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Graham P Davis
Nov 21, 2011, 2:08:11 PM11/21/11
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Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
from amnesia.
One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
the newsgroup requiring the details.
--
Graham Davis, UK
User of Mozillarish stuff since Netscape 1.2N.
Running FF 8.0, TB 8.0, KDE 4.7.3 on openSUSE 11.4.
know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
from amnesia.
One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
the newsgroup requiring the details.
--
Graham Davis, UK
User of Mozillarish stuff since Netscape 1.2N.
Running FF 8.0, TB 8.0, KDE 4.7.3 on openSUSE 11.4.
goodwin
Nov 21, 2011, 2:24:12 PM11/21/11
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On 11/21/2011 11:08 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
So when you look at Saved Passwords, nothing is there?
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
Do you have authentication set via account settings>server settings?
You may want to gover this page
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Password_not_remembered_-_Thunderbird
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
know that.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Nov 21, 2011, 2:47:06 PM11/21/11
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Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
It may help if you list the news service you are using.
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
which news 'service' you are connecting with - where you could likely
have many groups subscribed.
Do you eventually gain access? See new headers? If not, check to make
sure you are correctly entering the username and password. Check the
service's web page for status (are they up or down?).
--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high
Greywolf
Nov 21, 2011, 2:56:58 PM11/21/11
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On 21/11/2011 2:08 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
Occasionally settings don't stick. Find the passwords tab under
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
Preferences, the Show Passwords. Remove the one(s) for the news
server(s), restart Tbird. When it asks for the p/w, tick Password
Manager before you enter the p/w. This sometimes makes it stick.
It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
Good luck,
Wolf K.
Ron Hunter
Nov 21, 2011, 4:56:54 PM11/21/11
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On 11/21/2011 1:08 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
For reasons unknown to me, the 'generic' assumption made by TB is that
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
ANY error is the most likely one, that is the password/ID is being
rejected, so that is what you see. This is most often a case of the
server having 'authentication troubles', and is much more likely caused
by the email server than your computer. If you are absolutely positive
that the ID and password are correct, just cancel, and try to access
your email later. Failing that, you might try getting on via your
browser and webmail.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Nov 21, 2011, 5:04:33 PM11/21/11
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> If you are absolutely positive that the ID and password are correct,
> just cancel, and try to access your email later. Failing that, you might
> try getting on via your browser and webmail.
Though a good idea for email, the OP wrote about News and not email, Ron.
> If you are absolutely positive that the ID and password are correct,
> just cancel, and try to access your email later. Failing that, you might
> try getting on via your browser and webmail.
Ron Hunter
Nov 21, 2011, 5:07:32 PM11/21/11
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On 11/21/2011 4:04 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> If you are absolutely positive that the ID and password are correct,
>> just cancel, and try to access your email later. Failing that, you might
>> try getting on via your browser and webmail.
>
> Though a good idea for email, the OP wrote about News and not email, Ron.
>
Exactly the same logic applies, except that it's a bit harder to check.
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> If you are absolutely positive that the ID and password are correct,
>> just cancel, and try to access your email later. Failing that, you might
>> try getting on via your browser and webmail.
>
> Though a good idea for email, the OP wrote about News and not email, Ron.
>
Chris Ilias
Nov 21, 2011, 5:41:13 PM11/21/11
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On 11-11-21 4:56 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
> On 11/21/2011 1:08 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
>> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
>> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
>> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
>> from amnesia.
>>
>> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
>> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>>
> For reasons unknown to me, the 'generic' assumption made by TB is that
> ANY error is the most likely one, that is the password/ID is being
> rejected, so that is what you see.
I think "PASS Required" text is a server message. That was the case with
> On 11/21/2011 1:08 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
>> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
>> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
>> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
>> from amnesia.
>>
>> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
>> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>>
> For reasons unknown to me, the 'generic' assumption made by TB is that
> ANY error is the most likely one, that is the password/ID is being
> rejected, so that is what you see.
XPAT errors.
--
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
David E. Ross
Nov 21, 2011, 7:38:34 PM11/21/11
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On 11/21/11 11:08 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
Are you possibly experiencing an instance of bug #437930?
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930>.
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.
Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive
bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation.
© 1997 by David E. Ross
clay
Nov 21, 2011, 7:53:41 PM11/21/11
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On 11/21/2011 2:04 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> If you are absolutely positive that the ID and password are correct,
>> just cancel, and try to access your email later. Failing that, you might
>> try getting on via your browser and webmail.
>
> Though a good idea for email, the OP wrote about News and not email, Ron.
>
The OP is referring to NNTP but I see the same issue, on occasion, with
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> If you are absolutely positive that the ID and password are correct,
>> just cancel, and try to access your email later. Failing that, you might
>> try getting on via your browser and webmail.
>
> Though a good idea for email, the OP wrote about News and not email, Ron.
>
POP.
The workaround is the same. Close the pw nag and exit Thunderbird, least
we loose the stored passwords for the mail accounts.
Graham P Davis
Nov 22, 2011, 3:42:33 AM11/22/11
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On 22/11/11 00:38, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/21/11 11:08 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
>> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
>> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
>> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
>> from amnesia.
>>
>> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
>> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>>
>
> Are you possibly experiencing an instance of bug #437930?
>
> See<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930>.
>
Yes, looks like the same one - or two; I see #702038 has been re-opened.
> On 11/21/11 11:08 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
>> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
>> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
>> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
>> from amnesia.
>>
>> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
>> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>>
>
> Are you possibly experiencing an instance of bug #437930?
>
> See<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930>.
>
I'm not convinced the latter is a new feature; I recall this happening
with TB3.
I fired up Pan whilst this problem with TB was occurring and accessed
the offending server with no trouble. In the meantime, TB was still
chucking out prompts for user-names and passwords. Eventually it got
itself sorted but at the cost of several groups returning to square one
in having all posts marked as unread.
Don't know why I typed newsgroup instead of news-server. Twice! Eejut!
Todd and Margo Chester
Nov 22, 2011, 3:35:50 PM11/22/11
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On 11/21/2011 11:08 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
I am having this same issue with news.eternal-september.org. All
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
my other news server work fine. I keep getting asked over and over.
Sometimes it will take for an hour or and I can use eternal-september.
but then back to wanting my credentials.
On eternal-septembers web site they way that at&t is blocking them
with their spam filter. I am using fontier.net.
Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
it into the stinkin' prompt!
-T
goodwin
Nov 22, 2011, 7:45:28 PM11/22/11
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On 11/22/2011 12:35 PM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
> On 11/21/2011 11:08 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
>> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
>> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
>> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
>> from amnesia.
<snip>
> On 11/21/2011 11:08 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
>> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
>> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
>> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
>> from amnesia.
> I am having this same issue with news.eternal-september.org. All
> my other news server work fine. I keep getting asked over and over.
> Sometimes it will take for an hour or and I can use eternal-september.
> but then back to wanting my credentials.
>
connection issue. Never had a pword request. Have you looked at the
user name/password saved for them in Tbird? Mine looks a little screwy
but seems to work. My user name and password are on 2 separate lines...
> On eternal-septembers web site they way that at&t is blocking them
> with their spam filter. I am using fontier.net.
>
> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
> it into the stinkin' prompt!
Keith Nuttle
Nov 22, 2011, 9:03:19 PM11/22/11
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eternal-september on a ATT Yahoo (SBCGlobal. ) and not having trouble
accessing the newsgroups.
I have had problems but solve them by removing the Eternal September
account and resubscribing to my newsgroups. Symptoms were similar to
what you described.
Todd and Margo Chester
Nov 23, 2011, 2:47:39 AM11/23/11
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On 11/22/2011 04:45 PM, goodwin wrote:
>
>>
>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>
> Don't understand what that means...
I was watching my keyboard, instead of the screen. The user name
>
>>
>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>
> Don't understand what that means...
prompt from eth-sept had popped up and I was typing into the user
name prompt. AAHHH!
Todd and Margo Chester
Nov 23, 2011, 2:50:43 AM11/23/11
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On 11/22/2011 04:45 PM, goodwin wrote:
> e-sept is often slow to connect - I always figured it was a network
> connection issue. Never had a pword request. Have you looked at the
> user name/password saved for them in Tbird? Mine looks a little screwy
> but seems to work. My user name and password are on 2 separate lines...
>
Now this is interesting. Even though I have told TH to remember
> connection issue. Never had a pword request. Have you looked at the
> user name/password saved for them in Tbird? Mine looks a little screwy
> but seems to work. My user name and password are on 2 separate lines...
>
my eth-sept user name and password at each pop up, there is are
no entries for eth-sept in my saved passwords.
Todd and Margo Chester
Nov 23, 2011, 2:55:18 AM11/23/11
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eth=sept is working for now and I have two lines in my
saved passwords.
I have got it to work before for a day or two. Hopefully
this time is will remain working for a month or so.
Graham P Davis
Nov 23, 2011, 3:58:28 AM11/23/11
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On 23/11/11 00:45, goodwin wrote:
>>
>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>
> Don't understand what that means...
Really? Same thing happened to me yesterday. I was typing a message and
>>
>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>
> Don't understand what that means...
didn't notice the prompt turn up - two-fingered typist looking at the
keyboard instead of the screen - and so "typed it into the stinkin' prompt!"
Torsten Villnow
Nov 23, 2011, 4:53:45 AM11/23/11
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Am 21.11.2011 20:08, schrieb Graham P Davis:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
I have experienced the same with news.individual.de.
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
Now I reinstalled TB 7.0.1 and the problem is gone - so for me the
problem is caused by TB 8.
--
Torsten Villnow
Ron Hunter
Nov 23, 2011, 5:50:41 AM11/23/11
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On 11/23/2011 2:58 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On 23/11/11 00:45, goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>>
>> Don't understand what that means...
>
> Really? Same thing happened to me yesterday. I was typing a message and
> didn't notice the prompt turn up - two-fingered typist looking at the
> keyboard instead of the screen - and so "typed it into the stinkin'
> prompt!"
>
Frustrating, I am sure, but do try to look before hitting 'return', at
> On 23/11/11 00:45, goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>>
>> Don't understand what that means...
>
> Really? Same thing happened to me yesterday. I was typing a message and
> didn't notice the prompt turn up - two-fingered typist looking at the
> keyboard instead of the screen - and so "typed it into the stinkin'
> prompt!"
>
least. You might be buying property on Mars, or something. Maybe,
someday, they will fix that problem, or at least send a sound before the
dialog box appears. Telling what server isn't allowing the ID/password
would be a VERY good improvement!
Ron Hunter
Nov 23, 2011, 5:51:51 AM11/23/11
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server, it just retries the error alert, over and over.
Graham P Davis
Nov 23, 2011, 6:14:29 AM11/23/11
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passwords and, like you, I have no user-name or password for my problem
server, news.independent.net. Once again, I'm having no trouble accessing
the same server via Pan.
--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Graham P Davis
Nov 23, 2011, 6:24:18 AM11/23/11
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fault. I've had this problem on and off for years, certainly as far back
as TB3.
Albert Sims
Nov 23, 2011, 10:23:22 AM11/23/11
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few months ago also), and just removed Eternal-September from my
accounts list in Thunderbird.Odd thing though, I don't get the password
prompt if I access Eternal-September in Windows Live Mail.
Don't think it's an AT&T issue, being I use a small, regional DSL provider.
--
Albert Sims
West Monroe,Louisiana
Todd and Margo Chester
Nov 23, 2011, 1:17:27 PM11/23/11
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On 11/23/2011 12:58 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On 23/11/11 00:45, goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>>
>> Don't understand what that means...
>
> Really? Same thing happened to me yesterday. I was typing a message and
> didn't notice the prompt turn up - two-fingered typist looking at the
> keyboard instead of the screen - and so "typed it into the stinkin'
> prompt!"
>
Dude. I feel your pain. I might have said a bad word. (This is not an
> On 23/11/11 00:45, goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>> Very frustrating. Some of this letter had to be retyped as I typed
>>> it into the stinkin' prompt!
>>
>> Don't understand what that means...
>
> Really? Same thing happened to me yesterday. I was typing a message and
> didn't notice the prompt turn up - two-fingered typist looking at the
> keyboard instead of the screen - and so "typed it into the stinkin'
> prompt!"
>
admission that I swear.) :'(
Cy Burnot
Nov 23, 2011, 9:06:08 PM11/23/11
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Greywolf has written on 11/21/2011 2:56 PM:
This happens a lot with eternal-september.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Nov 23, 2011, 9:26:25 PM11/23/11
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see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird for
News. (I don't use Windows either. <g>)
Cy Burnot
Nov 23, 2011, 9:36:39 PM11/23/11
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
> Cy Burnot wrote:
<snip>
>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>
>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>
> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do not
> see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird for
> News. (I don't use Windows either. <g>)
This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message supportive?
Have a happy Thanksgiving should you be one to celebrate.
> Cy Burnot wrote:
<snip>
>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>
>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>
> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do not
> see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird for
> News. (I don't use Windows either. <g>)
Have a happy Thanksgiving should you be one to celebrate.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Nov 23, 2011, 11:28:12 PM11/23/11
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Cy Burnot wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>
>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>
>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>> for News. (I don't use Windows either. <g>)
>
> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
> supportive?
You seem to want to blame Eternal-September for the problem. I stated
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>
>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>
>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>> for News. (I don't use Windows either. <g>)
>
> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
> supportive?
that I've never had those kinds of problems. How is that not supportive?
The OP's problem is one of: the newsreader, the OS, the firewall, the
internet connection, the news server. Since I don't have problems with
the news server, it must be one of the others, Process of elimination.
> Have a happy Thanksgiving should you be one to celebrate.
John H Meyers
Nov 23, 2011, 11:53:11 PM11/23/11
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On 11/22/2011 2:35 PM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
> I am having this same issue with news.eternal-september.org. All
> my other news server work fine. I keep getting asked over and over.
> Sometimes it will take for an hour or and I can use eternal-september.
> but then back to wanting my credentials.
In TB, be sure to check-mark "Always request authentication"
> my other news server work fine. I keep getting asked over and over.
> Sometimes it will take for an hour or and I can use eternal-september.
> but then back to wanting my credentials.
for news.eternal-september.org
(and for any server for which a password should always be required),
because E-S accepts connections with or without logging in;
however, one is limited to only a few E-S internal groups
when one does not log in.
In the E-S internal newsgroup
"eternal-september.where.are.all.the.newsgroups"
there should be found posted a permanent article
explaining how to configure many clients
to make sure that the client always logs in.
Here it is again on the E-S web site:
<http://eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=faq#Login-No-Auth>
P.S. It is formally suggested that a deliberately invalid
email address _end_ with ".invalid"
rather than with "invalid.com" (unless that happens to be
your real address at the actually registered domain name "invalid.com")
--
Todd and Margo Chester
Nov 23, 2011, 11:59:21 PM11/23/11
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Thank you for the tips!
-T
John H Meyers
Nov 24, 2011, 12:16:42 AM11/24/11
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On 11/23/2011 10:59 PM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
> Changed to @invalid.invalid and click off always request authentication
Click *ON* "always request authentication" for Eternal-September,
> Changed to @invalid.invalid and click off always request authentication
unless you want to be restricted to only their internal groups
(that is, to groups about E-S itself).
Even if you've previously subscribed to "normal" groups at E-S,
the E-S server will either refuse actions or demand a password
to access those groups if you have not logged into the E-S server
with a username & password.
--
Ron Hunter
Nov 24, 2011, 3:19:54 AM11/24/11
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misconfigured router in the path.
Eric Valette
Nov 24, 2011, 3:48:28 AM11/24/11
to Graham P Davis
On 11/23/2011 12:24 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> Now I reinstalled TB 7.0.1 and the problem is gone - so for me the
>>> problem is caused by TB 8.
>>>
>>>
>> No, it remembers, but since it still isn't able to get accepted by the
>> server, it just retries the error alert, over and over.
>
> If it's affecting TB8 and not TB7, then it's a recurrence of an older
> fault. I've had this problem on and off for years, certainly as far back
> as TB3.
I confirm this: I never had thsi problem before. 8.0 Does not work.
>>> Now I reinstalled TB 7.0.1 and the problem is gone - so for me the
>>> problem is caused by TB 8.
>>>
>>>
>> No, it remembers, but since it still isn't able to get accepted by the
>> server, it just retries the error alert, over and over.
>
> If it's affecting TB8 and not TB7, then it's a recurrence of an older
> fault. I've had this problem on and off for years, certainly as far back
> as TB3.
-- eric
Torsten Villnow
Nov 24, 2011, 4:51:06 AM11/24/11
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Am 24.11.2011 05:28, schrieb Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
> Cy Burnot wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>>
>>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>>
>>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>>> for News. (I don't use Windows either.<g>)
>>
>> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
>> supportive?
>
> You seem to want to blame Eternal-September for the problem. I stated
> that I've never had those kinds of problems. How is that not supportive?
I have the same problem with another news server - news.individual.de
> Cy Burnot wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>>
>>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>>
>>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>>> for News. (I don't use Windows either.<g>)
>>
>> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
>> supportive?
>
> You seem to want to blame Eternal-September for the problem. I stated
> that I've never had those kinds of problems. How is that not supportive?
(see my post below). These problems had never occurred with TB 1 to 7,
they only recently started with TB 8 and are gone again now after having
reinstalling TB 7. Therefore I also have to "blame" TB 8 for causing
this problem. So your post is IMHO supportive.
--
Torsten Villnow
Graham P Davis
Nov 24, 2011, 5:43:14 AM11/24/11
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that it was a problem as far back as TB2. Of course, that doesn't mean
that it hasn't been fixed and unfixed several times along the way.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930
Ron Hunter
Nov 24, 2011, 7:16:08 AM11/24/11
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on other servers, without this kind of problem.
Ron Hunter
Nov 24, 2011, 7:19:37 AM11/24/11
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particular site. Periodically, the same symptom appears with my ISP's
email, and it comes and goes. Usually their (Charter's) help site
reports they are having 'authentication' issues, and it clears up after
a while. The TB issue is that rather than supplying the exact error
code received, it just issues a generic 'can't log on' error, as if it
were the ID and/or password. More information, rather than less, would
be helpful for ANY error.
Torsten Villnow
Nov 24, 2011, 9:45:31 AM11/24/11
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Am 24.11.2011 13:16, schrieb Ron Hunter:
> This no doubt comes as a great shock to those who are using it, daily,
> on other servers, without this kind of problem.
Obviously "something" has been changed with TB 8, which now effects
> This no doubt comes as a great shock to those who are using it, daily,
> on other servers, without this kind of problem.
several users, including me. For the time being I consider this as a bug
which should be looked at by the developers.
--
Torsten Villnow
David E. Ross
Nov 24, 2011, 10:56:17 AM11/24/11
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As I stated elsewhere in this thread, the problem is within TBird. It
occurs when there is a problem logging-on to the NNTP (newsgroup)
server. If the logon fails, TBird deletes the logon user ID and
password. See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930>.
Of course, the problem is indeed triggered by a problem in the NNTP
server. I had the problem repeatedly when the Giganews server (the
public part, not the news.mozilla.org part) would fail to authenticate
my logon. However, such a failure should not cause TBird to delete a
user ID and password.
By the way, please put a blank space at the end of your -- before your
name. The signature separator is "dash-dash-space", not merely
"dash-dash". This is per RFC 3676.
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.
Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive
bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation.
© 1997 by David E. Ross
David E. Ross
Nov 24, 2011, 10:57:22 AM11/24/11
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WLS
Nov 24, 2011, 11:11:23 AM11/24/11
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On 11/24/2011 10:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/24/11 12:48 AM, Eric Valette wrote:
>> On 11/23/2011 12:24 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>
>>>>> Now I reinstalled TB 7.0.1 and the problem is gone - so for me the
>>>>> problem is caused by TB 8.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, it remembers, but since it still isn't able to get accepted by the
>>>> server, it just retries the error alert, over and over.
>>>
>>> If it's affecting TB8 and not TB7, then it's a recurrence of an older
>>> fault. I've had this problem on and off for years, certainly as far back
>>> as TB3.
>>
>>
>> I confirm this: I never had thsi problem before. 8.0 Does not work.
>>
>> -- eric
>>
>>
>
> I've had this problem repeatedly since TBird 3.1.7.
>
I've never had this problem, with my Mozilla or Giganews accounts.
> On 11/24/11 12:48 AM, Eric Valette wrote:
>> On 11/23/2011 12:24 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>
>>>>> Now I reinstalled TB 7.0.1 and the problem is gone - so for me the
>>>>> problem is caused by TB 8.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, it remembers, but since it still isn't able to get accepted by the
>>>> server, it just retries the error alert, over and over.
>>>
>>> If it's affecting TB8 and not TB7, then it's a recurrence of an older
>>> fault. I've had this problem on and off for years, certainly as far back
>>> as TB3.
>>
>>
>> I confirm this: I never had thsi problem before. 8.0 Does not work.
>>
>> -- eric
>>
>>
>
> I've had this problem repeatedly since TBird 3.1.7.
>
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Graham P Davis
Nov 25, 2011, 4:43:11 AM11/25/11
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On 24/11/11 16:11, WLS wrote:
> On 11/24/2011 10:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 11/24/11 12:48 AM, Eric Valette wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2011 12:24 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Now I reinstalled TB 7.0.1 and the problem is gone - so for me the
>>>>>> problem is caused by TB 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, it remembers, but since it still isn't able to get accepted by the
>>>>> server, it just retries the error alert, over and over.
>>>>
>>>> If it's affecting TB8 and not TB7, then it's a recurrence of an older
>>>> fault. I've had this problem on and off for years, certainly as far back
>>>> as TB3.
>>>
>>>
>>> I confirm this: I never had thsi problem before. 8.0 Does not work.
>>>
>>> -- eric
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've had this problem repeatedly since TBird 3.1.7.
>>
>
>
> I've never had this problem, with my Mozilla or Giganews accounts.
>
>
If you don't need a user-name and password to access these accounts
> On 11/24/2011 10:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 11/24/11 12:48 AM, Eric Valette wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2011 12:24 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Now I reinstalled TB 7.0.1 and the problem is gone - so for me the
>>>>>> problem is caused by TB 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, it remembers, but since it still isn't able to get accepted by the
>>>>> server, it just retries the error alert, over and over.
>>>>
>>>> If it's affecting TB8 and not TB7, then it's a recurrence of an older
>>>> fault. I've had this problem on and off for years, certainly as far back
>>>> as TB3.
>>>
>>>
>>> I confirm this: I never had thsi problem before. 8.0 Does not work.
>>>
>>> -- eric
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've had this problem repeatedly since TBird 3.1.7.
>>
>
>
> I've never had this problem, with my Mozilla or Giganews accounts.
>
>
then, of course, you won't have a problem.
If you have to access servers that require user-name and password, as
far as I've seen so far, you won't have a problem with Pan or Claws. The
problem is with TB and dates back to at least TB2, where it seems it was
cured, if only temporarily.
Graham P Davis
Nov 25, 2011, 4:50:50 AM11/25/11
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began being looked at in the last millennium. It's still there. Don't
get your hopes up too high that anything will be done. It's apparently
more important to add whizzy new features every few months than to
actually get the base system working.
WLS
Nov 25, 2011, 8:34:51 AM11/25/11
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mentioned Mozilla.
--
Daily - openSUSE 11.4 - KDE 4.7.3 - 1.8GHz CPU - 2GB RAM
David E. Ross
Nov 25, 2011, 1:17:53 PM11/25/11
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On 11/25/11 1:50 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On 24/11/11 14:45, Torsten Villnow wrote:
>> Am 24.11.2011 13:16, schrieb Ron Hunter:
>>> This no doubt comes as a great shock to those who are using it, daily,
>>> on other servers, without this kind of problem.
>>
>> Obviously "something" has been changed with TB 8, which now effects
>> several users, including me. For the time being I consider this as a bug
>> which should be looked at by the developers.
>>
>
> They've been "looking at it" for years. Another bug that I've voted for
> began being looked at in the last millennium. It's still there. Don't
> get your hopes up too high that anything will be done. It's apparently
> more important to add whizzy new features every few months than to
> actually get the base system working.
>
Unfortunately, this is characteristic of an open-source application
> On 24/11/11 14:45, Torsten Villnow wrote:
>> Am 24.11.2011 13:16, schrieb Ron Hunter:
>>> This no doubt comes as a great shock to those who are using it, daily,
>>> on other servers, without this kind of problem.
>>
>> Obviously "something" has been changed with TB 8, which now effects
>> several users, including me. For the time being I consider this as a bug
>> which should be looked at by the developers.
>>
>
> They've been "looking at it" for years. Another bug that I've voted for
> began being looked at in the last millennium. It's still there. Don't
> get your hopes up too high that anything will be done. It's apparently
> more important to add whizzy new features every few months than to
> actually get the base system working.
>
developed primarily by unpaid volunteers. Volunteers choose to work on
changes that are interesting (e.g., new features) and not on what is
boring (e.g., fixing errors).
On the other hand, I have seen situations where the volunteer
coordinator was an effective manager, directing the volunteers to
undertake tasks that were important even if they were boring. For over
17 years, I headed a charitable foundation that operated entirely -- and
quite effectively -- through the efforts of unpaid volunteers.
I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
managements.
Volunteers can be directed to do what is needed instead of allowing them
to be free-wheeling hobbyists.
Greywolf
Nov 25, 2011, 1:23:57 PM11/25/11
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looking for approval, and easily trained.
Programmers are like cats, aloof, disdainful of attention, and always
more interested in something else. You can't train them, at best you can
get them to follow the dancing mouse....
That's a joke, guys.
Wolf K.
"All humour, even the most bizarre, depends on a kernel of reality." (A
Nonny Mouse)
John H Meyers
Nov 25, 2011, 5:33:52 PM11/25/11
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On 11/25/2011 3:43 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> If you don't need a user-name and password to access these accounts
> then, of course, you won't have a problem.
>
> If you have to access servers that require user-name and password,
> as far as I've seen so far, you won't have a problem with Pan or Claws.
> The problem is with TB and dates back to at least TB2,
> where it seems it was cured, if only temporarily.
I have been using Eternal-September (with password)
> If you don't need a user-name and password to access these accounts
> then, of course, you won't have a problem.
>
> If you have to access servers that require user-name and password,
> as far as I've seen so far, you won't have a problem with Pan or Claws.
> The problem is with TB and dates back to at least TB2,
> where it seems it was cured, if only temporarily.
to access some groups, ever since E-S was first called "Motzarella,"
and also with many versions of TB -- without any such problem, ever,
after having been advised by E-S to turn on the option
"Always request authentication when connecting to this server."
I also have my passwords saved in TB's password manager,
which itself is protected by one "master password."
I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's password.
Who still has the original problem,
after turning on "Always request authentication"?
--
Al Lawrence
Nov 25, 2011, 5:43:07 PM11/25/11
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John H Meyers said the following on 11/25/2011 5:33 PM:
> Who still has the original problem,
> after turning on "Always request authentication"?
>
I have had that option turned on ever since I started using E-S a year or more again... I have had
> after turning on "Always request authentication"?
>
the original problem several time during the life of the last few TB versions, with the most recent
being about a week or so ago. The problem occurred daily, all day, for about 4-5 days and then
suddenly corrected itself as mysteriously as it started.
John H Meyers
Nov 25, 2011, 5:46:46 PM11/25/11
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On 11/25/2011 12:17 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> Don't get your hopes up too high that anything will be done. It's apparently
>> more important to add whizzy new features every few months than to
>> actually get the base system working.
> Unfortunately, this is characteristic of an open-source application
> developed primarily by unpaid volunteers. Volunteers choose to work on
> changes that are interesting (e.g., new features) and not on what is
> boring (e.g., fixing errors).
>
> On the other hand, I have seen situations where the volunteer
> coordinator was an effective manager, directing the volunteers to
> undertake tasks that were important even if they were boring. For over
> 17 years, I headed a charitable foundation that operated entirely -- and
> quite effectively -- through the efforts of unpaid volunteers.
>
> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
> managements.
>
> Volunteers can be directed to do what is needed instead of allowing them
> to be free-wheeling hobbyists.
I would most emphatically "second" that -- in fact, I already did,
>> Don't get your hopes up too high that anything will be done. It's apparently
>> more important to add whizzy new features every few months than to
>> actually get the base system working.
> Unfortunately, this is characteristic of an open-source application
> developed primarily by unpaid volunteers. Volunteers choose to work on
> changes that are interesting (e.g., new features) and not on what is
> boring (e.g., fixing errors).
>
> On the other hand, I have seen situations where the volunteer
> coordinator was an effective manager, directing the volunteers to
> undertake tasks that were important even if they were boring. For over
> 17 years, I headed a charitable foundation that operated entirely -- and
> quite effectively -- through the efforts of unpaid volunteers.
>
> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
> managements.
>
> Volunteers can be directed to do what is needed instead of allowing them
> to be free-wheeling hobbyists.
in a post a week or two earlier, but less completely.
There are places where one can read communications about ongoing development
and planning -- I think this would convey that there's more "direction"
then merely haphazard individual activities, but still, to me,
without signs of good management by good leaders,
where "good" would include a more user-sensitive framework of values.
--
John H Meyers
Nov 25, 2011, 5:50:51 PM11/25/11
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(and for some people never even come)
must evidently involve some other element.
"There's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip,"
so is there some way to systematically explore
what else could be involved?
--
Al Lawrence
Nov 25, 2011, 6:20:56 PM11/25/11
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John H Meyers said the following on 11/25/2011 5:50 PM:
> On 11/25/2011 4:43 PM, Al Lawrence wrote:
>
> > John H Meyers said the following on 11/25/2011 5:33 PM:
> >> Who still has the original problem,
> >> after turning on "Always request authentication"?
>
> > I have had that option turned on ever since I started using E-S a year or more again...
> > I have had the original problem several time during the life of the last few TB versions,
> > with the most recent being about a week or so ago. The problem occurred daily, all day,
> > for about 4-5 days and then suddenly corrected itself as mysteriously as it started.
>
> Things which "suddenly" come and go
> (and for some people never even come)
> must evidently involve some other element.
Feel free to fill us in when you determine the "element" involved.
>
> > John H Meyers said the following on 11/25/2011 5:33 PM:
> >> Who still has the original problem,
> >> after turning on "Always request authentication"?
>
> > I have had that option turned on ever since I started using E-S a year or more again...
> > I have had the original problem several time during the life of the last few TB versions,
> > with the most recent being about a week or so ago. The problem occurred daily, all day,
> > for about 4-5 days and then suddenly corrected itself as mysteriously as it started.
>
> Things which "suddenly" come and go
> (and for some people never even come)
> must evidently involve some other element.
>
> "There's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip,"
> so is there some way to systematically explore
> what else could be involved?
Have no idea...
> "There's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip,"
> so is there some way to systematically explore
> what else could be involved?
goodwin
Nov 25, 2011, 6:40:44 PM11/25/11
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On 11/25/2011 02:33 PM, John H Meyers wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 3:43 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>
>> If you don't need a user-name and password to access these accounts
>> then, of course, you won't have a problem.
>>
>> If you have to access servers that require user-name and password,
>> as far as I've seen so far, you won't have a problem with Pan or Claws.
>> The problem is with TB and dates back to at least TB2,
>> where it seems it was cured, if only temporarily.
>
> I have been using Eternal-September (with password)
> to access some groups, ever since E-S was first called "Motzarella,"
> and also with many versions of TB -- without any such problem, ever,
> after having been advised by E-S to turn on the option
> "Always request authentication when connecting to this server."
>
As have I.
> On 11/25/2011 3:43 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>
>> If you don't need a user-name and password to access these accounts
>> then, of course, you won't have a problem.
>>
>> If you have to access servers that require user-name and password,
>> as far as I've seen so far, you won't have a problem with Pan or Claws.
>> The problem is with TB and dates back to at least TB2,
>> where it seems it was cured, if only temporarily.
>
> I have been using Eternal-September (with password)
> to access some groups, ever since E-S was first called "Motzarella,"
> and also with many versions of TB -- without any such problem, ever,
> after having been advised by E-S to turn on the option
> "Always request authentication when connecting to this server."
>
>
> I also have my passwords saved in TB's password manager,
> which itself is protected by one "master password."
>
> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's password.
>
> Who still has the original problem,
> after turning on "Always request authentication"?
>
Tbird to reset passwords - if correct, that may be the root of the
problem, dunno. For my ISP, cox, E-S does load slowly at times, and
occasionally timeouts but without ill effects. I agree with you that
the problem here may be outside Tbird's bailiwick...
David E. Ross
Nov 25, 2011, 8:36:57 PM11/25/11
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it dies, the user ID and password are erased by Thunderbird. When it
later is restarted, the newly re-entered user ID and password are
remembered.
Have you not looked at bug #437930?
John H Meyers
Nov 25, 2011, 11:13:40 PM11/25/11
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On 11/25/2011 7:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> Have you not looked at bug #437930?
[a previously saved password seems to be forgotten]
> Have you not looked at bug #437930?
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930
I have read that old bug report, but it never happened to me,
over multiple versions and years of use.
On the other hand, the problem may be this newer bug
(or both together):
[password manager does not actually save the password]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702038
The reports of actual experience (including mine)
seem to vary all over the map,
as to who experiences it, under what conditions
(which TB versions? Is Password Manager always involved?
Does it happen when a more secure mode of Password manager is used?),
whether it happens only (or especially) to Eternal-September,
and whether any other factor might be a contributing cause.
It must be hard to deal with situations
that are so difficult to reliably reproduce or isolate.
At any rate, the "Always authenticate" setting is recommended for E-S.
I see no way to manually add entries directly into the password manager,
which otherwise might be helpful to work around bug 702038
Sorry I have no more ideas to throw into the ring;
hope that the afflicted may get relief,
or may try other clients with which that problem isn't experienced.
--
Graham P Davis
Nov 26, 2011, 7:43:53 AM11/26/11
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Other newsreaders, such as Pan and Claws, cope with these without any
apparent trouble whereas TB gets its knickers in a twist and has done
so for years.
The problem in sorting out this is that we have to wait until the next
server hiccup before knowing whether any fix is working.
Graham P Davis
Nov 26, 2011, 7:52:39 AM11/26/11
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
deletes them when it's in the mood.
>
> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
> password.
I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the session.
I still have to enter server userid and password when TB loses them.
>
> Who still has the original problem,
> after turning on "Always request authentication"?
>
I only switched that on yesterday so can't tell. It may take weeks or
months before there's any server problem that causes TB to panic.
I see I have that set in Claws and didn't have a problem whilst TB was
struggling. However, Pan doesn't seem to have anything that matches
that option and yet also worked OK during TB's troubles.
John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 3:43 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>
> > If you don't need a user-name and password to access these accounts
> > then, of course, you won't have a problem.
> >
> > If you have to access servers that require user-name and password,
> > as far as I've seen so far, you won't have a problem with Pan or
> > Claws. The problem is with TB and dates back to at least TB2,
> > where it seems it was cured, if only temporarily.
>
> I have been using Eternal-September (with password)
> to access some groups, ever since E-S was first called "Motzarella,"
> and also with many versions of TB -- without any such problem, ever,
> after having been advised by E-S to turn on the option
> "Always request authentication when connecting to this server."
>
>
> I also have my passwords saved in TB's password manager,
> which itself is protected by one "master password."
They may be protected from outsiders but not from TB which still
>
> > If you don't need a user-name and password to access these accounts
> > then, of course, you won't have a problem.
> >
> > If you have to access servers that require user-name and password,
> > as far as I've seen so far, you won't have a problem with Pan or
> > Claws. The problem is with TB and dates back to at least TB2,
> > where it seems it was cured, if only temporarily.
>
> I have been using Eternal-September (with password)
> to access some groups, ever since E-S was first called "Motzarella,"
> and also with many versions of TB -- without any such problem, ever,
> after having been advised by E-S to turn on the option
> "Always request authentication when connecting to this server."
>
>
> I also have my passwords saved in TB's password manager,
> which itself is protected by one "master password."
deletes them when it's in the mood.
>
> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
> password.
I still have to enter server userid and password when TB loses them.
>
> Who still has the original problem,
> after turning on "Always request authentication"?
>
months before there's any server problem that causes TB to panic.
I see I have that set in Claws and didn't have a problem whilst TB was
struggling. However, Pan doesn't seem to have anything that matches
that option and yet also worked OK during TB's troubles.
goodwin
Nov 26, 2011, 2:36:26 PM11/26/11
to
On 11/26/2011 04:52 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the session.
> I still have to enter server userid and password when TB loses them.
this is /not/ normal behavior with the master password - something is
> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the session.
> I still have to enter server userid and password when TB loses them.
definitely wrong but i can't help there - I have issues with Firefix and
double master dialogs on _one_ website but to date haven't been able to
find the problem - it has just been an annoyance I live with.
Christian Riechers
Nov 27, 2011, 5:14:15 AM11/27/11
to
On 11/26/2011 01:52 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
> John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>> password.
>
> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the session.
> I still have to enter server userid and password when TB loses them.
>
You can try the StartupMaster extension to fix the multiple password
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
> John H Meyers <jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>> password.
>
> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the session.
> I still have to enter server userid and password when TB loses them.
>
prompt issue.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
--
Christian
Graham P Davis
Nov 27, 2011, 5:30:19 AM11/27/11
to
start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
goodwin
Nov 27, 2011, 10:16:45 AM11/27/11
to
On 11/27/2011 02:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:14:15 +0100
> Christian Riechers<chrie...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 11/26/2011 01:52 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
>>> John H Meyers<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>>>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>>>> password.
>>>
>>> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the
>>> session. I still have to enter server userid and password when TB
>>> loses them.
>>>
>>
>> You can try the StartupMaster extension to fix the multiple password
>> prompt issue.
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
>>
>
> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
> off?
>
Took the words out of my mouth...
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:14:15 +0100
> Christian Riechers<chrie...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 11/26/2011 01:52 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
>>> John H Meyers<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>>>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>>>> password.
>>>
>>> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the
>>> session. I still have to enter server userid and password when TB
>>> loses them.
>>>
>>
>> You can try the StartupMaster extension to fix the multiple password
>> prompt issue.
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
>>
>
> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
> off?
>
David E. Ross
Nov 27, 2011, 10:49:42 AM11/27/11
to
Reporter merely to allow me to install the extensions I really want.
Ron Hunter
Nov 27, 2011, 11:49:15 AM11/27/11
to
On 11/27/2011 9:49 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/27/11 7:16 AM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 11/27/2011 02:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:14:15 +0100
>>> Christian Riechers<chrie...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2011 01:52 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
>>>>> John H Meyers<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>>>>>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>>>>>> password.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the
>>>>> session. I still have to enter server userid and password when TB
>>>>> loses them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can try the StartupMaster extension to fix the multiple password
>>>> prompt issue.
>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>> off?
>>>
>> Took the words out of my mouth...
>
> Yet many in these newsgroups recommend installing Add-on Compatibility
> Reporter merely to allow me to install the extensions I really want.
>
Well, if you want the old, unupdated add-ons to work, then Add-on
> On 11/27/11 7:16 AM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 11/27/2011 02:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:14:15 +0100
>>> Christian Riechers<chrie...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2011 01:52 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
>>>>> John H Meyers<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>>>>>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>>>>>> password.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the
>>>>> session. I still have to enter server userid and password when TB
>>>>> loses them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can try the StartupMaster extension to fix the multiple password
>>>> prompt issue.
>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>> off?
>>>
>> Took the words out of my mouth...
>
> Yet many in these newsgroups recommend installing Add-on Compatibility
> Reporter merely to allow me to install the extensions I really want.
>
Compatibility Reporter is the simplest way to at least be able to try
them. If you don't want them to work, then it's your choice to either
wait until they are updated, however long that takes, or to just get
along without them. Unupdated add-ons are NOT a TB bug.
TB does NOT lose the passwords, but the server may REJECT the password.
Unless you give the wrong response to the dialog box, then the
password will NOT be lost.
In short, not a TB bug, but a possible server error, or user error.
Chris Ilias
Nov 27, 2011, 6:55:25 PM11/27/11
to
On 11-11-27 5:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
Consider it a workaround until the bug is fixed. :)
> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
--
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
goodwin
Nov 27, 2011, 7:56:31 PM11/27/11
to
On 11/27/2011 07:49 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/27/11 7:16 AM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 11/27/2011 02:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:14:15 +0100
>>> Christian Riechers<chrie...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2011 01:52 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
>>>>> John H Meyers<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>>>>>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>>>>>> password.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the
>>>>> session. I still have to enter server userid and password when TB
>>>>> loses them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can try the StartupMaster extension to fix the multiple password
>>>> prompt issue.
>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>> off?
>>>
>> Took the words out of my mouth...
>
> Yet many in these newsgroups recommend installing Add-on Compatibility
> Reporter merely to allow me to install the extensions I really want.
>
I don't think that is what it meant for but its need seems silly to me.
> On 11/27/11 7:16 AM, goodwin wrote:
>> On 11/27/2011 02:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:14:15 +0100
>>> Christian Riechers<chrie...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2011 01:52 PM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:33:52 -0600
>>>>> John H Meyers<jhme...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to supply my "master password" once per TB session;
>>>>>> otherwise I have never again been asked for any other server's
>>>>>> password.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to supply my master password twice at the start of the
>>>>> session. I still have to enter server userid and password when TB
>>>>> loses them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can try the StartupMaster extension to fix the multiple password
>>>> prompt issue.
>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>> off?
>>>
>> Took the words out of my mouth...
>
> Yet many in these newsgroups recommend installing Add-on Compatibility
> Reporter merely to allow me to install the extensions I really want.
>
There is an obvious need for it somewhere, though.
Graham P Davis
Nov 28, 2011, 4:41:23 AM11/28/11
to
On 27/11/11 23:55, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 11-11-27 5:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
>
> Consider it a workaround until the bug is fixed. :)
>
In other words, I'll need it forever. ;-)
> On 11-11-27 5:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
>
> Consider it a workaround until the bug is fixed. :)
>
Albert Sims
Nov 29, 2011, 12:20:27 AM11/29/11
to
On 11/28/2011 3:41 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On 27/11/11 23:55, Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 11-11-27 5:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
>>
>> Consider it a workaround until the bug is fixed. :)
>>
>
> In other words, I'll need it forever. ;-)
>
Went to the "fix" add-on link earlier today, server errors listed,
> On 27/11/11 23:55, Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 11-11-27 5:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
>>
>> Consider it a workaround until the bug is fixed. :)
>>
>
> In other words, I'll need it forever. ;-)
>
couldn't download. STILL, using Microsoft Live Mail and Opera, don't get
those errors. Definitely a Thunderbird bug, or Eternal-September hates
Thunderbird, since no issues on the other platforms!
--
Albert Sims
West Monroe,Louisiana
David E. Ross
Nov 29, 2011, 1:28:25 AM11/29/11
to
now. Currently, it's Thunderbird 8.0. I have not had any problems.
I did have problems with Thunderbird forgetting my login to Giganews.
However, my ISP discontinued providing Giganews as part of its services
when they discovered I was the only customer using NNTP.
John H Meyers
Nov 29, 2011, 8:10:01 AM11/29/11
to
On 11/27/2011 4:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
> I needed to type the password in three times to
> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit off?
Why so? If there are a few thousand unfixed TB bugs,
> I needed to type the password in three times to
> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit off?
this would give an excellent opportunity for people currently unemployed
to do something productive and satisfying, as well as keep users busy
having to update a few thousand plugins for each new TB release,
and to get the original bugs back for every plugin that hasn't been updated,
which could keep the whole cycle of re-employment of the unemployed
going around all over again :)
78 years ago:
<http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/> [full text, with audio excerpt]
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm3Bntsp2ck> [longer newsreel]
30 years ago to present day, on one side of the aisle:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast>
<http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/06/tax-cuts-republicans-starve-the-beast-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html>
I think a "rewind" is needed, back to when values existed.
Maybe a "rewind" and also start developing "Netscape messenger" again
from scratch (Microsoft is said to take three tries to get things right,
perhaps Mozilla Messaging can reduce that to only two :)
--
Eric Valette
Dec 2, 2011, 5:41:30 AM12/2/11
to David E. Ross
On 11/29/2011 07:28 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/28/11 9:20 PM, Albert Sims wrote:
>> On 11/28/2011 3:41 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On 27/11/11 23:55, Chris Ilias wrote:
>>>> On 11-11-27 5:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>>>> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
>>>>
>>>> Consider it a workaround until the bug is fixed. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> In other words, I'll need it forever. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Went to the "fix" add-on link earlier today, server errors listed,
>> couldn't download. STILL, using Microsoft Live Mail and Opera, don't get
>> those errors. Definitely a Thunderbird bug, or Eternal-September hates
>> Thunderbird, since no issues on the other platforms!
>>
>
> I've been using Thunderbird with Eternal September for several months
> now. Currently, it's Thunderbird 8.0. I have not had any problems.
>
> I did have problems with Thunderbird forgetting my login to Giganews.
> However, my ISP discontinued providing Giganews as part of its services
> when they discovered I was the only customer using NNTP.
>
I have problem with thunderbird 8.0 on all news account I have on all
> On 11/28/11 9:20 PM, Albert Sims wrote:
>> On 11/28/2011 3:41 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>> On 27/11/11 23:55, Chris Ilias wrote:
>>>> On 11-11-27 5:30 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that one. I needed to type the password in three times to
>>>>> start TB this morning. Would I be unfair in suggesting that having to
>>>>> install a plug-in to fix what appears to me to be a TB bug seems a bit
>>>>> off? Anyway, the plug-in works, that's the main thing.
>>>>
>>>> Consider it a workaround until the bug is fixed. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> In other words, I'll need it forever. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Went to the "fix" add-on link earlier today, server errors listed,
>> couldn't download. STILL, using Microsoft Live Mail and Opera, don't get
>> those errors. Definitely a Thunderbird bug, or Eternal-September hates
>> Thunderbird, since no issues on the other platforms!
>>
>
> I've been using Thunderbird with Eternal September for several months
> now. Currently, it's Thunderbird 8.0. I have not had any problems.
>
> I did have problems with Thunderbird forgetting my login to Giganews.
> However, my ISP discontinued providing Giganews as part of its services
> when they discovered I was the only customer using NNTP.
>
machine I have and all location I tried from. ISP did not change anything.
--eric
goodwin
Dec 2, 2011, 9:35:13 AM12/2/11
to
The Real Bev
Dec 5, 2011, 10:21:19 PM12/5/11
to
On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
> managements.
Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
> managements.
ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
--
Cheers, Bev
-----------------------------------------------------------
Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy
little ones against the stones.
The Real Bev
Dec 5, 2011, 10:27:31 PM12/5/11
to
without my help. I went to the E-S site, but no mention of trouble.
That's why I have several different NNTP accounts :-(
David E. Ross
Dec 5, 2011, 11:41:46 PM12/5/11
to
On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>> managements.
>
> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>> managements.
>
> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
The Real Bev
Dec 6, 2011, 2:02:01 AM12/6/11
to
On 11/28/2011 10:28 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> I've been using Thunderbird with Eternal September for several months
> now. Currently, it's Thunderbird 8.0. I have not had any problems.
>
> I did have problems with Thunderbird forgetting my login to Giganews.
> However, my ISP discontinued providing Giganews as part of its services
> when they discovered I was the only customer using NNTP.
That's tragic. Usenet is just SOOOO much better than any of the
> I've been using Thunderbird with Eternal September for several months
> now. Currently, it's Thunderbird 8.0. I have not had any problems.
>
> I did have problems with Thunderbird forgetting my login to Giganews.
> However, my ISP discontinued providing Giganews as part of its services
> when they discovered I was the only customer using NNTP.
web-based "forums" or facebook. And don't get me started about G+,
which I use only because it gets me virtually limitless picasa web albums.
I've never been able to persuade anybody to try usenet, even though I
know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'd find it useful, if not
enjoyable.
--
Cheers, Bev
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
He's your god. They're your rules. *You* burn in hell!
The Real Bev
Dec 6, 2011, 2:15:08 AM12/6/11
to
On 12/05/2011 08:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>> managements.
>>
>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>
> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
My son used to live in Newbury Park and his kids were born at Los Robles
> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>> managements.
>>
>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>
> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
Hospital. He may have even gone to your garden.
>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>
> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
goodwin
Dec 6, 2011, 10:11:35 AM12/6/11
to
On 12/05/2011 11:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>
>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>
> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
:)
>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>
>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>
> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
>
> Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
>
goodwin
Dec 6, 2011, 10:28:01 AM12/6/11
to
On 12/05/2011 11:02 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 10:28 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I've been using Thunderbird with Eternal September for several months
>> now. Currently, it's Thunderbird 8.0. I have not had any problems.
>>
>> I did have problems with Thunderbird forgetting my login to Giganews.
>> However, my ISP discontinued providing Giganews as part of its services
>> when they discovered I was the only customer using NNTP.
>
> That's tragic. Usenet is just SOOOO much better than any of the
> web-based "forums" or facebook. And don't get me started about G+, which
> I use only because it gets me virtually limitless picasa web albums.
>
> I've never been able to persuade anybody to try usenet, even though I
> know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'd find it useful, if not
> enjoyable.
>
E-S, over past 3-4 years has always had connection problems for me,
> On 11/28/2011 10:28 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I've been using Thunderbird with Eternal September for several months
>> now. Currently, it's Thunderbird 8.0. I have not had any problems.
>>
>> I did have problems with Thunderbird forgetting my login to Giganews.
>> However, my ISP discontinued providing Giganews as part of its services
>> when they discovered I was the only customer using NNTP.
>
> That's tragic. Usenet is just SOOOO much better than any of the
> web-based "forums" or facebook. And don't get me started about G+, which
> I use only because it gets me virtually limitless picasa web albums.
>
> I've never been able to persuade anybody to try usenet, even though I
> know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'd find it useful, if not
> enjoyable.
>
quite random, usually fixes self in a minute but sometimes can go on for
5-10 minutes. But I have never had a sign-in/password request.
Looking at my saved passwords, I see that for E-S I have 1 line for name
and a second line for password, /neither/ of which shows (I expect
normal behavior to show username, but not password, on single line.)
David E. Ross
Dec 6, 2011, 10:48:43 AM12/6/11
to
On 12/5/11 11:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 12/05/2011 08:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>>> managements.
>>>
>>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>>
>> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
>
> My son used to live in Newbury Park and his kids were born at Los Robles
> Hospital. He may have even gone to your garden.
>
>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>
>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>
> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
>
> Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
>
I don't think bug #432020 has been implemented. It's not marked as
> On 12/05/2011 08:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>>> managements.
>>>
>>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>>
>> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
>
> My son used to live in Newbury Park and his kids were born at Los Robles
> Hospital. He may have even gone to your garden.
>
>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>
>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>
> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
>
> Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
>
closed, and I don't see the popup for my master password indicating what
domain (browser) or account (mail-news) is requesting a password.
goodwin
Dec 6, 2011, 11:08:58 AM12/6/11
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On 12/06/2011 07:48 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 12/5/11 11:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 12/05/2011 08:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>>>> managements.
>>>>
>>>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>>>
>>> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
>>
>> My son used to live in Newbury Park and his kids were born at Los Robles
>> Hospital. He may have even gone to your garden.
>>
>>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>>
>> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
>> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
>>
>> Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
>>
>
> I don't think bug #432020 has been implemented.
I believe Bev was making a play on words here - the bug is working very
> On 12/5/11 11:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 12/05/2011 08:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>>>> managements.
>>>>
>>>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>>>
>>> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
>>
>> My son used to live in Newbury Park and his kids were born at Los Robles
>> Hospital. He may have even gone to your garden.
>>
>>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>>
>> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
>> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
>>
>> Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
>>
>
> I don't think bug #432020 has been implemented.
well...
Cy Burnot
Dec 6, 2011, 7:28:32 PM12/6/11
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Graham P Davis has written on 11/21/2011 2:08 PM:
<snip>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
Truly irritating!
<snip>
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>
Truly irritating!
Cy Burnot
Dec 6, 2011, 7:29:58 PM12/6/11
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 11:28 PM:
> Cy Burnot wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>>
>>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>>
>>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>>> for News. (I don't use Windows either. <g>)
>>
>> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
>> supportive?
>
> You seem to want to blame Eternal-September for the problem. I stated
> that I've never had those kinds of problems.
I believe it's a combination of E-S's server and the way TB handles "no
connection" messages.
> Cy Burnot wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>>
>>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>>
>>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>>> for News. (I don't use Windows either. <g>)
>>
>> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
>> supportive?
>
> You seem to want to blame Eternal-September for the problem. I stated
> that I've never had those kinds of problems.
I believe it's a combination of E-S's server and the way TB handles "no
connection" messages.
Cy Burnot
Dec 6, 2011, 7:45:02 PM12/6/11
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John H Meyers has written on 11/23/2011 11:53 PM:
> On 11/22/2011 2:35 PM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
>
>> I am having this same issue with news.eternal-september.org. All
>> my other news server work fine. I keep getting asked over and over.
>> Sometimes it will take for an hour or and I can use eternal-september.
>> but then back to wanting my credentials.
>
> In TB, be sure to check-mark "Always request authentication"
> for news.eternal-september.org
> (and for any server for which a password should always be required),
> because E-S accepts connections with or without logging in;
> however, one is limited to only a few E-S internal groups
> when one does not log in.
>
> In the E-S internal newsgroup
> "eternal-september.where.are.all.the.newsgroups"
> there should be found posted a permanent article
> explaining how to configure many clients
> to make sure that the client always logs in.
How is it that when I telnet to E-S nntp, I am not asked for a username
or password?
> On 11/22/2011 2:35 PM, Todd and Margo Chester wrote:
>
>> I am having this same issue with news.eternal-september.org. All
>> my other news server work fine. I keep getting asked over and over.
>> Sometimes it will take for an hour or and I can use eternal-september.
>> but then back to wanting my credentials.
>
> In TB, be sure to check-mark "Always request authentication"
> for news.eternal-september.org
> (and for any server for which a password should always be required),
> because E-S accepts connections with or without logging in;
> however, one is limited to only a few E-S internal groups
> when one does not log in.
>
> In the E-S internal newsgroup
> "eternal-september.where.are.all.the.newsgroups"
> there should be found posted a permanent article
> explaining how to configure many clients
> to make sure that the client always logs in.
How is it that when I telnet to E-S nntp, I am not asked for a username
or password?
David E. Ross
Dec 6, 2011, 10:45:09 PM12/6/11
to
432020 at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
Graham P Davis
Dec 7, 2011, 2:31:15 AM12/7/11
to
On 06/12/11 07:15, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 12/05/2011 08:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>>> managements.
>>>
>>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>>
>> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
>
> My son used to live in Newbury Park and his kids were born at Los Robles
> Hospital. He may have even gone to your garden.
>
>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>
>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>
> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
>
> Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
>
I'm reminded of a comment heard many years ago. "This software is as
> On 12/05/2011 08:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> On 12/5/11 7:21 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 11/25/2011 10:17 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am currently an unpaid docent at a public garden. I conduct tours
>>>> only in the manner that the management wants tours to be conducted. I
>>>> know unpaid docents from other venues -- art museums, a presidential
>>>> library, historical homes -- who also take direction from their
>>>> managements.
>>>
>>> Any chance it's the Huntington? I'm a member.
>>
>> No, it's at Gardens of the World in Thousand Oaks.
>
> My son used to live in Newbury Park and his kids were born at Los Robles
> Hospital. He may have even gone to your garden.
>
>>> ObTB: Who do I have to bribe in order to get the name of the NNTP host
>>> to be given when I get asked for a username/password?
>>
>> Perhaps you need implementation of bug #432020. See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
>
> That bug is already implemented very nicely, thank you, I was hoping for
> some sort of disimplementation :-( Anyway, I added my vote.
>
> Bugzilla is really user-hostile, isn't it?
>
user-friendly as a cornered rat!"
Cy Burnot
Dec 7, 2011, 2:42:33 AM12/7/11
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David E. Ross has written on 12/6/2011 10:45 PM:
> On 12/6/11 4:28 PM, Cy Burnot wrote:
>> Graham P Davis has written on 11/21/2011 2:08 PM:
>> <snip>
>>> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
>>> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>>>
>>
>> Truly irritating!
>
> It's not a newsgroup requiring a login; it's the news server. See Bug
> 432020 at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
OK. THAT is irritating!
>> Graham P Davis has written on 11/21/2011 2:08 PM:
>> <snip>
>>> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
>>> the newsgroup requiring the details.
>>>
>>
>> Truly irritating!
>
> It's not a newsgroup requiring a login; it's the news server. See Bug
> 432020 at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432020>.
Graham P Davis
Dec 7, 2011, 8:00:34 AM12/7/11
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requests for passwords and names in no particular order. Needless to
say, other newsreaders are having no problems with this server
whatsoever. Why can't Mozilla fix this bug instead of messing about with
new versions of TB every few weeks? The problem has been hanging around
for years but, as with many other bugs, nothing gets done.
Dave Warren
Dec 7, 2011, 1:09:15 PM12/7/11
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In message <Dd2dnbi8dqSWKkPT...@mozilla.org> someone
claiming to be Cy Burnot <cy.b...@invalid.com> typed:
telnet in, pick the eternal-september.where.are.all.the.newsgroups group
and read the article(s)
In short, it's designed behaviour, friendlier than requiring
authentication.
claiming to be Cy Burnot <cy.b...@invalid.com> typed:
and read the article(s)
In short, it's designed behaviour, friendlier than requiring
authentication.
robertmiles
Dec 8, 2011, 5:53:16 AM12/8/11
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I've been having similar problems for months. I'm set up to use three different newsgroups servers, and TB often asks me for the username and password for at least one of those servers, without ever mention which server.
Roy Smith
Dec 8, 2011, 6:18:55 AM12/8/11
to
because there is no indication on which news server it happens with and
so you wind up having to guess which one it is. You could solve that by
using the same username and password on all news server accounts, but
that isn't always possible and it's not a very good idea as well.
--
Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Postbox 3.0.2
Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:18:45 AM
Graham P Davis
Dec 8, 2011, 1:20:12 PM12/8/11
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On 24/11/11 15:56, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/24/11 1:51 AM, Torsten Villnow wrote:
>>
>> I have the same problem with another news server - news.individual.de
>> (see my post below). These problems had never occurred with TB 1 to 7,
>> they only recently started with TB 8 and are gone again now after having
>> reinstalling TB 7. Therefore I also have to "blame" TB 8 for causing
>> this problem. So your post is IMHO supportive.
>>
>> --
>> Torsten Villnow
>
> I first saw this problem with TBird 3.1.7. It is NOT new with TBird 8.0.
>
> As I stated elsewhere in this thread, the problem is within TBird. It
> occurs when there is a problem logging-on to the NNTP (newsgroup)
> server. If the logon fails, TBird deletes the logon user ID and
> password. See<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930>.
>
> Of course, the problem is indeed triggered by a problem in the NNTP
> server. I had the problem repeatedly when the Giganews server (the
> public part, not the news.mozilla.org part) would fail to authenticate
> my logon. However, such a failure should not cause TBird to delete a
> user ID and password.
>
TB still refusing to connect to news.individual.net whilst other
newsreaders are having no trouble. However, I agree with you that there
must be some problem with the server that is triggering this. The main
problem, though, is that TB has such flaky system that it can't cope as
well as other readers.
I've had troubles with the newsreader since it was in Netscape 1.2N and
it hasn't changed much since - apart from x-posting checks being broken
last century. At least it means that when groups get irretrievably
corrupted I can use the same tactics that worked fifteen years ago.
Unfortunately, I don't know anything works with this expletive-deleted bug.
> On 11/24/11 1:51 AM, Torsten Villnow wrote:
>> Am 24.11.2011 05:28, schrieb Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>>>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>>>>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>>>>> for News. (I don't use Windows either.<g>)
>>>>
>>>> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
>>>> supportive?
>>>
>>> You seem to want to blame Eternal-September for the problem. I stated
>>> that I've never had those kinds of problems. How is that not supportive?
>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty has written on 11/23/2011 9:26 PM:
>>>>> Cy Burnot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not the news group, it's the news server, actually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This happens a lot with eternal-september.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd suspect something else as I have been using E-S for years and do
>>>>> not see any username/password problem. But then I don't use Thunderbird
>>>>> for News. (I don't use Windows either.<g>)
>>>>
>>>> This is a Thunderbird support group. Just how is your message
>>>> supportive?
>>>
>>> You seem to want to blame Eternal-September for the problem. I stated
>>
>> I have the same problem with another news server - news.individual.de
>> (see my post below). These problems had never occurred with TB 1 to 7,
>> they only recently started with TB 8 and are gone again now after having
>> reinstalling TB 7. Therefore I also have to "blame" TB 8 for causing
>> this problem. So your post is IMHO supportive.
>>
>> --
>> Torsten Villnow
>
> I first saw this problem with TBird 3.1.7. It is NOT new with TBird 8.0.
>
> As I stated elsewhere in this thread, the problem is within TBird. It
> occurs when there is a problem logging-on to the NNTP (newsgroup)
> server. If the logon fails, TBird deletes the logon user ID and
> password. See<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930>.
>
> Of course, the problem is indeed triggered by a problem in the NNTP
> server. I had the problem repeatedly when the Giganews server (the
> public part, not the news.mozilla.org part) would fail to authenticate
> my logon. However, such a failure should not cause TBird to delete a
> user ID and password.
>
TB still refusing to connect to news.individual.net whilst other
newsreaders are having no trouble. However, I agree with you that there
must be some problem with the server that is triggering this. The main
problem, though, is that TB has such flaky system that it can't cope as
well as other readers.
I've had troubles with the newsreader since it was in Netscape 1.2N and
it hasn't changed much since - apart from x-posting checks being broken
last century. At least it means that when groups get irretrievably
corrupted I can use the same tactics that worked fifteen years ago.
Unfortunately, I don't know anything works with this expletive-deleted bug.
The Real Bev
Dec 11, 2011, 12:35:47 PM12/11/11
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--
Cheers, Bev
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Friends help you move. *Real* friends help you move bodies."
--A. Walker
LFS
Dec 20, 2011, 4:30:54 PM12/20/11
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On Nov 21, 1:24 pm, goodwin <conny...@cox.net> wrote:
> You will be in the offending group already so I guess Tbird thinks you
> know that.
That will go as the stupid answer so far. I watch a number (>1) of
froups, TB is instructed to look for new stuff. So I have no clue
which of n>1 froups is triggering the whine. The good news is I am
only using one swerver so it does not really matter.
> You will be in the offending group already so I guess Tbird thinks you
> know that.
That will go as the stupid answer so far. I watch a number (>1) of
froups, TB is instructed to look for new stuff. So I have no clue
which of n>1 froups is triggering the whine. The good news is I am
only using one swerver so it does not really matter.
LFS
Dec 20, 2011, 4:50:08 PM12/20/11
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On Nov 23, 5:14 am, Graham P Davis <news...@scarlet-jade.com> wrote:
> I've had a repeat performance again this morning and have checked my
> passwords and, like you, I have no user-name or password for my problem
> server, news.independent.net. Once again, I'm having no trouble accessing
> the same server via Pan.
It turns out that it is not a swerver problem, it is a Thunderbird 8
problem.
If I was being paid to fix it I'd start looking for another buffer
overflow problem.
My service provider (News.Internet.Net --- the best for my needs)
said:
That's interesting - thanks for telling us! The only solutions we
knew
of so far were going back to TB7 or installing this add-on (with
mixed
results):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
I can add a work around that flows from dealing with another bit of
Thunderbird insanity (actually goes clear back to Netscape and maybe
Mosaic) that I have a ro8tine to deal with. The workaround involves
going int the .rc file and removing from each line everything
following the first dash to (and including) the last one.
(The idiocy is that Thunderbird treats a message-body downloaded and
deleted by a filter as not downloaded so the .rc gets cluttered with
gaps. If a line gets too long, the password thing starts. I usually
prune the damned thing to improve performance a bit by not downloading
and discarding the same stuff every ten minutes, Hey, with some5thing
this bad, every little bit helps!)
PLEASE DON"T "FIX" IT by not deleting the message--I don't want to see
the filth I delete. Count it as downloaded makes sense. But then, so
would regex support.
> I've had a repeat performance again this morning and have checked my
> passwords and, like you, I have no user-name or password for my problem
> server, news.independent.net. Once again, I'm having no trouble accessing
> the same server via Pan.
It turns out that it is not a swerver problem, it is a Thunderbird 8
problem.
If I was being paid to fix it I'd start looking for another buffer
overflow problem.
My service provider (News.Internet.Net --- the best for my needs)
said:
That's interesting - thanks for telling us! The only solutions we
knew
of so far were going back to TB7 or installing this add-on (with
mixed
results):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/startupmaster/
I can add a work around that flows from dealing with another bit of
Thunderbird insanity (actually goes clear back to Netscape and maybe
Mosaic) that I have a ro8tine to deal with. The workaround involves
going int the .rc file and removing from each line everything
following the first dash to (and including) the last one.
(The idiocy is that Thunderbird treats a message-body downloaded and
deleted by a filter as not downloaded so the .rc gets cluttered with
gaps. If a line gets too long, the password thing starts. I usually
prune the damned thing to improve performance a bit by not downloading
and discarding the same stuff every ten minutes, Hey, with some5thing
this bad, every little bit helps!)
PLEASE DON"T "FIX" IT by not deleting the message--I don't want to see
the filth I delete. Count it as downloaded makes sense. But then, so
would regex support.
Mark Banner
Jan 18, 2012, 11:14:38 AM1/18/12
to
Hi,
I've just been pointed to this thread, so I just wanted to do a couple
of follow-ups.
On 21/11/2011 19:08, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
There appears to be two items primarily referenced in this thread.
Firstly, not successfully logging into news servers, made worse in
Thunderbird 8. This was a regression from some improvements that were
done to the handling of news URIs. One bug was referenced:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702038
This bug has been marked a duplicate of this one:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695309
which is now fixed for Thunderbird 10, and is in the latest beta. If
you're seeing issues and you wish to try out the beta, you can find it here:
http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird/channel/
TB 10 will be released on 31st January.
The older bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930
which is about newsgroups forgetting saved passwords in some instances,
hasn't been resolved yet. There is some other work going on (see below)
for improving password dialogs for newsgroups which may help this (I've
not looked at the patch in detail yet), or will hopefully lead into this
being resolved.
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
That appears to be this bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218998
which will be fixed by this bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201750
This will probably happen in time for TB 12, if not certainly TB 13.
Mark.
I've just been pointed to this thread, so I just wanted to do a couple
of follow-ups.
On 21/11/2011 19:08, Graham P Davis wrote:
> Why do I keep getting asked for username and password for a newsgroup? I
> know it needs that information but why the deuce does TB keep asking for
> the info over and over and over again? I keep ticking the box for
> Password Manager to remember the details but it seems to be suffering
> from amnesia.
There appears to be two items primarily referenced in this thread.
Firstly, not successfully logging into news servers, made worse in
Thunderbird 8. This was a regression from some improvements that were
done to the handling of news URIs. One bug was referenced:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702038
This bug has been marked a duplicate of this one:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695309
which is now fixed for Thunderbird 10, and is in the latest beta. If
you're seeing issues and you wish to try out the beta, you can find it here:
http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird/channel/
TB 10 will be released on 31st January.
The older bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437930
which is about newsgroups forgetting saved passwords in some instances,
hasn't been resolved yet. There is some other work going on (see below)
for improving password dialogs for newsgroups which may help this (I've
not looked at the patch in detail yet), or will hopefully lead into this
being resolved.
> One other stupid thing about this is that you never get told the name of
> the newsgroup requiring the details.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218998
which will be fixed by this bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201750
This will probably happen in time for TB 12, if not certainly TB 13.
Mark.
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