Search Suggestions FF 2
Leonidas Jones
sure why, it just popped into my head when I had no idea what to search
for when doing a test.
In versions up to 1.5.0.7, I would get a list of past search history, in
this case, just mommy.
Imagine my surprise when I tried such a search on 2.0 RC1, and got a
series of suggestions. The first one was something for which I would
never have searched. I would be appalled had one of my elementary
students searched for mommy, and been presented with such a thing.
Try a Google search in the search bar for mommy, and see what comes up.
Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm a little troubled by this.
Lee
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> When I am testing search functions, I tend to do a search for mommy, not
> sure why, it just popped into my head when I had no idea what to search
> for when doing a test.
>
> In versions up to 1.5.0.7, I would get a list of past search history, in
> this case, just mommy.
>
> Imagine my surprise when I tried such a search on 2.0 RC1, and got a
> series of suggestions. The first one was something for which I would
> never have searched. I would be appalled had one of my elementary
> students searched for mommy, and been presented with such a thing.
>
> Try a Google search in the search bar for mommy, and see what comes up.
> Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm a little troubled by this.
>
> Lee
>
With RC1, SeaMonkey and NS 8.1.2, I get exactly the same results. What's
the problem, I don't see anything wrong with at least the first page of
results.
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»Q«
<news:6-WdnZkqBPNxqoLY...@mozilla.org>:
> Try a Google search in the search bar for mommy, and see what
> comes up. Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm a little troubled by this.
It's not quite as bad with Yahoo!, but almost -- the second suggestion
isn't one you'd want kids to see.
Addition of search suggestions was a blocker for Firefox 2, so I guess
they really wanted it. Based on what you've found, if I had to make
the call I would turn it off by default at least.
There are bound to be /lots/ of innocent words which will turn up such
things among the top suggestions. "asian", "older" and "little" are
all I found before I got tired of typing guesses.
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»Q«
»Q«
<news:G82dncfIuo3Jp4LY...@mozilla.org>:
>> Try a Google search in the search bar for mommy, and see what
>> comes up. Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm a little troubled by this.
>
> With RC1, SeaMonkey and NS 8.1.2, I get exactly the same results.
> What's the problem, I don't see anything wrong with at least the
> first page of results.
Fx 2.0rc1 has an autosuggestion feature. Type "mommy" in the search
box, but don't hit enter; Fx will connect to google to get suggested
searches based on that string, and once they have arrived will display
them as a drop-down list.
You can get the same effect, with exactly the same suggestions, at
<http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en>, and for whatever reason
I find the suggestions come up faster using the webpage.
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Leonidas Jones
In NS 8.1.2, where I have never done a search, I search for mommy, and
get no suggestions.
The first hit is Mommy and Me, a really nice site.
In FF 1.5.0.7, Once I reach mom in the search bar, I get a suggestion
for mommy, a search I have done before. The first hit on the search is
also Mommy and Me.
In FF 2.0 RC1, as soon as I type mom, I get a suggestion for mommyloves****
It leads to a first hit of a porn site.
This is a clean test profile, I had never searched in it, there was no
search history, and I had never searched for such a thing anyhow.
FF2 RC1 is making a suggestion that is most inappropriate.
I've now deleted the suggestion, and it no longer appears.
However, I installed RC1 on an XP box, with a clean profile, and still
got mommyloves**** as a suggestion. Are we supposing that children never
use this soft ware???
I'm not trying to censor anyones surfing habits here, but does Firefox
need to light the path?????
Leonidas Jones
Thanks for confirming.
I would suggest that these things would be better left to come up on the
Google or Yahoo, or whatever pages, rather then having Firefox suggest them.
Turning it off by default would work for me. Let folks search for what
they want to search for, but let it be a conscious selection.
»Q«
»<news:MrQ984EED8CE...@QsFQDN.dyndns.org>:
I see the "more info" link is dead on that page. AIRI from when Google
Labs introduced the feature, the suggestions are entirely based on the
search terms actual users have entered, which is why we are seeing
such, um, interesting results.
I note that Google themselves haven't enabled it by default on their
main search pages, and this may be why.
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Ron Hunter
> When I am testing search functions, I tend to do a search for mommy, not
> sure why, it just popped into my head when I had no idea what to search
> for when doing a test.
>
> In versions up to 1.5.0.7, I would get a list of past search history, in
> this case, just mommy.
>
> Imagine my surprise when I tried such a search on 2.0 RC1, and got a
> series of suggestions. The first one was something for which I would
> never have searched. I would be appalled had one of my elementary
> students searched for mommy, and been presented with such a thing.
>
> Try a Google search in the search bar for mommy, and see what comes up.
> Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm a little troubled by this.
>
> Lee
>
parents. Shocking! So what DID you get?
Chris Ilias
> When I am testing search functions, I tend to do a search for mommy, not
> sure why, it just popped into my head when I had no idea what to search
> for when doing a test.
>
> In versions up to 1.5.0.7, I would get a list of past search history, in
> this case, just mommy.
>
> Imagine my surprise when I tried such a search on 2.0 RC1, and got a
> series of suggestions. The first one was something for which I would
> never have searched. I would be appalled had one of my elementary
> students searched for mommy, and been presented with such a thing.
>
> Try a Google search in the search bar for mommy, and see what comes up.
> Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm a little troubled by this.
browser.search.suggest.enabled=false
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Ron Hunter
Another good reason to customize and drag the search box off the
toolbar! I don't want things happening BEFORE I hit return!
Ron Hunter
As I TRY to keep telling people, it is an ADULT medium. Try typing in
'typos' of common websites, such as 'ecxite' instead of 'excite', and
see what you get.
I suppose you might want to do as I have done and drag the search box
off the toolbar back to the customize dialog. If I want to search, I
just go to Google and do the thing.
Ron Hunter
At my last job, I was asked to write an article for the newsletter about
some of the interesting animals in the area that frequently wandered
into our building and the content blocker wouldn't let me search for
'foxes'. sigh.
Getting recipes for 'chicken breasts' is a bit difficult with these
content blockers active.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> You can get the same effect, with exactly the same suggestions, at
> <http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en>, and for whatever reason
> I find the suggestions come up faster using the webpage.
>
Yes, I saw the suggestions (3) and none make any sense insofar as
"momsy" is concerned. I still don't see what Lee may be seeing .. Lee ??
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> I see the "more info" link is dead on that page. AIRI from when Google
> Labs introduced the feature, the suggestions are entirely based on the
> search terms actual users have entered, which is why we are seeing
> such, um, interesting results.
>
> I note that Google themselves haven't enabled it by default on their
> main search pages, and this may be why.
>
What in heavens name are you folks seeing that I'm not?? Using "momsy"
as the search/suggestion criteria I see nothing amiss about the results.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Tee heee .... I'm typing M O M S Y not M O M N Y !! Sitting too far back
from the monitor I guess. Yes, BIG difference ..
Never mind !! :-(
Christopher Jahn
>
> What in heavens name are you folks seeing that I'm not?? Using
> "momsy" as the search/suggestion criteria I see nothing amiss
> about the results.
You're using the wrong search term: they're using "momMy," not
momSy
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote in
> news:ROidnfVqYZctKILY...@mozilla.org:
>
>>
>> What in heavens name are you folks seeing that I'm not?? Using
>> "momsy" as the search/suggestion criteria I see nothing amiss
>> about the results.
>
> You're using the wrong search term: they're using "momMy," not
> momSy
>
Yah I know, already said that in a reply to Q .. :-(
Ron Lopshire
You hit the nail on the head, Ron.
/rant/
1) WTF?
2) My effing browser is connecting to various servers while I am
effing typing?
3) Again, WTF?
Assuming that at some point one might actually upgrade to FF 2.0, how
in the Hell would one go about disabling this annoying POS feature?
Instead of adding security holes like this crap to FF/SM, perhaps the
Moz developers' time would be better spent trying to prevent FF/SM
from evolving into the unsecure POS browser that IE has become.
Hackers claim zero-day flaw in Firefox
(http://news.com.com/Hackers+claim+zero-day+flaw+in+Firefox/2100-1002_3-6121608.html?tag=nefd.top)
Short Version: (http://tinyurl.com/m5a9y)
MS screwed up all of the Office apps by going to HTML help pages. I
need to connect to Redmond to see a help page that hasn't changed
since Bill Gates was in the third grade? Geesh. This incessant need by
some of these morons to use a network connection for every effing
thing under the sun makes me want to cut my internet connection and
say screw it. YMMV.
/end rant/
Thanks. I needed that. I feel much better now.
Ron :)
Ron Hunter
I am glad you got that all out of your system. I would have said it
differently, but I agree with the sentiments. Just customize and drag
that search box down into the toolbox, and don't use it. Few workers
need to use every tool in the box....
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
I agree .. and it is my contention that the offending companies that
force you to connect to THEIR site(s) should compensate you for
bandwidth useage to do so ... Let's bill 'em .. :-)
Mumia W. (using mozilla)
Do I need to come up with more reasons to not upgrade to 2.0?
;-)
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Bernie
> _Leonidas Jones_ spoke thusly on 30/09/2006 11:36 PM:
>> When I am testing search functions, I tend to do a search for mommy,
>> not sure why, it just popped into my head when I had no idea what to
>> search for when doing a test.
>>
>> In versions up to 1.5.0.7, I would get a list of past search history,
>> in this case, just mommy.
>>
>> Imagine my surprise when I tried such a search on 2.0 RC1, and got a
>> series of suggestions. The first one was something for which I would
>> never have searched. I would be appalled had one of my elementary
>> students searched for mommy, and been presented with such a thing.
>>
>> Try a Google search in the search bar for mommy, and see what comes
>> up. Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm a little troubled by this.
>
> browser.search.suggest.enabled=false
I see the problem with some of the suggested search terms. Wouldn't it
be wise to have an "Option" to turn off suggested search terms? Most
users will never know that an "about:config" parameter can be changed,
let alone which one.
Chris Ilias
In the search engine drop-down list, click on "Manage Search Engines",
and uncheck "Show search suggestions". :-)
Chris Ilias
> In the search engine drop-down list, click on "Manage Search Engines",
> and uncheck "Show search suggestions". :-)
or right-click on the search field, and uncheck "Show Suggestions".
»Q«
<news:MrQ984F1B66D...@QsFQDN.dyndns.org>:
> I think it's worth filing a bug and posting in m.dev.apps.firefox,
> since we're so close to release of 2.0.
I've filed it, <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355074>.
Chris (or anybody else with enough permissions), could you confirm it
please?
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Ron Hunter
when the final version becomes available. I am quite happy with the RC1
release.
tjb
> Assuming that at some point one might actually upgrade to FF 2.0, how
> in the Hell would one go about disabling this annoying POS feature?
Search-engine icon >> Manage search engines >> Show search suggestions
tjb
>> Assuming that at some point one might actually upgrade to FF 2.0, how
>> in the Hell would one go about disabling this annoying POS feature?
>
> Search-engine icon >> Manage search engines >> Show search suggestions
Or just right-click the search field and uncheck 'Show suggestions'.
tjb
>> In the search engine drop-down list, click on "Manage Search Engines",
>> and uncheck "Show search suggestions". :-)
>
> or right-click on the search field, and uncheck "Show Suggestions".
This teaches me for not reading the whole thread. Bad habit I gotta shake.
:D
Ron Lopshire
Thanks for the info, tjb. If I ever upgrade to FF 2.0 (not looking too
promising right now), I will try to remember that.
Ron :)
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> You get different results if you use Google Suggestions. A straight
> Google search produces innocuous results.
Like I said earlier, I typed in the wrong search "word".
Ron Hunter
Ron Lopshire
> Ron Lopshire wrote:
>
>> tjb wrote:
>>
>>> Ron Lopshire <not...@ovbl.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Assuming that at some point one might actually upgrade to FF 2.0,
>>>> how in the Hell would one go about disabling this annoying POS feature?
>>>
>>> Search-engine icon >> Manage search engines >> Show search suggestions
>>
>> Thanks for the info, tjb. If I ever upgrade to FF 2.0 (not looking too
>> promising right now), I will try to remember that.
>
Thanks, Ron. I don't use it. If I wanted something like that, I would
go back to using AOL software and their /keywords/. [g]
I do however, when I use K-Meleon from time to time, use the Google
button for the URL box. I am sure that I could find an extension for
FF/SM to do the same thing. Again, though, this is not the same as a
keylogger for the search box. As you pointed out, I cannot ever fathom
wanting that feature.
Ron :)