I think somebody authoritatively said this was a known
problem and would be fixed in some future release. May
I ask again....is my understanding correct, and when to we
think that release might be?
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There are a several entries in Bugzilla that fit your description:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102519
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245421
What you could do is lower the number of days and find out when the
problem stops. Once you found that limit, you could add your findings to
one of those bugzilla entries. It would probably help to get it fixed or
at least provide an indication of what the maximum is that you can set to
avoid this problem.
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It's the same problem (and more aspects of it are discussed). Just some
people have their history in the sidebar, others, including you and me,
just type in the location bar where you type URLs and let the browser
autocomplete, but both are based on the same history file.
Anyway, the problem is known and I presume it will get fixed (I think
this answers your original question), the only thing you can do now is
lower the number of days till the problem stops. That's not really a big
research project, just halve the value to 180, if the problem happens
again, halve it again to 90, etc... If you find a setting were the problem
stops just post that information back here, I am sure that more people
experience it and would value such feedback.
Good Luck! If you find something let us know.
Been happening to me for about two years. Appears quite random.
Someone mentioned that it may be related to FF failing for some other
reason.
I got tired of it and built two scripts (batches).
First saves history with a sequential suffix. Second is called when the
first script sees that it has reached a preset limit - I use 50. Second
then clears out old stuff.
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Lou
Do something good for the world!
These folks have a system that uses the time your machine would be
idling showing a screen saver to do something good.
NO spam or malware. http://www.grid.org/projects/hpf/
That's great, I am curious what you will find.
I am going to raise mine to see if the problem will start occurring for
me too (I had 14 and just increased it to 60).
Mine are still there today with 60.
I now have a more serious problem (or else I am doing
something wrong):
I go Tools>>Options>>Privacy>> and there is no *History* tab.
I have General,e-mail scams, Anti-Virus, Attachments, and Advanced.
What did I do to make it vanish?
What do I do to make it reappear?
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singles ads ever printed. It is reported to have been listed in The
Atlanta Journal.
SINGLE BLACK FEMALE seeks male companionship, ethnicity unimportant.
I'm a very good looking girl who LOVES to play. I love long walks in
the woods, riding in your pickup truck, hunting, camping and fishing
trips, cozy winter nights lying by the fire. Candlelight dinners will
have me eating out of your hand. I'll be at the front door when you
get home from work, wearing only what nature gave me. Call (404)
xxx-6420 and ask for Daisy, I'll be waiting . . .
Answer:
Over 15,000 men found themselves talking to the Atlanta Humane Society
about an 8-week-old black Labrador retriever.
Then I did a Virus Scan and the history, 12 URLs long, is now
empty. This is the only time I've seen history vanish so quickly, with
a known action in between.
Tomorrow I will repeat this test to see if it is reproducible.
With my setting at 60, history is still there and my history tab is still
there too, though it hasn't been long enough to draw any conclusion just
yet.
When your history tab was gone, was there anything else missing, or did
you notice anything else that was different?
I still haven't lost my history (set at 60 days).
Didn't you already loose them at 100 once?
You could also try 90 (since you had the problem with 100 before).
OOPS!!!! It is gone!!! Overnight. While set at 50 days.
With it, I notice another peculiarity which might be a symptom
of the same illness. When I click on the newsgroup at the
left, it comes up in *bold* type as it always does when
there are unread messages. But the number of unread messages
this morning was an unrealistic 443 messages, dating back
three days, when I know that I cleared all but this one
thread yesterday.
This is not really all that unusual, because in the past,
I would see it read a large number (say 125) opposite this
newsgroup name, and immediately change to the actual number,
say 25.
All in all, I find many peculiar characteristics of TB, and
I am certainly not going elsewhere. I just think that it's
a case of so many nice improvements being created and put
in place, that maybe it's inevitable that these 'glitches'
get installed at the same time.
I'm going to drop down to 25....on the theory that 120>>50
seemed to extend the staying time, maybe 25 would make it
stay even longer.
I think you are wasting your time. It is some kind of weird bug not
directly related to anything obvious. Mine will go for many months with
no problem and then one day GONE
As I said earlier for a while it was happening so often that I made a
script (batch file) to save the history each time I start FF. It cyles
around automatically after fifty opens. IIRC I have had to recover about
six times.
Lou
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Lou
Please do something good for the world!
These folks have a system that uses the time your machine would be
idling showing a screen saver to do Medical and / or Cancer research.
Replying to myself because IT JUST HAPPENED.
Started FF. It blew up - I have no idea why, but MS WAS trying to do a
security update which did report it could not update. FF failed just as
the MS window popped up. I did not bother sending the report (never
do). Tried to restart FF (click the same icon I always use). Failed
again so I did the usual and re-booted my XP with SP2 and updates.
Reboot went OK. Started FF and when I typed cn into the location bar I
did not get the cnn drop downs I expected. Closed FF. Started it
again. Tried with something different. Same results - NO location
history. Went to my FFSAVS folder and saw the saves files go from over
10meg to a few thousand. Restored the last saved file to history.dat
and all is OK now. I have seen this before. When FF fails you have a
fair chance of losing history.dat - which is where your location
drop-down gets its info.
Interesting, with my history set at 60 on one computer and 28 on the
other, neither has yet lost it's history (but then I changed
those settings recently). So if Lou's theory is true it could just be
luck... Although if it is related to windows, then I guess I won't suffer
this problem as I am using Linux. However I don't feel anything conclusive
can be said until I have had this setting for a longer period of time
without any loss (maybe 2 or 3 months).
It would be nice if we could find a value where this problem ceases
(although Lou has a workaround, most users won't be able to set something
like that up).
I do not think you will find a "value". Just watch very carefully for a
FF crash and then check history right away.
I would guess that FF closes the history.dat when it ends normally but
when the program blows up - for whatever reason - the close is not done.
I could suggest ways to fix the issue (been programming since 1964) but
am not about to get into that any more - RETIRED <vbg>
The reason I suspect there might be a value at which the problem ceases is
that I have not seen this problem happening to me. It's been about 1 year
since I switched to Linux and since then I haven't tried raising the
number of days kept in history either until recently to investigate
this problem (neither have I seen it happen on the rare occasion that I
boot into Windows).
I conclude from that that the problem doesn't happen when history is set
at 14. Unless crashes on Windows are the cause.
So I still think it's worth it for William to try lower values to see if
the problem might disappear, there is after all a chance that it would.
Bill Lurie
Obviously, in hindsight, I should have checked the drop-down after
every operation listed (and I don't think I omitted any from the list).
What I have to do next is add a dozen URLs to the list, reboot, check
that they're there, and then repeat my normal sequence of early
morning startup checks, looking at the dropdown list after each one.
Sadly, being a cynic, I don't expect to be able to repeat the
disappearance that I caused to happen this morning. But maybe I'll
be lucky this time. In a few hours I will have the time to repeat
the sequence...more carefully.....and documenting. Meanwhile, if any
of you would care to try something similar, perhaps we will learn more.
My next step, a bit later, will be to try to repeat the malfunction,
and, if repeatable, narrow down to see what part of that process
vauses it to happen. Anybody else using Norton System Works 2006 ...
please stand up and be counted, and try this test and report.
I appear to have narrowed down the culprit, at least on my Operating
System. I will now try to narrow it down further, and see if I can
find out which of the One Button Checkup tests is causing this
problem.
Either of these two segments will cause it to disappear:
Registry Scan, and Norton Cleanup.
I will now put my History days back to 365, and I'll try to remember
not to run those segments of OBC. If I have the complete cause
pinned down, my list shouldn't disappear again....for 365 days.
Again, corroboration of this would be much appreciated.
Excellent piece of research, unfortunately I cannot corroborate this as I
am running Linux. Hopefully there are other people who can corroborate it.
But imho your current findings are certainly worth adding to Bugzilla.
> Otto de Voogd wrote:
>>
>> Excellent piece of research, unfortunately I cannot corroborate this as I
>> am running Linux. Hopefully there are other people who can corroborate it.
>>
>> But imho your current findings are certainly worth adding to Bugzilla.
>>
> Thanks, Otto. I'm pleased if I can make a useful contribution.
> You're right about Bugzilla, and MOZ/TB/FF should be improved so
> that an external application, like OBC, can not intrude. But I
> found the access to bugzilla far too complicated, and its terminology
> too mysterious, when I tried once before. If some helpful soul wants
> to pick it up and post it there from the info I supplied, I surely
> have no objection!
OK, I will try to add it.
Have you configured Norton Cleanup? According to what I was able to
find on the web, Cleanup can be set to delete your browser history. I
don't use Norton, so I don't know what the defaults are, but you might
check to see what it is "cleaning". It sounds to me, from what you have
described, that Cleanup is deleting the history file.
If it is indeed set to delete the history, then OBC is not "intruding",
it is doing exactly what it is told to do. FF certainly cannot control
third party privacy software that specifically, intentionally deletes
the history file. If you do not want it to delete the history, you must
tell it that.
As to why it is disappearing after running the Registry Scan, I don't
have a clue there. I wasn't able to locate, on my WinXP machine, any
reference to FF history or history.dat in the registry. I'm not a
registry guru, but searching all fields for 'firefox', 'history', or
'history.dat' provided no hits pointing to FF related to history, that I
could find.
If the Registry Scan has a logging feature, it would be interesting to
see what exactly it is doing during its scan, to delete the history.
Only after you have addressed these two issues can you effectively test
the "disappearing list" problem. Of course the easiest way to address
them might be to disable them, if that is an option. As long as these
two utilities are in use, you can't say for sure that your disappearing
list problem lies entirely with FF.
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Alex
I have added it as a comment to this bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102519
I don't think it's possible to protect files against deletion or tampering
by other programs, so imo it's not something that can be fixed in Firefox.
It does however help knowing this is a possible cause when investigating
reported disappearances of history. There may also be other programs that
interfere in similar ways.
Is it possible for you, as a user of NSW to file a complaint with them?
Bill
I have updated the Bugzilla ticket because in effect this may now be a
false alarm. But the good points are that, your problem of disappearing
history may now be solved and we have put our finger on a possible cause
for others to check when they experience similar problems. So let us know
how things are going over the next few days or weeks with your history.
I can report that I still have not lost my history with the higher
settings on both of my systems. One more thing is that a history file may
become very big if you set it at 365, this could affect performance, so
keep that in mind.
BUT (very big but)! I have *never* used Norton. I still loose history
on what appears to be a random basis at VERY irregular intervals.
That is a very big BUT indeed.
Are you running anything else that may be clearing your history?
Some privacy protection software maybe?
Nah. What I did was to make a couple of batch files. Main one does a
backup of the history.dat prior to running FF. Backups are .100 thru
.149. When batch sees it is over 149 a second batch clears oldest 30 or
so and starts over. When I realize something bad has happened I look at
my saves (which live in their own directory) to find where the size goes
from very large to very small and restore the last large one. Slight
PIA to restore, but has saved my butt at least 6 times in past two years.
As I posted earlier, I *think* the cause is when FF blows up for
whatever reason - which does not happen often.
Real shame is how easy an internal fix should be - as in when the file
is open and closed.
>> Alex is correct, *IF* NSW gives the user options as to
>> what to Cleanup. I wasn't aware that it did. Thanks for posting the
>> note, Otto....and I did get Symantec into this, and their
>> solution was to uncheck those two boxes, in what One Button Check
>> actually does. In other words, you don't like what it cleans up?
>> Then don't use us for Clean Up. But I'll see if any refinements
>> exist.
>>
>> Bill
> Okay, Alex. I checked the Options for that checkup. The options
> are to perform the CleanUp or Don't Perform the CleanUp.
> I am leaving it in the "Don't" mode for now.
Hmm, very poor choice on their part, then, IMO. Is there perhaps
another configuration menu somewhere, that allows you to select what
types of information it will delete?
I looked at their website, in the support area, & it was, to put it
politely, less than useful.
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Alex