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>> I think this is a great first draft.

>> This discussion was sparked by one particular post to Planet Mozilla,
>> and I don't see anything in the code of conduct that would necessarily
>> make that post unacceptable. The Code of Conduct does state that
>> Mozillians should respect Mozilla processes and principles, and says:

>> "Leaders do their best to reflect the values that Mozilla stands for
>> and the behaviors that Mozilla holds as paramount."

>> And I guess "Values" includes the "diversity statement"....and the
>> Code of Conduct does talk about leaders valuing the overall good vs.
>> their own personal feelings...

>> I guess the questions for me, for those clamoring for a code of
>> conduct, are:

>> 0) What would having a Code of Conduct have changed, in the specific
>> recent incident?
>> 1) Does the Code of Conduct being proposed meet the requirements of 0)?

>> I don't feel that this Code of Conduct would have stopped that
>> particular post from being made, nor would it give a lot of fodder for
>> saying "this post violates the official Mozilla Code of Conduct".

>> Also? Let's say the Code of Conduct does make it clear that that
>> particular post would have been a violation. What are the consequences
>> of violating the Code of Conduct? A reprimand? Removal from Planet
>> Mozilla? Removal from the Mozilla community? I don't see any
>> particular accountability attached to the code of conduct.

>> -Sheeri

> I agree there is not yet in the Code of Conduct any action to be done in
> case of "violation" of it and fwiw, removal from the Mozilla Community
> would be the worst thing to do imo.

> On the other side, I have the growing feeling of US "politically
> correctness" guidance in this draft that uneases me (and some other
> Europeans --yes, cultural differences).

> Most of this draft is common sense, and most of the not acceptable
> things mentioned has never happened on any Mozilla public communication
> channels as far as I am aware of, and adding more rules and constraints
> might not be a good idea.

> Reading all the thread on m.governance since the "issue" arised, I have
> the feeling that most of the posters were employees (I may be wrong but
> I don't know everyone) and that the malaise was more inside the
> Corporation than inside the community. Whatever rules we can set, we
> won't prevent people to be hurt, and imho, as long as people don't
> infringe the law, we don't have to put other Mozilla "laws" on top of it.

> The root of all this deployed energy and passionate posts was just in
> the first place about what content should be posted or not on Planet
> Mozilla and we end this up with a book of rules.

> As a contributor, and I have to clarify this word, as it seems to be a
> difference with this acceptation in America and in Europe (at least in
> France), a contributor is a people who participates voluntarily to a
> project. Well, as a contributor, I join daily my local IRC channel,
> hosted on Mozilla servers, to know what's going on, to get informed of
> personal things about my fellows, etc. We can kick, say stupid things
> and bad jokes, troll and so on. These kind of things cement a local
> community.
> So, what would happen if someone complains about this kind of behaviour
> in our local channel? Would I be reprimanded? Would I be banned of the
> community?
> As a contributor, I contribute to Mozilla because I think its mission
> worths it. But if I can't have fun contributing, well, I have already my
> daily job with its constraints, and I don't want to have another one,
> not paid, with no fun.

> Well, these are just some thoughts to be considered.

> Cédric