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Paul Wang  
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 More options Jan 28 2010, 6:17 pm
Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.security.policy
From: Paul Wang <1bal...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:17:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 28 2010 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: CNNIC Root Inclusion
On 1月29日, 上午5时47分, tophits <wan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After a second thought, I found that even if Firefox didn't add CNNIC
> root certificate as built-in object, CNNIC still can issue a false
> gmail.com certificate signed by its CNNIC SSL secondary CA certificate
> signed by Entrust.net root CA.  The browser will still accept the
> forged gmail.com certificate without any warning.

> So the inclusion of CNNIC Root CA certificate in Firefox is almost
> equivalent to the endorsement by Entrust.net to sign the CNNIC SSL
> secondary CA certificate, which CNNIC already acquired years ago.

> Thus, it is in fact a serious security design flaw in the way that the
> browser handles SSL certificates in the userage scenario.  I suggest
> the following measures to be taken:

> 1. Display clear warning message of certificate change, which is
> possibly a result of MITM attack with a forged certificate.  Firefox
> should include the addon Certificate Patrol [1] as a built-in module.

> 2. Eye-catching display of certificate signing path for HTTPS
> connections, e.g. in the address bar or a floating warning bar like
> that of an addon installation.  Because general non-expert users even
> don't know how to check the certificate signing path.

> It's a big problem, as you can see the PR China government is actively
> involved in cyber attacks against its citizens.  Their secret agents
> used trojan-horse attacks to intrude gmail and Google services
> successfully[2].  They have clear intention to intercept, snoop or
> spoof SSL connections.  There are successful MITM attack experiments
> done on Internet and Tor network, by forging a certificate which the
> general public users won't notice at all because the browser silently
> accepted it.

> It's a real threat to the trust model of PKI. We should have prompt
> countermeasures and actions.

> References:

> [1] Certificate Patrolhttp://patrol.psyced.org/https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/add...
> [2]Kim Zetter: Google Hack Attack Was Ultra Sophisticated, New
> Details Show; January 14, 2010, 8:01 pm;http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/operation-aurora/

Thank you Tophits, for supporting us who are under monitor and
severely limited regarding internet freedom.
I maybe risking my personal freedom to discuss with you here.
Freedom is the spirit of Opensource anyway, isn't it?
If even the SSL fail to protect us, then we can lose the only privacy
or freedom we have left.
I guess I can still remove CNNIC and Entrust.net from trust list
mannually anyway. But disasters could happen to general users who
"accidently" said something the government don't like to hear. It's
horrible even thinking about it. People's privacy and freedom of
speech is all I concerned about.
Displaying warning and signing path sounds like a good idea, better
than silently nothing. Thank you again.

Sincerely,
Wenbo Wang


 
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