big time censorship happening
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
newsgroup. There was a thread started entitled "Censorship by Firefox
on this newsgroup is a Disgrace." If you view that thread within the
news.mozilla.org server, then you'll notice that quite a few of the
messages have been removed. They're still on the google server, but not
the mozilla one. I only looked at a few that have disappeared such as:
news://news.mozilla.org:119/466ABAC7...@Senior.Envision
news://news.mozilla.org:119/LcOdndvbIrTgI_fb...@mozilla.org
news://news.mozilla.org:119/LcOdndvbIrTgI_fb...@mozilla.org
news://news.mozilla.org:119/466AC862...@Senior.Envision
news://news.mozilla.org:119/XbSdnaHx7pXMU_fb...@mozilla.org
news://news.mozilla.org:119/wI6dnZNaDvFnSvfb...@mozilla.org
news://news.mozilla.org:119/9OmdnX2TvrboRffb...@mozilla.org
news://news.mozilla.org:119/mZGdnWKnHphqRPfb...@mozilla.org
but they're not all from the same person. They are from Jay,
Squaredancer, Rinaldi, Rob, Andres, John, Rob, Blinky, Pete, just to
name a few.
I wonder. Who's doing the deleting? Chris, Nir, or someone else? Have
each of these individuals been contacted regarding the removal of their
message? There is a cancellation policy:
http://www.mozilla.org/community/cancellation.html where an individual
must be contacted by email or within the newsgroup, about their OT
problem within that newsgroup.
But at the end of that page it says:
"Other Newsgroups Cancellation Policy
Currently, no non-spam messages are cancelled in other Mozilla newsgroups."
If there are no other cancellation Policy in effect, then why are these
messages being removed?
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Blinky the Shark
> Big time censorship has happened on the mozilla.support.firefox newsgroup.
> There was a thread started entitled "Censorship by Firefox on this
> newsgroup is a Disgrace." If you view that thread within the
> news.mozilla.org server, then you'll notice that quite a few of the
> messages have been removed. They're still on the google server, but not
> the mozilla one. I only looked at a few that have disappeared such as:
I saw that last night (or early this morning, Sunday, US Pacific TZ).
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/466ABAC7...@Senior.Envision
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/LcOdndvbIrTgI_fb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/LcOdndvbIrTgI_fb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/466AC862...@Senior.Envision
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/XbSdnaHx7pXMU_fb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/wI6dnZNaDvFnSvfb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/9OmdnX2TvrboRffb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/mZGdnWKnHphqRPfb...@mozilla.org
>
> but they're not all from the same person. They are from Jay,
> Squaredancer, Rinaldi, Rob, Andres, John, Rob, Blinky, Pete, just to
> name a few.
Ayup. I wonder if this is going to start happening in *this* group as
well.
> I wonder. Who's doing the deleting? Chris, Nir, or someone else? Have
> each of these individuals been contacted regarding the removal of their
> message? There is a cancellation policy:
I sure haven't; but then I don't fly a deliverable address so it would've
had to come here in the group. (And might've been deleted.)
> http://www.mozilla.org/community/cancellation.html where an individual
> must be contacted by email or within the newsgroup, about their OT
> problem within that newsgroup.
>
> But at the end of that page it says:
>
> "Other Newsgroups Cancellation Policy
>
> Currently, no non-spam messages are cancelled in other Mozilla
> newsgroups."
>
> If there are no other cancellation Policy in effect, then why are these
> messages being removed?
Is the server vulnerable to rogue cancels by non-admin identities?
Perhaps I'm naive, but I'd sooner expect this to be malicious activity
than "official" moz procedure.
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
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squaredancer
the Purple Hippo to generate the following:? :
but the message can be read here (prior to the last posting)
news://news.mozilla.org:119/1181412878.2...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com
Chris I /superstooge Nir have also cancelled (at least one of my...)
posts in the MTMM group - *AFTER* Joe was given the moderator seat!
reg
for cancellations/deletions on *THIS GROUP*
reg
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
tell me something reg. Did anyone contact you, in either case [in the
FF or mtmm groups], and inform you that your postings were going to be
removed/deleted/expire or whatever? They're supposed to do this in
accordance with the cancellation policy set forth here:
http://www.mozilla.org/community/cancellation.htmlhttp://www.mozilla.org/community/cancellation.html
squaredancer
upheaval, as were several others (The Real Bev is one who admitted it
*lol*) - since then, I have had several posts "expired" / died an
unnatural death.
In the MTMM I was banned long, long ago for putting a screenshot there
that belonged to one of my descriptive solutions (in the days when it
was deemed good to show a questioner "how" it was done) - since then, I
have been on the "moderator approval list", with many posts deemed "not
suitable" - much to the annoyance of Joe, who has kindly put me back
onto the subscriber list!
Seems like it is soon time to stop kicking ass, and to start on the teeth!
reg
squaredancer
got a 404 on that URL.... has Moz already revised the cancellation
policy - or are they smokescreening their own crap??
reg
"Andrés M."
I don't quite get what's going on. What can I do to track these missing
messages on Google Groups?, is there some kind of ID I can use?. I'm
intrigued about your mention that one of the "disappeared" messages was
mine.
squaredancer
as intended (smokescreen lifted)
reg
squaredancer
generate the following:? :
reg
"Andrés M."
All my posts have been here, except for two private mails exchanged with
someone named Frank regarding a webpage that was having problems when
rendered in Firefox. I refrained from sending private mails to nobody
about the current interlude in the censorship thread, trusting
moderators would do whatever was necessary according to the group rules.
Still now that I'm following the whole thread I can recall a couple of
messages of mine that aren't there anymore. My last one doesn't appear
at all and the first one I wrote last Saturday appears blank.
Ahh well, I guess I can blame a bit of all this on myself since I
shouldn't have fed a troll. Yet if according to the same rules I should
have gotten a warning I must say I got none at all.
Dave Miller
Potamus the Purple Hippo <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Big time censorship has happened on the mozilla.support.firefox
> newsgroup. There was a thread started entitled "Censorship by Firefox
> on this newsgroup is a Disgrace." If you view that thread within the
> news.mozilla.org server, then you'll notice that quite a few of the
> messages have been removed. They're still on the google server, but not
> the mozilla one. I only looked at a few that have disappeared such as:
>
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/466ABAC7...@Senior.Envision
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/LcOdndvbIrTgI_fb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/LcOdndvbIrTgI_fb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/466AC862...@Senior.Envision
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/XbSdnaHx7pXMU_fb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/wI6dnZNaDvFnSvfb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/9OmdnX2TvrboRffb...@mozilla.org
> news://news.mozilla.org:119/mZGdnWKnHphqRPfb...@mozilla.org
>
> but they're not all from the same person. They are from Jay,
> Squaredancer, Rinaldi, Rob, Andres, John, Rob, Blinky, Pete, just to
> name a few.
>
> I wonder. Who's doing the deleting?
That was me. The thread was started by someone already under the
cancellation policy for trolling, and since there was no meaningful
content, I deleted the entire thread. People replying to trolls only
encourage them.
The content of that thread better belonged here in this newsgroup
(which is where it's now happening).
--
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System Administrator, Mozilla Corporation http://www.mozilla.com/
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
to find your message on google groups take some hunting around. What
I've done is find your message on the news.mozilla.org server, right
click on select Copy Message Location. For your message here, this is
what I get:
news://news.mozilla.org:119/S-ydnRDaLeuH8fHb...@mozilla.org
Now, I paste everything into the message ID section, which is located at
the bottom of google groups advanced search which is located here
located here: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. After the
paste, I remove news://news.mozilla.org:119/ and search for everything
after all that.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
Then my question to you Dave is: was everyone contacted regarding their
posting being removed? This is in accordance with the Cancellation
Policy as set forth here:
http://www.mozilla.org/community/cancellation.html.
Since most of those postings don't fit the cancellation policy already
set forth, and there are "Currently, no non-spam messages are cancelled
in other Mozilla newsgroups," then how can those messages be removed?
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
furthermore, the entire thread was/is not removed. You removed just
about everyone elses postings except the one making the complaint.
Dave Miller
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> > Dave Miller wrote:
> >> That was me. The thread was started by someone already under the
> >> cancellation policy for trolling, and since there was no meaningful
> >> content, I deleted the entire thread. People replying to trolls only
> >> encourage them.
> >>
> >> The content of that thread better belonged here in this newsgroup
> >> (which is where it's now happening).
> >
> > Then my question to you Dave is: was everyone contacted regarding their
> > posting being removed? This is in accordance with the Cancellation
> > Policy as set forth here:
> > http://www.mozilla.org/community/cancellation.html.
No, they weren't, for which I apologize. There's other folks usually
taking care of this stuff, and I only wind up involved when there's
major problems and someone calls for help. I just came in trying to do
damage control, and that thread was already entirely out of hand when I
found it. The people replying to the troll were just as off-topic as
the troll, but yes, in hindsight, they should have been notified.
> furthermore, the entire thread was/is not removed. You removed just
> about everyone elses postings except the one making the complaint.
Those will be gone, too, eventually. The stuff that didn't originate
on news.mozilla.org takes longer to process, and those apparently
haven't gone through yet (but they're in the queue).
squaredancer
the Purple Hippo to generate the following:? :
again (the "I" part of CIA).. maybe you should apply, with your
qualities *lol*
reg
squaredancer
generate the following:? :
> In article <ytednVTkTKc4SPHb...@mozilla.org>, Peter
> Potamus the Purple Hippo <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> That was me. The thread was started by someone already under the
>>>> cancellation policy for trolling, and since there was no meaningful
>>>> content, I deleted the entire thread. People replying to trolls only
>>>> encourage them.
>>>>
>>>> The content of that thread better belonged here in this newsgroup
>>>> (which is where it's now happening).
>>>>
>>> Then my question to you Dave is: was everyone contacted regarding their
>>> posting being removed? This is in accordance with the Cancellation
>>> Policy as set forth here:
>>> http://www.mozilla.org/community/cancellation.html.
>>>
>
> No, they weren't, for which I apologize. There's other folks usually
> taking care of this stuff,
yes - I did notice (and mention) that the appointed, self-estimed Cyber
Policeman, and his stooge, are lacking in concientious work-moral!
Could it be that they have taken on more than they can chew??
reg
<<snipped>>
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Just an FYI and IMHO ... If I choose to participate in a known "troll
thread", and I have here and the entire thread was cancelled by the
admin or his duly authorized agents, I in no way would be offended by
that action without being notified in advance. "Lay down with dogs and
you get up with fleas", you takes yer chances ... <scratch>
Cheers
--
Jay Garcia Netscape/Mozilla Champion
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
then maybe new cancellation policy should be written regarding
situations like this.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
you may not, but others would. This type of removal is not part of the
Etiquette or Cancellation pages. If this type of removal is going to
part of the cancellation policy, them something should be written to
reflect this.
Lester Caine
I've been having some difficulty following this, as I presume much of what is
being talked about happened on the firefox list? and since I don't frequent
THAT list I'm only seeing what has been bounced to the general list.
*I* am uncertain exactly WHO is/was being accused of being a troll, so perhaps
messages from those who are moderating to the list may be useful to control
some of this rather than many repeated messages saying 'TROLL' which do not
seem to relate to anything in particular.
At least on these list we do seem to avoid the totally off topic
political/religious crap that wrecks some of the news groups, but the current
activity seems to be missing something as it does not seem to actually be
aimed at a particular problem because some of use don't see the offending traffic?
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> I've been having some difficulty following this, as I presume much of
> what is being talked about happened on the firefox list? and since I
> don't frequent THAT list I'm only seeing what has been bounced to the
> general list.
>
> *I* am uncertain exactly WHO is/was being accused of being a troll, so
> perhaps messages from those who are moderating to the list may be useful
> to control some of this rather than many repeated messages saying
> 'TROLL' which do not seem to relate to anything in particular.
>
> At least on these list we do seem to avoid the totally off topic
> political/religious crap that wrecks some of the news groups, but the
> current activity seems to be missing something as it does not seem to
> actually be aimed at a particular problem because some of use don't see
> the offending traffic?
>
the problem is with a poster calling himself mkbrown32. He's claiming
that his messages are being deleted. And I proved to him, that all his
messages are coming through, except for one that was deleted. The
problem is he would post something in the FF newsgroup. Someone else
would come along, make a reply, but put a follow up to the
mozilla.general newsgroup. This is the newsgroup for all off topic
discussions. Sometimes that poster would mention about the follow up
and other times they would not. Now when mkbrown32 replied, he's looking
in the FF newsgroup for his message, and can't find it. So, thats when
he's stating his messages are being removed. But its not. All he has to
do is look in the general newsgroup and he'll find his response. But
the problem is he's using google groups, which isn't informing him of
the follow up.
Lester Caine
And the posts on FF were causing a problem? As the stuff here while not
particularly well written just seemed to be someone who WAS having trouble
following the discussion and who was not very patient in listening to the
replies - rather than a 'TROLL' - Use of that I think causes more problem than
the person who is being accused :(
I can't help feeing that we need a little more 'management' to try and prevent
things blowing out of control ;)
Irwin Greenwald
> Just an FYI and IMHO ... If I choose to participate in a known "troll
> thread", and I have here and the entire thread was cancelled by the
> admin or his duly authorized agents, I in no way would be offended by
> that action without being notified in advance. "Lay down with dogs and
> you get up with fleas", you takes yer chances ... <scratch>
>
> Cheers
>
Well said, Jay! I heartily agree. It gets tiresome hearing from the
legal beavers about how this doesn't conform to the policy guidelines,
especially when one of them is the worst OT offender on this server.
--
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Please do not use my email address to make requests for help.
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> On 6/11/2007 5:53 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>
>> Just an FYI and IMHO ... If I choose to participate in a known "troll
>> thread", and I have here and the entire thread was cancelled by the
>> admin or his duly authorized agents, I in no way would be offended by
>> that action without being notified in advance. "Lay down with dogs and
>> you get up with fleas", you takes yer chances ... <scratch>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
> Well said, Jay! I heartily agree. It gets tiresome hearing from the
> legal beavers about how this doesn't conform to the policy guidelines,
> especially when one of them is the worst OT offender on this server.
>
who are you referring to? Me!? I am not "the worst OT offender on this
server." Ever since Gerv made the announcement some months ago, my OT
has dropped considerably. So, back up on who you're talking about!
squaredancer
the Purple Hippo to generate the following:? :
> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>
>> On 6/11/2007 5:53 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Just an FYI and IMHO ... If I choose to participate in a known "troll
>>> thread", and I have here and the entire thread was cancelled by the
>>> admin or his duly authorized agents, I in no way would be offended by
>>> that action without being notified in advance. "Lay down with dogs and
>>> you get up with fleas", you takes yer chances ... <scratch>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>> Well said, Jay! I heartily agree. It gets tiresome hearing from the
>> legal beavers about how this doesn't conform to the policy guidelines,
>> especially when one of them is the worst OT offender on this server.
>>
>>
>
> who are you referring to? Me!? I am not "the worst OT offender on this
> server." Ever since Gerv made the announcement some months ago, my OT
> has dropped considerably. So, back up on who you're talking about!
>
>
Anyways - it would have been more "propper" to have closed the thread,
but left a post saying "why" it had been cancelled! Should be possible
to do that?
reg
squaredancer
>
>> the problem is with a poster calling himself mkbrown32. He's claiming
>>
>
> And the posts on FF were causing a problem? As the stuff here while not
> particularly well written just seemed to be someone who WAS having trouble
> following the discussion and who was not very patient in listening to the
> replies - rather than a 'TROLL' - Use of that I think causes more problem than
> the person who is being accused :(
>
> I can't help feeing that we need a little more 'management' to try and prevent
> things blowing out of control ;)
>
>
Nir but, as I mentioned (and quite rightly so, as the "offender" is
officially known to be a troll - see Dave Miller's post) they were
seriously lacking in their controll function! *IF* they had done what
they relentlessly do to other OT-Posters (delete without warning), the
offending posts/threads (that Dave Miller cancelled) would have been
stopped long ago!
reg
Terry R.
Q might be in mgmt. also now, by some requests I've seen.
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Christopher Jahn
news:EL-dnS8dyuIvE_Db...@mozilla.org:
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> the problem is with a poster calling himself mkbrown32. He's
>> claiming
>
> And the posts on FF were causing a problem? As the stuff here
> while not particularly well written just seemed to be someone
> who WAS having trouble following the discussion and who was
> not very patient in listening to the replies
He was actively ignoring the replies, and refusing to try any
solution to his problem. He kept asking people if they were
Mozilla employees, or accusing people of being Mozilla employess
who refused to admit that they were.
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Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> you may not, but others would. This type of removal is not part of the
> Etiquette or Cancellation pages. If this type of removal is going to
> part of the cancellation policy, them something should be written to
> reflect this.
I understand, fully. However, my point was that if you're tickling the
troll and the thread is cancelled without notification then so be it,
all etiquette policies are no longer valid, IMHO of course. If the troll
thread is cancelled just for the sake of cancelling it because the troll
posts there then that's another situation altogether. The "call" isn't
going to sit well with some users regardless.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
>> Well said, Jay! I heartily agree. It gets tiresome hearing from the
>> legal beavers about how this doesn't conform to the policy guidelines,
>> especially when one of them is the worst OT offender on this server.
>>
>
> who are you referring to? Me!? I am not "the worst OT offender on this
> server." Ever since Gerv made the announcement some months ago, my OT
> has dropped considerably. So, back up on who you're talking about!
>
I can't help but relay an old saying from my Grandfather, "first chicken
to cackle is the one that layed the egg!" :-) However, he wasn't
speaking of you anyway.
The Real Bev
> On 11/06/2007 21:23, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Peter Potamus
> the Purple Hippo to generate the following:? :
>> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/11/2007 5:53 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just an FYI and IMHO ... If I choose to participate in a known "troll
>>>> thread", and I have here and the entire thread was cancelled by the
>>>> admin or his duly authorized agents, I in no way would be offended by
>>>> that action without being notified in advance. "Lay down with dogs and
>>>> you get up with fleas", you takes yer chances ... <scratch>
>>>>
>>> Well said, Jay! I heartily agree. It gets tiresome hearing from the
>>> legal beavers about how this doesn't conform to the policy guidelines,
>>> especially when one of them is the worst OT offender on this server.
>>
>> who are you referring to? Me!? I am not "the worst OT offender on this
>> server." Ever since Gerv made the announcement some months ago, my OT
>> has dropped considerably. So, back up on who you're talking about!
>>
> me, of course! Who else, since even The Real Bev has slmost stopped posting!
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was missed!
Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year flamewar that
resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group, my taste for serious
battle has waned, especially in a group designed to help the helpless (like,
upon occasion, me).
Moreover, I lost the point of this thread a LONG time back. Freedom of the
press means you have to own a press so I don't look with all that much favor
on people who insist on ranting about "censorship" when they're really just
being dumped on for being rude. BTW, who are we talking about? I missed a
lot of back-and-forth ranting -- deliberately.
Moreover, I am not offended by off-topicality. We're humans and while we
may not choose to interact with one another in person or in private email,
we all clearly enjoy public chatting (no, not real-time chat-room chatting!)
on interesting subjects not necessarily contained within the guidelines of
the group at hand.
> Anyways - it would have been more "propper" to have closed the thread,
> but left a post saying "why" it had been cancelled! Should be possible
> to do that?
Carry on!
--
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*******************************************
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after you think you're finished." -- SL
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Anyways - it would have been more "propper" to have closed the thread,
> but left a post saying "why" it had been cancelled! Should be possible
> to do that?
I was just thinking that, and I would have to agree. If the thread is
going to be removed, then one posting should be made explaining why!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year flamewar
> that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group, my taste for
> serious battle has waned, especially in a group designed to help the
> helpless (like, upon occasion, me).
You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like you're
Carol Ann Gulley
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> However, he wasn't
> speaking of you anyway.
>
so, you know exactly what people are saying and to whom they're talking
about.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> However, he wasn't
>> speaking of you anyway.
>>
>
> so, you know exactly what people are saying and to whom they're talking
> about.
>
In this instance, yes, reg admitted it was him shortly after I replied
and that's exactly who I was speaking of.
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year flamewar
>> that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group, my taste for
>> serious battle has waned, especially in a group designed to help the
>> helpless (like, upon occasion, me).
>
> You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like you're
> Carol Ann Gulley
OK, I'll bite. Who is Carol Ann Gulley?
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year flamewar
>>> that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group, my taste
>>> for serious battle has waned, especially in a group designed to help
>>> the helpless (like, upon occasion, me).
>>
>> You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like
>> you're Carol Ann Gulley
>
> OK, I'll bite. Who is Carol Ann Gulley?
>
some one who terrorized the newsgroups and got a lot of them changed
from open to moderated:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=googlet&q=%22carol%20gulley%22&btnG=Search
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> In <news:DMGdnRPyhP6MSfDb...@mozilla.org>,
> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Q might be in mgmt. also now, by some requests I've seen.
>
> joined the team that watches out for OT posts and other netiquette
> problems.
>
so, now there's 4 Gecko SpamMooses: Chris, Nir, Q, and Dave. This list
is growing. I wonder who else is on this list.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> In <news:DMGdnRPyhP6MSfDb...@mozilla.org>,
>> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Q might be in mgmt. also now, by some requests I've seen.
>>
>> I don't help manage the server per se, but yeah, about three weeks ago I
>> joined the team that watches out for OT posts and other netiquette
>> problems.
>>
>
> so, now there's 4 Gecko SpamMooses: Chris, Nir, Q, and Dave. This list
> is growing. I wonder who else is on this list.
>
correction: there are now 5. I forgot about Joe in the mtmm group.
squaredancer
generate the following:? :
> On 11.06.2007 22:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>>> However, he wasn't
>>> speaking of you anyway.
>>>
>>>
>> so, you know exactly what people are saying and to whom they're talking
>> about.
>>
>>
>
> In this instance, yes, reg admitted it was him shortly after I replied
> and that's exactly who I was speaking of.
>
>
reg
squaredancer
the Purple Hippo to generate the following:? :
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
>> »Q« wrote:
>>
>>> In <news:DMGdnRPyhP6MSfDb...@mozilla.org>,
>>> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Q might be in mgmt. also now, by some requests I've seen.
>>>>
>>> I don't help manage the server per se, but yeah, about three weeks ago I
>>> joined the team that watches out for OT posts and other netiquette
>>> problems.
>>>
>>>
>> so, now there's 4 Gecko SpamMooses: Chris, Nir, Q, and Dave. This list
>> is growing. I wonder who else is on this list.
>>
>>
>
> correction: there are now 5. I forgot about Joe in the mtmm group.
>
>
"Moderate Moose" maybe :-P
reg
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> so, now there's 4 Gecko SpamMooses: Chris, Nir, Q, and Dave. This list
> is growing. I wonder who else is on this list.
Pretty soon EVERYone will be on the list and the one poor sap that comes
along that's not on the list will be in BIG trouble ... :-D
squaredancer
generate the following:? :
> On 11.06.2007 23:42, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>> so, now there's 4 Gecko SpamMooses: Chris, Nir, Q, and Dave. This list
>> is growing. I wonder who else is on this list.
>>
>
>
> Pretty soon EVERYone will be on the list and the one poor sap that comes
> along that's not on the list will be in BIG trouble ... :-D
>
>
>
reg
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> may I guess at a name???
>
> reg
Well, can't be you cuz you'll be on the list. 8-)
squaredancer
generate the following:? :
> On 12.06.2007 08:02, squaredancer wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>> may I guess at a name???
>>
>> reg
>>
>
> Well, can't be you cuz you'll be on the list. 8-)
>
>
reg
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> On 12/06/2007 16:00, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay Garcia to
> generate the following:? :
>> On 12.06.2007 08:02, squaredancer wrote:
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>>
>>> may I guess at a name???
>>>
>>> reg
>>>
>>
>> Well, can't be you cuz you'll be on the list. 8-)
>>
>>
> well! *THAT* certainly deflated my ego!
>
> reg
Well harumphhhh ... We can, in that case, start a "Poor Sap List" and
you can head it up then .... ;-)
squaredancer
> On 12.06.2007 09:28, squaredancer wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>> On 12/06/2007 16:00, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Jay Garcia to
>> generate the following:? :
>>
>>> On 12.06.2007 08:02, squaredancer wrote:
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> may I guess at a name???
>>>>
>>>> reg
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, can't be you cuz you'll be on the list. 8-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> well! *THAT* certainly deflated my ego!
>>
>> reg
>>
>
> Well harumphhhh ... We can, in that case, start a "Poor Sap List" and
> you can head it up then .... ;-)
>
>
>
reg
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> do I get a 1) in front of my name ('cos of the ego-trip involved) ??
>
> reg
Absolutely!! In fact we can memorialize that list so you'll live forever
in the Sap Hall of Fame ... :-D
squaredancer
generate the following:? :
> On 12.06.2007 09:46, squaredancer wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>
>> do I get a 1) in front of my name ('cos of the ego-trip involved) ??
>>
>> reg
>>
>
> Absolutely!! In fact we can memorialize that list so you'll live forever
> in the Sap Hall of Fame ... :-D
>
>
would want "some attention" paid!
reg
Dave Miller
<square...@t-online.de> wrote:
> On 11/06/2007 20:05, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Lester Caine
> to generate the following:? :
> > I can't help feeing that we need a little more 'management' to try and
> > prevent things blowing out of control ;)
> >
> these groups *DO* have a management - it's called Chris I and his stooge
> Nir but, as I mentioned (and quite rightly so, as the "offender" is
> officially known to be a troll - see Dave Miller's post) they were
> seriously lacking in their controll function! *IF* they had done what
> they relentlessly do to other OT-Posters (delete without warning), the
> offending posts/threads (that Dave Miller cancelled) would have been
> stopped long ago!
Actually, they were trying to do their job. The problem is the person
causing problems was doing so via Google Groups, and they only have
cancel rights on news.mozilla.org. So they had to forward them all to
me for me to deal with (hence why I'm even involved to begin with), and
getting stuff that originated on Google Groups canceled is a little pit
trickier. A situation which I hope to resolve shortly, but in the
meantime we're at Giganews' mercy here.
--
Dave Miller http://www.justdave.net/
System Administrator, Mozilla Corporation http://www.mozilla.com/
squaredancer
> In article <ItadnaSLI4NkVPDb...@mozilla.org>, squaredancer
> <square...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>> On 11/06/2007 20:05, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Lester Caine
>> to generate the following:? :
>>
>>> I can't help feeing that we need a little more 'management' to try and
>>> prevent things blowing out of control ;)
>>>
>>>
>> these groups *DO* have a management - it's called Chris I and his stooge
>> Nir but, as I mentioned (and quite rightly so, as the "offender" is
>> officially known to be a troll - see Dave Miller's post) they were
>> seriously lacking in their controll function! *IF* they had done what
>> they relentlessly do to other OT-Posters (delete without warning), the
>> offending posts/threads (that Dave Miller cancelled) would have been
>> stopped long ago!
>>
>
> Actually, they were trying to do their job. The problem is the person
> causing problems was doing so via Google Groups, and they only have
> cancel rights on news.mozilla.org. So they had to forward them all to
> me for me to deal with (hence why I'm even involved to begin with), and
> getting stuff that originated on Google Groups canceled is a little pit
> trickier. A situation which I hope to resolve shortly, but in the
> meantime we're at Giganews' mercy here.
>
>
mean that *anyone* posting from Google Groups can put god-holy crap here
and not be "censored" ??
Sounds rather a strange setup for monitorable NGs (note that MTMM is
monitored), so it's no wonder that some people are getting their
lifelines cut and others (presumeably G-groupers) get away with
all-hell-let-loose!
reg!
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year flamewar
>>>> that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group,
...which I eventually supported, BTW...
>>>> my taste
>>>> for serious battle has waned, especially in a group designed to help
>>>> the helpless (like, upon occasion, me).
>>>
>>> You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like
>>> you're Carol Ann Gulley
>>
>> OK, I'll bite. Who is Carol Ann Gulley?
>
> some one who terrorized the newsgroups and got a lot of them changed
> from open to moderated:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=googlet&q=%22carol%20gulley%22&btnG=Search
Sounds like a loon. Do I sound like that?
--
Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 11.0)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The language of victimization is infinitely extensible." -- Me
Blinky the Shark
Can you just block posting from Google Gropers?
--
Blinky RLU 297263
Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
Daniel
So does that make Joe the mtmmmm?!?!
Daniel
Rinaldi J. Montessi
> In <news:PMqdnfTYPO_ynvLb...@mozilla.org>,
> squaredancer <square...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> On 12/06/2007 21:21, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Dave Miller
>> to generate the following:? :
>
>> > person causing problems was doing so via Google Groups, and they
>> > only have cancel rights on news.mozilla.org. So they had to
>> > forward them all to me for me to deal with (hence why I'm even
>> > involved to begin with), and getting stuff that originated on
>> > Google Groups canceled is a little pit trickier. A situation which
>> > I hope to resolve shortly, but in the meantime we're at Giganews'
>> > mercy here.
>>
>> oh well - sorry if I "missinterpreted" their efforts but - does that
>> mean that *anyone* posting from Google Groups can put god-holy crap
>> here and not be "censored" ??
>
> question is whether or not posts from GG can be cancelled, the answer
> is that they can be cancelled. As Dave said, it's a little bit tricker
> to cancel them.
>
>> Sounds rather a strange setup for monitorable NGs (note that MTMM is
>> monitored), so it's no wonder that some people are getting their
>> lifelines cut and others (presumeably G-groupers) get away with
>> all-hell-let-loose!
>
> support groups.
To the casual observer it seems life was much simpler when the the
servers were under the control of the $PRODUCT Champions.
Has anyone considered revisiting the decision to have Google host these
groups?
Rinaldi
--
Real Users are afraid they'll break the machine -- but they're never
afraid to break your face.
"Andrés M."
I wouldn't think of it as a good idea because GGs are widely used and
besides it would force people to either subscribe to a mailing list or
download/set up a news reader.
Looking at http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html the
first thing you see is a GG search box, which is not bad, but I think it
would be a nice move to suggest downloading Thunderbird in that same
area too. Not that everyone will switch to TB, but maybe it will tick
the curiosity of a few :). A simple tutorial on how to subscribe to the
newsgroups wouldn't be bad either. Just something like how to follow the
create account wizard steps.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Actually the "Champs" were never intended to be in *control* over this
server, just provide support - as a recognized group. Although ChrisI
has taken the moderator position, that has nothing to do with being a
"Moz Champ".
Rinaldi J. Montessi
I probably could have phrased that better. I was thinking of the
secnews.netscape.com servers and making the current setup similar. Not
necessarily snews:// (why not?), but without a third party (Google)
involved.
To put a finer point on it; have Mozilla.org host its own newsgroups.
--
Johnson's First Law:
When any mechanical contrivance fails, it will do so at the
most inconvenient possible time.
The Real Bev
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 13.06.2007 02:34, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>>> Has anyone considered revisiting the decision to have Google host these
>>> groups?
>>
>> Actually the "Champs" were never intended to be in *control* over this
>> server, just provide support - as a recognized group. Although ChrisI
>> has taken the moderator position, that has nothing to do with being a
>> "Moz Champ".
>
> I probably could have phrased that better. I was thinking of the
> secnews.netscape.com servers and making the current setup similar. Not
> necessarily snews:// (why not?), but without a third party (Google)
> involved.
>
> To put a finer point on it; have Mozilla.org host its own newsgroups.
Googlegroups -- the new AOL. "Hey dood where are the warezs?"
--
Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 11.0)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Some people are like Slinkies... Not really good for
anything, but they still bring a smile to your face
when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
They used to do just that before they moved off the Netscape server.
Rinaldi J. Montessi
Yes, and it appears the decision to switch might need a second look.
--
... But we've only fondled the surface of that subject.
-- Virginia Masters
Rinaldi J. Montessi
> Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 13.06.2007 02:34, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>
>>>> Has anyone considered revisiting the decision to have Google host these
>>>> groups?
>>>
>>> Actually the "Champs" were never intended to be in *control* over this
>>> server, just provide support - as a recognized group. Although ChrisI
>>> has taken the moderator position, that has nothing to do with being a
>>> "Moz Champ".
>>
>> I probably could have phrased that better. I was thinking of the
>> secnews.netscape.com servers and making the current setup similar. Not
>> necessarily snews:// (why not?), but without a third party (Google)
>> involved.
>>
>> To put a finer point on it; have Mozilla.org host its own newsgroups.
>
> Googlegroups -- the new AOL. "Hey dood where are the warezs?"
Last I looked alt.2600 and alt.warez were alive and well. Been years
though. w00t w00t
--
There was a young lady from Hyde
Who ate a green apple and died.
While her lover lamented
The apple fermented
And made cider inside her inside.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> In <news:DMGdnRPyhP6MSfDb...@mozilla.org>,
> "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Q might be in mgmt. also now, by some requests I've seen.
>
> I don't help manage the server per se, but yeah, about three weeks ago I
> joined the team that watches out for OT posts and other netiquette
> problems.
>
Q always gave Capt Jon Luke Piccard a Fit on StarTrek the next
Generation. Now he'll be giving us fit's on Mozilla Groups ;-)
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailto:pjo...@kimbanet.com
http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm
Mac G4-500, OSX.3.9 Mac 17" PowerBook G4-1.67 Gb, OSX.4.8
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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> On 11.06.2007 23:42, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> so, now there's 4 Gecko SpamMooses: Chris, Nir, Q, and Dave. This list
>> is growing. I wonder who else is on this list.
>
>
> Pretty soon EVERYone will be on the list and the one poor sap that comes
> along that's not on the list will be in BIG trouble ... :-D
>
>
No one takes what I say seriously because I don't write software and I
use a Mac. ;-)
Blinky the Shark
Yeah, setting up a real news reader is the idea. (See link in my sig.)
> Looking at http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html the
> first thing you see is a GG search box, which is not bad, but I think it
> would be a nice move to suggest downloading Thunderbird in that same
> area too. Not that everyone will switch to TB, but maybe it will tick
> the curiosity of a few :). A simple tutorial on how to subscribe to the
> newsgroups wouldn't be bad either. Just something like how to follow the
> create account wizard steps.
All good ideas, IMO.
Blinky the Shark
> Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 13.06.2007 02:34, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>
>>>> Has anyone considered revisiting the decision to have Google host
>>>> these groups?
>>>
>>> Actually the "Champs" were never intended to be in *control* over this
>>> server, just provide support - as a recognized group. Although ChrisI
>>> has taken the moderator position, that has nothing to do with being a
>>> "Moz Champ".
>>
>> I probably could have phrased that better. I was thinking of the
>> secnews.netscape.com servers and making the current setup similar. Not
>> necessarily snews:// (why not?), but without a third party (Google)
>> involved.
>>
>> To put a finer point on it; have Mozilla.org host its own newsgroups.
>
> Googlegroups -- the new AOL. "Hey dood where are the warezs?"
See sig; see link:
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year
>>>>> flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group,
>
> ...which I eventually supported, BTW...
>
>>>>> my taste for serious battle has waned, especially in a group
>>>>> designed to help the helpless (like, upon occasion, me).
>>>>
>>>> You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like
>>>> you're Carol Ann Gulley
>>>
>>> OK, I'll bite. Who is Carol Ann Gulley?
>>
>> some one who terrorized the newsgroups and got a lot of them changed
>> from open to moderated:
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=googlet&q=%22carol%20gulley%22&btnG=Search
>>
>
> Sounds like a loon. Do I sound like that?
>
no, its what you said. You said that you were the "participant in a
9-year flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet
group." Thats what happens with Carol Gulley. Every group she's been
in has gotten to bad, that the group ended up being a moderated one.
--
Please do not email me for help. Reply to the newsgroup only. And only
click on the Reply button, not the Reply All one. Thanks!
Peter Potamus & His Magic Flying Balloon:
http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year
>>>>> flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group,
>
> ...which I eventually supported, BTW...
>
>>>>> my taste for serious battle has waned, especially in a group
>>>>> designed to help the helpless (like, upon occasion, me).
>>>>
>>>> You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like
>>>> you're Carol Ann Gulley
>>>
>>> OK, I'll bite. Who is Carol Ann Gulley?
>>
>> some one who terrorized the newsgroups and got a lot of them changed
>> from open to moderated:
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=googlet&q=%22carol%20gulley%22&btnG=Search
>>
>
> Sounds like a loon. Do I sound like that?
>
no, its what you said. You said that you were the "participant in a
9-year flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> On 11.06.2007 22:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> speaking of you anyway.
>>>
>> so, you know exactly what people are saying and to whom they're talking
>> about.
>>
>
> In this instance, yes, reg admitted it was him shortly after I replied
> and that's exactly who I was speaking of.
>
well, I'm sorry, but it sounded like he was referring to me.
The Real Bev
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Sounds like a loon. Do I sound like that?
>
> no, its what you said. You said that you were the "participant in a
> 9-year flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet
> group." Thats what happens with Carol Gulley. Every group she's been
> in has gotten to bad, that the group ended up being a moderated one.
Did she end up as a moderator?
--
Cheers, Bev (Happy Linux User #85683, Slackware 11.0)
==============================================================
Everyone crashes. Some get back on. Some don't. Some can't.
JoeS
I think that general feeling of camaraderie, patience, and helpfulness
that existed on secnews would be hard to recapture.
Trying to make Newsgroups "business-like" misses the whole point of the
idea of "Community"
JoeS
Dave Miller
<J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
Actually, mozilla.org has never hosted its own newsgroups. Netscape
(now AOL) hosted them at the time. The original plan was to for
mozilla.org to take over hosting them on our own hardware, after the
Mozilla Foundation split from AOL, but we didn't have enough manpower
to handle it internally and couldn't find anyone to volunteer to manage
the server for us either. Then someone tipped off Giganews that we
needed help and they volunteered to take the whole thing. Not having
the manpower to handle it ourselves at the time, and not having any
other volunteers step forward, we took them up on it.
Ken Whiton
*-* In Article 46700F3E...@Senior.Envision,
*-* Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote
*-* About Re: big time censorship happening
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 13.06.2007 02:34, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>>> Has anyone considered revisiting the decision to have Google host
>>> these groups?
>> Actually the "Champs" were never intended to be in *control* over
>> this server, just provide support - as a recognized group. Although
>> ChrisI has taken the moderator position, that has nothing to do
>> with being a "Moz Champ".
> I probably could have phrased that better. I was thinking of the
> secnews.netscape.com servers and making the current setup similar.
> Not necessarily snews:// (why not?), but without a third party
> (Google) involved.
<cynical mode>
I wonder if there's any connection between having Google archive
these groups and the $$$$$ Moz receives in return for the prominent
position Google occupies in FF. ?????
>/cynical mode>
(For anyone who wasn't here, or doesn't remember the thread,
refer to the thread "Where does the $55 million a year go?" from last
month (May 7 and 8) in this group.)
Ken Whiton
FIDO: 1:132/152
InterNet: kenw...@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)
Ken Whiton
*-* In Article s6-dnaUX9ZCl9u3b...@mozilla.org,
*-* The Real Bev wrote
*-* About Re: big time censorship happening
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Sounds like a loon. Do I sound like that?
>> no, its what you said. You said that you were the "participant in
>> a 9-year flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated
>> usenet group." Thats what happens with Carol Gulley. Every group
>> she's been in has gotten to bad, that the group ended up being a
>> moderated one.
> Did she end up as a moderator?
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> In article <4MOdnQWAtYMUju3b...@mozilla.org>, Jay Garcia
> <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13.06.2007 10:37, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>>
>>> To put a finer point on it; have Mozilla.org host its own newsgroups.
>> They used to do just that before they moved off the Netscape server.
>
> Actually, mozilla.org has never hosted its own newsgroups. Netscape
> (now AOL) hosted them at the time. The original plan was to for
> mozilla.org to take over hosting them on our own hardware, after the
> Mozilla Foundation split from AOL, but we didn't have enough manpower
> to handle it internally and couldn't find anyone to volunteer to manage
> the server for us either. Then someone tipped off Giganews that we
> needed help and they volunteered to take the whole thing. Not having
> the manpower to handle it ourselves at the time, and not having any
> other volunteers step forward, we took them up on it.
>
and where do you post this volunteers wanted?
Daniel
Over the last couple of days, reading this thread, I've been thinking
"Originally, when these groups were moving to giganews, didn't ChrisI
say they would be on Google Groups, but only having read permission, or
was this read-only for deja vu??"
Daniel
Daniel
Can TB and Seamonkey installation files be, sort of, pre-configured to
set up the News Servers and News Groups? O.K., so the user would have to
set-up their e-mail address so we don't start getting thousands of posts
from "us...@domain.com" or whatever the default is, but this shouldn't be
to difficult to do.
Daniel
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
> Yes, and it appears the decision to switch might need a second look.
Secnews lives on ... we just moved the server to a new network
wire/location and renewed the SSL Cert. We should be back online
sometime today.
"Andrés M."
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> Having been a willing and vociferous participant in a 9-year
>>>>>> flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet group,
>>
>> ...which I eventually supported, BTW...
>>
>>>>>> my taste for serious battle has waned, especially in a group
>>>>>> designed to help the helpless (like, upon occasion, me).
>>>>>
>>>>> You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like
>>>>> you're Carol Ann Gulley
>>>>
>>>> OK, I'll bite. Who is Carol Ann Gulley?
>>>
>>> some one who terrorized the newsgroups and got a lot of them changed
>>> from open to moderated:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=googlet&q=%22carol%20gulley%22&btnG=Search
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like a loon. Do I sound like that?
>>
>
> no, its what you said. You said that you were the "participant in a
> 9-year flamewar that resulted in the creation of a moderated usenet
> group." Thats what happens with Carol Gulley. Every group she's been
> in has gotten to bad, that the group ended up being a moderated one.
>
So was this Carol Gulley some kind of eminence in the troll society or
what? What did she do exactly?
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>>>> You claim to be The Real Bev, but what you said sounds more like
>>>>>> you're Carol Ann Gulley
>>>>
>>>> from open to moderated:
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=googlet&q=%22carol%20gulley%22&btnG=Search
> So was this Carol Gulley some kind of eminence in the troll society or
> what? What did she do exactly?
take the time out and read the google links I provided above, and you'll
soon find out who she is and what her problem is/was. Its really
hilarious -- atleast thats what I thought..
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
they were supposed to be read-only on google groups, but after a while
that got changed. Maybe it was because too many googlers complained.
Blinky the Shark
How many real-news-client users have to complain to get it changed back?
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T
> In article <4MOdnQWAtYMUju3b...@mozilla.org>, Jay Garcia
> <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13.06.2007 10:37, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>>
>>> To put a finer point on it; have Mozilla.org host its own newsgroups.
>> They used to do just that before they moved off the Netscape server.
>
> Actually, mozilla.org has never hosted its own newsgroups. Netscape
> (now AOL) hosted them at the time. The original plan was to for
> mozilla.org to take over hosting them on our own hardware, after the
> Mozilla Foundation split from AOL, but we didn't have enough manpower
> to handle it internally and couldn't find anyone to volunteer to manage
> the server for us either. Then someone tipped off Giganews that we
> needed help and they volunteered to take the whole thing. Not having
> the manpower to handle it ourselves at the time, and not having any
> other volunteers step forward, we took them up on it.
>
IS Giganews usually a for pay outfit?
I use to receive Usenet news through Sprint by way of my ISP. However;
decided to get out of providing a news feed when their server broke
Down. A Billion dollar plus conglomerate didn't have the bucks to spend
on a news feed server set up. My ISP thankfully still has is news server
setup. so I can receive news post from Mozilla, MicroSoft (Office for
mac) and others.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Dave Miller wrote:
>> In article <4MOdnQWAtYMUju3b...@mozilla.org>, Jay Garcia
>> <J...@JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13.06.2007 10:37, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>>>
>>>> To put a finer point on it; have Mozilla.org host its own newsgroups.
>>> They used to do just that before they moved off the Netscape server.
>>
>> Actually, mozilla.org has never hosted its own newsgroups. Netscape
>> (now AOL) hosted them at the time. The original plan was to for
>> mozilla.org to take over hosting them on our own hardware, after the
>> Mozilla Foundation split from AOL, but we didn't have enough manpower
>> to handle it internally and couldn't find anyone to volunteer to manage
>> the server for us either. Then someone tipped off Giganews that we
>> needed help and they volunteered to take the whole thing. Not having
>> the manpower to handle it ourselves at the time, and not having any
>> other volunteers step forward, we took them up on it.
>>
>
> IS Giganews usually a for pay outfit?
>
> I use to receive Usenet news through Sprint by way of my ISP. However;
> decided to get out of providing a news feed when their server broke
> Down. A Billion dollar plus conglomerate didn't have the bucks to spend
> on a news feed server set up. My ISP thankfully still has is news server
> setup. so I can receive news post from Mozilla, MicroSoft (Office for
> mac) and others.
>
I used to have a 64 Corvette StingRay hard-top roadster. Great little
car. I prefer the older style [including the 50's] more than the newer
ones. They have more personallity than the newer ones.
Smiles
How many ISP in the US still have access to newsgroups I know my ISP is
looking at losing them so I will lose this one as well and will have to
go to giganews or other web based news service
locally I have 5 high speed ISPs only two support newsgroups
hope it helps in the discussion
just a comment
Jay Garcia
--- Original Message ---
Connect directly to the server in your favorite news reader ->
news.mozilla.org
Smiles
will try from work tomorrow because there I have an ISP which does not
support news
Blinky the Shark
Just another one (thought): With free and cheap non-ISP news feeds
available, it doesn't matter how many ISPs offer NNTP. ISP news feeds
generally suck anyway, compared to external feeds.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> With free and cheap non-ISP news feeds available
how about listing some. Thanks!
Christopher Jahn
news:DI2dnY39tK7Js-_b...@mozilla.org:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> With free and cheap non-ISP news feeds available
>
> how about listing some. Thanks!
>
nntp.aioe.org is one.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
..computers *still* are profoundly brittle and stupid,
they are simply vastly more subtle in their stupidity and
brittleness.
(Bruce Sterling)
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:DI2dnY39tK7Js-_b...@mozilla.org:
>
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> With free and cheap non-ISP news feeds available
>> how about listing some. Thanks!
>>
>
> nntp.aioe.org is one.
>
it used to be a great one, but one minute its up, then its down, then
its back up again, then its down again. Now its become one of the poor
usenet hosters.
Smiles
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> <peter.potamus.t...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:DI2dnY39tK7Js-_b...@mozilla.org:
>>
>>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>>> With free and cheap non-ISP news feeds available
>>> how about listing some. Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> nntp.aioe.org is one.
>>
>
> it used to be a great one, but one minute its up, then its down, then
> its back up again, then its down again. Now its become one of the poor
> usenet hosters.
>
well my isp at works does not support newsgroups and port 119 is blocked
I do not connect
now I also find giganews blocked by IT dept I get a warrning notice its
a prohibitated site
Rinaldi J. Montessi
> Hi folks
>
> well my isp at works does not support newsgroups and port 119 is blocked
>
> I do not connect
>
> now I also find giganews blocked by IT dept I get a warrning notice its
> a prohibitated site
Time to dust off your copy of stunnel :-)
--
When in doubt, do what the President does -- guess.
Smiles
> Smiles wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> well my isp at works does not support newsgroups and port 119 is blocked
>>
>> I do not connect
>>
>> now I also find giganews blocked by IT dept I get a warrning notice
>> its a prohibitated site
>
> Time to dust off your copy of stunnel :-)
>
no guess "stunnel"?
Blinky the Shark
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> With free and cheap non-ISP news feeds available
>
> how about listing some. Thanks!
I've used http://news.individual.net for a few years (including when it
had another name) and it's rock solid. 10 euros a *year* (about $13US;
others convert as needed). Text. I highly recommend.
Just to keep current on what's going on, I also use others sometimes. One
is http://www.datemas.de/news/. Free. Text. I recommend.
Another (which I have configured but do not use) is http://news.aioe.org/,
which someone else mentioned. Like his recommendation and the response
which said it was iffy in terms of reliability, I've read both of those
claims elsewhere. I think it's a one-man operation, and I've seen it go
through those iffy times; but I've read that "it's better now". Free.
Text. Very limited daily posting limit. Even the site itself says "This
site is designed as a last resort access". /Caveat Usenettor./
There are others. If you wish check in at news.software.readers and tell
'em I sent you -- the group is actually about clients, as the name
implies, but it's not like you'd be starting the first discussion on
servers. :) Also, there's a newsgroup *on* server comparisons and one
dedicated to *free* servers; I don't remember their names, but they
shouldn't be hard to find.
Did I mention that http://news.individual.net is excellent and at about a
buck a month damnear free? ;)