TB 3.1 Freezes - Solution, sorta
Old Codger
It no longer freezes or slows down like molasses on a cold day. Of
course, now I have anti-virus in a compromised state...
Better solution?
Old Codger
Ron Hunter
check the mail data when it comes in the input port, and filter out any
viruses at that point. After a message gets to TB, it is stored as
DATA, and the file can't be executed because it is NOT a file, but
simply data in a large file. The only way a virus in an old message
could cause harm would be for you to read the message, then save the
data to a file, and then execute that file. Just having a message in
the mbox file that has a virus 'payload' is not harmful, or dangerous.
It is rather like your neighbor having a gun that is locked in a safe.
It is no threat unless someone opens the safe (mbox file), removes the
gun (saves the attachment), and loads the gun (runs the attachment).
Only then does it become a hazard.
I DON'T recommend this for everyone, but I have been running without ANY
AV program for several years with no problems at all. A good firewall,
and good operating practices serves for those with enough knowledge, and
experience.
Clunker
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> Old Codger
Ron - what is your opinion of Microsoft Security Essentials
I have been using it here and seems to be good - hopefully my trust in
Microsoft is not misplaced?
Ron K.
I'm another Ron. From the 'Windows Secrets' newsletter I read that Windows
Essentials with Win7 is a good product and it is competitive quality wise
with the name brand products.
Where I differ from Ron Hunters opinion is, I want AV because I can not
trust some third party applications to not launch IE or use the IE browser
engine. I have seen cases of an app launching IE and my default FF browser
to view the products update announcements.
More to the point about mail. I run AVG and configure it and Tb so messages
are scanned in a proxy sandbox before the message is passed to Tb. The why
relates to Junk filtering. I see more risk of Junk containing a payload
than mail that comes from people I tend to trust. My way reduces the risk
that a weekly AV scan will mess with the integrity of my mailbox.
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Ron K.
Who is General Failure, and why is he searching my HDD?
Kernel Restore reported Major Error used BSOD to msg the enemy!
Ron Hunter
In installed it, but couldn't get it to stop freezing programs for 5-10
seconds, so I am only using the Win7 firewall, and Windows Defender.
Tarkus
Find the true problem. I have two fairly old laptops, and MSE doesn't
slow down TB on either one, noticeably.
Ron Hunter
and it isn't old. For that matter, neither is Vista.
Old Codger
Follow-up:
I uninstalled MSE and installed AVG - no freezes at all. Apparently TB
3.1 and MSE on WinXP on my notebook don't play well together. Ditto on
my Dell desktop so will install AVG on it too. Sure don't miss the
slowdowns and freezes. Still using Windows Firewall.
Old Codger
Wayne Mery
Your experience is consistent with what has been known for many months
and is documented at
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Testing:Antivirus_Related_Performance_Issues#Problem_Antivirus_Packages
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http://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Testing
http://www.spreadthunderbird.com/aff/165/
Terry R.
MSE was around prior to Win7, and is also available for XP & Vista.
Terry R.
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Tarkus
On laptop came with XP, when it was new; the other came with Vista, when
it was new. Both now run Windows 7 Home Professional. And both are
faster with W7 than they ever were. And the only hardware updates I've
done to either laptop was to upgrade the XP machine from 500 megs to 1.5
gigs.
Ron Hunter
> On 7/23/2010 6:01 PM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
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>> Tarkus wrote:
>>> On 7/23/2010 6:03 AM, Old Codger wrote:
>>>> I turned off MSE|Settings|Monitor file and program activity on your
>>>> computer
>>>>
>>>> It no longer freezes or slows down like molasses on a cold day. Of
>>>> course, now I have anti-virus in a compromised state...
>>>>
>>>> Better solution?
>>> Find the true problem. I have two fairly old laptops, and MSE doesn't
>>> slow down TB on either one, noticeably.
>> What do you call 'fairly old'? Win7 is the first thing with MSE, AFAIK,
>> and it isn't old. For that matter, neither is Vista.
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> MSE was around prior to Win7, and is also available for XP & Vista.
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> Terry R.
see any mention of MSE until I got Win7 computers to replace older
(WinXP) desktops.
Terry R.
I've upgraded dozens of laptops to Windows 7 from XP, but not a single
one has been "faster" after the change. Many had RAM increased from 1
gig to 2.5 gig and still is not as fast as XP was prior. As far as your
Vista laptop, I can see Win7 being faster, since Vista was a pig from
the get go, but never will Win7 outperform XP on similar hardware.
kes
Thanks old codger, disabling the file monitoring option of MSE works for
me (Win 7 Pro). Yes, the MSE icon has now turned into an alarming red
(was green), but I can live with that.
Lynn McGuire
I just added the TB 3.1 profile directory to the MSE excluded list and I
am no longer getting the TB freeze-up.
But, I am no longer protected against viruses in the TB profile directory.
Surely there is a better compromise than this.
Thanks,
Lynn
Ron Hunter
Do you have to exclude a whole directory? If so, then have it exclude
only the Mail directory. There is little danger of a virus in the mbox
file affecting your computer in an way.
Lynn McGuire
>> am no longer getting the TB freeze-up.
>>
>> But, I am no longer protected against viruses in the TB profile directory.
> Do you have to exclude a whole directory? If so, then have it exclude only the Mail directory. There is little danger of a virus in
> the mbox file affecting your computer in an way.
OK, I moved the excluded directory to the Mail directory. So far, so good.
Thanks,
Lynn
Arivald
If somebody here can edit this page, Avast! (free home version) works
properly with Thunderbird.
Avast! can scan every mail as transport proxy.
On the other hand, MS Forefront cause similar problems like MSE.
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Arivald
Wayne Mery
> I've also found that *both* the Windows Search 4.0 and its indexing
> services could cause TB 3.X.X freezes on older machines. I've had to
> disable these services by switching their startup from 'Automatic' to
> 'Manual' on certain machines. Otherwise, TB performance seems to be
> impacted noticeably.
define older please.
do you have any references? or is this purely from personal experience?
Tarkus
> I've also found that *both* the Windows Search 4.0 and its indexing
> services could cause TB 3.X.X freezes on older machines. I've had to
> disable these services by switching their startup from 'Automatic' to
> 'Manual' on certain machines. Otherwise, TB performance seems to be
> impacted noticeably.
That could be why I've not noticed the TB/MSE problems others have
reported. I don't use indexing in either TB or W7.
Lynn McGuire
TB 3.1.1 is now "hesitating" a little bit but the additional coverage
is good.
Thanks,
Lynn
Ron Hunter
help a lot. Even if it does scan, then a 5mB file is much easier to
scan than a 3GB file....
Lynn McGuire
>>> good.
>>
>> TB 3.1.1 is now "hesitating" a little bit but the additional coverage
>> is good.
>>
> easier to scan than a 3GB file....
Not gonna happen. But I am excluding the Mail directory so it really
does not matter what the size of the mbox files is.
Thanks,
Lynn
Ron Hunter
Well, within reason. There is a point at which you will notice a sudden
slowdown of TB response should your inbox grow too large. Seems to be
related to ram size, and processor speed. But as long as it is working
ok, feel free to let the grow.
Arivald
For me there is size problem with index files (*.msf) for newsgroups.
mozilla.support.thunderbird.msf have 43 MB and it take TB few seconds to
load newsgroup when i click on it in tree. Note there are no bodies of
messages, msf contain only headers.
My comp spec is C2D 6300 (first one, 1.86 Ghz), 3GB ram, hdd with 60MB/s
transfer.
I think such tasks should be executed in background thread... There is
too much synchronous code in TB, and every problem (big file, Antyvir,
IMAP timeout, SQLite queries, etc.) cause GUI to freeze or slow down.
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Arivald
Arivald
> W dniu 2010-07-28 18:13, Lynn McGuire pisze:
>>>>> OK, I moved the excluded directory to the Mail directory. So far, so
>>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> TB 3.1.1 is now "hesitating" a little bit but the additional coverage
>>>> is good.
>>>>
>>> Keeping your active inbox files, and sent files, to a minimum will
>>> also help a lot. Even if it does scan, then a 5mB file is much
>>> easier to scan than a 3GB file....
>>
>> Not gonna happen. But I am excluding the Mail directory so it really
>> does not matter what the size of the mbox files is.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lynn
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> For me there is size problem with index files (*.msf) for newsgroups.
> mozilla.support.thunderbird.msf have 43 MB and it take TB few seconds to
> load newsgroup when i click on it in tree. Note there are no bodies of
> messages, msf contain only headers.
Update: i just change policy from default to "save messages from last 15
days only", and this mozilla.support.thunderbird.msf shrink to 1.5 MB.
Now it work fast.
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Arivald
Wayne Mery
yup. that's the solution for now.
several of the bugs are listed in this query
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type1-0-0=anywordssubstr&keywords=perf&keywords_type=allwords&short_desc=news&field0-0-0=short_desc&resolution=---&classification=Client%20Software&classification=Components&query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&type0-0-0=nowords&value0-0-0=count%20counts&field1-0-0=short_desc&product=MailNews%20Core&product=Thunderbird
Ron Hunter
seem to get .msf file corruption about once a week, with the firefox
group. I have to delete the .msf file to correct the problem. SURE
wish they would squash this bug!
Wayne Mery
clearly. but note my response was in context of the last prior 2 posts.
> I seem to get .msf file corruption about once a week, with the firefox
> group. I have to delete the .msf file to correct the problem. SURE wish
> they would squash this bug!
bug#?
Lynn McGuire
>> does not matter what the size of the mbox files is.
>
> Seems to be related to ram size, and processor speed. But as long as it is working ok, feel free to let the grow.
I am running Windows 7 x64 with 8 GB of ram.
Thanks,
Lynn