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Justin Wood (Callek)  
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 More options Feb 5 2010, 2:38 pm
Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.planning
From: "Justin Wood (Callek)" <Cal...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:38:40 -0500
Local: Fri, Feb 5 2010 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Dropping Mac OS X 10.4 support in Gecko 1.9.3
Phillip,

Realize that doing this plan now means that Mozilla will stop supporting
Firefox 3.6 (and thus 10.4) sometime in 2011. At least a year from now,
possibly even later than that.

It is surely not "drop of a hat".

-
~Justin Wood (Callek)

On 2/5/2010 11:17 AM, Phillip Jones wrote:

> Absolutely Not. I still have two PowerPC machine That use OSX.4.11. My
> Laptop I could if I had the funds go to OSX.5. but it would make it
> slower than the molasses It already is. As it stand now it impractical
> for me update either machine due to lack of funds. Maybe in 2011 I can
> upgrade my Laptop. But not this year . I am going to have to dip into my
> savings to maintain a decent amount in my Checking this year. My Desktop
> will have to wait even longer. Its a G4-500 and and even OSX.5.8 is not
> recommended for it. So if support for 4.11 is removed then that means I
> will have to go to something else such a iCab, Opera, or OmiWeb rather
> than FF. (FireFox) and you don't need to loose users.

> And I am not the only one. I just happen to be the only one to voice an
> opinion. Most just take what they are given and stew in the background.
> Silly me I don't. So in the end my opinion doesn't count for anything.
> You' do what you do. Do what a lot of shareware do, use a two track
> method. designate one for older versions and one for newer versions.

> You can create a one with all the fancy new stuff. Then one for us poor
> people that can drop 3k at the drop of the hat and have to hang on to
> older equipment out of necessity.

> Josh Aas wrote:
>> In September of 2009 we stopped supporting Mac OS X 10.4 ("Tiger") on
>> mozilla-central but we left much of the code required to support that
>> platform in the tree in case we wanted to reverse that decision. We
>> have come to a point where we need to make a final decision and either
>> restore 10.4 support or remove this (large) amount of 10.4 specific
>> code.

>> Here are usage numbers from 2010-01-25:

>> ===========
>> Firefox 3.5
>> ===========
>> 10.6 (Darwin 10.x): 1,497,221 (26%)
>> 10.5 (Darwin 9.x): 2,855,842 (50%)
>> 10.4 (Darwin 8.x): 1,379,770 (24%)
>> All versions of Mac OS X: 5,732,833

>> ===========
>> Firefox 3.6
>> ===========
>> 10.6 (Darwin 10.x): 186,825 (59%)
>> 10.5 (Darwin 9.x): 91,478 (29%)
>> 10.4 (Darwin 8.x): 35,960 (12%)
>> All versions of Mac OS X: 314,263

>> Mac OS X 10.4 was released in April of 2005 and a lot has changed
>> since then. We would like to take advantage of more modern
>> technologies on Mac OS X and 10.4 support has been a hindrance. Where
>> we can work around supporting 10.4, doing so consumes valuable time
>> and effort. Neither Chrome nor Safari has to deal with this.

>> The approximately 25% of our Mac OS X users still on 10.4 would
>> continue to be supported by Firefox 3.6 until that product reaches end
>> of service, which won't be until several months after the next major
>> version of Firefox is delivered (built on Gecko 1.9.3) later this
>> year. Past data shows that we do not lose appreciable market share
>> when we stop supporting a Mac OS X version. We are often one of the
>> last vendors to continue supporting older Mac OS X releases, and I
>> suspect that by the time this becomes an issue Apple may themselves
>> have stopped issuing security updates for Mac OS X 10.4.

>> Adding 10.4 support back to mozilla-central would mean switching back
>> to ATSUI from Core Text, switching back to gcc-4.0 from gcc-4.2, and
>> doing a bit of porting work for code that has been added to the tree
>> since we dropped support for 10.4. Other areas where 10.4 support
>> consumes our time, makes our code more complex or error-prone, and/or
>> limits our capabilities include complex text input (IME), out-of-
>> process plugins, printing, native menus, and Core Animation.
>> Furthermore, Apple's upcoming JavaPlugin2 will not support Mac OS X
>> 10.4.

>> We are planning to make the decision to remove 10.4 support final and
>> remove the code from the tree. If you have any strong objections
>> please let us know now.


 
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