avatars in reps portal ..

[Robert DC. Reyes]

Hello fellow Mentors!

I was browsing through the Reps Portal and noticed that there are quite a
number of Reps displaying oddly looking avatars (not to mention cartoon
characters) and some are still using the default ReMo logo avatar.

Remember that being part of the ReMo Program, we are the face of Mozilla
that one's locale see. We often point people to the Reps Portal to check on
events and even to show the authenticity of us, being Reps.

How can we show other people that we mean business and that we are serious
in what we are doing if we don't have an updated Reps Portal profile, at
the very least?

Thanks!


Best regards,


Robert "Bob" Reyes
Mozilla Reps Council Member,
Mozilla Representative (PHL),
& Regional Localization Leader
http://www.bobreyes.com

[Eusebio Barrun Jr.]

The first rep is noticeable using an avatar is from Albania, the system
sort it by country. I hope we can tell our mentees to replace it with a
real decent human photo.

I haven't scan everything from A-Z
If mentors will permit other mentors to contact those using avatars for
replacement.

[Majda Nafissa Rahal]

One of my mentees has a Tux as profile picture. I've ask him multiple times
to change it to his actual photo but he's simply not comfortable with that.

We can surely ask or remind our mentees about it but I don't think we can
oblige them, unless there is a formal "rule" that says all reps need a real
pic of themselves as profile picture (even with this, there will still be
people uncomfortable with it).

My two cents.

Majda

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[Rubén Martín]

Hi,

Some reps expressed time ago that they don't want to upload their photo to
a third party website and that once the reps portal allows uploading
photos, they will do.

Regards.
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Rubén Martín (Nukeador)
Mozilla Reps Mentor
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[Majken Connor]

It is a formal rule, decided by provisional council.

Is there a bug for work on hosting avatars ourselves? I don't recall if we
discussed concerns with libravatar itself, not sure myself why people
wouldn't be comfortable using it.
On May 23, 2013 7:20 AM, "Rubén Martín" <nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org>
wrote:

[Pierros Papadeas]

Not hosting the avatars is a Dev and UX decision taken early on in the
portal. I would not be comfortable with changing that.
Libravatar is built by mozillians and has nice ToS.

Maybe enforce the rule and deal with concerns one by one?

~P

[Arturo Martinez]

I think that Reps are a public face of Mozilla, so by extension, our
face must be public too to let others find us easily.

--
Arturo Martinez
Mozilla Representative
https://reps.mozilla.org/u/thephoenixbird/
Twitter: @thephoenixbird <http://twitter.com/thephoenixbird>

[Lukas Blakk]

I second that, there are so many times we deal with people in non-face2face methods (irc, email, etc) so being able to go look at a picture to see who you are interacting with is very useful and then you can track them down to say hi at a summit!

-Lukas

[Rubén Martín]

Hi,

I've just remember this topic. One of my mentees don't want to have his
photo on a external server and that's the reason he keeps refusing
setting up an avatar.

I would personally prefer Reps portal to host the photos but... the reps
agreement talks about this "you agree to share your public image
representing mozilla?".

Regards.

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Rubén Martín [Nukeador]
Mozilla Reps Mentor
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[Majken Connor]

Do you know what the specific issues are with having the image on an
external server?

We did decide early on (when you and I were on council) that Reps had to be
willing to be the faces of Mozilla, I don't see making an exception for
this, but I wouldn't mind understanding his objections better.



On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Rubén Martín
<nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org>wrote:

[Rubén Martín]

Quote:

"I have no intention of subscribing to libravatar. Once you let people
upload their photo on
reps.mozilla.org directly or use the one they already have for their
profile on wiki.mozilla.org you'll have mine published. Until then, I
don't want to put it on a third party website, no matter what."

[Ioana Chiorean]

Hey,
I am wondering then what is his statement when having an event as Rep
and people want to take photo sof him or write about him.. on third
party website..

Ioana

[Henrik Mitsch]

Hi fellow mentors,

do we want to create a culture where we talk to each other in such language? Personally, I consider the "no matter what" phrase a very tough statement.

I know that I am a bit of a hard-liner myself, though.

Did we also try to understand why this Rep is so strongly opposed to 3rd party sites? Did we explain why we currently use the solution we use?

Maybe it's a case of misalignment between intentions and underlying values? It might be helpful to explain our intentions in a thorough way?

Regards,
Henrik




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[Regnard Raquedan]

Hey folks!

On one hand, I do like to see more accurate photos of Reps on the portal,
but I'm mindful of adding another "rule" people have to follow.

Why not give people the incentive to place their own photo? Like profile
completeness (including avatar) lets the Rep request for budget and swag
over USD 500. This would be easy to implement since Mentors look at the
event page when making the initial budget review anyway.

The above proposal is not final, but my idea is to let people enjoy the
benefits if they play ball, and there's some freedom to what people can do.

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[Rubén Martín]

El 08/07/13 11:55, Henrik Mitsch escribió:

> Did we also try to understand why this Rep is so strongly opposed to 3rd party sites? Did we explain why we currently use the solution we use?
>
> Maybe it's a case of misalignment between intentions and underlying values? It might be helpful to explain our intentions in a thorough way?

Yes, the reasons were explained, I can try again but I can understand to
some point people than don't want other than mozilla to host their
personal image/photo, the same reason don't want their photos on FB or so.

For that reason I was asking if the rep agreement should include that
sometimes you would need to share your image with third parties.

In any case, I've been always in favour of reps portal to host the
photos directly.

[William Duyck]

Hey all,

If I'm not mistaken libravatar was chosen very carefully taking into
account their privacy policy etc, and to ensure it didn't sway too far from
our own. I can understand not wanting to put their stuff on random
third-party sites by libravatar was carefully picked. Also, what about
photos of them from events? It is an interesting point.

I do like the incentive idea though rather than yet another rule.

FuzzyFox


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[Arturo Martinez]

Seriously, as many has stated already on this topic, if you dont want your photos to be posted around internet, how do you pretend to be a "public face" of Mozilla? Many of our pictures are used on campaings on several websites and posted around the web.

Are you going to enter a hall were you are going to give a talk and tell the audience: "Please dont take pictures of me! i dont want them uploaded to 3rd party sites! if you do i will SUE YOU ALL!!!"

Maybe im being a bit too harsh, and its just that the guy doesnt really want his "data" not "pictures" uploaded to any other server than the mozilla ones, since as he states, its not like he refuses to upload a picture, but to upload it to a 3rd party not related to Mozilla.

So as Henrik/WilliamD said, why not explain him why we choose libravatar and why Mozilla trust them, so could he trust us?

BTW, i cant find the privacy policy on the libravatar website.

About the budget limit for not having a complete profile, for me is not good, why do we have to limit the access of one of Reps resources because someone have failed to comply with their first steps as a Mozilla rep? according to the Mentoring SOP [1] if you do not complete your "First Task as a Mozilla Rep" then the mentor shouldnt approve any budget/swag until they do it, if the apprentice refuses then, there is a BLOCKER issue that need to be addressed, not a new rule to be created.

I would like to propose to review the Reps Agreement on the next ReMo Camp.


[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SOPs/Mentoring/Orientation