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alice nodelman  
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 More options Apr 17, 5:20 pm
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From: alice nodelman <anodel...@mozilla.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:20:39 -0700
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 5:20 pm
Subject: do we need talos graph links anymore?
I've been maintaining:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos/Machines#Graph_Links

With https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487329 (Graph Server
migration tracking) we will no longer be using graphs.m.o, but moving
full time to graphs-new.m.o.

Due to the new search features in graphs-new.m.o it is easier to search
for the results that you are interested in - nochrome and fast cycle
results are correctly split out of regular data, you can search by the
waterfall name instead of number (ie, Firefox instead of
moz-central/1.9.2) and there is less old, busted data hiding in the
database.

Is there any point in maintaining the list of graph links anymore?  Can
we get along without it now?

I have filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487333 (update
talos graph links page to use new graph server), but would be just as
happy to WONTFIX it.  I don't want to put effort into maintaining a doc
that isn't in active use.

So, sheriffs/developers - what say you?

alice.


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Mike Shaver  
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 More options Apr 17, 5:39 pm
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From: Mike Shaver <mike.sha...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:39:08 -0400
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: do we need talos graph links anymore?

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM, alice nodelman <anodel...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> So, sheriffs/developers - what say you?

I say they had a good run.

Mike


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Justin Dolske  
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 More options Apr 17, 7:32 pm
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From: Justin Dolske <dol...@mozilla.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:32:13 -0700
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 7:32 pm
Subject: Re: do we need talos graph links anymore?
On 4/17/09 2:20 PM, alice nodelman wrote:

Fine by me. I didn't find the pile-of-links method very useful...
Johnath's PDB2 and catlee's regression scripts (posting here) are are
better way to watch for problems.

Justin


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Jesse Ruderman  
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 More options Apr 22, 6:14 pm
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From: Jesse Ruderman <jruder...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 22 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: do we need talos graph links anymore?
From what I can tell, the new graph server still has many of the
problems that make the list-of-links approach useful:

* It takes a bunch of clicks to get a graph showing all the mozilla-
central Vista Ts results.  This seems like a more common use case than
anything that would necessitate scrolling through a complete list of
machines, so I don't understand why it's so hidden.  And someone who
wants to see multiple platforms or multiple tests is going to have to
go through most of the process several times.

* The page is intimidating, at least to me (I don't use it often).

* The page is slow to load and slow respond to each click, at least in
Firefox debug builds.

* The URLs are really long, making them unfriendly to IRC / email /
human understanding and trusting.  For example, instead of

http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/Ts/Vista

I get

http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/#tests=[{%22test%22:%2216%22,%22branch%22:%221%22,%22machine%22:%2267%22},{%22test %22:%2216%22,%22branch%22:%221%22,%22machine%22:%2268%22},{%22test%22:%2216 %22,%22branch%22:%221%22,%22machine%22:%2269%22},{%22test%22:%2216%22,%22br anch%22:%221%22,%22machine%22:%2270%22}]


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alice nodelman  
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 More options Apr 22, 9:57 pm
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From: alice nodelman <anodel...@mozilla.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:57:51 -0700
Local: Wed, Apr 22 2009 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: do we need talos graph links anymore?
Can we get these issues filed as bugs against graph-server?  I think
that a better fix would be to make graph server more friendly, then just
to accept that it is unwieldy and force maintenance of the graph links.

(Should be in webdev/graph server.)

alice.


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Jesse Ruderman  
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 More options Apr 23, 1:48 pm
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From: Jesse Ruderman <jruder...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:48:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Apr 23 2009 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: do we need talos graph links anymore?
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