is there a moderator for governance mailing list?
Nickolay Ponomarev
Do we have a moderator for this mailing list who approves e-mails from
non-subscribers? It seems bad that e-mails from outsiders get greeted
with an automatic reply followed by silence. If we can't have a
moderator, the message should be tweaked to say that, forcing people
to subscribe to the mailing list before posting.
(see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400358#c5
"""
Actually I sent an email with the same questions to the governance mailing list
two weeks ago. The only email I received as a reply is automatically generated
message which states that my email requires moderator approval and that
"Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision."
Two weeks passed without any reply. And frankly speaking I doubt that I will
get some response ever.
""")
Nickolay
L. David Baron
> Do we have a moderator for this mailing list who approves e-mails from
> non-subscribers? It seems bad that e-mails from outsiders get greeted
> with an automatic reply followed by silence. If we can't have a
> moderator, the message should be tweaked to say that, forcing people
> to subscribe to the mailing list before posting.
The moderator is currently listed as zak (i.e., he's the one who
gets the moderator email), but I moderated this one through.
-David
--
L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/
Mozilla Corporation http://www.mozilla.com/
Mike Beltzner
> Do we have a moderator for this mailing list who approves e-mails from
> non-subscribers? It seems bad that e-mails from outsiders get greeted
> with an automatic reply followed by silence. If we can't have a
> moderator, the message should be tweaked to say that, forcing people
> to subscribe to the mailing list before posting.
No, we don't. However, the automatic response should clearly indicate
that if a user wishes to post to a newsgroup, they need to subscribe
first through the web interface (or post via Google Groups).
I believe that there's been a bug on file for a while to have the
behaviour modified such that:
- the original message is returned as rejected
- the content of the bounce notification contains links and
alternatives
Might be wrong, can't find the bug quickly.
cc'ing Dave Miller who might know more.
cheers,
mike
Mike Shaver
> If we can't have a
> moderator, the message should be tweaked to say that, forcing people
> to subscribe to the mailing list before posting.
I agree, and filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348858
on this issue a little more than a year ago. I thought there was a
simple solution to it, but apparently the (current) behaviour of
sending back notifications isn't acceptable, so we're waiting on some
sort of mailman policy-daemon to be written? I don't know if there's
been any further progress on it, and I don't know how Server
Operations Projects are triaged or scheduled, but I just delete the
notifications about "4000 messages waiting for approval on
dev-whatever" for the cases that I get them; I suspect others do as
well, so I fear we're letting the perfect beat up the good in this
case.
Mike
L. David Baron
> On 6-Nov-07, at 9:03 AM, Nickolay Ponomarev wrote:
> > Do we have a moderator for this mailing list who approves e-mails from
> > non-subscribers? It seems bad that e-mails from outsiders get greeted
> > moderator, the message should be tweaked to say that, forcing people
> > to subscribe to the mailing list before posting.
>
> that if a user wishes to post to a newsgroup, they need to subscribe
> first through the web interface (or post via Google Groups).
For what it's worth, we do have actual moderators assigned for most
lists, and I do moderate through the messages for the lists I'm
assigned to (dev-tech-layout, dev-general, dev-performance,
dev-planning).
Dave Miller
> On 6-Nov-07, at 9:03 AM, Nickolay Ponomarev wrote:
>
>> Do we have a moderator for this mailing list who approves e-mails from
>> non-subscribers? It seems bad that e-mails from outsiders get greeted
>> with an automatic reply followed by silence. If we can't have a
>> moderator, the message should be tweaked to say that, forcing people
>> to subscribe to the mailing list before posting.
>
> No, we don't. However, the automatic response should clearly indicate
> that if a user wishes to post to a newsgroup, they need to subscribe
> first through the web interface (or post via Google Groups).
>
> behaviour modified such that:
> - the original message is returned as rejected
> - the content of the bounce notification contains links and alternatives
>
> Might be wrong, can't find the bug quickly.
>
> cc'ing Dave Miller who might know more.
Yeah, it got set up that way, but only on the support newsgroups. I've
been slowly wading through the moderator queues for most of the
unmoderated newsgroups over the last week or two and have been intending
to try to set the rest of them up with something similar (at a minimum
the ones that don't have assigned moderators). Hopefully it'll be in soon.
--
Dave Miller http://www.justdave.net/
System Administrator, Mozilla Corporation http://www.mozilla.com/
Project Leader, Bugzilla Bug Tracking System http://www.bugzilla.org/
Dave Miller
> Mike Beltzner wrote on 11/6/07 9:23 AM:
>> behaviour modified such that:
>> - the original message is returned as rejected
>> - the content of the bounce notification contains links and alternatives
>
> been slowly wading through the moderator queues for most of the
> unmoderated newsgroups over the last week or two and have been intending
> to try to set the rest of them up with something similar (at a minimum
> the ones that don't have assigned moderators). Hopefully it'll be in soon.
And looking at it after I sent that, the governance list wouldn't have
been on my list to hit, because it does have an assigned moderator (Zak
Greant).
Boris Zbarsky
> The moderator is currently listed as zak (i.e., he's the one who
> gets the moderator email), but I moderated this one through.
What was the subject? I'm not seeing it...
-Boris
Nickolay Ponomarev
I got it via mailing list, but it doesn't seem to have appeared in
Google groups (and possibly not on news.m.o).
Nickolay
Mike Beltzner
> And looking at it after I sent that, the governance list wouldn't have
> been on my list to hit, because it does have an assigned moderator
> (Zak
> Greant).
If I could get the following lists to which I am currently assigned as
moderator set as unmoderated lists in order to achieve the bounce-
behaviour I described, it would be appreciated:
dev-apps...@lists.mozilla.org
dev-t...@lists.mozilla.org
dev-us...@lists.mozilla.org
feedback-thunde...@lists.mozilla.org
feedback-fire...@lists.mozilla.org
feedback...@lists.mozilla.org
feedback-t...@lists.mozilla.org
feedback-co...@lists.mozilla.org
I filed bug 402715 to track this issue (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402715
)
cheers,
mike
Boris Zbarsky
> I got it via mailing list, but it doesn't seem to have appeared in
> Google groups (and possibly not on news.m.o).
Since I'm reading through news.m.o, I can confidently tell you that it has not
appeared. ;)
-Boris
Chris Ilias
> "Could you please explain your policy according OS integration?"
>
> I got it via mailing list, but it doesn't seem to have appeared in
> Google groups (and possibly not on news.m.o).
Both the newsgroup on the news server and the Google Group are set up as
text newsgroups. If your message had any binary attachments (eg. image),
it may have been discarded by both news.mozilla.org and Google Groups.
--
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia
Chris Ilias
This is actually something that can be done by each list-owner:
1. Go to <https://lists.mozilla.org/admin/governance/privacy/sender>.
2. Scroll to the bottom.
3. Beside "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no
explicit action is defined", set it to *Reject*.
4. Beside "Text to include in any rejection notice to be sent to
non-members who post to this list", paste the text of the bounce message.