"Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that javascript is enabled."
Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being boycotted ?
I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
DoctorBill
-- More thinking and less doing before the doing gets done wrong !
> "Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the > best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you > know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that > javascript is enabled."
> Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being boycotted ?
> I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
> I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
> Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
> DoctorBill
Please give us some of the URIs where this is happening.
> "Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the
> best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you
> know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that
> javascript is enabled."
> Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being
> boycotted ?
> I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
> I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
> Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
Downloading the latest Java update will not stop those messages.
You get the message, but can you still browse the sites? If so, then
just ignore it. If not, provide a couple links for testing purposes,
even though they may work in SeaMonkey 2.12, because it is an updated
browser.
-- Fedora 17 (64-bit)
Gnome or KDE Desktop
Thunderbird Beta
Free Gottfrid Svartholm
DoctorBill wrote:
> "Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the
> best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you
> know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that
> javascript is enabled."
> Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being
> boycotted ?
> I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
> I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
> Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
> DoctorBill
First off if you are getting those messages in the browser you are using to post this message it is SeaMonkey 2.7 and your browser is not up to date, the current is 2.12. And as somebody has pointed out you misunderstand the difference between java and javascript. You don't download javascript it's part of the browser and gets updated when you update the browser (which it doesn't look like you've been doing). If you post a url where you get that message we can tell you if we get it in 2.12. With many web sites adding html5 content, if you don't update SeaMonkey to get the latest html5 support strange things may happen on some pages.
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 9/5/12 7:37 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>> "Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the
>> best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you
>> know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that
>> javascript is enabled."
>> Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being boycotted ?
>> I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
>> I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
>> Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
>> DoctorBill
> Please give us some of the URIs where this is happening.
My Yahoo Mail problem ended when I allowed it to download it's upgrade.
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 9/5/12 7:37 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>> "Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the
>>> best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you
>>> know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that
>>> javascript is enabled."
>>> Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being boycotted ?
>>> I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
>>> I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
>>> Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
>>> DoctorBill
>> Please give us some of the URIs where this is happening.
> My Yahoo Mail problem ended when I allowed it to download it's upgrade.
> I clicked on my e-bay and it took me back to the login, which when > redone took me to e-bay.
> Confusing as Hell !
> DoctorBill
This is quite different from your original problem. Originally, you
were being told that your browser was the wrong one. Here, there is no
complaint about which browser you are using. Instead, you are not
accepting cookies.
Try changing your cookie preferences:
1. On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit > Preference].
2. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select
[Privacy & Security > Cookies].
3. Under "Cookie Acceptance Policy", select the radio button for "Allow
cookies for the originating website only".
4. Select the OK button.
If this does not help, do this again with the radio button for "Allow
all cookies" in step #3.
In the future, when you are requested to provide a URI, try to give an
actual URI that does not require your user ID and password. An image is
okay to show what happens, but it does not provide a URI that can be
selected with a mouse-click.
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 9/6/12 5:44 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 9/5/12 7:37 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>>> "Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the
>>>> best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you
>>>> know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that
>>>> javascript is enabled."
>>>> Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being boycotted ?
>>>> I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
>>>> I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
>>>> Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
>>>> DoctorBill
>>> Please give us some of the URIs where this is happening.
>> My Yahoo Mail problem ended when I allowed it to download it's upgrade.
>> I clicked on my e-bay and it took me back to the login, which when
>> redone took me to e-bay.
>> Confusing as Hell !
>> DoctorBill
> This is quite different from your original problem. Originally, you
> were being told that your browser was the wrong one. Here, there is no
> complaint about which browser you are using. Instead, you are not
> accepting cookies.
> Try changing your cookie preferences:
> 1. On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit> Preference].
> 2. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select
> [Privacy& Security> Cookies].
> 3. Under "Cookie Acceptance Policy", select the radio button for "Allow
> cookies for the originating website only".
> 4. Select the OK button.
> If this does not help, do this again with the radio button for "Allow
> all cookies" in step #3.
> In the future, when you are requested to provide a URI, try to give an
> actual URI that does not require your user ID and password. An image is
> okay to show what happens, but it does not provide a URI that can be
> selected with a mouse-click.
I know what you mean, but the screen I showed you only comes up AFTER I entered my password ! So I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I have a lot of anti-spam, hacker, identity theft, you name it running on my machine because of all the crap I got about a year ago with a BAD TROJAN that took a lot of time and effort to remove.
So now I have running, "NoScript", "AdBlockPlus", "MalewareBytes",
"AVG Antivirus", and "SpyBot's watcher" and I hope those are not causing this.
Then SeaMonkey has protection...what it allows or not.
This has kept me free of Viruses, Maleware, Scripts, Trojans, etc., but it won't allow me to view some web sites !
The screen stays white and a balloon pops up and says denied due to dangerous "stuff" on that web site.
I DID find I couldn't open two E-Mail Accounts on Yahoo Mail - only ONE.
By BEATING ON SEAMONKEY's Cookies Control...i.e. I didn't know WHAT I was doing, I got Yahoo Mail to accept both accounts - by ALLOWING COOKIES from Yahoo ! SM's setting was allowing NO cookies ! Default ?!
Some web sites come thru partially and won't allow input or show input areas. If I trust them, I go to NoScripts and click "Temporarily Allow ALL This Page" and then it works.
So it is a confusing combination of all that "Protection" and which protection to remove before I can get into the web site properly.
This Internet Surfing wearing Electronic Protection is getting difficult !
DoctorBill
- -
More thinking and less doing before the doing gets done wrong !
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 9/6/12 5:44 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 9/5/12 7:37 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>>> "Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported. To get the
>>>> best experience possible, please download a compatible browser. If you
>>>> know your browser is up to date, you should check to ensure that
>>>> javascript is enabled."
>>>> Javascript IS enabled.....Why this message ? Is SeaMonkey being boycotted ?
>>>> I fear uploading the "LATEST VERSION OF JAVASCRIPT" since the last time
>>>> I clicked on THAT link, my system got all messed up.
>>>> Will downloading the latest version of Javascript stop those messages ?
>>>> DoctorBill
>>> Please give us some of the URIs where this is happening.
>> My Yahoo Mail problem ended when I allowed it to download it's upgrade.
>> I clicked on my e-bay and it took me back to the login, which when
>> redone took me to e-bay.
>> Confusing as Hell !
>> DoctorBill
> This is quite different from your original problem. Originally, you
> were being told that your browser was the wrong one. Here, there is no
> complaint about which browser you are using. Instead, you are not
> accepting cookies.
> Try changing your cookie preferences:
> 1. On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit> Preference].
> 2. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select
> [Privacy& Security> Cookies].
> 3. Under "Cookie Acceptance Policy", select the radio button for "Allow
> cookies for the originating website only".
> 4. Select the OK button.
> If this does not help, do this again with the radio button for "Allow
> all cookies" in step #3.
> In the future, when you are requested to provide a URI, try to give an
> actual URI that does not require your user ID and password. An image is
> okay to show what happens, but it does not provide a URI that can be
> selected with a mouse-click.
My SM is allowing ALL Cookies !
I still get that screen !
If I re-do the Username and Password, it gets thru to e-bay...ODD.
'NoScript' (on my machine - is set to allow all of e-bay, also !).
E-Bay does not "Like" SeaMonkey....SM is being Boycotted !
DoctorBill
-- We now live in an Idiocracy, run by morons who are governed by fools.
Do you /really/ think that a gentleman who has difficulty with
separating the concepts of Java, JavaScript and Cookies would
be able to cope with an operating system that is basically targetted
at nerds and geeks rather than normal, everyday, users ? Recent
statistics show that the Linux platform has been adopted by less
than 2% of all computer users, whilst Windows 7 is used by almost
40%. No matter /what/ your personal feelings about the respective
merits of Linux and Windows, the statistics alone demonstrate that
Linux is still very much a niche.
On Wed 05 Sep 2012 01:42:23pm EDT, /Jim Taylor/ said in
mozilla.support.seamonkey:
<SNIP>
> First off if you are getting those messages in the browser
> you are using to post this message it is SeaMonkey 2.7 and
> your browser is not up to date, the current is 2.12. And
> as somebody has pointed out you misunderstand the
> difference between java and javascript. You don't download
> javascript it's part of the browser and gets updated when
> you update the browser (which it doesn't look like you've
> been doing). If you post a url where you get that message
> we can tell you if we get it in 2.12. With many web sites
> adding html5 content, if you don't update SeaMonkey to get
> the latest html5 support strange things may happen on some
> pages.
While you msntion it, can anyone tell me why SeaMonkey versions don't make use of two digit numbering (after the 2) such as 2.07 instead of 2.7, so the progression to 2.12 doesn't look a little strange?
-- _T o m_
________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________
> First off if you are getting those messages in the browser you
> are using to post this message it is SeaMonkey 2.7 and your
> browser is not up to date, the current is 2.12. And as somebody
> has pointed out you misunderstand the difference between java and
> javascript. You don't download javascript it's part of the
> browser and gets updated when you update the browser (which it
> doesn't look like you've been doing). If you post a url where
> you get that message we can tell you if we get it in 2.12. With
> many web sites adding html5 content, if you don't update
> SeaMonkey to get the latest html5 support strange things may
> happen on some pages.
While you mention it, can anyone tell me why SeaMonkey versions
don't make use of two digit numbering (after the 2) such as 2.07
instead of 2.7, so the progression to 2.12 doesn't look a little
strange?
>> E-Bay does not "Like" SeaMonkey....SM is being Boycotted !
> I use E-bay virtually every day, and I use no browser other than Seamonkey.
> Philip Taylor
I generally set my cookies to "ask me every time" as far as when they expire.
edit > preferences > privacy & security > cookies > "ask for every cookie"
This means that every time a site tries to set a cookie, I get a prompt asking if I want to "allow, allow for session, or block". There is also a check box that lets you use the same response for all cookies from the site. For first party cookies (from the site you are on), I usually check "allow for session". This allows the cookies, but deletes them as soon as you leave the page. I generally block all cookies that are not from the site I am on. This may seem like a pain, but SM remembers you selections and you get things working the way you want pretty quickly. I let a few sites, like Yahoo where I have some web sites, set permanent cookies, but I have generally found that session cookies work just fine.
I also use no-script and I find that it helps allot to set it to temporarily allow scripts from the top level site. There are some sites where I need to allow a bit more, but top level temp seems to work well for me.
Most of your security software seems to be targeted at adware, and a trojan is a not the same thing. I use Comodo IS Pro (along with super antispyware pro) and find my system very secure. CIS automatically runs any program it doesn't recognize in a sandbox, and I also have it set so programs are by default not allowed to connect to the internet so I get a prompt if anything tries to. Having your operating system and programs installed in their own partition (not with your data) and up to date system images are essential. If I think I got something nasty I just restore my OS to the last image and I am back to a clean system in 5 minutes. Having the OS and data on different partitions means I don't loose any data if I have to restore. Since running a full battery of malware scans can take me a full day, I much prefer this approach.
>> E-Bay does not "Like" SeaMonkey....SM is being Boycotted !
> I use E-bay virtually every day, and I use no browser other than Seamonkey.
> Philip Taylor
I generally set my cookies to "ask me every time" as far as when they expire.
edit > preferences > privacy & security > cookies > "ask for every cookie"
This means that every time a site tries to set a cookie, I get a prompt asking if I want to "allow, allow for session, or block". There is also a check box that lets you use the same response for all cookies from the site. For first party cookies (from the site you are on), I usually check "allow for session". This allows the cookies, but deletes them as soon as you leave the page. I generally block all cookies that are not from the site I am on. This may seem like a pain, but SM remembers you selections and you get things working the way you want pretty quickly. I let a few sites, like Yahoo where I have some web sites, set permanent cookies, but I have generally found that session cookies work just fine.
I also use no-script and I find that it helps allot to set it to temporarily allow scripts from the top level site. There are some sites where I need to allow a bit more, but top level temp seems to work well for me.
Most of your security software seems to be targeted at adware, and a trojan is a not the same thing. I use Comodo IS Pro (along with super antispyware pro) and find my system very secure. CIS automatically runs any program it doesn't recognize in a sandbox, and I also have it set so programs are by default not allowed to connect to the internet so I get a prompt if anything tries to. Having your operating system and programs installed in their own partition (not with your data) and up to date system images are essential. If I think I got something nasty I just restore my OS to the last image and I am back to a clean system in 5 minutes. Having the OS and data on different partitions means I don't loose any data if I have to restore. Since running a full battery of malware scans can take me a full day, I much prefer this approach.
Philip TAYLOR <P.Tay...@Rhul.Ac.Uk> wrote:
> WaltS wrote:
> > Install Linux.
> Do you /really/ think that a gentleman who has difficulty with
> separating the concepts of Java, JavaScript and Cookies would
> be able to cope with an operating system that is basically targetted
> at nerds and geeks rather than normal, everyday, users ?
There are plenty of GNU/Linux distros that are targeted at normal,
everyday users. Ubuntu is probably the most popular of them.
> Recent statistics show that the Linux platform has been adopted by
> less than 2% of all computer users, whilst Windows 7 is used by almost
> 40%. No matter /what/ your personal feelings about the respective
> merits of Linux and Windows, the statistics alone demonstrate that
> Linux is still very much a niche.
Apple also has a significantly smaller market share than Microsoft on
the desktop, but that's not generally taken as an indication that normal
users can't cope with Apple's OS.
Follow-up not supported by mailing list gateway;
discussion continued inline.
> There are plenty of GNU/Linux distros that are targeted at normal,
> everyday users. Ubuntu is probably the most popular of them.
Yes, /targeted at/; but the take-up is pitifully small.
You cannot successully target an O/S such as Linux at
"the average man (or woman) in the street"; it is, I am
sure, a wonderful O/S for those who feel an affinity
with it; but Microsoft, for all their failings, have been
far far more successful at identifying what the average
man (or woman) in the street needs and wants. And for
a person who has no clear mental model of the differences
between Java, Javascript and cookies, Linux would surely
present an enormous number of impenetrable obstacles.
> Apple also has a significantly smaller market share than Microsoft on
> the desktop, but that's not generally taken as an indication that normal
> users can't cope with Apple's OS.
OS/X has five times the take-up of Linux; statistics
cannot lie ...
Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>[snip]
>> Apple also has a significantly smaller market share than
>> Microsoft on
>> the desktop, but that's not generally taken as an
>> indication that normal
>> users can't cope with Apple's OS.
> OS/X has five times the take-up of Linux; statistics
> cannot lie ...
?????
_How to Lie with Statistics_ , Darrell Huff, (1954)
'After all, facts are facts, and although we may quote one to another with a chuckle the words of the Wise Statesman, "Lies - damn lies - and statistics," still there are some easy figures the simplest must understand, and the astutest cannot wriggle out of.’ (Leonard H. Courtney, New York in 1895)
Richard Owlett wrote:
> Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> Apple also has a significantly smaller market share than
>>> Microsoft on
>>> the desktop, but that's not generally taken as an
>>> indication that normal
>>> users can't cope with Apple's OS.
>> OS/X has five times the take-up of Linux; statistics
>> cannot lie ...
> ?????
> _How to Lie with Statistics_ , Darrell Huff, (1954)
> 'After all, facts are facts, and although we may quote one to another
> with a chuckle the words of the Wise Statesman, "Lies - damn lies - and
> statistics," still there are some easy figures the simplest must
> understand, and the astutest cannot wriggle out of.’ (Leonard H.
> Courtney, New York in 1895)
..."only believe people who like big butts...they cannot lie".
>>> E-Bay does not "Like" SeaMonkey....SM is being Boycotted !
>> I use E-bay virtually every day, and I use no browser other than
>> Seamonkey.
>> Philip Taylor
> I generally set my cookies to "ask me every time" as far as when they
> expire.
> edit > preferences > privacy & security > cookies > "ask for every cookie"
> This means that every time a site tries to set a cookie, I get a prompt
> asking if I want to "allow, allow for session, or block". There is also
> a check box that lets you use the same response for all cookies from the
> site. For first party cookies (from the site you are on), I usually
> check "allow for session". This allows the cookies, but deletes them as
> soon as you leave the page. I generally block all cookies that are not
> from the site I am on. This may seem like a pain, but SM remembers you
> selections and you get things working the way you want pretty quickly. I
> let a few sites, like Yahoo where I have some web sites, set permanent
> cookies, but I have generally found that session cookies work just fine.
> I also use no-script and I find that it helps allot to set it to
> temporarily allow scripts from the top level site. There are some sites
> where I need to allow a bit more, but top level temp seems to work well
> for me.
> Most of your security software seems to be targeted at adware, and a
> trojan is a not the same thing. I use Comodo IS Pro (along with super
> antispyware pro) and find my system very secure. CIS automatically runs
> any program it doesn't recognize in a sandbox, and I also have it set so
> programs are by default not allowed to connect to the internet so I get
> a prompt if anything tries to. Having your operating system and programs
> installed in their own partition (not with your data) and up to date
> system images are essential. If I think I got something nasty I just
> restore my OS to the last image and I am back to a clean system in 5
> minutes. Having the OS and data on different partitions means I don't
> loose any data if I have to restore. Since running a full battery of
> malware scans can take me a full day, I much prefer this approach.
>> First off if you are getting those messages in the browser you
>> are using to post this message it is SeaMonkey 2.7 and your
>> browser is not up to date, the current is 2.12. And as somebody
>> has pointed out you misunderstand the difference between java and
>> javascript. You don't download javascript it's part of the
>> browser and gets updated when you update the browser (which it
>> doesn't look like you've been doing). If you post a url where
>> you get that message we can tell you if we get it in 2.12. With
>> many web sites adding html5 content, if you don't update
>> SeaMonkey to get the latest html5 support strange things may
>> happen on some pages.
> While you mention it, can anyone tell me why SeaMonkey versions
> don't make use of two digit numbering (after the 2) such as 2.07
> instead of 2.7, so the progression to 2.12 doesn't look a little
> strange?
Damned right !
DoctorBill
-- When all is said and done,
more will be said than done.
DoctorBill wrote:
> LMH wrote:
>> Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>>> DoctorBill wrote:
>>>> E-Bay does not "Like" SeaMonkey....SM is being Boycotted !
>>> I use E-bay virtually every day, and I use no browser other than
>>> Seamonkey.
>>> Philip Taylor
>> I generally set my cookies to "ask me every time" as far as when they
>> expire.
>> edit > preferences > privacy & security > cookies > "ask for every
>> cookie"
>> This means that every time a site tries to set a cookie, I get a prompt
>> asking if I want to "allow, allow for session, or block". There is also
>> a check box that lets you use the same response for all cookies from the
>> site. For first party cookies (from the site you are on), I usually
>> check "allow for session". This allows the cookies, but deletes them as
>> soon as you leave the page. I generally block all cookies that are not
>> from the site I am on. This may seem like a pain, but SM remembers you
>> selections and you get things working the way you want pretty quickly. I
>> let a few sites, like Yahoo where I have some web sites, set permanent
>> cookies, but I have generally found that session cookies work just fine.
>> I also use no-script and I find that it helps allot to set it to
>> temporarily allow scripts from the top level site. There are some sites
>> where I need to allow a bit more, but top level temp seems to work well
>> for me.
>> Most of your security software seems to be targeted at adware, and a
>> trojan is a not the same thing. I use Comodo IS Pro (along with super
>> antispyware pro) and find my system very secure. CIS automatically runs
>> any program it doesn't recognize in a sandbox, and I also have it set so
>> programs are by default not allowed to connect to the internet so I get
>> a prompt if anything tries to. Having your operating system and programs
>> installed in their own partition (not with your data) and up to date
>> system images are essential. If I think I got something nasty I just
>> restore my OS to the last image and I am back to a clean system in 5
>> minutes. Having the OS and data on different partitions means I don't
>> loose any data if I have to restore. Since running a full battery of
>> malware scans can take me a full day, I much prefer this approach.
>> LMH
> Ok....Wow !
> I think I understand 33% of that.
> Let me study what you've said.
> DoctorBill
As far as seamonkey goes, you can probably improve your experience quite an still keep good privacy/security by modifying your cookie and noscript settings.
Please feel free to ask questions. It's hard to know how detailed to get with a post since you generally don't know how familiar the user is with the software. I try to split the difference and may not have been clear. I will be as detailed as you need to get your setup configured properly, just let me know.
As far as overall privacy/security and system backup goes, a solid setup is also not too hard to get to and well worth the effort. If there are a substantial number of questions in those areas, we may be asked to move that discussion off of the seamonkey board, since it is not directly seamonkey related. In that event, there are some good forums that you can start a thread in.
