bookmarks
sherry
not program them like they used to be in netscape.
Moz Champion (Dan)
> I'll never get used to these satanic bookmarks. too bad someone could
> not program them like they used to be in netscape.
Simply Bookmark this Page Cntrl D (same as it was in Netscape)
Then when you want to go back there, select if from the menu (same as it
was in Netscape)
So what's so difficult to get used to?
sherry
showing. then when I bookmark a page it goes into a folder I named
under my bookmark folders. simple.
Fox on the run
That might have worked when there were only a few dozen sites one
might have bookmarked. But these days it is not unheard of for people
to have a few hundred bookmarks or more. Using sub-folders is a
logical way to organize them. But you don't have to do that. You can
still hit Ctrl-D as was mentioned and accept the default - Bookmark
Folder. Thus all your bookmarks will be listed under the main
bookmarks section. There are much more efficient ways to leverage
bookmarks. However you are still able to use it in its most basic
form. In that sense it can still works like it always has. Is there
something we are missing in how you want your bookmarks to work?
Doesn't Ctrl-D and accepting the default "Bookmark Menu" yield the
results you desire?
JB
Moz Champion (Dan)
Um, if you simply select the folder you want in the save Bookmark
dialogue, then all future bookmarkings will go to that folder, there is
no need to use the default bookmark folder if you don't want to.
To do what Sherry wants, it's simple
Bookmarks-->Organize Bookmarks
Select Bookmarks Menu
Select 'New Folder' from the menu button (2nd from the left) on the window
name the folder "Sherry's Bookmarks"
That folder will now appear in the Bookmark Menu
You can move existing bookmarks into it if you wish
Now, select a site to bookmark
In the new bookmark dialogue select the new folder "Sherry's Bookmarks"
using the downward pointing triangle beside the folder entry
select the folder you want and then select the upward pointing triangle
beside it (this moves "Sherry's Bookmarks" into the default postion)
Now select another site to Bookmark.. <POOF> it will automatically have
"Sherry's Bookmarks" pre-selected as the destination.
That, I think is what Sherry wants
Fox on the run
wrote:
I suspected that was the case but didn't bother to test that behaviour
so didn't mention it. Plus I didn't see the need to create a sub-
folder if all you were going to do was dump everything into the same
one anyhow. Just as well dump everything at the root and dispense
with having to navigate to the sub-folder to see your bookmarks.
Either way, it still does what it always did. Not clear on what it is
Sherry wants to do that she believes she no longer can do.
JB
sherry
bookmark this page, subscribe to this page, search for duplicates,
bookmark all tabs, organize bookmarks, bookmarks toolbar, recently
bookmarked and recent tags.
then I see my folder with my name where all my sub folders are located
inside. I want just my folder with my name to show and be able to add
sub folders to my folder.
Moz Champion (Dan)
If you have sub folders then there will be a right pointing arrow for
the folder in the Bookmark menu, use the mouse and hover over the folder
and another window opens up showing all the sub folders
If you want to add a sub folder
Bookmarks-->Organize Bookmarks
Select the folder you want to make sub folders in
and select New Folder
Name the folder
Fox on the run
It's possible that you could do that using styles but I'm not sure.
It's not something that I use but I have seen posting by others about
using styles to change the look/feel of the browser menus. Having
said that, it's 4 options that appear above your bookmarks. It
doesn't change how you can use your bookmarks. It simply provides
other ways to manage them if you so desire (but you can choose to
ignore).
Nevertheless if it's something you would rather change, hopefully
someone who is more familiar with using styles will respond with a tip
on how to do that so that you can tweak FF 3 to provide you with the
end user experience you desire.
JB.
sherry
Big_Al
This is not a total fix, but I've loaded the extension stylish, and then
within stylish loaded some style that removes some of the extras in
bookmarks. What is below has been modified for my own use.
It looks like this (between the horizontal lines):
--------------------------------------------
menuitem[id="subscribeToPageMenuitem"],
menuitem[command="Browser:BookmarkAllTabs"],
menu[id="bookmarksToolbarFolderMenu"] + menuseparator
{
display: none !important;
}
-----------------------------------------------
You could cut and past into stylish if you wanted to.
It removes some of the extras 'subscribe to this page' and 'bookmark all
tabs' and I think one of the --------- dividers. You might try this
and see if it reduces enough to make it usable. It was one of the
first complaints I had about version 3.x And if you catch onto how
this works you might even be able to take this to an extreme and get rid
of more?
Remember I'm doing this in FF3. I don't see you mentioning which
version you are complaining about. I don't know if any of this works
in FF2.
John Doue
It must be FF3 Sherry is complaining about. I am glad to learn there is
a way (which I will need to figure out) to do some cleaning in this menu.
Decidedly, bookmarks in FF3 (and on the Seamonkey newsgroup, with
regards to the future version 2 which will certainly copycat the FF
system) are a recurrent subject of frustration but I have found it is
not good form to try and convey the idea to developers that their
approach is not as user friendly (and as reliable) as they think.
Your approach would at least help clean the interface. Thanks. Any
further explanation on the Script you posted would be welcome.
--
John Doue
Big_Al
found about 8 things to load into it to correct items I don't like.
Obviously others are doing all the work for me. I'm retired now and
used to program so I want to take a look at this in more detail.
I don't remember the original script but IIRC it was to remove the
'bookmark all tabs' entry only. I made a few adjustments, obviously I
can type and I can read and experiment to see what happens but I'm no
where close to knowing why its working. But I'll get there one day! :-)
sherry
I am using ff3. thanks for this info.
John Doue
Thanks. I will may be try to experiment with this add-on. I discovered
the advantages of using usercontent.css files to modify the presentation
of pages when Yahoo came up with the idea that readers should click on
one more field to be able to see a whole article and not the first
lines, which was frustrated. One user posted a script correcting this
and I was amazed this could be done.
As I thought, Sherry confirmed she uses FF3. Of course, to mitigate her
dissatisfaction, she could go back to FF2. It is what I did when I found
out about the new bookmarks system, with the sqlite database.
Regards
--
John Doue
Big_Al
files. The thing I like about stylish is that turning on/off a script
happens instantly. You don't have to restart FF to see it. Making
diagnostic really easy.
Anyway, yes, if you are into editing these css files, sounds like you
should fall right into this. Have fun.
Ron Hunter
But then life is change, so those who don't like change, probably don't
like life, either. You can't make such people happy.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
bookmark a site, I click, and drag from the URL bar, the URL for that
site, and drop in on my bookmarks toolbar in the proper spot in the
hierarchy of folders that are there. All done.
I only look at 'organize bookmarks', or pull down the 'bookmarks' menu
if I need to check something someone has complained about, or I need to
create a new folder within my established hierarchy.
I believe that is called 'being organized'.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
sherry
is one bookmark folder of owners name and be able to add sub folders
as you need them?
»Q«
sherry <sher...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> is there a way to delete or hide the other folders namely:subscribe
> to this page, search for duplicates,
> bookmark all tabs, organize bookmarks, bookmarks toolbar, recently
> bookmarked and recent tags.
"search for duplicates" is one you've added yourself -- change the
prefs of the Bookmark Duplicate Detector extension to get rid of it.
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sherry
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:04:21 -0500
> sherry <sher...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> is there a way to delete or hide the other folders namely:subscribe
>> to this page, search for duplicates,
>> bookmark all tabs, organize bookmarks, bookmarks toolbar, recently
>> bookmarked and recent tags.
>
> "search for duplicates" is one you've added yourself -- change the
> prefs of the Bookmark Duplicate Detector extension to get rid of it.
>
»Q«
Glad to help a little. I think this helps more, along the lines of
what other suggested about using css with the Stylish extension:
@namespace url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);
menuitem[label="Get Bookmark Add-ons"] { display: none !important }
menuitem[label="Bookmark All Tabs…"] { display: none !important }
menuitem[label="Bookmark This Page"] { display: none !important }
menuitem[label="Organize Bookmarks…"] { display: none !important }
menu[label="Subscribe to This Page"] { display: none !important }
menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"] { display: none !important }
menu[label="Recently Bookmarked"] { display: none !important }
menu[label="Recent Tags"] { display: none !important }
#bookmarksMenuPopup > menuseparator { display: none !important }
I think that gets rid of everything you want. I've left them as
individual rules, so you could pick the ones you want. Hiding some
of them (e.g., Organize Bookmarks) may leave you no way to get to
certain features. And note that where an ellipsis appears, it's
the single character "…", not three dots "...".
Ron Hunter
Which is exactly what you HAVE. You just have to make it look that way.
I can't see how this is different from previous versions. Yes, the
database is different, but the result is the same.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
John Doue
Ron, I respect your views but this kind of statement is not very
useful, to say the least. Changes are not good per se, some are good,
some are not, some are indifferent and everyone sees them with his very
own eyes.
--
John Doue
John Doue
Thanks, I will experiment with this and try to make some sense out of it!
--
John Doue
sherry
>>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:04:21 -0500
>>> sherry <sher...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> is there a way to delete or hide the other folders
>>>> namely:subscribe to this page, search for duplicates,
>>>> bookmark all tabs, organize bookmarks, bookmarks toolbar, recently
>>>> bookmarked and recent tags.
>>> "search for duplicates" is one you've added yourself -- change the
>>> prefs of the Bookmark Duplicate Detector extension to get rid of it.
>>
>> thanks
>
> Glad to help a little. I think this helps more, along the lines of
> what other suggested about using css with the Stylish extension:
>
> @namespace url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);
>
> menuitem[label="Get Bookmark Add-ons"] { display: none !important }
> menuitem[label="Bookmark This Page"] { display: none !important }
> menu[label="Subscribe to This Page"] { display: none !important }
> menu[label="Bookmarks Toolbar"] { display: none !important }
> menu[label="Recently Bookmarked"] { display: none !important }
> menu[label="Recent Tags"] { display: none !important }
> #bookmarksMenuPopup > menuseparator { display: none !important }
>
> I think that gets rid of everything you want. I've left them as
> individual rules, so you could pick the ones you want. Hiding some
> of them (e.g., Organize Bookmarks) may leave you no way to get to
> certain features. And note that where an ellipsis appears, it's
>
thank you but I have never been able to get css to do what I want.
I have tried to copy and paste to no avail. I do not know how it works
or where to put the lines. would love to see a website showing step by
step how to place the lines where they need to be.
Ron Hunter
The thing that confuses me about this thread is that I can't see that
any change, at least one that is visible to most users, was made.
Change is a part of life, and while some aren't improvements (like the
current state of the economy), we still have to learn to deal with them.
Perhaps if users would stop complaining about the changes, and just
ask how to deal with them, I wouldn't be on my soapbox so much.... or
maybe not.
In any case, several good suggestions have been made as to how the OP
can deal with the issue, and I hope she will find them useful. I
suspect that she will adjust, in time, perhaps after making some changes
to the setup, and some changes to how she does things. That's the part
people resist the most.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
»Q«
sherry <sher...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> thank you but I have never been able to get css to do what I want.
> I have tried to copy and paste to no avail. I do not know how it
> works or where to put the lines. would love to see a website showing
> step by step how to place the lines where they need to be.
There's a Stylish guide, though rather short, at
<http://userstyles.org/stylish/help>.
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
sherry
all I want to see is bookmark this page, organize bookmarks and my
main folder. nothing else.
»Q«
squaredancer <square...@t-online.de> wrote:
> the new way (FF3.*) to do bookmarks is pretty crappy
> and to expect the user to learn CSS or even SQL is absurdly
> arogant.....
None of that is needed just to organize bookmarks, but she wanted
options removed from her menu, which does take some css.
»Q«
sherry <sher...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Putting all bookmarks in the Bookmarks Menu folder will get what you
want WRT seeing your bookmarks. To get rid of the things you don't
want to see, you'll have to use css and Stylish. (The list of
things you don't want to see keeps changing, but you can pick and
choose from the css rules posted earlier.)
Fox on the run
> »Q« wrote:
> > In <news:DoidneuUo4qa2qzU...@mozilla.org>,
>
> >> thank you but I have never been able to get css to do what I want.
> >> I have tried to copy and paste to no avail. I do not know how it
> >> works or where to put the lines. would love to see a website showing
> >> step by step how to place the lines where they need to be.
>
> > There's a Stylish guide, though rather short, at
> > <http://userstyles.org/stylish/help>.
>
> ok here is what I want: when I click on the bookmark tab on toolbar
> all I want to see is bookmark this page, organize bookmarks and my
> main folder. nothing else.
The only two other ones I see beyond that on a standard FF3 install is
subscribe to this page and bookmark all tabs. I can appreciate that
we all have our preferences on how we want things to look/behave. But
the two extra options atop the menu is not a significant change from
how things were before. Just two new options. Beyond that everything
can still function as it use to function for you. Seems like a lot of
effort will be required (learning CSS & how to use stylish add-on) for
a tweak that will have minimal impact on user experience and gain
minimal real estate space on your screen. To each his (or her) own.
If it's that important to you then you'll dig deeper to figure it
out. Otherwise you'll likely learn to live with it (of course
changing browsers is always an option but I don't get the impression
it's that much of a bother to you that you'd go to that length).
sherry
someone will see the way I want bookmarks as simple as they should be
and write an add on or extention.
sherry
John Doue
Ron,
Yes, it is a fact that often people resist change, when it is imposed to
them by their boss or whoever. But as users of a product they can freely
choose, it is a different concept. People resist Vista because overall,
it is mostly a bad product. Not because it is a new product. Same for
Word 2007.
Here, if you cannot see changes between the way FF2 and FF3 deal with
bookmarks, I suggest you take a hard look and really compare. Both at
the UI level and under the hood, the changes are significant.
I personally don't like FF3 ways with bookmarks and after having
expressed what I thought, instead of complaining, I did the walking with
my fingers ... back to FF2, end of the story.
Sherry clearly has a different view and insists on getting things her
way. I am not blaming her, and I hope she will be able to make good use
of the tips that were given to her (and I cannot help her here, since I
took a more radical approach).
Where I am 100% with you, it is when you say: "we still have to learn to
deal with them". I did it my way, Sherry has to do it her way. At the
end of the day, I hope that all the fuss those FF3 bookmarks have raised
among users will be somehow acknowledged by developers. Making a product
more complex version after version is falling out of fashion. Even MS
seems to acknowledge that fact from what I read of Windows 7.
Regards
--
John Doue
sherry
I do not think I am asking too much of the developers to make it
simple. bookmark tab, bookmark this page, organize bookmarks and my
folder.
David McRitchie
> simple. bookmark tab, bookmark this page, organize bookmarks and my
> folder.
I think nobody told you how to use the Stylish code. You would install
Stylish, drag the Manage Styles onto the toolbar in customize (view, toolbars, customize).
Click on Manage Styles button, click on Write and paste code in.
Stylish is a great extension, the styles that I use are listed at
http://kb.mozillazine.org/User:Dmcritchie
but I wouldn't use it for what you asked for, because I would be doing a
lot more with menus than that..
I would use the "Menu Editor"
extension it is rather large (60kb download), but you can hide/unhide menus
and items and most important can rearrange or hide items within menus,
including copying items from another menu (caution with that), include/remove separators).
Menu Editor :: Firefox Add-ons
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/710
also see
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff.htm
and this one shows my Menu Editor results back quite some time ago
http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff_compare.htm
--
HTH,
David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm
Ron Hunter
That (switching browsers) would mean a LOT more things that wouldn't be
the same, so it doesn't seem like a viable alternative.
I am always in favor of people learning things, should they be motivated
to do things some way other than the way the 'package' presents them,
but there is a cost to that.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
I should point out that the same things were said about Word every time
it was 'updated', and exactly the same thing was said about Windows 95,
and the same thing was said about Windows XP. Some people just DON'T
like changes, and start out with a negative outlook toward them. After
they use them a while, usually because they are left no viable
alternative, then they become accustomed to them, and will resist the
next new version. It's a human thing. I have no experience with Vista,
so I really can't say if it is better, or worse than WinXP. I would
have to use it for some months to make such an evaluation.
> Here, if you cannot see changes between the way FF2 and FF3 deal with
> bookmarks, I suggest you take a hard look and really compare. Both at
> the UI level and under the hood, the changes are significant.
>
I know the under the hood changes are significant, but for all that, the
way I use them hasn't changed one bit, and other than a cosmetic
problem, they work just as they did before, for me, but remember that I
almost NEVER open the Bookmarks menu item.
> I personally don't like FF3 ways with bookmarks and after having
> expressed what I thought, instead of complaining, I did the walking with
> my fingers ... back to FF2, end of the story.
>
Why am I not surprised?
> Sherry clearly has a different view and insists on getting things her
> way. I am not blaming her, and I hope she will be able to make good use
> of the tips that were given to her (and I cannot help her here, since I
> took a more radical approach).
>
At least she recognizes that we sometimes have to go with what is,
rather than what was. Making the new product work the way you want, and
thankfully FF is flexible enough for this, seems the better alternative,
although a bit more effort.
> Where I am 100% with you, it is when you say: "we still have to learn to
> deal with them". I did it my way, Sherry has to do it her way. At the
> end of the day, I hope that all the fuss those FF3 bookmarks have raised
> among users will be somehow acknowledged by developers. Making a product
> more complex version after version is falling out of fashion. Even MS
> seems to acknowledge that fact from what I read of Windows 7.
>
> Regards
>
So, would you suggest they take FF back to, say Netscape 1.2? No java,
no javascript, no flash, no ad blocker, no security, no animated GIFs,
or such? Would you really like the internet that way? If so, I will
try to find the old program for you. Grin.
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
Ron Hunter
> "sherry"
>> I do not think I am asking too much of the developers to make it
>> simple. bookmark tab, bookmark this page, organize bookmarks and my
>> folder.
>
> I think nobody told you how to use the Stylish code. You would install
> Stylish, drag the Manage Styles onto the toolbar in customize (view, toolbars, customize).
> Click on Manage Styles button, click on Write and paste code in.
> Stylish is a great extension, the styles that I use are listed at
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/User:Dmcritchie
> but I wouldn't use it for what you asked for, because I would be doing a
> lot more with menus than that..
>
> I would use the "Menu Editor"
> extension it is rather large (60kb download), but you can hide/unhide menus
> and items and most important can rearrange or hide items within menus,
> including copying items from another menu (caution with that), include/remove separators).
> Menu Editor :: Firefox Add-ons
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/710
> also see
> http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff.htm
> and this one shows my Menu Editor results back quite some time ago
> http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff_compare.htm
>
--
Ron Hunter rphu...@charter.net
sherry
> "sherry"
>> I do not think I am asking too much of the developers to make it
>> simple. bookmark tab, bookmark this page, organize bookmarks and my
>> folder.
>
> I think nobody told you how to use the Stylish code. You would install
> Stylish, drag the Manage Styles onto the toolbar in customize (view, toolbars, customize).
> Click on Manage Styles button, click on Write and paste code in.
> Stylish is a great extension, the styles that I use are listed at
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/User:Dmcritchie
> but I wouldn't use it for what you asked for, because I would be doing a
> lot more with menus than that..
>
> I would use the "Menu Editor"
> extension it is rather large (60kb download), but you can hide/unhide menus
> and items and most important can rearrange or hide items within menus,
> including copying items from another menu (caution with that), include/remove separators).
> Menu Editor :: Firefox Add-ons
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/710
> also see
> http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff.htm
> and this one shows my Menu Editor results back quite some time ago
> http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff_compare.htm
>
to play around and see what happens. thanks again
»Q«
Ron Hunter <rphu...@charter.net> wrote:
> David McRitchie wrote:
> > "sherry"
> >
> > I would use the "Menu Editor"
> > extension it is rather large (60kb download), but you can
> > hide/unhide menus and items and most important can rearrange or
> > hide items within menus, including copying items from another menu
> > (caution with that), include/remove separators). Menu Editor ::
> > Firefox Add-ons https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/710
> > also see
> > http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff.htm
> > and this one shows my Menu Editor results back quite some time ago
> > http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/rightff_compare.htm
>
> Best suggestion yet!
It's not possible to use it to edit the Bookmarks or History menus of
Fx 3.
sherry
David McRitchie
> It's not possible to use it [Menu Editor] to edit the Bookmarks or History menus of
> Fx 3.
Yes it is, at the level that was asked for. In fact you reminded me to
unhide the History menu, as it does have some uses in finding a
previously closed tab, rather than using Ctrl+Shift+T until
find the one wanted. Obviously since it's been hidden for a couple
of years on primary profiles it is really important to me.
I used to hide "History" with chrome [userChrome.css] before I used "Menu Editor".
Perhaps it looks a bit scary but the hiding a main menu is at the
top beside the menu (visible checkbox), restoring everything is at the
bottom (reset) and would stay away from that.
David McRitchie
> Obviously since it's been hidden for a couple
> of years on primary profiles it is really important to me.
of course that was supposed to be "isn't" and now "wasn't"
John Doue
pointless answer. Doing more does not mean more complex. Lots of people
like to have powerful programs without having to get under the hood. I
do not exactly fall into that category, but I respect people who prefer
it this way.
Today, our problem is making coexist all those things you mention - and
others - without conflict and it is getting more and more difficult.
Have you ever wondered what percentage of FF users understand, and
master (assuming they have the time and will to learn), all those
add-ons, extensions, and other things we tend to like here, because we
are mostly enthusiasts? It's got to be a small minority.
Cars today are much much more complex than they were 50 years ago, but
they are way easier to drive, while being safer and more efficient. Why
not remember this and keep an open mind?
--
John Doue
»Q«
"David McRitchie" <nospam@nospam> wrote:
I didn't think she wanted the entire menu hidden, but if she does,
you're right that the Menu Editor extension would work.
What it won't do (yet) is hide individual items in the menu, such as
"Bookmark All Tabs…". I don't know if there's work being done to
implement that for the Bookmarks and History menus or not.
David McRitchie
> What it won't do (yet) is hide individual items in the menu, such as
> "Bookmark All Tabs…". I don't know if there's work being done to
> implement that for the Bookmarks and History menus or not.
This is what is in mine and each menu item can independently be
hidden/unhidden/moved. Menu Editor 1.2.6
Edit menu "Bookmarks" on the dropdown
bookmarks-menuitem-sort
Bookmark All Tabs...
Bookmark This Page...
Organize Bookmarks...
Subscribe to This Page (folder)
Subscribe to This Page
Search for duplicates
»Q«
"David McRitchie" <nospam@nospam> wrote:
I dunno. Maybe it's OS-specific. Here's a snapshot of mine, also Menu
Editor 1.2.6, Fx 3.0.4. I checked it out with a new profile, no other
extensions installed.
<http://remarqs.net/misc/menu-editor-1.2.6.png>
Sherry, I'd give it a shot -- if it works for David, probably it will
work for you.
»Q«
Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:40:47 -0600, »Q« wrote:
>
> > In <news:MICdndan-KbZm6_U...@mozilla.org>,
> > "David McRitchie" <nospam@nospam> wrote:
> >
> >> "»Q«" wrote
> >>> What it won't do (yet) is hide individual items in the menu, such
> >>> as "Bookmark All Tabs…". I don't know if there's work being done
> >>> to implement that for the Bookmarks and History menus or not.
> >>
> >> This is what is in mine and each menu item can independently be
> >> hidden/unhidden/moved. Menu Editor 1.2.6
> >>
> >> Edit menu "Bookmarks" on the dropdown
> >> bookmarks-menuitem-sort
> >> Bookmark All Tabs...
> >> Bookmark This Page...
> >> Organize Bookmarks...
> >> Subscribe to This Page (folder)
> >> Subscribe to This Page
> >> Search for duplicates
> >
> > I dunno. Maybe it's OS-specific. Here's a snapshot of mine, also
> > Menu Editor 1.2.6, Fx 3.0.4. I checked it out with a new profile,
> > no other extensions installed.
> >
> > <http://remarqs.net/misc/menu-editor-1.2.6.png>
>
> I wondered how Menu Editor 1.2.6 worked for David too, and I'm using
> it in Fx 3.0.4. Also tried a new profile here, and found "Menu Mod"
> extension that can hide some Bookmarks menu items, among other things:
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4110>.
>
> New Fx 3.0.4 with Menu Editor 1.2.6 and Menu Mod 2.1 options image:
> <http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228023563.png>.
Thanks very much, Rom. Menu Mod doesn't do everything Menu Editor is
supposed to, but it does everything I want, so I'm switching to that.
Sherry, of all the stuff in this thread so far, Menu Mod looks like
your best option.
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it larger (more ram, more disk space), and somewhat more difficult to
learn to use expertly. Perhaps when computers have been around as long
as cars, we will achieve a similar level of user friendliness.
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David Pyles
with the options that David lists and one with the "not yet implemented"
notice as shown in Q's screen shot. See the image at
http://www.acousticmusic.com/menued.jpg
Dave Pyles
Big_Al
John Doue
Now we are on sync! Thanks
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John Doue
> On 30.11.2008 03:01, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused David
> McRitchie to generate the following:? :
> you may mean well with your suggestions but you are WAY OFF TOPIC,
> considering what the OP wants to do.
> It is absolutely stupid and arogant to expect a normal user to even
> *think* about inserting CSS (or worse - SQL) to do a simple thing like
> "put my bookmarks where I want them".
> Remember that the about:config is "warned against" by the UI - and the
> profile files are hidden.... for a good reason! To PREVENT
> non-superusers from making exactly the changes/entries that you are
> suggesting Sherry should make.
>
> Using the sidebar (or, if it works the same, the Bookmarks Toolbar), as
> was possible up to vers 2.* is what Sherry wants - and it is possible,
> without extensions, CSS or - god forbid - learning SQL
>
> reg
You are leaning my way: given what Sherry wants, going back to FF2
appears to be the reasonable solution, and I cannot see any drawback to
that, on the contrary in this case.
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software that aren't visible to the user. It is these changes that are
often most important, and sufficient reason to resist reverting to an
earlier version if any way can be found to avoid that extreme step.
Worse, unless you are prepared to eschew any further improvements, or
new features (ones you might greatly enjoy), then, at some point, you
still have to move forward, which may be even more of an inconvenience.
Just some things to think about....
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David Pyles
John Doue
changes and improvements, you can live without for quite awhile if you
are not comfortable with the new version. And it may be wise to let the
dust settle, to give time for the new bugs bugs and wrinkles to be
discovered and ironed out.
Same as it is seldom wise to install .0 versions, I personally recommend
discovering what the new version has to offer (after taking the
necessary steps to go back without any trouble, which is very simple in
this case if you know what you are doing) and going back if you are not
satisfied. This is what I did when I tried FF3.
Then, at some later stage, when I feel I know enough about the new
version, when its initial bugs will have been corrected by new versions,
I will proceed exactly as above, and make a new determination.
Doing this has the side benefits to allow time for add-ons I like to
become compatible with the new version. Unless there is a major danger
keeping using a previous version, I think it is wise to let other, more
skilled users experiment while I have the comfort of a trusty version I
like. This until the version has matured and it is more familiar with
experienced users.
I will undoubtedly try again FF3 one day, and this is why I keep a close
watch on the threads here.
But I have refused to move to Vista, and I am very happy I made this
decision since it appears Vista was a repeat of Windows Millenium
Edition and that skipping it saved me a lot of headaches. I bet lots of
people would have like to be spared the experience ... So I keep an open
mind!
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»Q«
David Pyles <non...@user.invalid> wrote:
> In my Menu Editor window there are two listings for "Bookmarks," one
> with the options that David lists and one with the "not yet
> implemented" notice as shown in Q's screen shot. See the image at
> http://www.acousticmusic.com/menued.jpg
I just checked again, and I only have the one listing for Bookmarks.
But I'm glad it works for some of you. :)
David McRitchie
> David Pyles <non...@user.invalid> wrote:
>> In my Menu Editor window there are two listings for "Bookmarks," one
>> with the options that David lists and one with the "not yet
>> implemented" notice as shown in Q's screen shot. See the image at
>> http://www.acousticmusic.com/menued.jpg
>
> I just checked again, and I only have the one listing for Bookmarks.
> But I'm glad it works for some of you. :)
Posted problem with Menu Editor in it's own forum, corrected part of two
listings for "Bookmarks" in a reply afterwards.
http://dlstatusbar.proboards43.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=menuedit&thread=1221
I hope Sherry got a usable reply out of this Reg and Rom posted with "No Archive",
so I'll repeat the other extension posted by Rom that specifically answers
the posted question concerning removing specific bookmark menu items,
if "Menu Editor" extension doesn't work for Sherry.
Menu Mod 2.1 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4110
picture https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4110
sherry
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:58:04 +1100
> Rom <-...@-.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>> In <news:MICdndan-KbZm6_U...@mozilla.org>,
>>> "David McRitchie" <nospam@nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> What it won't do (yet) is hide individual items in the menu, such
helped a great deal. I hope the developers are reading this thread and
takes it into account for the future.
»Q«
"David McRitchie" <nospam@nospam> wrote:
> "»Q«" ...
> > David Pyles <non...@user.invalid> wrote:
> >> In my Menu Editor window there are two listings for "Bookmarks,"
> >> one with the options that David lists and one with the "not yet
> >> implemented" notice as shown in Q's screen shot. See the image at
> >> http://www.acousticmusic.com/menued.jpg
> >
> > I just checked again, and I only have the one listing for Bookmarks.
> > But I'm glad it works for some of you. :)
>
> Posted problem with Menu Editor in it's own forum, corrected part of
> two listings for "Bookmarks" in a reply afterwards.
> http://dlstatusbar.proboards43.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=menuedit&thread=1221
I don't think it matters, but I didn't correct a mistake. After David
Pyles posted that he saw two, I checked mine again in case I had an
extra one and hadn't noticed it before.
In case it does matter, I'm using GNU/Linux, and David Pyles is using
Vista (guessing from his window decorations).
John Doue
Don't hold your breath ...
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David Pyles
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BJ
On 11/30/08 7:22 AM, squaredancer's opinion was expressed:
> It is absolutely stupid and arogant
David can speak for himself, but from what I've seen of his posts I
think he is neither "stupid" nor "arrogant".
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On 11/30/08 7:47 AM, Ron Hunter's opinion was expressed:
> There are always a vast number of improvements to each version of
> software that aren't visible to the user. It is these changes that are
> often most important, and sufficient reason to resist reverting to an
> earlier version if any way can be found to avoid that extreme step.
> Worse, unless you are prepared to eschew any further improvements, or
> new features (ones you might greatly enjoy), then, at some point, you
> still have to move forward, which may be even more of an inconvenience.
> Just some things to think about....
Good argument . . . my compliments.
What you're basically saying in the last few sentences is get the "pain"
over with now because it will be greater later.
BJ
On 12/2/08 8:07 AM, BJ's opinion was expressed:
> Regarding the thread titled: "Re: bookmarks"
>
> On 11/30/08 7:47 AM, Ron Hunter's opinion was expressed:
>
>> There are always a vast number of improvements to each version of
>> software that aren't visible to the user. It is these changes that
>> are often most important, and sufficient reason to resist reverting to
>> an earlier version if any way can be found to avoid that extreme step.
>> Worse, unless you are prepared to eschew any further improvements, or
>> new features (ones you might greatly enjoy), then, at some point, you
>> still have to move forward, which may be even more of an
>> inconvenience. Just some things to think about....
>
> Good argument . . . my compliments.
Though John D. makes sense too.
Compliments to you both I guess, though now I'm conflicted over who
makes more sense. But, better to have two good opinions than none at all.
Ron Hunter
> Regarding the thread titled: "Re: bookmarks"
>
> On 11/30/08 7:47 AM, Ron Hunter's opinion was expressed:
>
>> There are always a vast number of improvements to each version of
>> software that aren't visible to the user. It is these changes that are
>> often most important, and sufficient reason to resist reverting to an
>> earlier version if any way can be found to avoid that extreme step.
>> Worse, unless you are prepared to eschew any further improvements, or
>> new features (ones you might greatly enjoy), then, at some point, you
>> still have to move forward, which may be even more of an inconvenience.
>> Just some things to think about....
>
> Good argument . . . my compliments.
>
> What you're basically saying in the last few sentences is get the "pain"
> over with now because it will be greater later.
>
going away, and there will be more of it later.
Certainly there are exceptions, such as when a new version has a
regression that makes it unsuitable for your purposes, or when it breaks
an extension you find necessary for your work, but even in those cases,
upgrading is probably going to become essential at some point in the future.
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John Doue
> Regarding the thread titled: "Re: bookmarks"
>
> On 12/2/08 8:07 AM, BJ's opinion was expressed:
>
>> Regarding the thread titled: "Re: bookmarks"
>>
>> On 11/30/08 7:47 AM, Ron Hunter's opinion was expressed:
>>
>>> There are always a vast number of improvements to each version of
>>> software that aren't visible to the user. It is these changes that
>>> are often most important, and sufficient reason to resist reverting
>>> to an earlier version if any way can be found to avoid that extreme
>>> step. Worse, unless you are prepared to eschew any further
>>> improvements, or new features (ones you might greatly enjoy), then,
>>> at some point, you still have to move forward, which may be even more
>>> of an inconvenience. Just some things to think about....
>>
>> Good argument . . . my compliments.
>
> Though John D. makes sense too.
>
> Compliments to you both I guess, though now I'm conflicted over who
> makes more sense. But, better to have two good opinions than none at all.
>
>
Thanks for the compliment. I do not see how waiting for a new version to
mature - and for the developers to take into account some "suggestions"
- would make the transition harder the day you are ready to make it.
Ideally, you should try the new version and adopt it the day you feel
comfortable with it. The thing is, going back and forth between two
versions - or running both - is not always easy and only advanced users
should do it. For others, holding on for quite awhile probably is the
best approach.
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Ron Hunter
versions have come out, and then has to upgrade.
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The Real Bev
Sure you can, just give us everything we want right now!
What I don't like about the new system is that when I ;Organize; it
shows me three options -- Bookmarks Toolbar, Bookmarks Menu and Unsorted
Bookmarks. Too many choices. I've already organized my bookmarks
myself and mostly what I want to do is edit the name to something I can
recognize, get rid of the "comments", and put it in the category I want.
I invariably choose the option I DON'T WANT.
The other thing I do is dig through the pile of unsorted bookmarks at
the end and move each one to its proper category. Just FINDING the
proper category is a nuisance. And not having the new bookmark show up
in the html version (my home page) until I restart FF is a pain.
Aside from that, no problem! I just don't see why they needed to
complexify the process.
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clay
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>>...
>> Something changed. Some people just don't like changes.
>> But then life is change, so those who don't like change, probably
>> don't like life, either. You can't make such people happy.
>
> Sure you can, just give us everything we want right now!
>
> What I don't like about the new system is that when I ;Organize; it
> shows me three options -- Bookmarks Toolbar, Bookmarks Menu and Unsorted
> Bookmarks. Too many choices. I've already organized my bookmarks
> myself and mostly what I want to do is edit the name to something I can
> recognize, get rid of the "comments", and put it in the category I want.
>
...
Well... If you're just doing one, right click it, fix it, then drag it
where you want it.
No need to open the silly orzaganizer.
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>...
>>> Something changed. Some people just don't like changes.
>>> But then life is change, so those who don't like change, probably
>>> don't like life, either. You can't make such people happy.
>>
>> Sure you can, just give us everything we want right now!
>>
>> What I don't like about the new system is that when I ;Organize; it
>> shows me three options -- Bookmarks Toolbar, Bookmarks Menu and Unsorted
>> Bookmarks. Too many choices. I've already organized my bookmarks
>> myself and mostly what I want to do is edit the name to something I can
>> recognize, get rid of the "comments", and put it in the category I want.
>>
>> I invariably choose the option I DON'T WANT...
>
> Well... If you're just doing one, right click it, fix it, then drag it
> where you want it.
> No need to open the silly orzaganizer.
I've got 3600 of them. Accordingly, unless I enable stylish, which had
annoying side-effects (can't remember what, I should keep notes) last
time, it takes forever to get to the bottom. I'll give it a shot again.
Maybe I'll be more tolerant this time.