Portable ff/tb
V S Rawat
- Is there anything in full version that we don't get in portable version?
- what benefits we get in using portable version over the full version?
- portable is said to be for USB. Can I run it on my regular home pc, and can I uninstall full versions of ff/tb?
- I have two os (xp2009 and w7) on two HDDs mounted on the same pc, can I run same profiles of tb/ff from both os?
mozilla page on portable ff says that it is now downloadable from http://portableapps.com/. Why is that so? Isn't there any mozilla site urls from where the latest releases can be downloaded for us.
Thanks.
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Rawat
V S Rawat
http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#installing
says
"Removing Your Drive - When you're done, exit Firefox and then wait for the activity light on your removable drive to stop flashing. This may take a minute or more on slow drives or computers. Then select the 'Safely remove [device]' option from the icon in the system tray. If you remove the drive while it is writing, you may lose data."
Well, why does ff (probably tb too) report as closed on the screen while it is still writing data on the disk? It is a bad method that users have to rely on the blinking or not of the HDD light to assess whether it is still running or has got closed and completed writing to HDD. It should give some message like "saving data" or something as long as it is still conducting necessary activities.
Any tips about any other method to assess that ff/tb have finished writing to hdd?
Thanks.
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Rawat
Ken Whiton
*-* In Article <4OOdncWUNJqSHHPX...@mozilla.org>,
*-* V S Rawat wrote
*-* About Re: Portable ff/tb
[Rearranged to mozilla-preferred top-quote, bottom-post format]
> On 11/2/2009 12:13 PM India Time, _V S Rawat_ wrote:
>
>> Anybody who has used portable ff/tb, please give some
>> recommendations about it. dos and don'ts of using a portable
>> version versus using a full fledged installation.
I don't use the PortableApps versions of either TB or FF, but I
do use several other PortableApps applications, so I can provide some
general information on using PortableApps programs.
>> - Is there anything in full version that we don't get in portable
>> version?
I don't believe so, no.
>> - what benefits we get in using portable version over the full
>> version?
Portability. That is, the ability to transport the application
between (Windows) computers, and use it on any of them without doing a
normal installation (and subsequent uninstallation) on each of them.
>> - portable is said to be for USB. Can I run it on my regular home
>> pc,
Yes. The PortableApps I use are installed on my hard drive, not
on a removable device.
>> and can I uninstall full versions of ff/tb?
You should be able to, yes.
>> - I have two os (xp2009 and w7) on two HDDs mounted on the same pc,
>> can I run same profiles of tb/ff from both os?
You can do that with the conventional, non-portable versions. In
fact, you probably only need one copy of the program installed, which
could be run from either OS. AIUI, one of the changes made to the
PortableApps versions is that they don't use a profiles.ini file to
identify the location(s) of the profile(s), so in order to use the
same profile you might *HAVE* to have only one copy (of the
PortableApps version) installed.
>> mozilla page on portable ff says that it is now downloadable from
>> http://portableapps.com/. Why is that so? Isn't there any mozilla
>> site urls from where the latest releases can be downloaded for us.
The portability is not a product of Mozilla, but of the
PortableApps team, and their versions are usually not more than a few
days behind Mozilla's releases. For example, Mozilla announced the
release of Firefox 3.6 Beta 1 on October 30, while the PortableApps
version is dated October 31.
> The page:
> http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#installing
> says
> "Removing Your Drive - When you're done, exit Firefox and then wait
> for the activity light on your removable drive to stop flashing.
> This may take a minute or more on slow drives or computers. Then
> select the 'Safely remove [device]' option from the icon in the
> system tray. If you remove the drive while it is writing, you may
> lose data."
That's standard precautionary procedure when dealing with
writable removable devices, regardless of what application(s) may be
running, and dating back to the dawn of PCs, when floppy discs were
the only media available.
> Well, why does ff (probably tb too) report as closed on the screen
> while it is still writing data on the disk? It is a bad method that
> users have to rely on the blinking or not of the HDD light to assess
> whether it is still running or has got closed and completed writing
> to HDD. It should give some message like "saving data" or something
> as long as it is still conducting necessary activities.
>
> Any tips about any other method to assess that ff/tb have finished
> writing to hdd?
The paragraph you quoted from the PortableApps page refers to
"your removable drive". Now you're talking about a hard drive, which
is an entirely different matter. If you're thinking of an external
hard drive, and disconnecting it from the computer, then the "Safely
remove [device]" should still be followed, because TB and/or FF may
not be the only applications writing to the device.
Ken Whiton
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effdee
Best thing is having access to all your bookmarks and login details
available wherever you go.
Will never go back to installing FF on my system.
I also hunt down any Portable versions of any other programs I can get
hold of. Much better than 'installing' them and clogging the registry
with more stuff. And I have them wherever I am on the USB stick too.
effdee
David McRitchie
You lose the advantage of cheaply having multiple profiles if you go
only for the portable version and disadvantage of being a little behind.
Installing and using the portable version is a good learning experience
and you can be sure that you will not affect your main system.
With multiple profiles you can be testing with many different profile
and several versions Firefox. But you can have only ONE default
profile (/ version of Firefox) . Use a profile on only one version of
Firefox to avoid problems. Only your default version of Firefox
will start up by itself when trying to open a file from another application
and for that you should always use the same profile
Before venturing into the unknown backup your application files
which of course includes your profiles. If you don't know how to
do that or how to restore from backups or work with a profile --
don't continue.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Creating_a_new_Firefox_profile_on_Windows
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_multiple_profiles_-_Firefox
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HTH,
David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm
Greywolf
> The page:
> http://portableapps.com/support/firefox_portable#installing
> says
> "Removing Your Drive - When you're done, exit Firefox and then wait for
> the activity light on your removable drive to stop flashing. This may
> take a minute or more on slow drives or computers. Then select the
> 'Safely remove [device]' option from the icon in the system tray. If you
> remove the drive while it is writing, you may lose data."
>
> Well, why does ff (probably tb too) report as closed on the screen while
> it is still writing data on the disk? It is a bad method that users have
> to rely on the blinking or not of the HDD light to assess whether it is
> still running or has got closed and completed writing to HDD. It should
> give some message like "saving data" or something as long as it is still
> conducting necessary activities.
That is primarily a Windows thing, not an FF thing. It's designed to
ensure that any data held in memory for writing will in fact be written,
and that files that are "open for writing" are properly closed. It does
this for any external drive when it's about to be removed, and for the
internal drive on shutdown. Why does it do this? Because it holds data
in RAM and on the swap page, is why. And why is it done this way?
Because you want a fast machine.
Portable apps does one other thing, BTW: it flushes the machine's
caches, so that PA leaves no trace of your activity. But first it has to
make sure that what's in those caches is OK to flush.
> Any tips about any other method to assess that ff/tb have finished
> writing to HDD?
Patience is a virtue. ;-)
wolf k.
Franz Waldmüller
> Anybody who has used portable ff/tb, please give some recommendations
> about it. dos and don'ts of using a portable version versus using a full
> fledged installation.
do: buy a good and fast flash drive (I have used corsair voyager GT for
a while)
do: do backups!
don'ts: do eject your drive properly!
I am using thunderbird portable since 3 years without major problems.
But I have thunderbird installed locally as well and redirect it to the
profile stored on the thumb drive. (The portable application is only for
when I am on the go).
To edit thunderbird profiles launch thunderbird from the console
thunderbird -P
concerning your additional questions: There might be some issues with
some thunderbird extensions. I could not use enigmail (but I didn't put
much effort in trying to resolve this problem)
But you can easily move from a portable version to an installed one. If
you aren't satisfied with the portable application you will have to copy
the profile folder to the directory where the installed version expects it.
Additionally you will have to create all links in your startup menu on
your own.
Franz
Miles
Although I thoroughly enjoy using portable FX & TB when traveling,
portable has one distinct disadvantage which is that running it on a
USB2 is drastically slower than running it on your laptop -- primarily
slow in starting and stopping.
An advantage is that when traveling I can return to the home/office
and replace the home/office "kept emails" and bookmarks with the
up-to-date files from the portables. There may be other ways to sync
the 2, but I've been a bit leery, when simply deleting and copying
over is quick and easy.
Miles
effdee
I run it on my slave drive at home, and just sync it to the USB before
going out.
As for it running slowly on the USB, I solve that by copying the folder
to the desktop of the host computer to use it, and then just delete the
folder when finished, and empty the recycle bin before leaving.
:)
effdee
V S Rawat
I download and installed tb/ff portable versions to a separate blank partition (10GB) in my 40 GB hdd. (he he he, me poor? well, when it is still working well after 6 years, I am happily using it along with my 250GB)
observations:
1. When I run ff-portable/ tb-portable while regular ff/tb is running, it asked me to close the "other running instance" of these software.
What is the logic in making portable ff/tb interact with regular ff/tb? I mean, I thought that one can take portable version in his usb, and just plug in the usb to any computer and it will just run irrespective of what other applications are running on that system, even if ff/tb of the owner of that system or other users of that system are already running on that system. that regular continues with their regular profiles and portable continues with the profiles it brought alongwith it in the usb.
2. After I closed ff/tb, it started ofcourse with a blank profile. I digged (sp?) in and found the ff profile folder for the portable
Now, for ff portable, the file F:\Portables\FirefoxPortable\Data\settings\FirefoxPortableSettings.ini
had the following:
[FirefoxPortableSettings]
LastProfileDirectory=F:\Portables\FirefoxPortable\Data\profile
My regular ff profile is in E:\My Data\Ff\Profiles\my_profile
so I put that foldername in this file, making it
[FirefoxPortableSettings]
LastProfileDirectory=E:\My Data\Ff\Profiles\my_profile
But when I started ff portable, it still started with a blank profile and when I closed that, it has saved the same old folder name in this file, removing what folder name I had put.
--
I found that it also had another file F:\Portables\FirefoxPortable\App\DefaultData\settings
which also has similar entry
[FirefoxPortableSettings]
LastProfileDirectory=None
I put my regular profile name "E:\My Data\Ff\Profiles\my_profile" in place of none in it and ran it, it still opened with a blank profile, though when I closed it, it still had my changed profile name.
I changed the profile folder in both files, it still ran with blank profile.
What is to be done. Why do I have to put my regular profile entirely on this very location? Why can't I put it anywhere else on my system and tell it where to look for? ff profile maybe shorter but someone's tb profile may have gigs of old mails, that he wouldn't have so much usb space to copy the profile into.
How can I tell portable to use my regular profile of ff/tb?
"Copying Your Local Firefox Settings" says
"C:\Documents and Settings\[user]\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\default.???\ After running Firefox Portable once to let it setup its data directories, just copy the contents of that folder (except the cache directories) to the FirefoxPortable\Data\profile directory. Then, and this is important, delete the file FirefoxPortableSettings.ini within the FirefoxPortable\Data\settings directory, if there is one."
Is there any software that would pick data from my regular ff/ tb profile and copy to portable ff/tb profiles? if I have backed up my regular ff/tb profile using mozbackup, can I now restore that profile directly to use in portable?
or is there some entirely different concept of using portable as compared to regular version, as I have read that plug-in installation is entirely different in two methods so it has to be different profile.
I am stuck at the first step with portable after using netscape/ ff/tb for 10 years. Seems relative newbies are going to have even tougher time making portable work for them.
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Rawat
On 11/2/2009 12:13 PM India Time, _V S Rawat_ wrote:
Leonidas Jones
You really don't seem to be grasping the concept of a portable
application. It is designed to be run on any computer, without being
installed on that computer. That means it is set up to have its profile
data in the same location as the application, in order for the profile
to be available on any computer on which you use it. Getting FFPortable
to read the profile data of your installed FF defeats the entire purpose
of using the portable application.
When you open FFPortable for the first time, it is going to open a blank
profile, that's what it is designed to do. What you can do is to move
your original profile data manually to the new location, in effect
cloning your original profile on the portable profile. In other words,
instead of getting FFPortable to read the data in another location, you
move the data to the location it can read. It is that seeming
limitation that makes it work as a portable application.
I have never used MozBackup, so I don't know. Moving the data manually
is not that hard, so i have always done it that way. If I understand
how MozBackup works, yes, you should be able to use it to move your
profile data.
It is assumed that when you are using it on a guest computer, that you
have control over the machine, so an installed version of FF or TB will
not be running, so if you use it on your own machine, you can't run both
at the same time, at least not without going through a hoop or two. Yes
if you are borrowing a machine, you would have to close any running
instances of FF before opening FFportable. Then again, if you are the
one using the machine, why would you need to have an installed FF open?
Basically, it seems that you are trying to use portable application in
place of installed applications, then complaining when they don't behave
like the installed versions. :) You can certainly use these portable
versions in place of installed versions, but you do have to live with
that which makes them portable.
As I recall, the documentation provided at portableaps.com is quite
good, so I suggest some reading over there. They also have their own
web forums which are geared to portable aps specifically. You might want
to pose questions there.
Lee
V S Rawat
> You really don't seem to be grasping the concept of a portable
> application. It is designed to be run on any computer, without being
> installed on that computer. That means it is set up to have its profile
> data in the same location as the application, in order for the profile
> to be available on any computer on which you use it. Getting FFPortable
> to read the profile data of your installed FF defeats the entire purpose
> of using the portable application.
That is OK, but say, when my original regular profile is on E: and if I install portable ff in E: drive only (so that a profile and the ff system files are on the same drive as would have been in a usb), then it should work. It should be able to find the folder/profiles on the same drive and there wouldn't be any inconsistency even if some hdd or partitions change drive letter due to any brainwave of OS.
But it is not happening. ffp wants profile not just in the same drive, but also at one particular specific location. It is an unnecessary condition.
ffp developers need to understand what various purposes ffp can be used. If one wants to use it in place of regular ff, I think he should be able to do it. No purpose restricting the possible wider usage of it.
> When you open FFPortable for the first time, it is going to open a blank
> profile, that's what it is designed to do. What you can do is to move
> your original profile data manually to the new location, in effect
> cloning your original profile on the portable profile. In other words,
> instead of getting FFPortable to read the data in another location, you
> move the data to the location it can read. It is that seeming
> limitation that makes it work as a portable application.
As long as it can access other HDD/ partitions, and read data there, code should allow it to do it. Anyone who would be installing it in a way must be knowing that such a configuration will always be available and working, that's why he is putting that config. No point restricting that.
> I have never used MozBackup, so I don't know. Moving the data manually
> is not that hard, so i have always done it that way. If I understand
> how MozBackup works, yes, you should be able to use it to move your
> profile data.
some lock files don't get copied in normal copying. That's why some learned members here told me about using mozbakup.
> It is assumed that when you are using it on a guest computer, that you
> have control over the machine, so an installed version of FF or TB will
> not be running, so if you use it on your own machine, you can't run both
> at the same time, at least not without going through a hoop or two. Yes
> if you are borrowing a machine, you would have to close any running
> instances of FF before opening FFportable. Then again, if you are the
> one using the machine, why would you need to have an installed FF open?
If I am using TB and FF, and some of my friends come here with his usb having portable ffp/tbp and wants to use it, why should I be forced to close my own running ff/tb for him. That also kills that concept of portability if it is affected by the applications running on a system, and if it wants some changes to be done in the system, like closing tb/ff.
>
> Basically, it seems that you are trying to use portable application in
> place of installed applications,
Exactly. Righto. Ditto. Absolutely correct.
That is what I want.
And I don't know why developers should not allow it to happen.
> then complaining when they don't behave
> like the installed versions. :)
Yes, I am not able to understand the significant of the restrictions that they have put, that's why I find them unnecessary and am voicing my displeasure.
> You can certainly use these portable
> versions in place of installed versions, but you do have to live with
> that which makes them portable.
hmm. That's the way it is, it seems, sadly.
> As I recall, the documentation provided at portableaps.com is quite
> good, so I suggest some reading over there. They also have their own
> web forums which are geared to portable aps specifically. You might want
> to pose questions there.
No. I am more a fan and devoted user of ns/ff/tb of 10 years. I would rather voice my unhappiness here than at any other place. Of course, I would express my happiness at other places.
>
> Lee
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Rawat
Leonidas Jones
> On 11/6/2009 2:03 AM India Time, _Leonidas Jones_ wrote:
>
>> You really don't seem to be grasping the concept of a portable
>> application. It is designed to be run on any computer, without being
>> installed on that computer. That means it is set up to have its
>> profile data in the same location as the application, in order for the
>> profile to be available on any computer on which you use it. Getting
>> FFPortable to read the profile data of your installed FF defeats the
>> entire purpose of using the portable application.
>
> That is OK, but say, when my original regular profile is on E: and if I
> install portable ff in E: drive only (so that a profile and the ff
> system files are on the same drive as would have been in a usb), then it
> should work. It should be able to find the folder/profiles on the same
> drive and there wouldn't be any inconsistency even if some hdd or
> partitions change drive letter due to any brainwave of OS.
No, it shouldn't!!!! It stores the application in its own folder, with
a subfolder for the application, and a subfolder for the profile data.
If you use the Firefox.portable.exe to launch FF, it is hard coded to
open the profile from that location.
What you could do is open the application folder, find firefox.exe, and
open that. Then it should look for the standard profile. But what the
heck is the point of that? Why not just use the regular program? You
can install that wherever you want.
>
> But it is not happening. ffp wants profile not just in the same drive,
> but also at one particular specific location. It is an unnecessary
> condition.
But for the love of God, that's what makes it portable!!!!!!!! Without
that there is absolutely no point in developing the thing in the first
place!!!
>
> ffp developers need to understand what various purposes ffp can be used.
> If one wants to use it in place of regular ff, I think he should be able
> to do it. No purpose restricting the possible wider usage of it.
Then develop your own version!! These portable applications were
developed for one specific purpose. You have another need, fine, do it
yourself. To complain about the application working the way its
designed, well that's simply foolish.
/snip/
>
>> I have never used MozBackup, so I don't know. Moving the data manually
>> is not that hard, so i have always done it that way. If I understand
>> how MozBackup works, yes, you should be able to use it to move your
>> profile data.
>
> some lock files don't get copied in normal copying. That's why some
> learned members here told me about using mozbakup.
I've cloned profiles manually dozens of times, with fine results. If
MozBackup makes the job easier for you fine. You really don't need it
for this purpose, but if it works for you, great.
/snip/
>> As I recall, the documentation provided at portableaps.com is quite
>> good, so I suggest some reading over there. They also have their own
>> web forums which are geared to portable aps specifically. You might
>> want to pose questions there.
>
> No. I am more a fan and devoted user of ns/ff/tb of 10 years. I would
> rather voice my unhappiness here than at any other place. Of course, I
> would express my happiness at other places.
(Bangs head against desk.) Ah, I feel much better now.
This is a support group for Firefox. Firefox portable is not a Mozilla
product, it is from portableapps.com. There are people here who have
used it and can offer advice about it, but here are no portable apps
developers who hang out here. If you want to make suggestions about how
these applications can be used differently, and have some hope that they
might listen to you, make your concerns known there. Complaining about
it here is tantamount to going into the woods and complaining about it
to a tree.
Heck talking to the tree will work better for you, it won't talk back.
If you want advice about how to get the portable applications to behave
differently, the people who use them most hang out there. Post your
concerns there.
Lee
V S Rawat
> No, it shouldn't!!!! It stores the application in its own folder, with
> a subfolder for the application, and a subfolder for the profile data.
> If you use the Firefox.portable.exe to launch FF, it is hard coded to
> open the profile from that location.
The problem with using the portable standard profile location is:
- that it is hidden deep inside so many folders. there are many folders with the name of profiles in Apps and Data. It will be difficult for newbies to remember which is the actual profile location to take the backup or tweak it there.
Similar problem is there with regular ff/tb, but they at least luckily had only single profile folder. Due to MS' whims, it was hidden deep in documents and settings and application data and what not, making it impossible for a non-techy to reach it whenever needed.
usb is just for convenience. Say that my i am going out or say my pc is not working and I had taken backup in my usb and so I can quickly go to some cyber or some friends' box and access my mails or do my ff work. That is not the permanent thing. When my pc is back working, or I am back at my home, I would want my usb things to get updated to my regular ff/ tb profiles at the click of a button so that I continue using them in my regular profile.
That's why they should have made profile in portable at an easily accessible location.
btw, in the meantime I have gone through some other portable application also and I find that all that all that Apps, Data, Others are very much there in other portable applications also, so I concede that hiding profile such deep might not be a ff/tb developers brainwave but they are rather bound by portable program structuring. Still, they should have given a simple method as in regular ff/tb that changing the name of the location would make ff/ tb access profile from there.
But, I installe portable 2007 office and found that they don't have any apps data others structure, and just have an exe of each application in the install folder. That was very convenient. Hope other portable also can go that way.
> What you could do is open the application folder, find firefox.exe, and
> open that. Then it should look for the standard profile. But what the
> heck is the point of that? Why not just use the regular program? You
> can install that wherever you want.
No, regular ff/ tb use windows structure and windows registery. Anyone having more than one hard disk having more than one os would have to install regular tb/ff once in each os, and has to access that very set of ff/tb files that were installed in that version.
whereas, portable does away with system registry and does away with need of multiple installation. ONce I install it anyway, I would be able to run it through any harddisk and any os that I install in my box, without needing any change.
That's why I want to run portables instead of regulars, even though I never need to use it in usb.
If I find any portable version of any application that I run, I would dump the regular application and run only portable for the above reason.
>> But it is not happening. ffp wants profile not just in the same drive,
>> but also at one particular specific location. It is an unnecessary
>> condition.
>
> But for the love of God, that's what makes it portable!!!!!!!! Without
> that there is absolutely no point in developing the thing in the first
> place!!!
It seems they do have such a file where the location of profile is stored in portable, but they don't use it, the help at portable site even says to delete that file after copying regular profile to portable profile. Don't know why.
When the profile seems to be hardcoded in portable why have that file?
F:\Portables\FirefoxPortable\Data\settings\FirefoxPortableSettings.ini
>> ffp developers need to understand what various purposes ffp can be used.
>> If one wants to use it in place of regular ff, I think he should be able
>> to do it. No purpose restricting the possible wider usage of it.
>
> Then develop your own version!! These portable applications were
> developed for one specific purpose. You have another need, fine, do it
> yourself. To complain about the application working the way its
> designed, well that's simply foolish.
Then all that feedback thinggy goes down the drain.
God didn't decree that humans will make portable versions of regular versions. People felt the need that was conveyed to developers of various applications and they evolved a method for portables. Now my need is genuine and some day someone will develop it and remember to thank me that day for giving the idea as I am sure you would also be happy with doing away all regular applications and using portables for all softwares.
Application is working the way it is designed. I couldn't understand the unnecessary restrictions they have put that you are accepting as holy scriptures. In the same application, just by reading the location of profile from FirefoxPortableSettings.ini, it would do what I need. So it is not a rocket science. They should use a file they have conceived and put.
> I've cloned profiles manually dozens of times, with fine results. If
> MozBackup makes the job easier for you fine. You really don't need it
> for this purpose, but if it works for you, great.
No, it didn't work. it took ff backup well but didn't do tb backup, so I am also back to manual copying. :-) though I am relieved that I don't have to maintain another software. ;-)
Any idea why don't these guys give a backup/recover option, profile switcher, right in tb/ff? (on yeah, mozbackup site says that it is not developed by mozilla.)
>> No. I am more a fan and devoted user of ns/ff/tb of 10 years. I would
>> rather voice my unhappiness here than at any other place. Of course, I
>> would express my happiness at other places.
>
> (Bangs head against desk.) Ah, I feel much better now.
>
> This is a support group for Firefox. Firefox portable is not a Mozilla
> product, it is from portableapps.com. There are people here who have
> used it and can offer advice about it, but here are no portable apps
> developers who hang out here. If you want to make suggestions about how
> these applications can be used differently, and have some hope that they
> might listen to you, make your concerns known there. Complaining about
> it here is tantamount to going into the woods and complaining about it
> to a tree.
ohhhk. so portables are not really original developer work. A single separate site is developing portabes for all applications. I didn't know that. OK. thanks for clarifying that.
> Heck talking to the tree will work better for you, it won't talk back.
:-) Then you can't call that "talking" really. :-)
> If you want advice about how to get the portable applications to behave
> differently, the people who use them most hang out there. Post your
> concerns there.
>
> Lee
>
Sure. Now that you clarified for me ratbrain that portable is somebody else's product, I visit them now.
--
Rawat
Leonidas Jones
> On 11/8/2009 12:23 AM India Time, _Leonidas Jones_ wrote:
>
>> Heck talking to the tree will work better for you, it won't talk back.
>
> :-) Then you can't call that "talking" really. :-)
>
>> If you want advice about how to get the portable applications to
>> behave differently, the people who use them most hang out there. Post
>> your concerns there.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>
> Sure. Now that you clarified for me ratbrain that portable is somebody
> else's product, I visit them now.
>
> --
> Rawat
Excellent! Report back if you make any progress!
Lee
Leonidas Jones
> On 07.11.2009 22:05, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Leonidas Jones
> to generate the following:? :
>
> reg
reg, these are support groups. He asked for support. After a bit of
thing, he read my advice, understood it and followed it. I have no
problem at all here. If you do, it might be better not to voice it
here, since you took no part in the thread.
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