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Spam Bait

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Sep 16, 2006, 2:05:11 PM9/16/06
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Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products) that a
'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their signature to let
newsgroup posters know that the advise is coming from someone who is
verified to 'really know' how to troubleshoot FF problems and give
advise??

Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess' advise
regarding problem fixes.

If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert designation, that
is.

Christopher Jahn

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Sep 16, 2006, 2:18:06 PM9/16/06
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"Spam Bait" <spambai...@gmail.com> wrote in
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That would be the Champions: Jay Garcia and Chris Ilias are the
two most frequently seen here.

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Everybody looks brave holding a machine gun.

Spam Bait

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Sep 16, 2006, 2:29:28 PM9/16/06
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Thanks for that info, Chris. I have seen the Champion designation, but
did not know the significance.

Ken Wagner

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Sep 16, 2006, 3:19:03 PM9/16/06
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Christopher Jahn wrote, on 9/16/2006 1:18 PM:
> "Spam Bait" <spambai...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1158429911.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products)
>> that a 'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their
>> signature to let newsgroup posters know that the advise is
>> coming from someone who is verified to 'really know' how to
>> troubleshoot FF problems and give advise??
>>
>> Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess'
>> advise regarding problem fixes.
>>
>> If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert
>> designation, that is.
>
> That would be the Champions: Jay Garcia and Chris Ilias are the
> two most frequently seen here.
>

Don't forget Lee and Irwin - they also tend to camp out in here too.

I don't know how up to date the list is, but a list of the Mozilla
Champions can be found at:
http://mozillachampions.ufaq.org/members.html

hb

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Sep 16, 2006, 3:18:46 PM9/16/06
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/Spam Bait/ said:
> Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products) that a
> 'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their signature to let
> newsgroup posters know that the advise is coming from someone who is
> verified to 'really know' how to troubleshoot FF problems and give
> advice??

>
> Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess' advise
> regarding problem fixes.
>
> If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert designation, that
> is.

There are "Champions" - a program that began with Netscape. However,
those folks are now few. A good practice is to read the group/s
regularly. You soon will get a sense for the "regulars" who most
demonstrate courtesy and accuracy. Some maintain excellent FAQs, such
as http://uFAQ.org and http://ilias.ca/mozilla/

kes

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Sep 16, 2006, 5:32:48 PM9/16/06
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I agree with the advice 'follow the ng discussions'

For what its worth, I would add 'Nir' and 'Leonidas Jones' ('Lee') to the
already mentioned persons.


gwtc

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Sep 16, 2006, 5:42:42 PM9/16/06
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Lee as far as I know is still one. Irwin claims to have removed
himself from that designation, but he's still listed as one on the
champions website. As far as I know hb is also one [I could be wrong
on that]. And, don't forget the argumentative Moz Champ Dan. There's
also Holger Metzger, and Sailfish

--
It comes to the end of Bill Gates long, successful life, he finds
himself in the Purgatory waiting room, when God enters . . . "Well,
Bill," says God, "I'm confused. I'm not sure whether to send you to
Heaven or Hell: you helped society enormously by putting a computer in
almost every home in the world, and yet you've also created some of
the most unearthly frustrations known to mankind. I'm going to do
something I've never done before: I'm going to let you choose where
you want to go." Bill replies, "Well, thanks, God. What's the
difference between the two?" God says, "I'm willing to let you visit
both places briefly to help you make your decision." "Okay, where
should I go first?" asks Bill. God says, "That's up to you." Bill
says, "OK, let's try Hell first." So Bill goes to Hell. It's a
beautiful, clean, sandy beach with clear waters. There are thousands
of beautiful women running around, playing in the water, laughing and
frolicking about. The sun is shining, the temperature is just right.
The whole thing looks perfect, and Bill is very pleased. "This is
great!" he tells God, "If this is Hell, I REALLY want to see Heaven!"
"Fine," says God, and off they go . . . to be continued!

gwtc

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Sep 16, 2006, 5:43:01 PM9/16/06
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well, if you go by that, then the rest of us shouldn't be in here
trying to help. I mean those like reg, Nir, Mumia, Chris Jan, myself,
and a few others. Maybe we all should stop trying to help you.

Spam Bait

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Sep 16, 2006, 6:55:10 PM9/16/06
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gwtc wrote:
> Spam Bait wrote:
> > Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products) that a
> > 'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their signature to let
> > newsgroup posters know that the advise is coming from someone who is
> > verified to 'really know' how to troubleshoot FF problems and give
> > advise??
> >
> > Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess' advise
> > regarding problem fixes.
> >
> > If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert designation, that
> > is.
> >
> well, if you go by that, then the rest of us shouldn't be in here
> trying to help. I mean those like reg, Nir, Mumia, Chris Jan, myself,
> and a few others. Maybe we all should stop trying to help you.

gwtc, as The Bard said so eloquently (loosely paraphrased), "Me thinks
thou doest protest too much". No offense intended, by my post, OR my
retort.

Mumia W. (using mozilla)

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Sep 16, 2006, 6:35:04 PM9/16/06
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On 09/16/2006 01:18 PM, Christopher Jahn wrote:
> "Spam Bait" <spambai...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1158429911.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>> [...]

>> If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert
>> designation, that is.
>
> That would be the Champions: Jay Garcia and Chris Ilias are the
> two most frequently seen here.
>

Dan too.

--
paduille.4...@earthlink.net

gwtc

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Sep 16, 2006, 7:44:12 PM9/16/06
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But I love protesting! What do you think gwtc stands for? What I do
best: grievance, war, threat, and complain ;-)

Miles

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Sep 16, 2006, 8:15:20 PM9/16/06
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gwtc wrote:
> Spam Bait wrote:
>> gwtc wrote:
>>> Spam Bait wrote:
>
>>
>> gwtc, as The Bard said so eloquently (loosely paraphrased), "Me thinks
>> thou doest protest too much". No offense intended, by my post, OR my
>> retort.
>>
> But I love protesting! What do you think gwtc stands for? What I do
> best: grievance, war, threat, and complain ;-)
>

I've finally learned what gwtc stands for. I thought about calling you
Mr. GW, but perhaps it should be Mr. Complainer, or Mr. Threatener, or
just plain Hey, gwtc.
Miles

Leonidas Jones

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Sep 16, 2006, 9:37:27 PM9/16/06
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Christopher Jahn wrote:
> "Spam Bait" <spambai...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1158429911.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products)
>> that a 'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their
>> signature to let newsgroup posters know that the advise is
>> coming from someone who is verified to 'really know' how to
>> troubleshoot FF problems and give advise??
>>
>> Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess'
>> advise regarding problem fixes.
>>
>> If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert
>> designation, that is.
>
> That would be the Champions: Jay Garcia and Chris Ilias are the
> two most frequently seen here.
>

Hi Chris, I'm back as well!

Lee

--
Leonidas Jones, Mozilla/Netscape Champion
Learn about the Champs! http://mozillachampions.ufaq.org
The UFAQ'S http://www.ufaq.org/
http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html
http://mozilla.com http://mozilla.org

Irwin Greenwald

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Sep 16, 2006, 11:32:08 PM9/16/06
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I retired.

--
Irwin

Managing TB Profiles: http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/profile
Managing FF Profiles: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/profile

Jay Garcia

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Sep 17, 2006, 12:15:52 AM9/17/06
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On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> I retired.

Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.

--
Jay Garcia Netscape/Mozilla Champion
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org

Jay Garcia

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Sep 17, 2006, 12:18:32 AM9/17/06
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On 16.09.2006 18:44, gwtc wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> But I love protesting! What do you think gwtc stands for? What I do
> best: grievance, war, threat, and complain ;-)
>

Dang, I thought it meant GoWestToColorado .. 8-)

Irwin Greenwald

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Sep 17, 2006, 12:46:23 AM9/17/06
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Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> I retired.
>
> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>
But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that I
think they are idiots!

gwtc

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Sep 17, 2006, 2:56:33 AM9/17/06
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Irwin Greenwald wrote:
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> I retired.
>>
>> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>
> But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that I
> think they are idiots!
>
oh what a shame . . . tisk, tisk

--
The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has
been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for
short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c".
Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the
hard "c" will be replaced with "k." Not only will this klear up
konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be
growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome
"ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20
per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new
spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated
changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double
letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al
wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is
disgrasful, and they would go. . . to be continued!

Ron Hunter

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Sep 17, 2006, 3:53:42 AM9/17/06
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Irwin Greenwald wrote:
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> I retired.
>>
>> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>
> But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that I
> think they are idiots!
>

Well, sometimes the truth hurts. Grin.
Many of us here are retired, or just tired.

Still, what works for one may not work for another. The broad
experience I have seen recounted here often leads to confusion because
the spectrum of users, and uses, is so wide that advice is often
ineffective for a given user. In such cases, it is good that many
possible solutions are available.

Jay Garcia

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Sep 17, 2006, 8:33:04 AM9/17/06
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On 16.09.2006 23:46, Irwin Greenwald wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> I retired.
>>
>> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>
> But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that I
> think they are idiots!
>

You have permission to tell an idiot that he/she/it is an idiot.

squaredancer

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Sep 17, 2006, 8:47:43 AM9/17/06
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On 17.09.2006 00:35, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Mumia W.
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yeah! Dan, Dan the MozChamp man.... mostly argueing though!

reg

squaredancer

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On 16.09.2006 23:43, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused gwtc to
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>Spam Bait wrote:


>
>
>>Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products) that a
>>'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their signature to let
>>newsgroup posters know that the advise is coming from someone who is
>>verified to 'really know' how to troubleshoot FF problems and give
>>advise??
>>
>>Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess' advise
>>regarding problem fixes.
>>
>>If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert designation, that
>>is.
>>
>>
>>
>well, if you go by that, then the rest of us shouldn't be in here
>trying to help. I mean those like reg, Nir, Mumia, Chris Jan, myself,
>and a few others. Maybe we all should stop trying to help you.
>
>
>

pah! you are just a cantancerous (is it spellt like that??) old sod and
argue as much as Dan does :-P :-P :-P (especially with Chris *lol* )
Must agree though, that Nir has some of the *most helpfull* links I've
come across here... amazing!

reg

squaredancer

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Sep 17, 2006, 8:54:34 AM9/17/06
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On 17.09.2006 01:44, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused gwtc to
generate the following:? :

>Spam Bait wrote:


>
>
>>gwtc wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Spam Bait wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products) that a
>>>>'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their signature to let
>>>>newsgroup posters know that the advise is coming from someone who is
>>>>verified to 'really know' how to troubleshoot FF problems and give
>>>>advise??
>>>>
>>>>Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess' advise
>>>>regarding problem fixes.
>>>>
>>>>If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert designation, that
>>>>is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>well, if you go by that, then the rest of us shouldn't be in here
>>>trying to help. I mean those like reg, Nir, Mumia, Chris Jan, myself,
>>>and a few others. Maybe we all should stop trying to help you.
>>>
>>>
>>gwtc, as The Bard said so eloquently (loosely paraphrased), "Me thinks
>>thou doest protest too much". No offense intended, by my post, OR my
>>retort.
>>
>>
>>
>But I love protesting! What do you think gwtc stands for? What I do
>best: grievance, war, threat, and complain ;-)
>
>
>

how about "ending" the Bill Gates episode ??

reg

squaredancer

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Sep 17, 2006, 8:57:20 AM9/17/06
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On 17.09.2006 06:18, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay Garcia to
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>On 16.09.2006 18:44, gwtc wrote:


>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>
>>But I love protesting! What do you think gwtc stands for? What I do
>>best: grievance, war, threat, and complain ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>Dang, I thought it meant GoWestToColorado .. 8-)
>
>
>

then though, it SHOULD read gwPc - Past Colerado (into Nevada) - that
is where the *real desert lies! ;-)

reg

Moz Champion (Dan)

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Sep 17, 2006, 8:59:10 AM9/17/06
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Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 16.09.2006 23:46, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>> I retired.
>>> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>>
>> But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that I
>> think they are idiots!
>>
>
> You have permission to tell an idiot that he/she/it is an idiot.
>
>


He doesnt have to, I already know

Christopher Jahn

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Sep 17, 2006, 8:59:49 AM9/17/06
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Leonidas Jones <Leonid...@netscape.net> wrote in
news:Xrmdnfc4qI9FO5HY...@mozilla.org:

> Christopher Jahn wrote:
>> "Spam Bait" <spambai...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:1158429911.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products)
>>> that a 'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their
>>> signature to let newsgroup posters know that the advise is
>>> coming from someone who is verified to 'really know' how to
>>> troubleshoot FF problems and give advise??
>>>
>>> Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess'
>>> advise regarding problem fixes.
>>>
>>> If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert
>>> designation, that is.
>>
>> That would be the Champions: Jay Garcia and Chris Ilias are
the
>> two most frequently seen here.
>>
>
> Hi Chris, I'm back as well!
>
> Lee
>

Oh, and ABSOLUTELY Lee. Didn't mean to leave you out!

--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Ivana used to be Donald's trompe l'oeil.

Moz Champion (Dan)

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Sep 17, 2006, 9:00:35 AM9/17/06
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I never argue, I am simply correcting your mistakes and mis
comprehensions <grin>

Moz Champion (Dan)

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Sep 17, 2006, 9:03:28 AM9/17/06
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Who me? Argue? Simply because I feel compelled to correct your errors
ins judgement? I am not arguing, I am stating the god honest truth, all
you have to do is realize that. <grin>

PS I also have a bridge to sell

squaredancer

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squaredancer wrote:
  
On 16.09.2006 23:43, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused  gwtc to 
generate the following:? :

    
Spam Bait wrote:
 

      
Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products) that a
'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their signature to let
newsgroup posters know that the advise is coming from someone who is
verified to 'really know' how to troubleshoot FF problems and give
advise??

Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess' advise
regarding problem fixes.

If there isn't one, there needs to be one.  FF expert designation, that
is.

  
        
well, if you go by that, then the rest of us shouldn't be in here 
trying to help.  I mean those like reg, Nir, Mumia, Chris Jan, myself, 
and a few others.  Maybe we all should stop trying to help you.

 

      
pah!  you are just a cantancerous (is it spellt like that??) old sod and 
argue as much as Dan does :-P :-P :-P  (especially with Chris *lol* )
Must agree though, that Nir has some of the *most helpfull* links I've 
come across here... amazing!

reg

    

<< snipped >> ('cos *not true*  :-P )

PS I also have a bridge to sell
  
sorry about that - I'm saving my money to buy Jay's swamp!

reg

gwtc

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Sep 17, 2006, 1:37:29 PM9/17/06
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Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 16.09.2006 23:46, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>> I retired.
>>> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>>
>> But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that I
>> think they are idiots!
>>
>
> You have permission to tell an idiot that he/she/it is an idiot.
>
>
well, thats not good PR for a so-called Moz Champ to say those things.
It can and will give you champs a bad rep

--
The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has
been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for
short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c".
Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the
hard "c" will be replaced with "k." Not only will this klear up
konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be
growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome
"ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20
per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new
spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated
changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double
letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al
wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is

disgrasful, and they would go. . . to be continued!

gwtc

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Sep 17, 2006, 1:39:01 PM9/17/06
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squaredancer wrote:

> then though, it SHOULD read gwPc - Past Colerado

where's Colerado?


--
The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has
been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for
short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c".
Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the
hard "c" will be replaced with "k." Not only will this klear up
konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be
growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome
"ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20
per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new
spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated
changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double
letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al
wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is

disgrasful, and they would go. . . to be continued!

gwtc

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Sep 17, 2006, 1:40:03 PM9/17/06
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I will! It says ". . . to be continued." Just when continued is I
don't know.

disgrasful, and they would go. . . to be continued!

gwtc

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Sep 17, 2006, 1:43:53 PM9/17/06
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squaredancer wrote:

> pah! you are just a cantancerous (is it spellt like that??) old sod and
> argue as much as Dan does :-P :-P :-P (especially with Chris *lol* )

thank you for those wonderful comments. A person sure gets to know
who his true Mozilla friends are ;-). Maybe just for those comments,
I'll never finish the ". . . to be continued" stories :-), and it'll
be your fault.

oh, btw, its cantankerous

--
The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has
been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for
short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c".
Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the
hard "c" will be replaced with "k." Not only will this klear up
konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter. There will be
growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome
"ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20
per sent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new
spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated
changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double
letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al
wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is

disgrasful, and they would go. . . to be continued!

Irwin Greenwald

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Sep 17, 2006, 1:52:51 PM9/17/06
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gwtc wrote:
> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>> I retired.
>>>
>>> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>>
>> But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that
>> I think they are idiots!
>>
> oh what a shame . . . tisk, tisk
>
See what I mean? This guy's an idiot!

John Doue

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Sep 17, 2006, 1:56:23 PM9/17/06
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gwtc wrote:
> squaredancer wrote:
>
>
>>pah! you are just a cantancerous (is it spellt like that??) old sod and
>>argue as much as Dan does :-P :-P :-P (especially with Chris *lol* )
>
>
> thank you for those wonderful comments. A person sure gets to know
> who his true Mozilla friends are ;-). Maybe just for those comments,
> I'll never finish the ". . . to be continued" stories :-), and it'll
> be your fault.
>
> oh, btw, its cantankerous
>
BTW, do you really need to give us 15+lines of reading as your
signature? Are we supposed to be interested?

Regards

--
John Doue

gwtc

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Sep 17, 2006, 2:07:02 PM9/17/06
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Irwin Greenwald wrote:
> gwtc wrote:
>> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>
>>>>> I retired.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>>>
>>> But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that
>>> I think they are idiots!
>>>
>> oh what a shame . . . tisk, tisk
>>
> See what I mean? This guy's an idiot!
>
Thank you

gwtc

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Sep 17, 2006, 2:09:18 PM9/17/06
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I really don't care. If you don't like it, then either don't read
messages from me, killfile me, or plonk me. How hard is it? It must
be very hard because all people can do is whine and yammer.

Ron Hunter

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Sep 17, 2006, 7:21:51 PM9/17/06
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reg,
Jay really DOES have the swamp, though. Grin.
Comes complete with lots of gators.

Ron Hunter

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Sep 17, 2006, 7:23:41 PM9/17/06
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gwtc wrote:
> squaredancer wrote:
>
>> then though, it SHOULD read gwPc - Past Colerado
>
> where's Colerado?
>
>
Just east of Uteh. grin.

Jay Garcia

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Sep 17, 2006, 8:32:18 PM9/17/06
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On 17.09.2006 12:39, gwtc wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> squaredancer wrote:
>
>> then though, it SHOULD read gwPc - Past Colerado
>
> where's Colerado?
>
>

Close to Montaner and Wyomink. ;-)

Leonidas Jones

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Sep 17, 2006, 10:53:37 PM9/17/06
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Christopher Jahn wrote:
> Leonidas Jones <Leonid...@netscape.net> wrote in
> news:Xrmdnfc4qI9FO5HY...@mozilla.org:
>
>> Christopher Jahn wrote:
>>> "Spam Bait" <spambai...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:1158429911.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products)
>>>> that a 'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their
>>>> signature to let newsgroup posters know that the advise is
>>>> coming from someone who is verified to 'really know' how to
>>>> troubleshoot FF problems and give advise??
>>>>
>>>> Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess'
>>>> advise regarding problem fixes.
>>>>
>>>> If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert
>>>> designation, that is.
>>> That would be the Champions: Jay Garcia and Chris Ilias are
> the
>>> two most frequently seen here.
>>>
>> Hi Chris, I'm back as well!
>>
>> Lee
>>
>
> Oh, and ABSOLUTELY Lee. Didn't mean to leave you out!
>

Thanks Chris!

Lee

--
Leonidas Jones, Mozilla/Netscape Champion
Learn about the Champs! http://mozillachampions.ufaq.org
The UFAQ'S http://www.ufaq.org/
http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html
http://mozilla.com http://mozilla.org

squaredancer

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Sep 18, 2006, 11:10:50 AM9/18/06
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On 17.09.2006 19:52, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Irwin
Greenwald to generate the following:? :

>gwtc wrote:
>
>
>>Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I retired.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that
>>>I think they are idiots!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>oh what a shame . . . tisk, tisk
>>
>>
>>
>See what I mean? This guy's an idiot!
>
>
>

actually, you can only be an idiot if you *don't* know that you are one!
As gw *knows* that he's nuts, he can't be nutty.... can he??? or can
he??? hmmmmm..... I smell contradictories....

reg

squaredancer

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Sep 18, 2006, 11:11:51 AM9/18/06
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On 17.09.2006 19:37, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused gwtc to
generate the following:? :

>Jay Garcia wrote:


>
>
>>On 16.09.2006 23:46, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>
>>
>>>Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 16.09.2006 22:32, Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I retired.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Sorry, you can't retire. As long as there's a list, you're on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>But if I unretire then I -as a Champion - can't tell some people that I
>>>think they are idiots!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>You have permission to tell an idiot that he/she/it is an idiot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>well, thats not good PR for a so-called Moz Champ to say those things.
> It can and will give you champs a bad rep
>
>
>

errrr - you mean "badder" ???

reg

squaredancer

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Sep 18, 2006, 11:13:53 AM9/18/06
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On 18.09.2006 02:32, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay Garcia to
generate the following:? :

>On 17.09.2006 12:39, gwtc wrote:


>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>
>>squaredancer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>then though, it SHOULD read gwPc - Past Colerado
>>>
>>>
>>where's Colerado?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Close to Montaner and Wyomink. ;-)
>
>
>

just a bit sowf of Wyomink, akcherly!

reg

squaredancer

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Sep 18, 2006, 11:15:33 AM9/18/06
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On 18.09.2006 01:21, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Ron Hunter to
generate the following:? :

yepp - I know.... he offered to sell it to me about 3 years ago...

reg

Tim Judd

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Sep 19, 2006, 12:17:21 AM9/19/06
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Dan, Honestly...

I appreciate your honesty that you think you're an idiot. It makes it
easier for me to say it to you too! :)

Dan, I know you try hard, and you're trying to help other people.
Helping others is a very difficult thing to do, and I want to thank you
for trying, but if you don't have concrete knowledge and proof of what
you're saying, it's best to keep the mouth shut (or in the subject of
usenet, keep the fingers off the keyboard)..


Thank you for trying Dan, keep trying, and you may get there.

--TJ

John McWilliams

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Sep 19, 2006, 1:35:47 AM9/19/06
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John Doue wrote:
> gwtc wrote:
>> squaredancer wrote:

Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.


[TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.

--
John McWilliams

gwtc

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Sep 19, 2006, 1:47:23 AM9/19/06
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John McWilliams wrote:
> John Doue wrote:
>> gwtc wrote:
>>> squaredancer wrote:
>
> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>
>
> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>
sorry, but you're not the sheriff on these newsgroups. Only Chris I
can say that.

--
Pic of the Day: New Campbell's Soup:
http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=creamofspamnx1.jpg

Chris Ilias

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Sep 19, 2006, 2:15:58 AM9/19/06
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_gwtc_ spoke thusly on 19/09/2006 1:47 AM:

> John McWilliams wrote:
>
>> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>>
>> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>
> sorry, but you're not the sheriff on these newsgroups. Only Chris I can
> say that.

Thread is dead. Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
--
Chris Ilias
mozilla.test.multimedia moderator
Mozilla links <http://ilias.ca>
(Please do not email me tech support questions)

Jay Garcia

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Sep 19, 2006, 9:46:55 AM9/19/06
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On 19.09.2006 00:47, gwtc wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> John McWilliams wrote:
>> John Doue wrote:
>>> gwtc wrote:
>>>> squaredancer wrote:
>>
>> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>>
>>
>> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>>
> sorry, but you're not the sheriff on these newsgroups. Only Chris I
> can say that.
>

You don't have to be the sheriff to say "please ....."

gwtc

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Sep 19, 2006, 12:27:34 PM9/19/06
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Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 19.09.2006 00:47, gwtc wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>> John Doue wrote:
>>>> gwtc wrote:
>>>>> squaredancer wrote:
>>> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>>>
>> sorry, but you're not the sheriff on these newsgroups. Only Chris I
>> can say that.
>>
>
> You don't have to be the sheriff to say "please ....."
>
then who gives him, or even Chris for that matter, the right to close
threads. Since when was that established

--
There's this fella with a parrot. And this parrot swears like an old
salt, I mean he's a pistol. He can swear for five minutes straight
without repeating himself. Trouble is, the guy who owns him is a
quiet, conservative type, and the bird's foul mouth is driving him
nuts. One day, it just gets to be too much and the guy grabs the bird
by the throat, shakes him really hard, and yells, "QUIT IT!" But this
just makes the bird mad and he swears more than ever. Then the guy
gets angry and says, "OK for you," and locks the bird in a kitchen
cabinet. This really aggravates the bird and he claws and scratches,
and when the guy finally lets him out, the bird cuts loose with a
stream of vulgarities that would make a sailor blush. At that point,
the guy is so mad that he throws the bird into the freezer. For the
first few seconds there is a terrible din. The bird kicks and claws
and thrashes. Then it suddenly gets very quiet. At first the guy just
waits, but then he starts to think that the bird may be hurt. After a
couple of minutes of silence, he's so worried that he opens up the
freezer door. The bird meekly climbs onto the man's outstretched arm
and says, "Awfully sorry about the trouble I gave you. I'll do my best
to improve my vocabulary from now on." The man is astounded and amazed
at the transformation that has come over the parrot. Then the parrot
says, . . . to be continued

Moz Champion (Dan)

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Sep 19, 2006, 12:32:10 PM9/19/06
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gwtc wrote:
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 19.09.2006 00:47, gwtc wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>>> John Doue wrote:
>>>>> gwtc wrote:
>>>>>> squaredancer wrote:
>>>> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>>>>
>>> sorry, but you're not the sheriff on these newsgroups. Only Chris I
>>> can say that.
>>>
>>
>> You don't have to be the sheriff to say "please ....."
>>
> then who gives him, or even Chris for that matter, the right to close
> threads. Since when was that established
>

He made a statement. Thread is Dead. He then asked you PLEASE to take it
elsewhere. Whats wrong with that?


I often mark threads OT - or request that people bottom post, its done
with courtesy and an appeal to decorum. Just as Chris does, or John did.

squaredancer

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Sep 19, 2006, 4:59:25 PM9/19/06
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On 19.09.2006 07:35, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused John
McWilliams to generate the following:? :

>John Doue wrote:
>
>
>>gwtc wrote:
>>
>>
>>>squaredancer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>
>Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>
>
>[TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>
>
>

'tis the OP's privilege to "declare this thread closed"

reg

gwtc

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Sep 19, 2006, 5:39:47 PM9/19/06
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unfortunately reg, the guidelines don't say who can close a thread:
http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html

--
There's this fella with a parrot. And this parrot swears like an old
salt, I mean he's a pistol. He can swear for five minutes straight
without repeating himself. Trouble is, the guy who owns him is a
quiet, conservative type, and the bird's foul mouth is driving him
nuts. One day, it just gets to be too much and the guy grabs the bird
by the throat, shakes him really hard, and yells, "QUIT IT!" But this
just makes the bird mad and he swears more than ever. Then the guy
gets angry and says, "OK for you," and locks the bird in a kitchen
cabinet. This really aggravates the bird and he claws and scratches,
and when the guy finally lets him out, the bird cuts loose with a
stream of vulgarities that would make a sailor blush. At that point,
the guy is so mad that he throws the bird into the freezer. For the
first few seconds there is a terrible din. The bird kicks and claws
and thrashes. Then it suddenly gets very quiet. At first the guy just
waits, but then he starts to think that the bird may be hurt. After a
couple of minutes of silence, he's so worried that he opens up the
freezer door. The bird meekly climbs onto the man's outstretched arm
and says, "Awfully sorry about the trouble I gave you. I'll do my best
to improve my vocabulary from now on." The man is astounded and amazed
at the transformation that has come over the parrot. Then the parrot

says, . . . to be continued

Chris Ilias

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Sep 19, 2006, 7:52:11 PM9/19/06
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_squaredancer_ spoke thusly on 19/09/2006 4:59 PM:

> 'tis the OP's privilege to "declare this thread closed"

This ain't secnews.

Jay Garcia

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Sep 19, 2006, 8:53:33 PM9/19/06
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On 19.09.2006 11:27, gwtc wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 19.09.2006 00:47, gwtc wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>>> John Doue wrote:
>>>>> gwtc wrote:
>>>>>> squaredancer wrote:
>>>> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>>>>
>>> sorry, but you're not the sheriff on these newsgroups. Only Chris I
>>> can say that.
>>>
>>
>> You don't have to be the sheriff to say "please ....."
>>
> then who gives him, or even Chris for that matter, the right to close
> threads. Since when was that established
>

[TID] when it was invented by Bill Horne (retired Champion) was meant
only to flag a thread that had deteriorated into one that is considered
off-topic henceforth. It wasn't meant to "close" a thread.

Jay Garcia

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Sep 19, 2006, 8:55:45 PM9/19/06
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On 19.09.2006 16:39, gwtc wrote:

--- Original Message ---

> squaredancer wrote:
>> On 19.09.2006 07:35, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused John
>> McWilliams to generate the following:? :
>>
>>> John Doue wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> gwtc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> squaredancer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 'tis the OP's privilege to "declare this thread closed"
>>
>> reg
> unfortunately reg, the guidelines don't say who can close a thread:
> http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html
>

Nobody I know of "closed" the thread, just declared it dead, as in
off-topic to the nth degree.

John McWilliams

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Sep 19, 2006, 11:06:17 PM9/19/06
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Jay Garcia wrote:

> On 19.09.2006 16:39, John McWilliams wrote; gwtc wrote; squaredancer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> Please take this to moz.gen. or e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [TID] (This) thread is dead, as bh used to say.

>>>>
>>> 'tis the OP's privilege to "declare this thread closed"
>>>
>>> reg
>> unfortunately reg, the guidelines don't say who can close a thread:
>> http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html
>>
>
> Nobody I know of "closed" the thread, just declared it dead, as in
> off-topic to the nth degree.

Or the square of the nth. IAE, I didn't declare it closed, as I have no
power to do so, and if I did, I wouldn't exercise it in this case.

But it's moribund, at the least.

--
john mcwilliams

Herb

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Sep 20, 2006, 2:58:53 AM9/20/06
to
On 17.09.2006 02:37 UK Time, Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
>> "Spam Bait" <spambai...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:1158429911.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>> Is there any designation (like the MS MVP for MS products)
>>> that a 'real' knowledgeable FF expert can put in their
>>> signature to let newsgroup posters know that the advise is
>>> coming from someone who is verified to 'really know' how to
>>> troubleshoot FF problems and give advise??
>>>
>>> Getting leery about following other novice's 'best guess'
>>> advise regarding problem fixes.
>>>
>>> If there isn't one, there needs to be one. FF expert
>>> designation, that is.
>>
>> That would be the Champions: Jay Garcia and Chris Ilias are the two
>> most frequently seen here.
>>
>
> Hi Chris, I'm back as well!
>
> Lee
>

Great to see you back, Lee - as others have already indicated, we missed
you!

And by the way, another eminent list member is Ed Mullen, who appears to
have had a brief Champion interlude before retiring again =-O

--
Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

Teflon

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Sep 23, 2006, 9:28:43 PM9/23/06
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squaredancer wrote:


> 'tis the OP's privilege to "declare this thread closed"

Is it too late to make that declaration, or has rigor mortis set in?

Thanks to those who clarified what a 'Champion' is, and a special
thanks to all who are.

I hereby declare this thread closed.

Teflon

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Sep 23, 2006, 9:32:32 PM9/23/06
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p.s. To clear up any confusion, in a former incarnation, I used the
nickname Spam Bait (the OP of this thread), but then I found out how
good the gmail spam filters work, so I changed my nickname to Teflon.

John McWilliams

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Sep 24, 2006, 1:48:02 AM9/24/06
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Thanks for the clarification, and your permission to finally put to
rest this thread, although no rights or privileges accrue to OP's to do
so except on their private servers, in spite of declaration to the
contrary.....

As you have seen, there's a range of expertise and willingness to share
same in an even handed manner both among Champions, former Champions,
regular users, and sporadic members. Observation is helpful, but there
are no senior citizen tests, unlike drivers' licenses in California, so
you pays your money and takes yer choice often.

--
John McWilliams
formerly:
Netscape Champion

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