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Compacting? Well, it DOESN'T, at least not 100%

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V S Rawat

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Jun 30, 2010, 12:56:26 AM6/30/10
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I had made a post about my TB gone very slow. Didn't receive any
reply, but seeing a reply in another thread about msf files gone
corrupt and rebuilding them, I went ahead and deleted all msf files in
all folders and subfolders in my TB profile.

well, it did build up all the msfs dutifully again, but, but, but

I found dozens, rather 100s of old messages, for about 3-4 years old,
several of that I am sure I had deleted, and I keep on compacting all
folders almost every alternate day. At least they were all read, as
there is never any unread message left in my entire TB when I switch
away from my Tb window.

So, there seems to be some measure bug in compacting folders that it
is leaving some of the messages for some reason, that keep on
remaining there for ages.

And I noticed only those message which appeared as unread (blue bold)
and I have no way of knowing if it had revived previously deleted and
compacted messages as "read" so they would not appear to me in my
thousands of messages.

Anybody else noticed that? could someone please try deleting his all
msf files and rebuild them (rebuild is automatic actually), and see
whether he is getting back any old old old read and deleted and
compacted message back as unread.

Thanks.
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Rawat

josepe

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Jun 30, 2010, 11:28:46 AM6/30/10
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As I see the best way is deleting msf index files one at once.
First the biggest (inbox for example). Then open TB and do compact
process. This can take some time, depending the archive size and machine
speed.
When finish, go outbox, etc.
All definitive no necesary emails should be deleted with shift-delete,
or Empty Recycled every week.

EE

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Jun 30, 2010, 2:38:10 PM6/30/10
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Why not select the whole account, then pull down the file menu and use
"Compact Folders"? Since "folders" is plural, I presume that compacts
all of them in the account. Thunderbird has not slowed down for me, and
I have been using it for years.

Ken Whiton

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Jul 1, 2010, 3:08:10 AM7/1/10
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*-* On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, at 10:26:26 +0530,
*-* In Article <fpadnWydeq3hU7fR...@mozilla.org>,
*-* V S Rawat wrote
*-* About Compacting? Well, it DOESN'T, at least not 100%

> I had made a post about my TB gone very slow. Didn't receive any
> reply, but seeing a reply in another thread about msf files gone
> corrupt and rebuilding them, I went ahead and deleted all msf files
> in all folders and subfolders in my TB profile.
>
> well, it did build up all the msfs dutifully again, but, but, but
>
> I found dozens, rather 100s of old messages, for about 3-4 years
> old, several of that I am sure I had deleted, and I keep on
> compacting all folders almost every alternate day. At least they
> were all read, as there is never any unread message left in my
> entire TB when I switch away from my Tb window.
>
> So, there seems to be some measure bug in compacting folders that it
> is leaving some of the messages for some reason, that keep on
> remaining there for ages.
>
> And I noticed only those message which appeared as unread (blue
> bold) and I have no way of knowing if it had revived previously
> deleted and compacted messages as "read" so they would not appear to
> me in my thousands of messages.

What you've described is normal for newsgroups, but shouldn't
happen for POP3 e-mail. I have no experience with IMAP e-mail, but I
suspect it would be similar to newsgroups.

With newsgroup posts, the posts stay on the server, and aren't
(normally) downloaded to your computer. Consequently TB has to record
all it knows about the posts in the .msf files, and when one or more
of those gets corrupted/deleted/whatever that information can be lost.

With POP3 e-mail, OTOH, the messages are stored in the mbox files
on your computer, and (at least some of) the information about them
can be stored in those mbox files, in the "X-Mozilla-Status:" and
"X-Mozilla-Status2:" headers. Consequently, when one or more .msf
files gets corrupted/deleted/whatever, that information isn't lost,
and is retained when the .msf files are rebuilt.

> Anybody else noticed that? could someone please try deleting his all
> msf files and rebuild them (rebuild is automatic actually), and see
> whether he is getting back any old old old read and deleted and
> compacted message back as unread.

About 16 months ago my .msf file for this newsgroup got
corrupted, and when I re-downloaded headers for the group (My TB 1.5
doesn't have the "Rebuild Index" option, which was added in TB2.) all
the "history" I had had for the group was gone.

Ken Whiton
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josepe

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Jul 6, 2010, 10:21:48 AM7/6/10
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> Why not select the whole account, then pull down the file menu and use

Yea, you can, but all msf index files must be deleted first.
I mean one by one because some problems like the posting mentions, are
limited to a single Folder.
TB can work slow (very slow) because its trying to build index without
deleting the msf files.

Wayne Mery

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Jul 15, 2010, 2:37:56 PM7/15/10
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On 6/30/2010 2:38 PM, EE wrote:
> On 2010/06/30 8:28, josepe wrote:
>> As I see the best way is deleting msf index files one at once.
>> First the biggest (inbox for example). Then open TB and do compact
>> process. This can take some time, depending the archive size and machine
>> speed.

no, shouldn't take very long. couple minutes at most even for up to a
couple GB, as long as no new message downloads are involved.

on windows in the profile's imap directory, with thunderbird shut down
del *.msf /s
then restart

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