copy msg

[Miles]

When a msg is received in TB 17x and prior on occasion I want to copy
the msg to a different "kept mail" folder. This usually involves
changing the subject in the copy to reflect the new info.

Trouble is in TB there is no "copy," only "copy to" and if it is to be
copied to the same folder, it will not. Nor will the right click
command "move to folder x again" move it. This necessitates copying
it to another folder, opening it full screen, then changing the
subject using Header Tools Light, then moving it back to the wanted
folder.

Is there any way to copy a msg within that same folder, or any method
to save a few steps?
Miles

[Miles]

* Miles wrote, On 15-Mar-13 13:50:

Discovered that method doesn't work as it is not copying the msg to
another folder, but moving it! This therefore necessitates copying it
to "drafts," then changing the subject, then moving it back to the
original folder. Haven't tried moving/copying to another folder
other than the parent folder or drafts. Why would it be moving a
file/msg rather than copying?

[Miles]

* Miles wrote, On 15-Mar-13 14:15:

Find that copying it to drafts and making the subject change there,
then moving it to the original folder, loses the senders name as it
becomes my address. Also tried moving it to other "saved msg"
folders and the same occurred as moving it to the parent folder, it
simply doesn't work in TB!

[Mike Easter]

Miles wrote:
> When a msg is received in TB 17x and prior on occasion I want to copy
> the msg to a different "kept mail" folder. This usually involves
> changing the subject in the copy to reflect the new info.

Can you give a more specific example with the details which apply to one
specific message example of exactly what you are trying to accomplish?

Not what you are trying to 'do' with your copying and subject changing
that you described, but a more general less mechanical description of
what you want to accomplish.

Apparently you are talking about mail messages not news messages as you
have referred to 'kept mail' but conceivably you could want to keep some
valuable news message content and give it a different subject.

It would be useful to know what you want to 'do with' the result of the
mechanical processes, because there might be a better way to go about it.


--
Mike Easter

[Was Greywolf]

Basically, no, as you've discovered. What you are trying to do is change
the header info without changing the message body. You can do this by in
effect appropriating the message via Edit as New. Then you can change
the subject. But now it's your message, and TB, like any other e-mail
client, will ID you as the message source.

Your report of what you've tried suggests that you're bit fuzzy about
what Copy and Move actually do. They both place a copy of the message in
the destination folder (which is actually a file). Move marks the
message in the source folder as Moved. When you Compact the source
folder, the Moved messages are deleted, and the folder (file) is
rewritten. A large uncompacted folder can take several minutes to
compact on a slow system. Delete acts like Move: it places a copy of the
deleted file in the Deleted Folder.

--
Best,
Wolf K.

[Peter Holsberg]

Miles has written on 3/15/2013 2:50 AM:

> When a msg is received in TB 17x and prior on occasion I want to copy
> the msg to a different "kept mail" folder.

Below, you say that you want to copy it to the same folder. Which is it?

> Trouble is in TB there is no "copy," only "copy to" and if it is to be
> copied to the same folder, it will not. Nor will the right click
> command "move to folder x again" move it. This necessitates copying
> it to another folder, opening it full screen, then changing the
> subject using Header Tools Light, then moving it back to the wanted
> folder.
>
> Is there any way to copy a msg within that same folder, or any method
> to save a few steps?

May I ask why you want to make a copy of a message that's in a folder
(other than Inbox)?

[David E. Ross]

Hmmm. I am still using Eudora Lite 3.0.6 from about 16 years ago.

I can drag and drop a message from In or Out to any other message
folder. That moves the message. If I hold down the Ctrl key before
starting the drag, however, it copies the message, leaving the original
where it is.

For incoming messages only -- whether or not they are still in the In
folder -- opening the message gives me buttons for Show All Headers and
for Edit the Message. To prevent loss of headers, I use the first
button and then then second. Not only can I then edit the message body,
but I can also edit the headers -- including Subject.

There are other features of my old version of Eudora that -- 16 years
later -- still do not exist in Thunderbird. I have submitted a few RFE
bug reports over the years, but none of them get implemented.

--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Are taxes too high in the U.S.? Check the bar graph
at <http://www.rossde.com/taxes/trickling.html> to see.

[Bill Braun]

On 3/15/2013 2:50 AM, Miles wrote:

Like others have noted, the reason you want to do this in the first
place is fuzzy, and as a consequence it is hard to make suggestions that
are useful. So taking another stab (hopefully not in the dark) - have
you looked at archiving the messages? That might get you where you want
to go.

Bill

[goodwin]

As others have indicated, its impossible to tell what you are trying to do.
More clarity of your aim is needed.

[Miles]

* Miles wrote, On 15-Mar-13 13:50:

To clarify as to why copying a mail msg is necessitated:
I receive some msgs from a newspaper which speak of several different
unrelated subjects such as how to chop garlic and recommended
refrigerator/freezer temps. So I want 2 copies of the msg each with
their own header. Guess I could copy a portion of the msg and make a
new one out of it, but that loses the identity of the sender so
thought I'd use Header Tools Light to accomplish this, but see it also
looses the identity because in TB it's necessary to copy a msg out to
"drafts" to accomplish this.

Is there a workaround to prevent losing the original sender's name --
such as copying it to another folder as opposed to drafts? Or ---?
Miles

[Peter Holsberg]

Miles has written on 3/15/2013 9:23 PM:

I would set up a subfolder with the name of that newspaper, and then
subfolders under that, each named for the topic. Then you could use
Message > Copy To to send a message to each of those folders, one at a
time. Next, if you like, you could use Header Tools to change only the
Subject.

[Miles]

* Miles wrote, On 15-Mar-13 13:50:

Believe I've finally found the culprit (gave up for awhile because I
couldn't figure it out): TB 17.0.3 and --.4 does not copy/paste
(cntrl/c & cntrl/v). This works OK outside of TB & in msg prep window.

Nor will it allow cut/paste ctrl/x & cntrl/v.

And right click context menu of a msg "copy" is not copy. It is
merely placing a link to the original msg. This was discovered
because if I copy it to another mail folder in TB, and change the
subject in the copy it is also changed in the original in the original
folder.

Using Win7,64bit, pro. Don't know if this could relate to Google,
since must wait for all msgs to pass through Google before change (or
non-change) is completed -- even though the sync extension is turned
off apparently all msgs must sync with Google. And I've restarted Win
to ensure it wasn't a hangup there.
Miles

[Peter Holsberg]

Miles has written on 3/19/2013 2:24 AM:

>
> Believe I've finally found the culprit (gave up for awhile because I
> couldn't figure it out): TB 17.0.3 and --.4 does not copy/paste
> (cntrl/c & cntrl/v). This works OK outside of TB & in msg prep window.
>
> Nor will it allow cut/paste ctrl/x & cntrl/v.
>
> And right click context menu of a msg "copy" is not copy. It is
> merely placing a link to the original msg. This was discovered
> because if I copy it to another mail folder in TB, and change the
> subject in the copy it is also changed in the original in the original
> folder.

That's not my experience at all. When I use "copy to" in any of the
places it occurs, it makes an actual copy. I can then change the subject
using "Change Header Details" without affecting the original.

> Using Win7,64bit, pro. Don't know if this could relate to Google,
> since must wait for all msgs to pass through Google before change (or
> non-change) is completed -- even though the sync extension is turned
> off apparently all msgs must sync with Google. And I've restarted Win
> to ensure it wasn't a hangup there.

Are you perhaps reading a Gmail IMAP account with TB?

[Miles]

* Peter Holsberg wrote, On 19-Mar-13 22:12:

Yes, I forgot to mention that.

[Peter Holsberg]

Miles has written on 3/19/2013 1:06 PM:

> * Peter Holsberg wrote, On 19-Mar-13 22:12:

>> Are you perhaps reading a Gmail IMAP account with TB?
>>
> Yes, I forgot to mention that.

OK. Let me tell you what I did with a Gmail IMAP account of mine.

1. Open a message in the Inbox.
2. Message > Copy to. Select a different folder in the same account but
NOT one that is a subfolder of Inbox.
3. Open the copy.
4. Change the subject via Message > Change header details.
5. Verify that the subject had been changed.
6. Return to the Inbox and verify that the subject of the original
message had NOT been changed.

I'll bet that your destination folder is a subfolder of Inbox! Am I
right? :-)

[Miles]

* Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 06:44:

No! Putting it in drafts or a "kept msg folder" which are not in the
inbox, but on the same level as "inbox."

Peter, are you using the addon Header Tools Light? If so then you
would change the subject with Message/HeaderToolsLight/Change Header
Details, & it is the latest version, 0.4.4.

My next step will be to try it with all addons disabled except Header
Tools Light, and will get back to you.

[Miles]

* Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 06:44:

Another difference is that I am not starting off in the inbox, but in
a "kept mail" folder -- a msg that was received yesterday or a year
ago. So I'll try it from the inbox with a test msg sent to myself.

[Miles]

* Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 06:44:

Have discovered the problem, but don't know the cure:
1) Sent a test msg to my inbox (not a sub-folder of inbox)
2) Msg/copy and copy it to a kept mail folder which is not part of
inbox. It is seen there.
3) Click on msg copy so it's full screen.
Msg/headertoolslight/change subject. Then see it as changed in that
folder.
4) Return to Inbox and msg is not there.
Tried this 3 times with same result.

My only next choice is to record all active addons, disable all except
HeaderToolsLight and try again. However, I'm out of time for today
and perhaps tomorrow so will let it ride for now.

[Peter Holsberg]

Miles has written on 3/19/2013 11:57 PM:

> Peter, are you using the addon Header Tools Light? If so then you
> would change the subject with Message/HeaderToolsLight/Change Header
> Details, & it is the latest version, 0.4.4.

No. I use TB Header Tools Extension.

[Miles]

* Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 23:19:

Disabled Header Tools Light & enabled TB HTE which does not work with
TB 17.0.4 -- it reads OK for 0.5-1.0+ and when press Options button in
the extension it freezes TB and must go into Task Mgr to kill TB.
Also nothing is seen in the Message drop down that would enable
changes to the header -- whether or not the msg is open full screen.

What version of TB are you using which allows this extension to work?

Did find a work-around: copy a msg to another folder -- it is seen in
both places --/select the msg in the new folder/Cntrl-E (edit msg as
new)/change header subject/send msg and then copy the received msg to
the original folder. Both msgs are seen in the folder with their
correct subject, except the sender becomes "user", not the original
sender's name and can't find any method to change it.

Apparently this is demonstrating that Header Tools Light is not
operating correctly & I should contact them with a link to this thread
so it can be resolved. Any thoughts before I do that? We do have a
time frame difference as I'm in Asia & you're evidently in the states,
so will wait until tomorrow to hear from you, Peter.
Miles

[Peter Holsberg]

Miles has written on 3/21/2013 2:58 AM:

> * Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 23:19:
>> Miles has written on 3/19/2013 11:57 PM:
>>
>>> Peter, are you using the addon Header Tools Light? If so then you
>>> would change the subject with Message/HeaderToolsLight/Change Header
>>> Details, & it is the latest version, 0.4.4.
>>
>> No. I use TB Header Tools Extension.
>>
>
> Disabled Header Tools Light & enabled TB HTE which does not work with
> TB 17.0.4 --

Do you know now to change the max version number of the extension?

> What version of TB are you using which allows this extension to work?

17.0.4

> Apparently this is demonstrating that Header Tools Light is not
> operating correctly & I should contact them with a link to this thread
> so it can be resolved.

If the copy is a true copy -- and that is my experience -- it's not
likely that HTL has anything wrong with it.

[Ken Whiton]

*-* On Thu, 21 Mar 2013, at 13:58:36 +0700,
*-* In Article <aPidnYd9LrE8MtfM...@mozilla.org>,
*-* Miles wrote
*-* About Re: copy msg link?

> * Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 23:19:
>> Miles has written on 3/19/2013 11:57 PM:

>>> Peter, are you using the addon Header Tools Light? If so then
>>> you would change the subject with Message/HeaderToolsLight/Change
>>> Header Details, & it is the latest version, 0.4.4.

>> No. I use TB Header Tools Extension.

> Disabled Header Tools Light & enabled TB HTE which does not work
> with TB 17.0.4 -- it reads OK for 0.5-1.0+

The original developer of that extension dropped out of sight
years ago, leaving it an orphan. There was a "bumped" version
available that worked with TB up to 2.0.0.24, and a couple of modified
versions which had been tweaked to work with TB3. Peter is using one
of those modified versions, which apparently still works with his TB
17.0.4. Those versions were available at a Web site named Add-ons
Mirror, which was shut down about a month ago. :-(

<http://shaunlorrain.com.au/2013/02/10/an-end-of-an-era-for-an-old-project/>

> and when press Options
> button in the extension it freezes TB and must go into Task Mgr to
> kill TB. Also nothing is seen in the Message drop down that would
> enable changes to the header -- whether or not the msg is open full
> screen.

That original version you downloaded installed under the Tools
menu. The location was moved to the Message menu when the extension
was modified to work with TB3.

> What version of TB are you using which allows this extension to
> work?

I think he's using 0.7.1, and unless he or someone else has a
copy of that that he could e-mail to you you probably won't be able to
obtain it.

Ken Whiton
--
FIDO: 1:132/152
InterNet: kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)

[Miles]

* Peter Holsberg wrote, On 21-Mar-13 14:31:

> Miles has written on 3/21/2013 2:58 AM:
>> * Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 23:19:
>>> Miles has written on 3/19/2013 11:57 PM:
>>>
>>>> Peter, are you using the addon Header Tools Light? If so then you
>>>> would change the subject with Message/HeaderToolsLight/Change Header
>>>> Details, & it is the latest version, 0.4.4.
>>>
>>> No. I use TB Header Tools Extension.
>>>
>>
>> Disabled Header Tools Light & enabled TB HTE which does not work with
>> TB 17.0.4 --
>
> Do you know now to change the max version number of the extension?
>
>> What version of TB are you using which allows this extension to work?
>
> 17.0.4
>

I knew how to change the max version a few years ago, but don't recall
now and all of my notes were tossed out when I moved. As I recall it
was quite simple, can you give me a clue?

If that doesn't work out, will contact HTLite and see if they can fix
their extension. At this stage the only difficulty I have is the loss
of header detail of the original sender and date and have no idea
how/if that can be fixed.

[Miles]

* Ken Whiton wrote, On 21-Mar-13 15:10:

> *-* On Thu, 21 Mar 2013, at 13:58:36 +0700,
> *-* In Article <aPidnYd9LrE8MtfM...@mozilla.org>,
> *-* Miles wrote
> *-* About Re: copy msg link?
>
>> * Peter Holsberg wrote, On 20-Mar-13 23:19:
>>> Miles has written on 3/19/2013 11:57 PM:
>
>>>> Peter, are you using the addon Header Tools Light? If so then
>>>> you would change the subject with Message/HeaderToolsLight/Change
>>>> Header Details, & it is the latest version, 0.4.4.
>
>>> No. I use TB Header Tools Extension.
>
>> Disabled Header Tools Light & enabled TB HTE which does not work
>> with TB 17.0.4 -- it reads OK for 0.5-1.0+
>
> The original developer of that extension dropped out of sight
> years ago, leaving it an orphan. There was a "bumped" version
> available that worked with TB up to 2.0.0.24, and a couple of modified
> versions which had been tweaked to work with TB3. Peter is using one
> of those modified versions, which apparently still works with his TB
> 17.0.4. Those versions were available at a Web site named Add-ons
> Mirror, which was shut down about a month ago. :-(
>
> <http://shaunlorrain.com.au/2013/02/10/an-end-of-an-era-for-an-old-project/>
>

Too bad I just discovered the shortcomings with the Lite version! But
the other version I had installed, believe it was Header Tools
Extension(?) failed approximately with the update to TB17 or perhaps
16 which presumably I could go back to.

>> and when press Options
>> button in the extension it freezes TB and must go into Task Mgr to
>> kill TB. Also nothing is seen in the Message drop down that would
>> enable changes to the header -- whether or not the msg is open full
>> screen.
>
> That original version you downloaded installed under the Tools
> menu. The location was moved to the Message menu when the extension
> was modified to work with TB3.
>
>> What version of TB are you using which allows this extension to
>> work?
>
> I think he's using 0.7.1, and unless he or someone else has a
> copy of that that he could e-mail to you you probably won't be able to
> obtain it.
>
> Ken Whiton
>

Ken, don't believe I'll try 0.7.1 at this time as too much else on my
plate -- who knows what other problems that may bring! Will wait to
hear from Peter and see if he can offer any help.

[Peter Holsberg]

Miles has written on 3/21/2013 4:44 AM:

> I knew how to change the max version a few years ago, but don't recall
> now and all of my notes were tossed out when I moved. As I recall it
> was quite simple, can you give me a clue?
>
> If that doesn't work out, will contact HTLite and see if they can fix
> their extension. At this stage the only difficulty I have is the loss
> of header detail of the original sender and date and have no idea
> how/if that can be fixed.

I just don't see HTL as the culprit.

It seems that whenever you make a copy, you actually make a link, which
is -- by definition -- not a separate file. So whatever change you make
to one of them will occur in "all" of them.

Have you tried starting TB in its safe mode?

[Miles]

* Peter Holsberg wrote, On 21-Mar-13 23:01:

In safe mode don't have header tools light and evidently an extension
can't be added when in safe mode and I can't spare the time right now
to record each one that is active and not active in order to
de-activate all and then activate only header tools light. (Is it
somehow possible to add an enabled extension when in safe mode?)

However, that is of little importance now that I've received TB header
tools 0.7.1 from you, Peter. It works better than advertised!

No problem changing a header in a msg in the inbox or elsewhere. If
elsewhere and I'm trying to create 2 msgs from 1, simply copy it out
to another folder which leaves the original intact. Then go to the
new msg and change the subject to "subject 2" and drag it back to the
folder where it originated. Then in that same folder change the
subject of the original msg to only indicate "subject 1" (which is not
mentioned in the msg that was just dragged). Does that make sense?

Once all of these are corrected, presumably in the future it will be
easier in that a msg received with 2 items to be made into a subject,
simply drag the msg to the folder where it's to live, then copy it out
to another folder and change the subject there, and then drag it back.

[Miles]

Peter, forgot to mention that the 1st thing I did was to disable auto
update in the extension simply to prevent a possible future change.
Miles

[Miles]

* Miles wrote, On 15-Mar-13 13:50:
> When a msg is received in TB 17x and prior on occasion I want to copy
> the msg to a different "kept mail" folder. This usually involves
> changing the subject in the copy to reflect the new info.
>
> Trouble is in TB there is no "copy," only "copy to" and if it is to be
> copied to the same folder, it will not. Nor will the right click
> command "move to folder x again" move it. This necessitates copying
> it to another folder, opening it full screen, then changing the
> subject using Header Tools Light, then moving it back to the wanted
> folder.
>
> Is there any way to copy a msg within that same folder, or any method
> to save a few steps?
> Miles
>

Finally that file is completely corrected; was it ever a mess after
several years of mis-identification. Only took about 3 hours to clean
up 261 msgs in the folder using TB Header Tools as provided by Peter.
My guess is that about 150 of them had to be split into 2 or 3 msgs
and it went quickly -- or as quickly as can be expected when one must
wait for Google to find the msg and move it in the right place. (I'll
be quite happy when I can untangle Google from my messaging!)
Miles