, Thunderbird leader Blinky the Shark by teletype
> announced:
>> Ron K. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I am reminded of an old song wherein a character named "Desert
>>> Pete" has left a jar of water under a rock and a note. 'Prime
>>> the pump and leave a jar full for others, Thank You Kindly,
>>> Desert Pete" It was a song of faith. I want to have faith and
>>>
>> Holy cow. Kingston Trio. Haven't thought of *that* song in several
>> million years. Thanks for the memory. :)
>
> Wow, I finally found some one my own age with a compatible interest in
> music. How are you on PP&M selections?
Does "Paultalk" ring a bell? Maybe even Blinky doesn't remember that.
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Best regards
Gord McFee
Vicks Rocz
I had not many problems with FF+TB that I have been using for years
but the problems that I do have are
- huge memory consumption by either of the software
- long loading time of either of them.
Now, with THUNDERBROWSE working in TB, I need to just keep TB launched
and running on my box thus freeing resources that were consumed by FF if
it had been running. Now, if I get a link in a mail/ post, or if I need
to quickly search something on Google, I can just put that in
THUNDERBROWSE's bar and surf that instataneously, not needing to wait
for FF to get launched, take eons to come up and consume lotsa memory to
do the same what this some 170 KB extension does.
But, as I clarified, THUNDERBROWSE's capabilities are still at some
nascent stage. Cookies are not yet supported due to limitations of
Thunderbird, thus we can't personalize site, nor log into them. Further,
the million of useful extensions have come up for FF are not running in
THUNDERBROWSE. Tabs are not yet supported in THUNDERBROWSE.
Still, THUNDERBROWSE is extremely good and very useful and very
convenient extension. I would recommend it as the best thought off among
all extensions that have been ever developed for any software till date.
I don't know, Ron, why you have problems with THUNDERBROWSE? It is just
a piece of code and you should be happy to use it if it gives you some
benefits. Why you are going to the extent of "something that it was not
intended to do" that sounds like Catholic purity?
--
Vicks
Vicks Rocz
Have you tried recent Thunderbrowse versions?
You can now open every link a new window of Thunderbrowse. So, you got
what you always wanted.
would you elaborate on the concept of "PULL client, and PUSH client" please?
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Vicks