Sharing information with Mozillians only

[to...@mozilla-uk.org]

Hello,

I'm starting this discussion because I found out that the following has
happened:
An Etherpad about "needed apps for Firefox OS" was shared amongst all of
Reps (URL [1]).

It was soon protected with a password. The password for that etherpad
was then posted in a Bug[2] that was restricted to Mozilla Reps only.
The problem with this is that brainstorming about needed apps for
Firefox OS shouldn't be restricted to Reps only. It doesn't meet the
main focus of Reps, which is a community engagement program...

In any case, this made me to think about the issue in general:

There *should* be a way to share information amongst all of Mozillians.
Possibly the Mozillians phonebook or some other place.

Right now, it seems, the only way to share information with mozillians
is through reps (otherwise this wouldn't have happened the way it did).

[1] https://etherpad.mozilla.org/fxos-needed-apps
[2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=838539

Thanks,

Tobias Markus

[Rubén Martín]

El 16/04/13 21:54, to...@mozilla-uk.org escribió:

> Hello,
>
> I'm starting this discussion because I found out that the following
> has happened:
> An Etherpad about "needed apps for Firefox OS" was shared amongst all
> of Reps (URL [1]).
>
> It was soon protected with a password. The password for that etherpad
> was then posted in a Bug[2] that was restricted to Mozilla Reps only.
> The problem with this is that brainstorming about needed apps for
> Firefox OS shouldn't be restricted to Reps only. It doesn't meet the
> main focus of Reps, which is a community engagement program...

I was responsible for that. The pad was public for everyone from the
start, then I got *heavily* vandalised (there is no way to avoid that on
an etherpad) and that was the only was I had to restrict to a group of
mozillians. In any case Reps with the password can pass it to other
mozillians.

>
> In any case, this made me to think about the issue in general:
>
> There *should* be a way to share information amongst all of
> Mozillians. Possibly the Mozillians phonebook or some other place.
>
> Right now, it seems, the only way to share information with mozillians
> is through reps (otherwise this wouldn't have happened the way it did).
>
> [1] https://etherpad.mozilla.org/fxos-needed-apps
> [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=838539

Yes, we have this problem at Mozilla and most people is aware. Solutions?

I have proposed several times to convert mozillians.org into a
mozillians social network where you can post stuff just to some groups.
Probably we need more resources to improve that (more people mobilizing
contributors, not just paid coders). CCing WilliamR who is now in charge
or that stuff.

Other solution would be to create a private mailing list just for
trusted mozillians (who is trusted?) like the World Ready one where we
can discuss localizations that can't be public yet.

Also, everyone should be aware of all of this. If a volunteer or
employee doesn't know about this new possibilities to communicate, he's
not going to use them.

Regards.

--
Rubén Martín [Nukeador]
Mozilla Reps Mentor
http://www.mozilla-hispano.org
http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano
http://facebook.com/mozillahispano

[Gijs Kruitbosch]

On 16/04/13 13:17 , Rub�n Mart�n wrote:
> El 16/04/13 21:54, to...@mozilla-uk.org escribi�:

>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm starting this discussion because I found out that the following
>> has happened:
>> An Etherpad about "needed apps for Firefox OS" was shared amongst all
>> of Reps (URL [1]).
>>
>> It was soon protected with a password. The password for that etherpad
>> was then posted in a Bug[2] that was restricted to Mozilla Reps only.
>> The problem with this is that brainstorming about needed apps for
>> Firefox OS shouldn't be restricted to Reps only. It doesn't meet the
>> main focus of Reps, which is a community engagement program...
> I was responsible for that. The pad was public for everyone from the
> start, then I got *heavily* vandalised (there is no way to avoid that on
> an etherpad) and that was the only was I had to restrict to a group of
> mozillians. In any case Reps with the password can pass it to other
> mozillians.

What kind of vandalism? Random bot vandalism or concerned users
vandalism? From this story, it's still not clear to me why the bug is
reps-only rather than public.

~ Gijs

[Vineel Reddy Pindi]

As far as I remember, at the time of App Days, Mozillians tweeted the link
to this etherpad and it went viral. Like Ruben said to keep things focused,
the bug was made reps only(it seemed the option at that time as reps were
helping with the App Days). Now that the App Days campaign is calmed down
may be the bug can be made public.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch
<gijskru...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 16/04/13 13:17 , Rubén Martín wrote:
>
>> El 16/04/13 21:54, to...@mozilla-uk.org escribió:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm starting this discussion because I found out that the following
>>> has happened:
>>> An Etherpad about "needed apps for Firefox OS" was shared amongst all
>>> of Reps (URL [1]).
>>>
>>> It was soon protected with a password. The password for that etherpad
>>> was then posted in a Bug[2] that was restricted to Mozilla Reps only.
>>> The problem with this is that brainstorming about needed apps for
>>> Firefox OS shouldn't be restricted to Reps only. It doesn't meet the
>>> main focus of Reps, which is a community engagement program...
>>>
>> I was responsible for that. The pad was public for everyone from the
>>
>> start, then I got *heavily* vandalised (there is no way to avoid that on
>> an etherpad) and that was the only was I had to restrict to a group of
>> mozillians. In any case Reps with the password can pass it to other
>> mozillians.
>>
>

> What kind of vandalism? Random bot vandalism or concerned users vandalism?
> From this story, it's still not clear to me why the bug is reps-only rather
> than public.
>
> ~ Gijs
>
>

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[Rubén Martín]

El 16/04/13 22:30, Gijs Kruitbosch escribió:

>
> What kind of vandalism? Random bot vandalism or concerned users
> vandalism? From this story, it's still not clear to me why the bug is
> reps-only rather than public.

User vandalism, once the link was spread on Twitter, some people thought
it was funny to delete all content and save revisions all the time. In
any case, there is a public archive of all content there, right now just
the editable pad is password protected.

[William Reynolds]

On 4/16/13 1:17 PM, Rub�n Mart�n wrote:
> I have proposed several times to convert mozillians.org into a
> mozillians social network where you can post stuff just to some
> groups. Probably we need more resources to improve that (more people
> mobilizing contributors, not just paid coders). CCing WilliamR who is
> now in charge or that stuff.
>
> Other solution would be to create a private mailing list just for
> trusted mozillians (who is trusted?) like the World Ready one where we
> can discuss localizations that can't be public yet.

I agree there's a common need for many groups to post information in a
place that's not public. Team site etherpads (like [1]) have worked
pretty well for this, although each user needs to be added manually or
request access.

We have the ability to email all Mozillians and use Air Mozilla to serve
videos to all Mozillians. However, our other tools like the wiki and
etherpad don't currently offer a way to make information available only
to Mozillians. The good news is that these tools could use the
Mozillians API [2] to provide additional access to vouched Mozillians.
For example, we could have specific etherpads and wiki pages viewable
only to Mozillians.

William

[1] https://remo.etherpad.mozilla.org/
[2] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozillians/API

[Majken Connor]

To add, the reason it was made a Reps only bug was because it is private
but still allows a large group of people to access it. It made the password
more wide-spread than simply having to ping Nukeador and waiting for him to
give you the password. It wasn't to distinguish or highlight reps, it was
just the best mechanism at this time to keep it private but give it to as
many people as possible.

it would be great since etherpad uses persona to have an etherpad team that
is viewable to registered mozillians and automatically uses the mozillians
api for its user account database. I have no idea how simple this would be
to do!


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:41 PM, William Reynolds <will...@mozilla.com>wrote:

> [1] https://remo.etherpad.mozilla.**org/<https://remo.etherpad.mozilla.org/>
> [2] https://wiki.mozilla.org/**Mozillians/API<https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozillians/API>

[Robert Helmer]

I am currently working on migrating etherpad.m.o to etherpad-lite (which is
the currently supported upstream etherpad project now) and will be
reimplementing "Team Site" functionality. I am planning to support deeper
integration with things like ldap and mozillans.org and persona so kinds
of things discussed here should be doable, and could be done as
etherpad-lite plugins.

The tracking bug for migrating is
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=831448

"Team Sites" will stay on the old server initially, and I plan to spin up
some test team instances for people who heavily use this feature and want
to help me test.

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