New 3.5.7 has memory problem
Mike
It has the same memory problem that I found in 3.6b5.
It stays in memory after FF is closed.
Miles
Closed FX 3.5.7 and it's immediately gone from tasks & processes.
kes
/Your set up/ has the problem that it had when you reported the above
problem. I confirm the experience of Miles, that the FF app disappears
from Tasks (and Processes) on 'exit'.
Mike
When I use 3.0 I don't have the problem.
kes
Perhaps it is time to give some details. Are you running on Linux or
Windows? Which versions?
Mike
WIndows XP
I should note that when running 3.5.6 I didn't have the memory problem,
it just crashed quite often.
I hoped that 3.5.7 would resolve that problem and I think it did.
I didn't use it long enough to say for sure as I went back to 3.0.3 as
soon as I noted the memory problem.
Mike
I was just playing around with it and found that if I wait a little
while, it does empty itself from memory,
but not as nearly as quickly as FF 3.0 does.
Bill Braun
I'm not sure this is relevant - when you close FF, do you
use the [ X ] button in the upper right hand corner, or File
> Exit? I have read on several occasions (sorry, no
supporting evidence on hand) that File > Exit is a
"complete" close.
FF 3.5.7
XP, SP3
Also, cannot duplicate problem here, closing FF either way.
Bill B
John
up in Taskmaster>Processes.
You must have something else going on for it to stay in memory.
Tarkus
> I was just playing around with it and found that if I wait a little
> while, it does empty itself from memory,
> but not as nearly as quickly as FF 3.0 does.
I find that the longer I use FF, the longer it takes to completely shut
down (and I use the Exit Button extension). That goes for every version
up to and including 3.5.6. though that version doesn't seem near as bad
as previous versions, which sometimes took literally minutes to
completely shut down.
Tarkus
> Mike wrote:
>> I just tried the new 3.5.7.
>> It has the same memory problem that I found in 3.6b5.
>> It stays in memory after FF is closed.
>
> I'm not sure this is relevant - when you close FF, do you use the [ X ]
> button in the upper right hand corner, or File > Exit? I have read on
> several occasions (sorry, no supporting evidence on hand) that File >
> Exit is a "complete" close.
I use the Exit Button extension, which is supposed to be the same as
using File > Exit, but I wouldn't think it should make a difference if
you operate in single window mode, as I do.
Miles
How does it close down if it is running in safe mode?
Phil Randal
You have a broken set up in some way.
Likely culprits are Adobe Flash and Sun Java.
Make sure both are up to date, and that you only have the latest Java
runtime installed.
Phil
Eustace
What does the exit button extension button does differently from the
upper right hand corner x?
emf
--
It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
https://files.nyu.edu/emf202/public/bd/itaintmebabe.html
Bill Braun
> On 2010-01-06 16:21 Tarkus wrote:
[snip]
> What does the exit button extension button does differently from the
> upper right hand corner x?
>
> emf
>
It emulates File > Exit. Why this is different from [ X ] I
do not know, but am given to understand that it is a
relevant difference.
Bill Braun
David Pyles
close command, while the upper right hand corner x issues a window close
command. While closing the last window usually closes a program, it is
not always the case, especially if there are background processes
running as their often are in a browser.
Dave Pyles
Bill Braun
> The difference is that File > Exit and the exit button issues a file
> close command, while the upper right hand corner x issues a window close
> command. While closing the last window usually closes a program, it is
> not always the case, especially if there are background processes
> running as their often are in a browser.
> Dave Pyles
Many thanks, David, good to know.
Bill
David McRitchie
> On 2010-01-06 16:21 Tarkus wrote:
>> On 1/6/2010 7:49 AM, Mike wrote:
>>> I was just playing around with it and found that if I wait a little
>>> while, it does empty itself from memory,
>>> but not as nearly as quickly as FF 3.0 does.
>>
>> I find that the longer I use FF, the longer it takes to completely shut down (and I use the Exit Button extension). That goes
>> for every version up to and including 3.5.6. though that version doesn't seem near as bad as previous versions, which sometimes
>> took literally minutes to completely shut down.
>
> What does the exit button extension button does differently from the upper right hand corner x?
The button in the upper right corner closes the Window, you could have several
Firefox windows open, it closes one of the them. If it is the last window it
it will generally close Firefox (if you're lucky), but if you called some multi-media
applications for instance it is less likely to close Firefox or as you notice may take
longer to close sometimes.
The File -> Exit from the menu closes all of Firefox for your current Firefox
profile. Some people would rather have a button, even though the
most times you can use it is once per session. Either way Firefox is brought down
much more reliably.
If it wasn't already mentioned in this thread the "QuickRestart" extension will automatically
take Firefox down and bring it back up without you having to watch the Windows Task Manager for your opportunity to restart
Firefox (keyboard shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+R).
File->Exit closes the the Firefox profile that you are in.
You can run Firefox (firefox.exe) from more than one application library at the same time
for example Firefox version 3.5.7, Namoroka (3.6b6pre), Minefield(3.7a1pre).
You can use more than one profile with a Firefox application libraries at the same time.
In either case only one Firefox application and profile at most will be treated as your default
browser. All others would be started with no-remote so that they are independent.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Command_line_arguments
Firefox application libraries would be used as your default browser.
them would be used by the system as Firefox, the other Firefox profiles
would be stand alone not known to other applications. Each open profile
(not to be confused with multiple windows) uses separate Firefox
applications libraries for If you had all three open you would see all three in your
Windows task bar, each could have several windows.,. When you close your
current profile you are close that Firefox application.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_multiple_profiles_-_Firefox\
Tarkus
> The File -> Exit from the menu closes all of Firefox for your
> current Firefox
> profile. Some people would rather have a button, even though the
> most times you can use it is once per session. Either way Firefox
> is brought down
> much more reliably.
I also have a restart button, which also can only be used once per
session, but then, I'm not hurting for room.
> If it wasn't already mentioned in this thread the "QuickRestart"
> extension will automatically take Firefox down and bring it back up
> without you having to watch the Windows Task Manager for your
> opportunity to restart Firefox (keyboard shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+R).
I don't use that extension, but already have that (as well as the
button). MR Tech Toolkit, perhaps?
Jeremy Nicoll - firefox
> "Eustace" <emf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:EqKdnQC8leyAPtjW...@mozilla.org...
> > What does the exit button extension button does differently from the
> > upper right hand corner x?
>
> The button in the upper right corner closes the Window, you could have
> several Firefox windows open, it closes one of the them. If it is the
> last window it it will generally close Firefox (if you're lucky), but if
> you called some multi-media applications for instance it is less likely
> to close Firefox or as you notice may take longer to close sometimes.
>
> The File -> Exit from the menu closes all of Firefox for your current
> Firefox profile.
Are you certain that File->Exit is different from upper right corner X in
the last open window?
It goes against all good programming practice to have different ways of
terminating an application, or at least, ways that are not properly
differentiated to users.
[I exclude diagnostic shudown processing which might log what it does, do
things in a different order, ask for explicit instruction of which parts of
a shutdown to do and in what order etc.]
--
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
Jeremy Nicoll - firefox
> The difference is that File > Exit and the exit button issues a file
> close command,
A what? Is that some special internal Firefox process?
The online help for FF says just the File -> Exit terminates running
downloads, shuts all windows etc and stops FF.
> while the upper right hand corner x issues a window close command. While
> closing the last window usually closes a program, it is not always the
> case, especially if there are background processes running as their often
> are in a browser.
That's smoke and mirrors... If a programmer has decided that a user
shutting the last window in an app means the app should be shutdown, the
exact same set of shutdown actions would normally be performed - which would
include shutting down background processes.
I've used apps in the past which don't close when the last document window
closes (MDI apps like editors and word-processors) but these still leave the
parent window on screen, and when you X that the whole app closes.
I know it's said here often enough that Xing the last window is not the same
as File->Exit, but I'd like some proof. At the very least don't you think
the online help system should clearly explain the difference?
And if last window X isn't meant to shut down the app totally, how come it
does some of the time (except for occasional shutdown hangs, in my
experience)?
Ron Hunter
multi-threaded, and when terminating, not all the threads terminate at
the same time. Using File/exit will force all the threads to terminate.
Closing the last window will not.
--
Ron Hunter - rphu...@charter.net
»Q«
<news:mailman.1592.126290437...@lists.mozilla.org>,
Jeremy Nicoll - firefox <jn.ml....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
> "David McRitchie" <fire...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > "Eustace" <emf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:EqKdnQC8leyAPtjW...@mozilla.org...
>
> > > What does the exit button extension button does differently from
> > > the upper right hand corner x?
> >
> > The button in the upper right corner closes the Window, you could
> > have several Firefox windows open, it closes one of the them. If
> > it is the last window it it will generally close Firefox (if
> > you're lucky), but if you called some multi-media applications for
> > instance it is less likely to close Firefox or as you notice may
> > take longer to close sometimes.
> >
> > The File -> Exit from the menu closes all of Firefox for your
> > current Firefox profile.
>
> Are you certain that File->Exit is different from upper right corner
> X in the last open window?
File » Exit tells Firefox to exit, and when all Firefox processes are
done, the window manager closes all the windows they were using.
With the X at the upper right, it's the other way around -- clicking
the X tells the window manager to close the window, and the window
manager informs Firefox, which in turn should terminate any processes
that were using that particular window. If it was the only open
Firefox window, Firefox should exit completely at that point, but it's
been observed not to for some people using various versions of
Microsoft Windows. AFAIK, no one here knows whether the problem is
with MS Windows or with Firefox or with both of them, and no one has
come up with a reliable way to reproduce the problem.
> It goes against all good programming practice to have different ways
> of terminating an application, or at least, ways that are not properly
> differentiated to users.
A close button on the window decorations is standard with most
windowing GUIs, and something like File » Exit is standard with most
programs. The two methods are always different, but if everything
works the way it should, the user never notices.
--
»Q« /"\
ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /
against html e-mail X
<http://asciiribbon.org/> / \
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
The Exit Button extension works the same as File => Exit. I have my
button right next to the X on the right so I don't have to exert a lot
of energy moving the cursor wayy over to "File" .. :-)
Exit Button extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2218
--
Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion
www.ufaq.org
Netscape - Flock - Firefox - Thunderbird - Seamonkey Support
Tarkus
> The Exit Button extension works the same as File => Exit. I have my
> button right next to the X on the right so I don't have to exert a lot
> of energy moving the cursor wayy over to "File" .. :-)
>
> Exit Button extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2218
Same here, with the Restart button right to the left of it. :)
G. R. Woodring
If you download the EditPad lite program (Notepad replacement) from jgsoft and
check the options you will find that it can be configured to exit with the red X
or to minimize to the tray. The minimize option can be with or without a
taskbar button. If the minimize option is set you must use File>Exit to close
the program.
<http://www.editpadlite.com/editpadlite.html>
If you download Sysinternals Process Explorer from Microsoft you will find that
clicking the red X will minimize it to a CPU graph in the system tray.
File>Exit closes the program.
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx>
The red X is clearly _not_ intended to be the same as File>Exit. Even if you
close the last visible window, it may not close the program if some process
(possibly a plug-in or extension) is running in the background without a window.
The red X only reliably closes programs that use only one window and all
processes run within that window.
--
G. R. Woodring
Eustace
Well, when I use FF I normally have 1 maximized window open so I don't
need to use an alternate way of closing it. But with OOo I try to
remember not to click the x since in Vista it forgets then the
dimensions of the normal window, preferring to double click on the top
left icon, whose desktop shortcut is Alt + F4. It would, actually be a
good idea to start using that way for every program, including FF,
since, rarely, I do use the normal window and change its dimensions. Is
Alt + F4 equivalent to Ctrl + w?
emf
--
The folk oratorios of Mikis Theodorakis
https://files.nyu.edu/emf202/public/mt/oratorios.html
gabor
Alt + F4 closes an application,
Ctrl + F4 closes a window (and the application if there are no other
windows open)
For Firefox, Ctrl + F4 would be the same as Ctrl + W
Regards,
Gabor