We created the Conductors module to work on communications. That
actually started out with me thinking about a Code of Conduct. I
decided instead to try the Conductors module, which is a set of
Mozillians who have volunteered to help people in the midst of difficult
communications. A code of conduct could be a good complement. It would
give guidelines for the kinds of communications we hope for. You're
right that a lot of it is common sense.
I understand your point about rules and fun and contributing. Ideally
the Code of Conduct would let people know that if I am doing something
that is deeply disturbing to them they should talk to me about it if
they can, and raise it to specified people in the Mozilla community if
they need someone to act on their behalf.
> Le 22/03/2012 20:33, Sheeri Cabral a écrit :
>> I was encouraged to forward my comments about the code of conduct draft:
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> I think this is a great first draft.
>> This discussion was sparked by one particular post to Planet Mozilla,
>> and I don't see anything in the code of conduct that would necessarily
>> make that post unacceptable. The Code of Conduct does state that
>> Mozillians should respect Mozilla processes and principles, and says:
>> "Leaders do their best to reflect the values that Mozilla stands for
>> and the behaviors that Mozilla holds as paramount."
>> And I guess "Values" includes the "diversity statement"....and the
>> Code of Conduct does talk about leaders valuing the overall good vs.
>> their own personal feelings...
>> I guess the questions for me, for those clamoring for a code of
>> conduct, are:
>> 0) What would having a Code of Conduct have changed, in the specific
>> recent incident?
>> 1) Does the Code of Conduct being proposed meet the requirements of 0)?
>> I don't feel that this Code of Conduct would have stopped that
>> particular post from being made, nor would it give a lot of fodder for
>> saying "this post violates the official Mozilla Code of Conduct".
>> Also? Let's say the Code of Conduct does make it clear that that
>> particular post would have been a violation. What are the consequences
>> of violating the Code of Conduct? A reprimand? Removal from Planet
>> Mozilla? Removal from the Mozilla community? I don't see any
>> particular accountability attached to the code of conduct.
> I agree there is not yet in the Code of Conduct any action to be done in
> case of "violation" of it and fwiw, removal from the Mozilla Community
> would be the worst thing to do imo.
> On the other side, I have the growing feeling of US "politically
> correctness" guidance in this draft that uneases me (and some other
> Europeans --yes, cultural differences).
> Most of this draft is common sense, and most of the not acceptable
> things mentioned has never happened on any Mozilla public communication
> channels as far as I am aware of, and adding more rules and constraints
> might not be a good idea.
> Reading all the thread on m.governance since the "issue" arised, I have
> the feeling that most of the posters were employees (I may be wrong but
> I don't know everyone) and that the malaise was more inside the
> Corporation than inside the community. Whatever rules we can set, we
> won't prevent people to be hurt, and imho, as long as people don't
> infringe the law, we don't have to put other Mozilla "laws" on top of it.
> The root of all this deployed energy and passionate posts was just in
> the first place about what content should be posted or not on Planet
> Mozilla and we end this up with a book of rules.
> As a contributor, and I have to clarify this word, as it seems to be a
> difference with this acceptation in America and in Europe (at least in
> France), a contributor is a people who participates voluntarily to a
> project. Well, as a contributor, I join daily my local IRC channel,
> hosted on Mozilla servers, to know what's going on, to get informed of
> personal things about my fellows, etc. We can kick, say stupid things
> and bad jokes, troll and so on. These kind of things cement a local
> So, what would happen if someone complains about this kind of behaviour
> in our local channel? Would I be reprimanded? Would I be banned of the
> As a contributor, I contribute to Mozilla because I think its mission
> worths it. But if I can't have fun contributing, well, I have already my
> daily job with its constraints, and I don't want to have another one,
> not paid, with no fun.
> Well, these are just some thoughts to be considered.