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XioNoX
Apr 30, 2012, 11:29:51 AM4/30/12
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Hi,
I couldn't find a better place to post this so please redirect me if
I'm wrong :)
A couple of communities have been asking if the community hosting
project[1] could be used to host emails for local communities as it's
usually a complex task.
This is indeed possible, but we first need to know how many
communities/email accounts that would imply to find the best option.
If you have any ideas, suggestions, feedbacks, etc reply to this email.
If you're interested now (or might within the next year), please
answer the following poll [2]
[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/MCS:Hosting
[2]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHdScWJoaUhsS1VyZEJqZlY4YXRNaWc6MQ&ifq
--
Arzhel
I couldn't find a better place to post this so please redirect me if
I'm wrong :)
A couple of communities have been asking if the community hosting
project[1] could be used to host emails for local communities as it's
usually a complex task.
This is indeed possible, but we first need to know how many
communities/email accounts that would imply to find the best option.
If you have any ideas, suggestions, feedbacks, etc reply to this email.
If you're interested now (or might within the next year), please
answer the following poll [2]
[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/MCS:Hosting
[2]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHdScWJoaUhsS1VyZEJqZlY4YXRNaWc6MQ&ifq
--
Arzhel
Soumya Deb
Apr 30, 2012, 3:45:25 PM4/30/12
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This is not an optional feature - this is almost a necessity.
The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50 in
general (or that's what I guess).
//CC'ing MCS.
> _______________________________________________
> reps-general mailing list
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
>
--
*Soumya Deb*
Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
Open Source Evangelist
http://www.soumyadeb.net
The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50 in
general (or that's what I guess).
//CC'ing MCS.
> reps-general mailing list
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
>
--
*Soumya Deb*
Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
Open Source Evangelist
http://www.soumyadeb.net
Majken Connor
Apr 30, 2012, 3:49:06 PM4/30/12
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I like the idea of aliases.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not an optional feature - this is almost a necessity.
>
> The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
> community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
> contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
> sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
>
> The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50 in
> general (or that's what I guess).
>
> //CC'ing MCS.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not an optional feature - this is almost a necessity.
>
> The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
> community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
> contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
> sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
>
> The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50 in
> general (or that's what I guess).
>
> //CC'ing MCS.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
João Angelo de Franco
Apr 30, 2012, 4:10:10 PM4/30/12
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Hello my friends;
I'm a brazillian rep, and also a team member of Fedora Project.
Actually, the Fedora has a Alias Email System, that uses your login name as
alias (ex. ja...@fedoraproject.org) and mirror it to your community email
(ex. jaf...@gmail.com)
I think that an alias, alongside with the Reps profile, will grant an
oficial status to a rep, and also, a great way to organize our mails and
also our listings.
Best regards;
*João Angelo de Franco*
*Email:* jaf...@gmail.com
*MSN: *joaof...@live.com* or *ja...@fedoraproject.org
*Mozilla Reps: *https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf/
*Articles: *http://www.tiespecialistas.com.br/author/joao-franco/
*Consultant/Auditor - IT, Governance and Information Security*
*Artificial Intelligence Developer*
2012/4/30 Majken Connor <maj...@gmail.com>
> I like the idea of aliases.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is not an optional feature - this is almost a necessity.
> >
> > The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
> > community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
> > contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
> > sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
> >
> > The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50
> in
> > general (or that's what I guess).
> >
> > //CC'ing MCS.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
I'm a brazillian rep, and also a team member of Fedora Project.
Actually, the Fedora has a Alias Email System, that uses your login name as
alias (ex. ja...@fedoraproject.org) and mirror it to your community email
(ex. jaf...@gmail.com)
I think that an alias, alongside with the Reps profile, will grant an
oficial status to a rep, and also, a great way to organize our mails and
also our listings.
Best regards;
*João Angelo de Franco*
*Email:* jaf...@gmail.com
*MSN: *joaof...@live.com* or *ja...@fedoraproject.org
*Mozilla Reps: *https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf/
*Articles: *http://www.tiespecialistas.com.br/author/joao-franco/
*Consultant/Auditor - IT, Governance and Information Security*
*Artificial Intelligence Developer*
2012/4/30 Majken Connor <maj...@gmail.com>
> I like the idea of aliases.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is not an optional feature - this is almost a necessity.
> >
> > The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
> > community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
> > contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
> > sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
> >
> > The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50
> in
> > general (or that's what I guess).
> >
> > //CC'ing MCS.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
Achraf FOUWAD
Apr 30, 2012, 4:12:34 PM4/30/12
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i agree with Majken
On 30/04/2012 21:49, Majken Connor wrote:
> I like the idea of aliases.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is not an optional feature - this is almost a necessity.
>>
>> The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
>> community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
>> contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
>> sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
>>
>> The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50 in
>> general (or that's what I guess).
>>
>> //CC'ing MCS.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
On 30/04/2012 21:49, Majken Connor wrote:
> I like the idea of aliases.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is not an optional feature - this is almost a necessity.
>>
>> The reps/active contributors from each community are supposed to have a
>> community site's email ID, more or less like a badge for their
>> contribution. Now, this email can be an alias, in most of the cases - not
>> sure if it solves anything or increases complexity.
>>
>> The number of emails for a particular community will range within 10-50 in
>> general (or that's what I guess).
>>
>> //CC'ing MCS.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
XioNoX
Apr 30, 2012, 4:45:08 PM4/30/12
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Here we have 2 possibilities (and we can also do both).
1/ We only use a domain like mozilla-communities.org (domain to be defined) and setup aliases to people's regular mail.
That would equal more work for the community sysadmins, finding a way to disable aliases of people who left the project, and probably other things I don't have in mind right now.
2/ Setting up a regular mail server and adding community domains to the server so communities can have regular mailboxes or aliases in @mozilla-mycommunity.org etc... And letting the communities managing their emails/users on their own.
I'd be more tempted to go toward the 2nd way (different domains per communities instead of 1 generic domain).
1/ We only use a domain like mozilla-communities.org (domain to be defined) and setup aliases to people's regular mail.
That would equal more work for the community sysadmins, finding a way to disable aliases of people who left the project, and probably other things I don't have in mind right now.
2/ Setting up a regular mail server and adding community domains to the server so communities can have regular mailboxes or aliases in @mozilla-mycommunity.org etc... And letting the communities managing their emails/users on their own.
I'd be more tempted to go toward the 2nd way (different domains per communities instead of 1 generic domain).
Andi Darmawan
Apr 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM4/30/12
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Hi,
I'm Indonesian rep and also a team member in Ubuntu. Like Joao Angelo
said, I have @ubuntu.com email that is an alias to my gmail account.
If I could make a suggestions, all Mozilla Reps can have an (alias)
email @mozilla-reps.org (domain can be different) to show that they
really are a Mozilla reps. And the communities can still have
hosted/alias email using @mozilla-mycommunity.org (different domains
per communities). So basically both of Xionox idea can be implemented.
But it will be more works for the sysadmins.
Thanks
--
Andi 'Belutz' Darmawan
http://www.belutz.net
I'm Indonesian rep and also a team member in Ubuntu. Like Joao Angelo
said, I have @ubuntu.com email that is an alias to my gmail account.
If I could make a suggestions, all Mozilla Reps can have an (alias)
email @mozilla-reps.org (domain can be different) to show that they
really are a Mozilla reps. And the communities can still have
hosted/alias email using @mozilla-mycommunity.org (different domains
per communities). So basically both of Xionox idea can be implemented.
But it will be more works for the sysadmins.
Thanks
Andi 'Belutz' Darmawan
http://www.belutz.net
João Angelo de Franco
Apr 30, 2012, 10:13:21 PM4/30/12
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That will not require a lot work as it seems.
As I see, only active members have a valid profile o reps
https://reps.mozilla.org.
If it's right, the sysadmins only need to set an automated system, to read
the username (mine is https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf) and alias to
community email in the same profile (again, mine is jaf...@gmail.com).
So, an automated script that capture all the usernames and alias to the
public email, in the same page. Every time a reps step out the script close
the alias. Every new reps, the script set the alias, fully automated.
2012/4/30 Andi Darmawan <andi.d...@gmail.com>
> Hi,
>
> I'm Indonesian rep and also a team member in Ubuntu. Like Joao Angelo
> said, I have @ubuntu.com email that is an alias to my gmail account.
>
> If I could make a suggestions, all Mozilla Reps can have an (alias)
> email @mozilla-reps.org (domain can be different) to show that they
> really are a Mozilla reps. And the communities can still have
> hosted/alias email using @mozilla-mycommunity.org (different domains
> per communities). So basically both of Xionox idea can be implemented.
> But it will be more works for the sysadmins.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:45 AM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I see, only active members have a valid profile o reps
https://reps.mozilla.org.
If it's right, the sysadmins only need to set an automated system, to read
the username (mine is https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf) and alias to
community email in the same profile (again, mine is jaf...@gmail.com).
So, an automated script that capture all the usernames and alias to the
public email, in the same page. Every time a reps step out the script close
the alias. Every new reps, the script set the alias, fully automated.
2012/4/30 Andi Darmawan <andi.d...@gmail.com>
> Hi,
>
> I'm Indonesian rep and also a team member in Ubuntu. Like Joao Angelo
> said, I have @ubuntu.com email that is an alias to my gmail account.
>
> If I could make a suggestions, all Mozilla Reps can have an (alias)
> email @mozilla-reps.org (domain can be different) to show that they
> really are a Mozilla reps. And the communities can still have
> hosted/alias email using @mozilla-mycommunity.org (different domains
> per communities). So basically both of Xionox idea can be implemented.
> But it will be more works for the sysadmins.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:45 AM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
Nukeador
May 2, 2012, 4:59:31 AM5/2/12
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>From my point of view, and I think it was discussed time ago, reps should
have a @reps.mozilla.org or @mozilla.org email address.
Contributors that are not reps should have a @community-domain.org email
(for example I have a @mozilla-hispano.org email). This can change from one
community to another, for example we only give
@mozilla-hispano.orgaccounts to what we call active or core community
contributors, not casual
ones.
Ideally mozilla could set up a server for all community-domain emails and
have the same technology as @mozilla.org emails (zimbra and all stuff).
Regards.
--
Rubén Martín (Nukeador)
Mozilla Reps Council member
http://mozilla-hispano.org
http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano
http://facebook.com/mozillahispano
have a @reps.mozilla.org or @mozilla.org email address.
Contributors that are not reps should have a @community-domain.org email
(for example I have a @mozilla-hispano.org email). This can change from one
community to another, for example we only give
@mozilla-hispano.orgaccounts to what we call active or core community
contributors, not casual
ones.
Ideally mozilla could set up a server for all community-domain emails and
have the same technology as @mozilla.org emails (zimbra and all stuff).
Regards.
--
Rubén Martín (Nukeador)
Mozilla Reps Council member
http://mozilla-hispano.org
http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano
http://facebook.com/mozillahispano
Ramesh Sahu
May 2, 2012, 5:07:46 AM5/2/12
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Hey Nukeador,
I am totally agree with you :)
I am totally agree with you :)
Ramesh Kumar Sahu
Representative
Mozilla Reps
http://www.mozilla.org/contribute
+91 8904768228
________________________________
From: Nukeador <nuke...@mozilla-hispano.org>
To: Mozilla Reps - General <reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Reps-General] Community emails
XioNoX
May 2, 2012, 8:48:49 AM5/2/12
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That's what we're going to do, but my 1st email (and the poll related) is also to know how many communities would like to "outsource" their email to a shared server, so we can get something big enough.
I asked the dev in charge of reps.mozilla.org if it was possible to extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us here shortly.
I asked the dev in charge of reps.mozilla.org if it was possible to extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us here shortly.
Giorgos Logiotatidis
May 2, 2012, 9:12:39 AM5/2/12
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Hi Reps!
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 05:48 -0700, XioNoX wrote:
>
> I asked the dev in charge of reps.mozilla.org if it was possible to
> extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us
> here shortly.
First of all, great initiative. Definitely something that has to be
done. I know that there have been discussions about it and people are
trying to find the best way to implement this.
My part to support this would be related to Mozilla Reps only, and not
mozilla community overall.
As you already mentioned in this thread, our ReMo portal lists all
active reps, and only active reps. Therefore using this list we could
code an automatic alias generation service to both add and remove
aliased as needed.
Currently you can get a list of all active reps and their emails from
the people page, if you look into the source. Thus with a little
scripting you can get a list with username and email combinations.
This will *not* work for long though. On dev server [1] we hide your
email information to anonymous users to protect you from spam. Therefore
the script will have to support browserid login. (Which brings up a nice
question on how to script browserid logins. E.g. for python there is
PyBrowserID [2]).
This second solution (with BrowserID support and parsing the /people
page) will get us through a few months for sure. Ideally I would love to
create a simple API call for you guys, for example
GET http://reps.mozilla.org/api/1/people.json
that would return in a clean and tidy json object all the information
you need. This is in our TODO list, but we don't have an ETA for that
yet.
Let me know that you think about this.
Best,
Giorgos
[1] http://reps-dev.allizom.org
[2] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyBrowserID/
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 05:48 -0700, XioNoX wrote:
>
> I asked the dev in charge of reps.mozilla.org if it was possible to
> extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us
> here shortly.
done. I know that there have been discussions about it and people are
trying to find the best way to implement this.
My part to support this would be related to Mozilla Reps only, and not
mozilla community overall.
As you already mentioned in this thread, our ReMo portal lists all
active reps, and only active reps. Therefore using this list we could
code an automatic alias generation service to both add and remove
aliased as needed.
Currently you can get a list of all active reps and their emails from
the people page, if you look into the source. Thus with a little
scripting you can get a list with username and email combinations.
This will *not* work for long though. On dev server [1] we hide your
email information to anonymous users to protect you from spam. Therefore
the script will have to support browserid login. (Which brings up a nice
question on how to script browserid logins. E.g. for python there is
PyBrowserID [2]).
This second solution (with BrowserID support and parsing the /people
page) will get us through a few months for sure. Ideally I would love to
create a simple API call for you guys, for example
GET http://reps.mozilla.org/api/1/people.json
that would return in a clean and tidy json object all the information
you need. This is in our TODO list, but we don't have an ETA for that
yet.
Let me know that you think about this.
Best,
Giorgos
[1] http://reps-dev.allizom.org
[2] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyBrowserID/
João Angelo de Franco
May 2, 2012, 9:51:24 AM5/2/12
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Hi Giorgios.
One question: since the bugzilla mail is open on
https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf/ for example, and don't need browserid
login, can it be exported as well? So, the basic information for the alias
will be generated without browserid login on the script.
2012/5/2 Giorgos Logiotatidis <gio...@mozilla.com>
> Hi Reps!
>
>
> On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 05:48 -0700, XioNoX wrote:
> >
One question: since the bugzilla mail is open on
https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf/ for example, and don't need browserid
login, can it be exported as well? So, the basic information for the alias
will be generated without browserid login on the script.
2012/5/2 Giorgos Logiotatidis <gio...@mozilla.com>
> Hi Reps!
>
>
> On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 05:48 -0700, XioNoX wrote:
> >
> > I asked the dev in charge of reps.mozilla.org if it was possible to
> > extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us
> > here shortly.
>
>
> > extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us
> > here shortly.
>
>
Giorgos Logiotatidis
May 2, 2012, 10:06:10 AM5/2/12
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That would be hidden using MailHide on next release as well, again to
prevent spam. You'll need to solve a captcha to get the email, so
browserid login is the way to go ;)
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 10:51 -0300, João Angelo de Franco wrote:
> Hi Giorgios.
>
> One question: since the bugzilla mail is open on
> https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf/ for example, and don't need browserid
> login, can it be exported as well? So, the basic information for the alias
> will be generated without browserid login on the script.
>
> 2012/5/2 Giorgos Logiotatidis <gio...@mozilla.com>
>
> > Hi Reps!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 05:48 -0700, XioNoX wrote:
> > >
prevent spam. You'll need to solve a captcha to get the email, so
browserid login is the way to go ;)
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 10:51 -0300, João Angelo de Franco wrote:
> Hi Giorgios.
>
> One question: since the bugzilla mail is open on
> https://reps.mozilla.org/u/jaf/ for example, and don't need browserid
> login, can it be exported as well? So, the basic information for the alias
> will be generated without browserid login on the script.
>
> 2012/5/2 Giorgos Logiotatidis <gio...@mozilla.com>
>
> > Hi Reps!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 05:48 -0700, XioNoX wrote:
> > >
> > > I asked the dev in charge of reps.mozilla.org if it was possible to
> > > extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us
> > > here shortly.
> >
> >
> > > extract automatically the list of the reps. He should get back to us
> > > here shortly.
> >
> >
Soumya Deb
May 3, 2012, 12:55:23 PM5/3/12
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This bug finally makes some sense then:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299#c1>[Provide
Mozilla emails to the active volunteers]
Are we using mozilla.net email IDs for any purpose? For communities &
volunteers, that would be awesome choice then.
It's similarly short & subtle, but yet different than mozilla.org (if
mozilla.org is not appropriate for the same).
Thoughts?
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299#c1>[Provide
Mozilla emails to the active volunteers]
Are we using mozilla.net email IDs for any purpose? For communities &
volunteers, that would be awesome choice then.
It's similarly short & subtle, but yet different than mozilla.org (if
mozilla.org is not appropriate for the same).
Thoughts?
matthew zeier
May 3, 2012, 3:30:46 PM5/3/12
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mozilla.net is reserved for infrastructure purposes. We use it mostly for CDN based hostnames where we won't pollute cookie space or cross security realms. A lot of network hardware (routers) use that hostname as well.
It's not meant for general purpose emails.
There are really two different needs -
* hosting community email (@mozilla-hispano.org, for instance)
* granting some @mozilla email address to contributors
I support both but am focused first on the former.
On May 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Soumya Deb wrote:
> This bug finally makes some sense then:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299#c1>[Provide
> Mozilla emails to the active volunteers]
>
> Are we using mozilla.net email IDs for any purpose? For communities &
> volunteers, that would be awesome choice then.
> It's similarly short & subtle, but yet different than mozilla.org (if
> mozilla.org is not appropriate for the same).
> Thoughts?
--
matthew zeier | Dir. IT Operations | Mozilla | (650)963-8865
It's not meant for general purpose emails.
There are really two different needs -
* hosting community email (@mozilla-hispano.org, for instance)
* granting some @mozilla email address to contributors
I support both but am focused first on the former.
On May 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Soumya Deb wrote:
> This bug finally makes some sense then:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299#c1>[Provide
> Mozilla emails to the active volunteers]
>
> Are we using mozilla.net email IDs for any purpose? For communities &
> volunteers, that would be awesome choice then.
> It's similarly short & subtle, but yet different than mozilla.org (if
> mozilla.org is not appropriate for the same).
> Thoughts?
matthew zeier | Dir. IT Operations | Mozilla | (650)963-8865
João Angelo de Franco
May 3, 2012, 3:34:37 PM5/3/12
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matthew zeier
May 3, 2012, 3:56:11 PM5/3/12
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On May 3, 2012, at 12:34 PM, João Angelo de Franco wrote:
> And if the mail andresses uses @reps.mozilla.com ?
>
> 2012/5/3 matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com>
>
>> mozilla.net is reserved for infrastructure purposes. We use it mostly
>> for CDN based hostnames where we won't pollute cookie space or cross
>> security realms. A lot of network hardware (routers) use that hostname as
>> well.
>>
>> It's not meant for general purpose emails.
>>
>> There are really two different needs -
>> * hosting community email (@mozilla-hispano.org, for instance)
>> * granting some @mozilla email address to contributors
>>
>> I support both but am focused first on the former.
>>
>> On May 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Soumya Deb wrote:
>>
>>> This bug finally makes some sense then:
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299<
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299#c1>[Provide
>>> Mozilla emails to the active volunteers]
>>>
>>> Are we using mozilla.net email IDs for any purpose? For communities &
>>> volunteers, that would be awesome choice then.
>>> It's similarly short & subtle, but yet different than mozilla.org (if
>>> mozilla.org is not appropriate for the same).
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> matthew zeier | Dir. IT Operations | Mozilla | (650)963-8865
>>
Pierros Papadeas
May 4, 2012, 12:39:37 PM5/4/12
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Reps (and other communities) are just a subset of the whole mozilla ecosystem.
I think that creating different aliases (even if used by more than one
communities) will be chaotic too in the future (near future to be
precise)
We need to come up with a holistic approach of the emailing within
mozilla as a huge community owes to do :)
Mozillians and community directory can help us resolve this. One
possible solution would be to give an alias (usable on all web assets
of mozilla) to every vouched user on mozillians. @mozillians.org could
work well, but I can see @mozilla.org being used in the future too for
that (despite the obvious security and it implications we have right
now)
This discussion needs to happen mozilla-wide.
Maybe governance mailing list is the right place for that?
Cheers,
Pierros
I think that creating different aliases (even if used by more than one
communities) will be chaotic too in the future (near future to be
precise)
We need to come up with a holistic approach of the emailing within
mozilla as a huge community owes to do :)
Mozillians and community directory can help us resolve this. One
possible solution would be to give an alias (usable on all web assets
of mozilla) to every vouched user on mozillians. @mozillians.org could
work well, but I can see @mozilla.org being used in the future too for
that (despite the obvious security and it implications we have right
now)
This discussion needs to happen mozilla-wide.
Maybe governance mailing list is the right place for that?
Cheers,
Pierros
Irvin
May 4, 2012, 1:21:03 PM5/4/12
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Please narrowing the problems, or we won’t get an agreement sooner then we all give up.
Reps definitely should have an @reps.mozilla.org email,
in order to community to other organizations and peoples,
@mozillians.org is not enough.
It’s the same reason that we had an reps name card.
Community hosting of email is a big + for communities.
Take us Taiwan community for example, we have @mail.moztw.org for all core contributers by Google Apps since 2006,
it helps a lot for us to identity ourselves when cooperation with local media and other organizations.
in my own opinion, I will consider it as a must have for all communities.
Since Google had shrink the free accounts number of Google Apps,
it’s will be very helpful having an hosting service at Mozilla for the newly friends.
Irvin
--
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moztw.org (http://moztw.org) Mozilla Taiwan community
On 2012年5月5日Saturday at 上午12:39, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
> Reps (and other communities) are just a subset of the whole mozilla ecosystem.
>
> I think that creating different aliases (even if used by more than one
> communities) will be chaotic too in the future (near future to be
> precise)
>
> We need to come up with a holistic approach of the emailing within
> mozilla as a huge community owes to do :)
>
> Mozillians and community directory can help us resolve this. One
> possible solution would be to give an alias (usable on all web assets
> of mozilla) to every vouched user on mozillians. @mozillians.org (http://mozillians.org) could
> work well, but I can see @mozilla.org (http://mozilla.org) being used in the future too for
> > >
> > > > mozilla.net (http://mozilla.net) is reserved for infrastructure purposes. We use it mostly
> > > > > mozilla.org (http://mozilla.org) is not appropriate for the same).
> > > > reps-general mailing list
> > > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > reps-general mailing list
> > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > reps-general mailing list
> > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> reps-general mailing list
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
Reps definitely should have an @reps.mozilla.org email,
in order to community to other organizations and peoples,
@mozillians.org is not enough.
It’s the same reason that we had an reps name card.
Community hosting of email is a big + for communities.
Take us Taiwan community for example, we have @mail.moztw.org for all core contributers by Google Apps since 2006,
it helps a lot for us to identity ourselves when cooperation with local media and other organizations.
in my own opinion, I will consider it as a must have for all communities.
Since Google had shrink the free accounts number of Google Apps,
it’s will be very helpful having an hosting service at Mozilla for the newly friends.
Irvin
--
@ irvinfly: community liaison
moztw.org (http://moztw.org) Mozilla Taiwan community
On 2012年5月5日Saturday at 上午12:39, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
> Reps (and other communities) are just a subset of the whole mozilla ecosystem.
>
> I think that creating different aliases (even if used by more than one
> communities) will be chaotic too in the future (near future to be
> precise)
>
> We need to come up with a holistic approach of the emailing within
> mozilla as a huge community owes to do :)
>
> Mozillians and community directory can help us resolve this. One
> possible solution would be to give an alias (usable on all web assets
> work well, but I can see @mozilla.org (http://mozilla.org) being used in the future too for
> that (despite the obvious security and it implications we have right
> now)
>
> This discussion needs to happen mozilla-wide.
> Maybe governance mailing list is the right place for that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pierros
>
> now)
>
> This discussion needs to happen mozilla-wide.
> Maybe governance mailing list is the right place for that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pierros
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:56 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com (mailto:m...@mozilla.com)> wrote:
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 12:34 PM, João Angelo de Franco wrote:
> >
> > > And if the mail andresses uses @reps.mozilla.com (http://reps.mozilla.com) ?
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 12:34 PM, João Angelo de Franco wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure what the question is. That could be a valid email address but that falls into the second bullet and I'm focused on the first one first :)
> >
> > >
> > > 2012/5/3 matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com (mailto:m...@mozilla.com)>
> > I'm not sure what the question is. That could be a valid email address but that falls into the second bullet and I'm focused on the first one first :)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > mozilla.net (http://mozilla.net) is reserved for infrastructure purposes. We use it mostly
> > > > for CDN based hostnames where we won't pollute cookie space or cross
> > > > security realms. A lot of network hardware (routers) use that hostname as
> > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > It's not meant for general purpose emails.
> > > >
> > > > There are really two different needs -
> > > > * hosting community email (@mozilla-hispano.org (http://mozilla-hispano.org), for instance)
> > > > security realms. A lot of network hardware (routers) use that hostname as
> > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > It's not meant for general purpose emails.
> > > >
> > > > There are really two different needs -
> > > > * granting some @mozilla email address to contributors
> > > >
> > > > I support both but am focused first on the former.
> > > >
> > > > On May 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Soumya Deb wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This bug finally makes some sense then:
> > > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299<
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299#c1>[Provide
> > > > > Mozilla emails to the active volunteers]
> > > > >
> > > > > Are we using mozilla.net (http://mozilla.net) email IDs for any purpose? For communities &
> > > >
> > > > I support both but am focused first on the former.
> > > >
> > > > On May 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Soumya Deb wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This bug finally makes some sense then:
> > > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299<
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705299#c1>[Provide
> > > > > Mozilla emails to the active volunteers]
> > > > >
> > > > > volunteers, that would be awesome choice then.
> > > > > It's similarly short & subtle, but yet different than mozilla.org (http://mozilla.org) (if
> > > > > mozilla.org (http://mozilla.org) is not appropriate for the same).
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > matthew zeier | Dir. IT Operations | Mozilla | (650)963-8865
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > matthew zeier | Dir. IT Operations | Mozilla | (650)963-8865
> > > >
> > > > reps-general mailing list
> > > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > reps-general mailing list
> > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > reps-general mailing list
> > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> reps-general mailing list
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
Nikos Roussos
May 5, 2012, 6:42:40 AM5/5/12
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On May 4, 2012 8:21 PM, "Irvin" <irvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please narrowing the problems, or we won’t get an agreement sooner then
we all give up.
>
> Reps definitely should have an @reps.mozilla.org email,
> in order to community to other organizations and peoples,
> @mozillians.org is not enough.
> It’s the same reason that we had an reps name card.
Narrowing down the problem means we pick a generic simple solution for the
>
> Please narrowing the problems, or we won’t get an agreement sooner then
we all give up.
>
> Reps definitely should have an @reps.mozilla.org email,
> in order to community to other organizations and peoples,
> @mozillians.org is not enough.
> It’s the same reason that we had an reps name card.
whole mozilla community, not just subsets of it.
So I think Pierros suggestion is the way to go. A @mozillians.org email
address (alias) is sufficient for every contributor.
> > > > > reps-general mailing list
> > > > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > reps-general mailing list
> > > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > reps-general mailing list
> > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > reps-general mailing list
> > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
matthew zeier
May 5, 2012, 1:33:20 PM5/5/12
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I think that's still possible to do while providing hosted emails for others.
In the same sense that we have multiple community websites, we can do the same for email. @mozilla-hispano.org, for instance, may decide they still want to use that domain.
In the same sense that we have multiple community websites, we can do the same for email. @mozilla-hispano.org, for instance, may decide they still want to use that domain.
matthew zeier
May 5, 2012, 1:34:41 PM5/5/12
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On May 4, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Irvin <irvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Community hosting of email is a big + for communities.
> Take us Taiwan community for example, we have @mail.moztw.org for all core contributers by Google Apps since 2006,
> it helps a lot for us to identity ourselves when cooperation with local media and other organizations.
> in my own opinion, I will consider it as a must have for all communities.
Sounds like there is a need & a want. Arzhel is tracking that so we can determine what the right technical solution may be.
> Community hosting of email is a big + for communities.
> Take us Taiwan community for example, we have @mail.moztw.org for all core contributers by Google Apps since 2006,
> it helps a lot for us to identity ourselves when cooperation with local media and other organizations.
> in my own opinion, I will consider it as a must have for all communities.
Could very well be the enterprise version of Google Apps or something else.
Majken Connor
May 5, 2012, 2:45:43 PM5/5/12
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I don't know if I agree.
btw at some point I believe we agreed @mozillareps would be the right email
for our program. I do think as part of helping mozilla reps look official
there is a need to have @mozillareps
as for mozilla-wide vs community specific, I think that there is no *need*
for a mozilla-wide community email system. I don't think everyone who gets
vouched for on Mozillians needs an email. I don't think all community
members on specific sites *need* an @theircommunity mail either and it's
pretty simple to set up when you have a fully hosted domain anyway. Though
if the idea here is that it's easier to centralize this on Mozilla's end
rather than setting it up with the hosting then I can see that.
I think the *need* is that there is a static email to reach the leaders of
a community, so maybe denmark@mozillacommunity always exists but depending
on the community's makeup it goes to someone else, so an alias.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like there is a need & a want. Arzhel is tracking that so we can
> > determine what the right technical solution may be.
> >
>
> Having a Mozilla-provided email is the "need", and having
> mozillian/local-community/mozilla.org/reps.mozilla.org emails are the
> "wants".
>
> I figure, having one (hosted) mail ID at mozillian & aliasing it to the
> other ones as/if/when required, would be the best option.
> I would even prefer if one could alias that primary mail ID too (to the
> bugzilla/other-primary email ID), if possible.
btw at some point I believe we agreed @mozillareps would be the right email
for our program. I do think as part of helping mozilla reps look official
there is a need to have @mozillareps
as for mozilla-wide vs community specific, I think that there is no *need*
for a mozilla-wide community email system. I don't think everyone who gets
vouched for on Mozillians needs an email. I don't think all community
members on specific sites *need* an @theircommunity mail either and it's
pretty simple to set up when you have a fully hosted domain anyway. Though
if the idea here is that it's easier to centralize this on Mozilla's end
rather than setting it up with the hosting then I can see that.
I think the *need* is that there is a static email to reach the leaders of
a community, so maybe denmark@mozillacommunity always exists but depending
on the community's makeup it goes to someone else, so an alias.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like there is a need & a want. Arzhel is tracking that so we can
> > determine what the right technical solution may be.
> >
>
> mozillian/local-community/mozilla.org/reps.mozilla.org emails are the
> "wants".
>
> I figure, having one (hosted) mail ID at mozillian & aliasing it to the
> other ones as/if/when required, would be the best option.
> I would even prefer if one could alias that primary mail ID too (to the
> bugzilla/other-primary email ID), if possible.
>
> --
> *Soumya Deb*
> Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
> Open Source Evangelist
> http://www.soumyadeb.net
> --
> *Soumya Deb*
> Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
> Open Source Evangelist
> http://www.soumyadeb.net
Bill
May 5, 2012, 5:24:07 PM5/5/12
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+1
> > --
> > *Soumya Deb*
> > Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
> > Open Source Evangelist
> > http://www.soumyadeb.net
> > *Soumya Deb*
> > Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
> > Open Source Evangelist
> > http://www.soumyadeb.net
XioNoX
May 8, 2012, 2:06:32 PM5/8/12
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We're considering Google Apps for non-profits to provide high availability hosting (email, calendar,etc) for the communities. As it's a quite complicated task to setup and manage email servers (spam, availability, maintenance...).
How do you feel about that?
How do you feel about that?
Irvin
May 8, 2012, 2:25:53 PM5/8/12
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If we ignoring concern on Google’s evil side, that'll be a simple and easy solution,
it has been running fluency on our tw community for several years,
and everybody knows how to use it.
On 2012年5月9日Wednesday at 上午2:06, XioNoX wrote:
> We're considering Google Apps for non-profits to provide high availability hosting (email, calendar,etc) for the communities. As it's a quite complicated task to setup and manage email servers (spam, availability, maintenance...).
> How do you feel about that?
>
> On Saturday, May 5, 2012 11:24:07 PM UTC+2, Bill wrote:
> > +1
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
it has been running fluency on our tw community for several years,
and everybody knows how to use it.
On 2012年5月9日Wednesday at 上午2:06, XioNoX wrote:
> We're considering Google Apps for non-profits to provide high availability hosting (email, calendar,etc) for the communities. As it's a quite complicated task to setup and manage email servers (spam, availability, maintenance...).
> How do you feel about that?
>
> On Saturday, May 5, 2012 11:24:07 PM UTC+2, Bill wrote:
> > +1
> > On May 5, 2012 7:46 PM, "Majken Connor" <maj...@gmail.com (mailto:maj...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know if I agree.
> > >
> > > btw at some point I believe we agreed @mozillareps would be the right email
> > > for our program. I do think as part of helping mozilla reps look official
> > > there is a need to have @mozillareps
> > >
> > > as for mozilla-wide vs community specific, I think that there is no *need*
> > > for a mozilla-wide community email system. I don't think everyone who gets
> > > vouched for on Mozillians needs an email. I don't think all community
> > > members on specific sites *need* an @theircommunity mail either and it's
> > > pretty simple to set up when you have a fully hosted domain anyway. Though
> > > if the idea here is that it's easier to centralize this on Mozilla's end
> > > rather than setting it up with the hosting then I can see that.
> > >
> > > I think the *need* is that there is a static email to reach the leaders of
> > > a community, so maybe denmark@mozillacommunity always exists but depending
> > > on the community's makeup it goes to someone else, so an alias.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Soumya Deb <debl...@gmail.com (mailto:debl...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know if I agree.
> > >
> > > btw at some point I believe we agreed @mozillareps would be the right email
> > > for our program. I do think as part of helping mozilla reps look official
> > > there is a need to have @mozillareps
> > >
> > > as for mozilla-wide vs community specific, I think that there is no *need*
> > > for a mozilla-wide community email system. I don't think everyone who gets
> > > vouched for on Mozillians needs an email. I don't think all community
> > > members on specific sites *need* an @theircommunity mail either and it's
> > > pretty simple to set up when you have a fully hosted domain anyway. Though
> > > if the idea here is that it's easier to centralize this on Mozilla's end
> > > rather than setting it up with the hosting then I can see that.
> > >
> > > I think the *need* is that there is a static email to reach the leaders of
> > > a community, so maybe denmark@mozillacommunity always exists but depending
> > > on the community's makeup it goes to someone else, so an alias.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com (mailto:m...@mozilla.com)> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sounds like there is a need & a want. Arzhel is tracking that so we
> > > can
> > > > > determine what the right technical solution may be.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having a Mozilla-provided email is the "need", and having
> > > > mozillian/local-community/mozilla.org/reps.mozilla.org (http://mozilla.org/reps.mozilla.org) emails are the
> > > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com (mailto:m...@mozilla.com)> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sounds like there is a need & a want. Arzhel is tracking that so we
> > > can
> > > > > determine what the right technical solution may be.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having a Mozilla-provided email is the "need", and having
> > > > "wants".
> > > >
> > > > I figure, having one (hosted) mail ID at mozillian & aliasing it to the
> > > > other ones as/if/when required, would be the best option.
> > > > I would even prefer if one could alias that primary mail ID too (to the
> > > > bugzilla/other-primary email ID), if possible.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *Soumya Deb*
> > > > Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
> > > > Open Source Evangelist
> > > > http://www.soumyadeb.net
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > reps-general mailing list
> > > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > > >
> > > > I figure, having one (hosted) mail ID at mozillian & aliasing it to the
> > > > other ones as/if/when required, would be the best option.
> > > > I would even prefer if one could alias that primary mail ID too (to the
> > > > bugzilla/other-primary email ID), if possible.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *Soumya Deb*
> > > > Twitter: *@Debloper* <http://twitter.com/Debloper>
> > > > Open Source Evangelist
> > > > http://www.soumyadeb.net
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > reps-general mailing list
> > > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > reps-general mailing list
> > > reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > reps-general mailing list
> > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> reps-general mailing list
> reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org (mailto:reps-g...@lists.mozilla.org)
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> reps-general mailing list
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/reps-general
matthew zeier
May 8, 2012, 2:28:53 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Irvin wrote:
> If we ignoring concern on Google’s evil side, that'll be a simple and easy solution,
> it has been running fluency on our tw community for several years,
> and everybody knows how to use it.
The Enterprise Apps version gives you more privacy & security controls that the free versions that Google offers.
Leo McArdle
May 8, 2012, 2:32:01 PM5/8/12
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What's Google's privacy policy like for Apps? Is it part of their
general policy (so they combine your data from other services) or do
they keep all data you have in Google Apps separate?
Apart from that, that sounds like a great idea!
Leo
general policy (so they combine your data from other services) or do
they keep all data you have in Google Apps separate?
Apart from that, that sounds like a great idea!
Leo
Pierros Papadeas
May 8, 2012, 2:32:25 PM5/8/12
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Is the Enterprise Apps in the same tier as the free-for-non-profit version?
~p
~p
matthew zeier
May 8, 2012, 2:38:53 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
> Is the Enterprise Apps in the same tier as the free-for-non-profit version?
It'll be the middle option @ http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html .
matthew zeier
May 8, 2012, 2:44:27 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Leo McArdle wrote:
> What's Google's privacy policy like for Apps? Is it part of their
> general policy (so they combine your data from other services) or do
> they keep all data you have in Google Apps separate?
>
> Apart from that, that sounds like a great idea!
Internally we're looking at using Google Apps for Google Docs. My general feeling is that if Mozilla is fine using this for itself and is aware of the risks/tradeoffs then it should also be a good solution for the Community.
Here's what I sent:
On May 7, 2012, at 2:22 PM, matthew zeier wrote:
> The best I can tell, Google Apps shares some existing policies (privacy for instance). The only relevant link I can find is:
>
> http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=60762
>
> Highlights:
> * Google claims to adhere to the Safe Harbor Program
> * SAS70 type II
Nikos Roussos
May 8, 2012, 4:00:11 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 2012 9:29 PM, "matthew zeier" <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
>
> On May 8, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Irvin wrote:
>
> > If we ignoring concern on Google’s evil side, that'll be a simple and
easy solution,
> > it has been running fluency on our tw community for several years,
> > and everybody knows how to use it.
>
>
> Can you define "evil"?
>
> The Enterprise Apps version gives you more privacy & security controls
that the free versions that Google offers.
Still some people will be reluctant on opening a google (apps) account.
>
>
> On May 8, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Irvin wrote:
>
> > If we ignoring concern on Google’s evil side, that'll be a simple and
easy solution,
> > it has been running fluency on our tw community for several years,
> > and everybody knows how to use it.
>
>
> Can you define "evil"?
>
> The Enterprise Apps version gives you more privacy & security controls
that the free versions that Google offers.
Those people won't be able to participate or collaborate with the rest of
the community. So we have a barrier, and openness is about removing
barriers.
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Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
May 8, 2012, 4:02:23 PM5/8/12
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On 08.05.2012 23:00, Nikos Roussos wrote:
> Still some people will be reluctant on opening a google (apps) account.
> Those people won't be able to participate or collaborate with the rest of
> the community. So we have a barrier, and openness is about removing
> barriers.
+1
> Still some people will be reluctant on opening a google (apps) account.
> Those people won't be able to participate or collaborate with the rest of
> the community. So we have a barrier, and openness is about removing
> barriers.
Tibi
Soumya Deb
May 8, 2012, 4:18:03 PM5/8/12
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If privacy-policies don't hold-back, then this seems to be the best
solution.
Personally, I have near-zero concern regarding this (and no, not that I'm
reluctant about it) - but let's hear out what others say.
Pierros: *Is the Enterprise Apps in the same tier as the
free-for-non-profit version?*
AFAIK, they are exactly the same.
Leo: *...or do they keep all data you have in Google Apps separate?*
They will not coalesce data with other accounts, but will use that
account's data application-wide (docs, calendar, contacts etc.).
solution.
Personally, I have near-zero concern regarding this (and no, not that I'm
reluctant about it) - but let's hear out what others say.
Pierros: *Is the Enterprise Apps in the same tier as the
free-for-non-profit version?*
AFAIK, they are exactly the same.
Leo: *...or do they keep all data you have in Google Apps separate?*
They will not coalesce data with other accounts, but will use that
account's data application-wide (docs, calendar, contacts etc.).
matthew zeier
May 8, 2012, 6:51:37 PM5/8/12
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> Still some people will be reluctant on opening a google (apps) account.
> Those people won't be able to participate or collaborate with the rest of
> the community. So we have a barrier, and openness is about removing
> barriers.
I disagree. You do not have to have a Google Apps account to participate. You only need one if you are asking Mozilla to provide a @mozilla-is-awesome.org email address for you (for example).> Those people won't be able to participate or collaborate with the rest of
> the community. So we have a barrier, and openness is about removing
> barriers.
Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
May 8, 2012, 6:57:36 PM5/8/12
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shared (for convenience) only with Google Apps @mozilla-is-awesome.org
contributors? I guess it affects participation, too. Yoy have to ask to
have it shared to you too.
Tibi
matthew zeier
May 8, 2012, 7:28:28 PM5/8/12
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>
> I am not at all an expert in Google stuff, but what if a Google doc is shared (for convenience) only with Google Apps @mozilla-is-awesome.org contributors? I guess it affects participation, too. Yoy have to ask to have it shared to you too.
Sure that could happen. But what if I shared my google doc to just a few people? You'd have to ask to have it shared to you too.
> I am not at all an expert in Google stuff, but what if a Google doc is shared (for convenience) only with Google Apps @mozilla-is-awesome.org contributors? I guess it affects participation, too. Yoy have to ask to have it shared to you too.
I could pick some other solution for email and you'd still have Google Docs and have to deal with invites to non-public documents. But I'm solving really for hosted email and Google provides a good solution for that.
Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
May 9, 2012, 3:38:52 AM5/9/12
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On 09.05.2012 10:32, Nikos Roussos wrote:
> Btw, I don't think we need real mailboxes. Everyone has already one. Email
> aliases should be enough.
I was about to propose the same thing. E-mail aliases should do.
Tibi
> Btw, I don't think we need real mailboxes. Everyone has already one. Email
> aliases should be enough.
I was about to propose the same thing. E-mail aliases should do.
Tibi
Nukeador
May 9, 2012, 4:52:17 AM5/9/12
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Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra server
for community email/calendar?
for community email/calendar?
XioNoX
May 9, 2012, 11:35:56 AM5/9/12
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On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:52:17 AM UTC+2, Nukeador wrote:
> Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra server
> for community email/calendar?
Much more difficult to deploy/maintain.
> Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra server
> for community email/calendar?
matthew zeier
May 9, 2012, 11:49:08 AM5/9/12
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On May 9, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Nukeador wrote:
> Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra server
> for community email/calendar?
http://blog.mozilla.org/mrz/2012/04/08/zimbra-mozilla-email-4-months-later/
Someone asked about just email aliases - that's also possible but the initial ask was for hosted mailboxes, not just aliases.
But one doesn't preclude the other.
Percy Cabello - Mozilla Perú
May 9, 2012, 11:56:53 AM5/9/12
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I guess there may be people or communities who need actual email hosting
(probably for privacy/principle concerns), but for most of us it's more a
matter of naming (aliases/forwards). I don't really want/need to go check
email somewhere else.
In any case, maybe we should outline what are the pros/cons of hosting
email, providing aliases. Also a survey among mozillians/reps sounds
reasonable.
Percy
(probably for privacy/principle concerns), but for most of us it's more a
matter of naming (aliases/forwards). I don't really want/need to go check
email somewhere else.
In any case, maybe we should outline what are the pros/cons of hosting
email, providing aliases. Also a survey among mozillians/reps sounds
reasonable.
Percy
Pablo Cúbico
May 9, 2012, 11:57:41 AM5/9/12
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Personally, I don't really see the need for hosted e-mails, but some others
may do.
I guess the default could be to build aliases, unless someone explicitly
asks for a hosted account (and maybe including these procedures in a SOP),
to keep things as less resource-intensive as possible.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Nukeador wrote:
>
> > Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra
> server
> > for community email/calendar?
>
> Complexity in managing without sufficient resources (unless there are
> enough Community Sysadmins to help).
>
> http://blog.mozilla.org/mrz/2012/04/08/zimbra-mozilla-email-4-months-later/
>
> Someone asked about just email aliases - that's also possible but the
> initial ask was for hosted mailboxes, not just aliases.
>
> But one doesn't preclude the other.
may do.
I guess the default could be to build aliases, unless someone explicitly
asks for a hosted account (and maybe including these procedures in a SOP),
to keep things as less resource-intensive as possible.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Nukeador wrote:
>
> > Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra
> server
> > for community email/calendar?
>
> Complexity in managing without sufficient resources (unless there are
> enough Community Sysadmins to help).
>
> http://blog.mozilla.org/mrz/2012/04/08/zimbra-mozilla-email-4-months-later/
>
> Someone asked about just email aliases - that's also possible but the
> initial ask was for hosted mailboxes, not just aliases.
>
> But one doesn't preclude the other.
Majken Connor
May 9, 2012, 12:35:36 PM5/9/12
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I'm not so sure about the "if it's good for internal, it's good for
community" argument. I think there needs to be a balance. Employees by
nature have a lot of pressure to get things done, and not as much time or
energy to focus on the little details that community volunteers can. Google
as a company makes me uncomfortable. They are opening up more and more ways
for us to give them every little bit of our personal information as
possible. They've been able to do this simply because they have had the
best products and so people use them. I'd love to see Mozilla take a more
values based stance.
That said we need a solution now, and for many things, like Calendar, there
really aren't better options. Even if I think Mozilla should be trying to
help solve that problem (and could be) I know the solution doesn't come
over night. At least using google cal still allows me to view my calendar
in my app of choice.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Pablo Cúbico <pabloc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Personally, I don't really see the need for hosted e-mails, but some others
> may do.
>
> I guess the default could be to build aliases, unless someone explicitly
> asks for a hosted account (and maybe including these procedures in a SOP),
> to keep things as less resource-intensive as possible.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On May 9, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Nukeador wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra
> > server
> > > for community email/calendar?
> >
> > Complexity in managing without sufficient resources (unless there are
> > enough Community Sysadmins to help).
> >
> >
> http://blog.mozilla.org/mrz/2012/04/08/zimbra-mozilla-email-4-months-later/
> >
> > Someone asked about just email aliases - that's also possible but the
> > initial ask was for hosted mailboxes, not just aliases.
> >
> > But one doesn't preclude the other.
community" argument. I think there needs to be a balance. Employees by
nature have a lot of pressure to get things done, and not as much time or
energy to focus on the little details that community volunteers can. Google
as a company makes me uncomfortable. They are opening up more and more ways
for us to give them every little bit of our personal information as
possible. They've been able to do this simply because they have had the
best products and so people use them. I'd love to see Mozilla take a more
values based stance.
That said we need a solution now, and for many things, like Calendar, there
really aren't better options. Even if I think Mozilla should be trying to
help solve that problem (and could be) I know the solution doesn't come
over night. At least using google cal still allows me to view my calendar
in my app of choice.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Pablo Cúbico <pabloc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Personally, I don't really see the need for hosted e-mails, but some others
> may do.
>
> I guess the default could be to build aliases, unless someone explicitly
> asks for a hosted account (and maybe including these procedures in a SOP),
> to keep things as less resource-intensive as possible.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On May 9, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Nukeador wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe I didn't read it but, what was the problem of setting a zimbra
> > server
> > > for community email/calendar?
> >
> > Complexity in managing without sufficient resources (unless there are
> > enough Community Sysadmins to help).
> >
> >
> http://blog.mozilla.org/mrz/2012/04/08/zimbra-mozilla-email-4-months-later/
> >
> > Someone asked about just email aliases - that's also possible but the
> > initial ask was for hosted mailboxes, not just aliases.
> >
> > But one doesn't preclude the other.
matthew zeier
May 9, 2012, 1:08:25 PM5/9/12
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On May 9, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Majken Connor wrote:
> I'm not so sure about the "if it's good for internal, it's good for
> community" argument.
That comment was around the privacy and data concerns. I'd like to think that as a company, Mozilla is very particular about those two issues because the sorts of data a paid staff member could put there could be more sensitive.> I'm not so sure about the "if it's good for internal, it's good for
> community" argument.
Majken Connor
May 9, 2012, 1:53:23 PM5/9/12
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Yes that is definitely true.
XioNoX
Jul 3, 2012, 10:15:07 AM7/3/12
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I'm in the process of creating and testing Google Apps to host community emails. Aliases hosted on our infra will be come later.
The feature I really want to test to see if it fits the communities is: http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=182452
For that I was about to use mozilla-community.org as the primary domain, are you guys okay with that or do you have something better in mind?
Also, I'll soon need some guinea pigs to help me test that solution :)
Soumya Deb
Jul 3, 2012, 1:47:27 PM7/3/12
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On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:45 PM, XioNoX <xio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some news after 2 months of silence!
>
> I'm in the process of creating and testing Google Apps to host community
> emails. Aliases hosted on our infra will be come later.
>
> The feature I really want to test to see if it fits the communities is:
> http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=182452
>
> For that I was about to use mozilla-community.org as the primary domain,
> are you guys okay with that or do you have something better in mind?
>
> Also, I'll soon need some guinea pigs to help me test that solution :)
>
Guinea Pig #0: mozillaindia.org('s member emails).
> Some news after 2 months of silence!
>
> I'm in the process of creating and testing Google Apps to host community
> emails. Aliases hosted on our infra will be come later.
>
> The feature I really want to test to see if it fits the communities is:
> http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=182452
>
> For that I was about to use mozilla-community.org as the primary domain,
> are you guys okay with that or do you have something better in mind?
>
> Also, I'll soon need some guinea pigs to help me test that solution :)
>
We would actually prefer ema...@mozillaindia.org, but till aliasing comes
into effect ema...@mozilla-community.org would be fine.
Ping me if you require more data on this.
--
*Soumya Deb*
*http://debs.io*
Twitter: *@Debloper <http://twitter.com/Debloper>*
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matthew zeier
Jul 3, 2012, 1:48:45 PM7/3/12
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>
> Guinea Pig #0: mozillaindia.org('s member emails).
> We would actually prefer ema...@mozillaindia.org, but till aliasing comes
> into effect ema...@mozilla-community.org would be fine.
He's suggesting that the primary domain name is mozilla-community.org. mozillaindia.org would be a subsidiary domain, according to that Google link.> Guinea Pig #0: mozillaindia.org('s member emails).
> We would actually prefer ema...@mozillaindia.org, but till aliasing comes
> into effect ema...@mozilla-community.org would be fine.
Pierros Papadeas
Jul 4, 2012, 8:30:41 AM7/4/12
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I believe that there is no need for a mailbox for people
mozilla-community.org can be used as aliased tied to your
mozillians.org account.
We all do have mail accounts and mailboxes on so many different places
:) Alias will work just fine.
Plus there will be no need for google apps (or anything else like that)
~pierros
mozilla-community.org can be used as aliased tied to your
mozillians.org account.
We all do have mail accounts and mailboxes on so many different places
:) Alias will work just fine.
Plus there will be no need for google apps (or anything else like that)
~pierros
matthew zeier
Jul 4, 2012, 9:15:06 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
> I believe that there is no need for a mailbox for people
>
> mozilla-community.org can be used as aliased tied to your
> mozillians.org account.
> Plus there will be no need for google apps (or anything else like that)
Pierros Papadeas
Jul 4, 2012, 9:33:21 AM7/4/12
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On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM, matthew zeier <m...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
>
>> I believe that there is no need for a mailbox for people
>>
>> mozilla-community.org can be used as aliased tied to your
>> mozillians.org account.
>
> I don't follow - we also don't have @mozillians.org addresses.
I mean the mozillians.org accounts on the phonebook. (not any emails)
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Pierros Papadeas wrote:
>
>> I believe that there is no need for a mailbox for people
>>
>> mozilla-community.org can be used as aliased tied to your
>> mozillians.org account.
>
> I don't follow - we also don't have @mozillians.org addresses.
>> Plus there will be no need for google apps (or anything else like that)
>
> Google Apps is what we're considering using to manage aliases and provide collaboration spaces (Docs/calendars) with better privacy/data controls.
that's not the case, and we are using it only for aliases and docs+
then nice :)
~p
matthew zeier
Jul 4, 2012, 9:42:14 AM7/4/12
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>> Google Apps is what we're considering using to manage aliases and provide collaboration spaces (Docs/calendars) with better privacy/data controls.
>
> I though that we were using GApps to provide people with mailboxes. If
> that's not the case, and we are using it only for aliases and docs+
> then nice :)
That is also an option. I don't assume that everyone will want to use their existing mailbox. In this case, I can offer both solutions.>
> I though that we were using GApps to provide people with mailboxes. If
> that's not the case, and we are using it only for aliases and docs+
> then nice :)
XioNoX
Jul 27, 2012, 8:32:15 AM7/27/12
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Good news! This is now ready!
Any community willing to have its emails hosted on the Google Apps platform can follow the instructions written here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MCS:Hosting
It's basically filling a bug within the MozReps:Community IT component and telling us what you need.
--
Arzhel
On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:42:14 PM UTC+1, matthew zeier wrote:
> >> Google Apps is what we're considering using to manage aliases and provide collaboration spaces (Docs/calendars) with better privacy/data controls.
> >
> > I though that we were using GApps to provide people with mailboxes. If
> > that's not the case, and we are using it only for aliases and docs+
> > then nice :)
>
> That is also an option. I don't assume that everyone will want to use their existing mailbox. In this case, I can offer both solutions.
Any community willing to have its emails hosted on the Google Apps platform can follow the instructions written here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MCS:Hosting
It's basically filling a bug within the MozReps:Community IT component and telling us what you need.
--
Arzhel
On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:42:14 PM UTC+1, matthew zeier wrote:
> >> Google Apps is what we're considering using to manage aliases and provide collaboration spaces (Docs/calendars) with better privacy/data controls.
> >
> > I though that we were using GApps to provide people with mailboxes. If
> > that's not the case, and we are using it only for aliases and docs+
> > then nice :)
>
> That is also an option. I don't assume that everyone will want to use their existing mailbox. In this case, I can offer both solutions.
XioNoX
Jul 27, 2012, 8:32:15 AM7/27/12
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Good news! This is now ready!
Any community willing to have its emails hosted on the Google Apps platform can follow the instructions written here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MCS:Hosting
It's basically filling a bug within the MozReps:Community IT component and telling us what you need.
--
Arzhel
On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:42:14 PM UTC+1, matthew zeier wrote:
> >> Google Apps is what we're considering using to manage aliases and provide collaboration spaces (Docs/calendars) with better privacy/data controls.
Any community willing to have its emails hosted on the Google Apps platform can follow the instructions written here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MCS:Hosting
It's basically filling a bug within the MozReps:Community IT component and telling us what you need.
--
Arzhel
On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:42:14 PM UTC+1, matthew zeier wrote:
> >
> > I though that we were using GApps to provide people with mailboxes. If
> > that's not the case, and we are using it only for aliases and docs+
> > then nice :)
>
> That is also an option. I don't assume that everyone will want to use their existing mailbox. In this case, I can offer both solutions.
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