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Warren  
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 More options Jan 27 2010, 9:27 pm
Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.security.policy
From: Warren <wenh...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:27:03 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 27 2010 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: CNNIC Root Inclusion
On Jan 28, 1:11 am, Nelson Bolyard <NOnelsonS...@NObolyardSPAM.me>
wrote:

> On 2010-01-27 06:18 PST, Eddy Nigg wrote:

> I've also seen a lot of confusion in the past over who is the source if
> signed software.  A lot of people assume that the certificate issuer,
> rather than the certificate subject, is the source of the signed software.

> Now, we come to the immediate cases to which Eddy provided links:

> >http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client...

> >http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/cnnic.net.cn

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Network_Information_Cente...

> I cannot determine, from the information presented on those pages, if CNNIC
> was itself the source (the signer) of the signed software, or was merely the
> issuer of certificates that were used by other subjects to sign malware.
> The middle of those 3 links says that CNNIC had links to another site,
> tech.sina.com.cn, which on its face seems to be another organization.
> This doesn't seem inconsistent with CNNIC's role as a CA.

> I think we need to be very careful to avoid getting caught in the trap of
> thinking of certificates as attestations of morality or competence, and
> thinking of CAs as judges of morality or competence.  If we allow the role
> of CAs to become defined as being those judges, they will CERTAINLY FAIL.
> So, let's define their role as doing something at which they can succeed,
> namely attesting to binding of keys to vetted identities.

I agree with Eddy. We are not talking about who signed this software.

I am a Chinese internet user. CNNIC has produced a software called
CNNIC_Zhong_Wen_Shang_Wang which is well-known malware software in
China. Beside, I remembered that this software is signed by Verisign,
need to confirm, because CNNIC is not a trusted root CA at that time.

This software are usually installed by users' mistake activity. After
installed, pop-up windows, ADs, force IE homepage and etc. are all
coming. And it's very difficult to uninstall.

I don't know whether current verison of this software is still
malware. But you can also found some infomation from google by
searching "cnnic malware" (without quotes), or you can found some
Chinese people around you to search "CNNIC 中文上网" (
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=CNNIC+%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%...
). Almost all results are relative to "How can I uninstall the d*mn
CNNIC_Zhong_Wen_Shang_Wang".

I don't know whether this certificate will be used for phishing SSL
session in future. But I think the worries are reasonable, because of
the internet censorship in China and GFW project.
Given this organization's past behavior, I personally untrust this
certificate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Re...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Shield_Project    (GFW)


 
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