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From: Michael Schroepfer <sch...@mozilla.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:00:08 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 1:00 am
Subject: Places and Firefox 2
As we have been preparing for the FF2 Alpha2 on May 9 it has become
increasingly clear that we do not have time to complete an implementation of places that lives up to our standards of user experience and quality. Places is a complex and exciting feature which changes the way people use bookmarks, history, and navigate through their private space of the web. Rather than rush it to market - we'd prefer to spend the time it takes to get it right. Thus, we are going to disable Places on the 1.8 branch and continue work To be clear - we're still focused on delivering Places as a truly At the Bon Echo meeting Tuesday at 11am we'll do a more in-depth review Cheers, Schrep You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Matt Nordhoff <mnordh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:27:16 -0400
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 4:27 am
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
On 04/24/06 01:00, Michael Schroepfer wrote:
Without Places, Firefox 2.0 will have nothing new. Security improvements, making the tabbed browsing UI worse ( :-P ), the search XML backend and manager thingy, improved feed discovery, performance and extension support... That's nothing. Even Places isn't very much, if you're only thinking about the frontend as most users will. Users are going to be extremely disappointed when they see nothing new or interesting. mozilla.feedback has "I don't see any big differences" repeated You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Matt Nordhoff <mnordh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:57:54 -0400
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 4:57 am
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
On 04/24/06 04:27, Matt Nordhoff wrote:
> Without Places, Firefox 2.0 will have nothing new. Security Wait, are session restore and the in-line spell checking still going to > improvements, making the tabbed browsing UI worse ( :-P ), the search > XML backend and manager thingy, improved feed discovery, performance and > extension support... That's nothing. Even Places isn't very much, if > you're only thinking about the frontend as most users will. Users are > going to be extremely disappointed when they see nothing new or > interesting. > mozilla.feedback has "I don't see any big differences" repeated be in 2.0? If they are, I'll be okay with 1.7, but still not 2.0. They aren't an (And yes, I know I'm being harsh, and even small improvements are a good You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Matt Nordhoff <mnordh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:35:07 -0400
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
On 04/24/06 04:57, Matt Nordhoff wrote:
> Wait, are session restore and the in-line spell checking still going to Okay, I retract my nastiness, but I still think that without Places, > be in 2.0? > If they are, I'll be okay with 1.7, but still not 2.0. They aren't an > (And yes, I know I'm being harsh, and even small improvements are a good Firefox 2.0 is somewhat disappointing. But then, most of the other things don't really matter to me. Well, security and performance and extension support do, but I don't have problems with them (except the slowness of my huge amounts of bookmarks and history). The session restore feature, I already use Session Manager and will The search stuff is nice, too. Using the XML format reduces the number And Places, well, at least it will be interesting. I'm back down to the Meh. Whatever. I'm rambling more, but at least I'm being nicer. ;-) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Date: 24 Apr 2006 09:36:38 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
Yeah I'm all for this. Places has loads of potential that i'm sure will
get realised, but atm there's too many bugs filed against it in order to give end users a highly polished experience for 2.0. 2.0 will still have a bunch of improvements, including: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "schiller" <codedr...@gmail.com>
Date: 24 Apr 2006 10:49:22 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
What if you want to stack your browser advances up against the other
next-generation browsers soon to be released: IE7 and Opera9? I don't know, going up a rev number is usually a big deal. I guess if Anyway, it's not like people are not going to upgrade (especially with Hey, maybe they can get those recently checked-in SVG performance You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "Brad Fults" <bfu...@gmail.com>
Date: 25 Apr 2006 10:27:48 -0700
Local: Tues, Apr 25 2006 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
100% agreed without reservation.
This will be one of the most underwhelming 2.0 releases in recent I would much rather wait another 6 months or a year for a worthy 2.0 You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "schiller" <codedr...@gmail.com>
Date: 25 Apr 2006 10:53:12 -0700
Local: Tues, Apr 25 2006 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
Brad Fults wrote: The problem with this is the pain that will exist in having three > This will be one of the most underwhelming 2.0 releases in recent > software history from a consumer's point of view. > I would much rather wait another 6 months or a year for a worthy 2.0 separate load lines, 1.8, 1.8.1 and the trunk. A 6-month delay in 2.0 would question why do the 1.8.1 branch at all, just release the trunk when it's ready next year... No, after thinking about it my vote is for sticking to the plan and Anyway, the sooner developers focus on the trunk, the better. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Doron Rosenberg <dor...@us.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:49:06 -0500
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
Will Firefox 2 ship the mozstorage (sqllite) engine then? It might be
worth it for extension authors to have it, even if the main product doesn't use it. Doron You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "Vladimir Vukicevic" <vladim...@gmail.com>
Date: 24 Apr 2006 13:03:37 -0700
Local: Mon, Apr 24 2006 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: Places and Firefox 2
Yes, the plan is still for mozStorage to ship with Fx2 so that it's
available to extension authors. This should give a much nicer alternative to RDF/XML for data storage. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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