mozilla.mozillians Google Group

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

fredyro...@gmail.com (Fredy Rouge Rouge) — Thu, 23 May 2013 06:49:47 UT

I not want to be involved in this kind of dynamics, this is not a
school and we are not kids.

I'm a volunteer and I can decide how use my volunteer time, now for me
the priority is the launch of FirefoxOS.

Best regards.

2013/5/20 Gervase Markham <g...@mozilla.org>:

--
Fredy Rouge - Leader, Créatif, Autodidacte et Geek ☺

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

g...@mozilla.org (Gervase Markham) — Mon, 20 May 2013 12:29:12 UT

Please point me at any impolite messages either you or he think I have
posted.

Gerv

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

maj...@gmail.com (Majken Connor) — Thu, 16 May 2013 19:34:16 UT

I think polite isn't the best measure of how we want to conduct the
conversations. I think fredy is frustrated because he feels you haven't
been polite either. I think the baseline should really be what is
constructive and helps move us forward to our common goals. I think neither
Fredy's post, or your calling it out publicly counts as constructive, so

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

g...@mozilla.org (Gervase Markham) — Thu, 16 May 2013 14:56:33 UT

Insulting and caricaturing those who disagree with you, and attributing
bad motives without evidence, is not polite behaviour, and is unlikely
to win supporters to your side.

Gerv

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

maj...@gmail.com (Majken Connor) — Tue, 14 May 2013 23:46:28 UT

"Pacific Time" Is not necessarily unambiguous. Currently all US states in
Pacific time do make the switch, but take Arizona and Saskatchewan in
Mountain Time which don't make the switch.

The problem here is we're trying to solve for DST which isn't actually the
problem that is solved with announcing UTC. We will not be able to solve

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

jswis...@mozilla.com (Janet Swisher) — Tue, 14 May 2013 19:10:43 UT

If you can do that conversion instantly in your head, congratulations
for you. My brain is not well-designed for this task, and computers are
much better at it, so I would rather rely on them than on my brain,
which has repeatedly given me incorrect results.

Obviously, one system is not going to satisfy everybody, as this

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

fredyro...@gmail.com (Fredy Rouge Rouge) — Tue, 14 May 2013 17:28:23 UT

I want to impose mi position because I think that I and my culture is
better that the rest of the world, UTC is for looosers. #sarcasm

2013/5/14 Pierros Papadeas <pier...@mozilla.com>:

--
Fredy Rouge - Leader, Créatif, Autodidacte et Geek ☺

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

pier...@mozilla.com (Pierros Papadeas) — Tue, 14 May 2013 10:42:46 UT

For the record I am *for* to both proposals (and see them as one thing).

Clearly most people in this discussion are positive to them too.

This discussion is already posted in the next level (governance
mailing list) and I propose we take it from there.

Calendaring software is a totally different discussion, completely

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

g...@mozilla.org (Gervase Markham) — Tue, 14 May 2013 09:53:13 UT

It is; it's just that you are confusing arguments relating to two
different issues. The above paragraph is an argument against _defining_
the meeting in UTC time. You have interpreted it as an argument against
_announcing_ the meeting in UTC time.

I think that meetings defined in UTC time should be announced in UTC

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

mban...@mozilla.com (Mark Banner) — Mon, 13 May 2013 20:54:11 UT

Hi folks,

Having thought about it a bit, I can understand the desire to announce
times in UTC, and I agree it is desirable (scheduling I'm less
convinced, but please carry on reading, that's not what this is about).

So far in this thread the proposals and issues seem to be around
considering the needs meeting attendees and not the organisers. I don't

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

nukea...@mozilla-hispano.org (Rubén Martín) — Mon, 13 May 2013 17:38:32 UT

Gerv, you are repeating this argument again and again, and it's not
true. A meeting can be at the same time for Pacific (or any local) time
during the year and announced always in UTC (it's just a matter of
knowing that when Pacific switch to daily saving time you have to
announce the new UTC time).

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

comzer...@mozilla-community.org (Nikos Roussos) — Mon, 13 May 2013 17:22:31 UT

It doesn't matter. Being a global community means that we should respect
every contributor. Not just the majority.

Quoting Stephanie from a previous email:
"inconvenience everyone equally, or exclude people due to time
confusion."

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

m...@kylehuey.com (Kyle Huey) — Mon, 13 May 2013 16:29:59 UT

90% of the humans on Earth live in the northern hemisphere.

- Kyle

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

fredyro...@gmail.com (Fredy Rouge Rouge) — Mon, 13 May 2013 16:27:19 UT

When people not want understand not understand, I not want to spend
more time in this conversation (muted)

But again:
For local things with local people use local time, for a tings whit a
global participation UTC.

2013/5/13 Gervase Markham <g...@mozilla.org>:

--
Fredy Rouge - Leader, Créatif, Autodidacte et Geek ☺

Re: Fwd: Re: Always use UTC for moztimes

sto...@mozilla.com (Stormy Peters) — Mon, 13 May 2013 16:25:47 UT

For what it's worth, I support all meetings being scheduled and announced
in UTC. I think it shows respect for a global work force and will help
foster a culture of more cooperation.

Stormy