[ANNOUNCE] Sign-off threads are the past, opt-ins webtool is up
Axel Hecht
I have some good news for all of us, we're killing off the sign-off
threads. We all loved them, right, and they had their time. Farewell,
dear friends.
What's next is https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/, which is going to be
l10n.mozilla.org at some point. It is already having a bunch more things
than just sign-off, and will have more, but let's focus on sign-off for
the sake of this post.
For those that like screencasts and not reading, I've created one, that
hopefully guides you through the steps. http://vimeo.com/9194006 for
your viewing pleasure, just 5 mins. (*)
Here's the rough script:
* Go to https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/
(https, not http, there's nobody listening on port 80)
* Go to "Localization Teams"
* Find your teams page.
This should get you to
https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/teams/[locale code]
* That page should eventually hold information or links relevant to you
* There's a link down at the end to "Dashboard with signoffs for ...",
follow that
* Find yourself at a dashboard mostly as you're used to. There's an
additional column, called sign-offs.
* For the tree that you want to sign off on, follow that link
* Sign in with your ldap credentials at the bottom left.
* Pushes are shown from the left to the right, getting older. The
tooltip over the changesets is your check-in comment.
* self-review the diff, which is against the currently accepted
sign-off. (That one itself is in a green box.)
* If things are good, push the "signoff" button.
* navigate back to your signoff dashboard, and find that there is now a
pending signoff mentioned.
Drivers for the apps will go through those signoffs and regularly review
them. They can then either accept them (updating the changeset for the
next update), or reject them. At that point they should tell you why.
Which will be more automatic than that.
I've imported data for fx, fennec, seamonkey, tb. You should cross-check
if that's right.
Bugs on the site should go in "Mozilla Localizations", "Infrastructure"
and have a summary starting with [dashboard].
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mozilla
Localizations&component=Infrastructure&rep_platform=All&op_sys=All&short_desc=[dashboard]
gets you there.
That mail is long enough, and there's more to talk about in other
threads. Feel free to use the newsgroup again for real communication :-)
Hope you'll like it
Axel
(*)/PS: that's my first screencast evvar, be gentle.
Axel Hecht
stuff on the screencast, and uploading it.
Seth Bindernagel
Over the past several months, many localizers asked for a tool like this
and now you have it. PLEASE, please, please take a look at the details
of Axel's email below and then experiment with this new tool. This is a
very big change in how we have asked localizers to manage the revisions
of their work from Mercurial and will make the reporting of your change
sets so much easier.
Now, let's all join together in one last massive email thread by piling
on our thanks to Gandalf and Axel who are the two masterminds behind
this application. Axel conceived the idea and wrote the initial code.
Gandalf co-developed it, helping to bring the entire project to the
finish. It's a terrific accomplishment and my personal thanks goes out
to them in this public forum.
Thanks guys, this is going to make everyone's life much easier.
Warm regards,
-Seth
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Hasse
wrote...
> I have some good news for all of us, we're killing off the sign-off
> threads. We all loved them, right, and they had their time. Farewell,
> dear friends.
Thanks to all who made this move possible!
One question though:
> * Sign in with your ldap credentials at the bottom left.
I assume my user name is the one I use for my hg account, but what's
the password? I have only used the account together with my ssh key,
and are not aware of having any password.
--
Hasse
sv-SE l10n team
wladow
be really helpful.
> * Pushes are shown from the left to the right, getting older. The
> tooltip over the changesets is your check-in comment.
I suggest to reverse the order. This view is some kind of timeline and
therefore it should be left-to-right ordered with the most recent push
on the right. I was just looking at the signoffs and the first diff I've
intuitively clicked on was the one on the right next to the currently
accepted signoff.
Another suggestion:
move the Sign off button into the diff view and make "diff" link a
button. Why?
- localizer should review the diff he wants to sign off
- when doing so he needs to open and close to diff, closing the diff is
currently with no action, just with a decision in mind
- if the button was on the diff page, it would avoid localizers from
clicking the button accidentally, like I just did :)
--
wladow
Romi Hardiyanto
>> * Sign in with your ldap credentials at the bottom left.
>
> I assume my user name is the one I use for my hg account, but what's
> the password? I have only used the account together with my ssh key,
> and are not aware of having any password.
You could file a bug like me to reset the LDAP password:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541687
Just mention your SVN/CVS account bug.
Romi
Zbigniew Braniecki
wladow wrote:
> Big thanks goes to everyone involved in getting this up and ready, it'll
> be really helpful.
>
>> * Pushes are shown from the left to the right, getting older. The
>> tooltip over the changesets is your check-in comment.
>
> I suggest to reverse the order. This view is some kind of timeline and
> therefore it should be left-to-right ordered with the most recent push
> on the right. I was just looking at the signoffs and the first diff I've
> intuitively clicked on was the one on the right next to the currently
> accepted signoff.
Yea, I also hate the way its laid out now. It's against the common sense
for most cultures (time demensioning and visualization is culture
dependent), but on the other hand, websites are layed out from left to
right (for most cultures as well).
So if we reverse the order, you'll have the oldest ones on the left and
you'll have to scroll (or we will scroll) to the right for you and you
will have to click to unveil new things (older checkins) coming from the
left which is against the way we think of websites.
We may end up doing this vertically instead of horizontally, we don't know.
Oh, if you have an idea of how the UI should look like, please, please,
support us with a mockup. Even in MS Pain(t)! I'd love to see another
approach to the UI that we could use.
Thanks for the feedback! We're proud and happy to present what we have,
and we know it requires much more work! :)
Greetings,
gandalf
Robert Kaiser
> Now, let's all join together in one last massive email thread by piling
> on our thanks to Gandalf and Axel who are the two masterminds behind
> this application.
I fully agree, thanks a real lot for this tremendously cool work!
Robert Kaiser
Fryske Firefox
This is so cool, very well done indeed!.
Makes life more easier, thank you again!
Kind regards,
Wim
fryske...@gmail.com
fjoerfoks.blogspot.com
www.mozilla-nl.org/
www.mozbrowser.nl
www.fryskesoftware.nl
Rimas Kudelis
> Hi all,
>
> I have some good news for all of us, we're killing off the sign-off
> threads. We all loved them, right, and they had their time. Farewell,
> dear friends.
>
> What's next is https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/, which is going to be
> l10n.mozilla.org at some point. It is already having a bunch more things
> than just sign-off, and will have more, but let's focus on sign-off for
> the sake of this post.
>
Hi Axel, Gandalf and other folks,
just wanted to say that this is Absolutely Awesome, thanks a lot for
your work! Hope those sign-off threads will die ASAP.
RQ
Jesper Kristensen
> Hi all,
>
> I have some good news for all of us, we're killing off the sign-off
> threads. We all loved them, right, and they had their time. Farewell,
> dear friends.
>
> What's next is https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/, which is going to be
> l10n.mozilla.org at some point. It is already having a bunch more things
> than just sign-off, and will have more, but let's focus on sign-off for
> the sake of this post.
This looks really great. Thank You.
The day before you posted this, I did a sign-off for tb30x, but your new
dashboard still shows the old sign-off. Should I wait for the dashboard
to be updated, or should I sign off again using the new dashboard?
Jesper Kristensen
You could turn the table 90 degrees, then there would be no scrolling
http://temp.jesperkristensen.dk/mozilla/l10n-dashboard/pushes.htm
Guillermo López <willyaranda>
1) Maybe the more-recent-pushes should be at the left, yes, it could
be confusing and anti-natural for the occidental culture, but I think
it's better since it is not neccessary to scroll to the right to see
the actual push.
2) Anyway, I think that could be nice to "hide" the pushes that are at
the right of the page if the actual sign-off is far from the entries
of the screen (and show 4 or 5 and then the actual sign-off)
3) The table by Jesper could be very nice, but I would change the new
revs to the top, and the older to the bottom (new to old).
err… 3) typo: "Signoff for Firefox 3.6 .2 es-ES (open) " (see the
blank space between 3.6 and .2), for example here:
https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/pushes?locale=es-ES&av=fx3.6
(ocurring in all branches)
Regards
Guillermo López <willyaranda>
One more thing, when you click in the "Sign-off" button, the new page
shows the infobar at the bottom (, but I think that should not be
hided automatically (and less to be too quick as actual).
More eurocents to this discussion.
Guillermo López <willyaranda>
Arg, sorry for sent this in different replies:
1) If I sing-off a new rev for example in Firefox 3.6 and then I
change to the Thunderbird page, it shows at the bottom that I have
asked for a revision and a new signoff for Firefox (should be this
shown? or not?)
2) When I'm seeing the diff page (p.e.
https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/diff?tree=tb30x&locale=es-ES&from=3311ccc1de42&repo=releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.1/es-ES&url=http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.1/es-ES/&to=54ecbfb0db42
) the box that sais that I'm logged in as willyaranda@… is not always
at the bottom if I scroll down (it moves instead of being sticked at
the bottom-right).
And another idea, if I want to see the diff for Thunderbird, maybe I
don't want to see the differences in any part of the tree that
actually is not used for Thunderbird. For example, collapse
automatically "browser, suite" and things not used for Thunderbird, or
"mail, suite" for Firefox…
Regards
Axel Hecht
> My 0,02� to this AWESOME tool�
>
> 1) Maybe the more-recent-pushes should be at the left, yes, it could
> be confusing and anti-natural for the occidental culture, but I think
> it's better since it is not neccessary to scroll to the right to see
> the actual push.
>
> 2) Anyway, I think that could be nice to "hide" the pushes that are at
> the right of the page if the actual sign-off is far from the entries
> of the screen (and show 4 or 5 and then the actual sign-off)
>
> 3) The table by Jesper could be very nice, but I would change the new
> revs to the top, and the older to the bottom (new to old).
>
> blank space between 3.6 and .2), for example here:
> https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/pushes?locale=es-ES&av=fx3.6
> (ocurring in all branches)
>
Not typo, bug. The Milestone name is composed of app name, major version
and minor version, and it concats all three by ' '. Which is great if
the minor version is Beta 2 or RC 1. It sucks for .5. Gotta fix that to
only use ' ' for the latter if the minor version doesn't start with a '.'.
Axel
Axel Hecht
Just sign off again.
Axel
Robert Kaiser
> Drivers for the apps will go through those signoffs and regularly review
> them. They can then either accept them (updating the changeset for the
> next update), or reject them. At that point they should tell you why.
> Which will be more automatic than that.
>
> I've imported data for fx, fennec, seamonkey, tb. You should cross-check
> if that's right.
As a note, this is really true, all those apps can work with that tool now!
SeaMonkey 2.0.3 for example will be shipped off the currently accepted
revisions in the tool, and further 2.0.x opt-ins / sign-offs should be
done there!
Again, thanks Axel and gandalf!
Robert Kaiser
Ricardo Palomares Martínez
> I have some good news for all of us, we're killing off the sign-off
> threads. We all loved them, right, and they had their time. Farewell,
> dear friends.
Thank you very much for the work, We'll miss (or not) the sign-off
threads from now on. :-)
> * Sign in with your ldap credentials at the bottom left.
AFAIK, LDAP credentials were originally tied to SVN access, which I
never asked for (I requested back in 2006 a CVS account and that's how
I got the current Mercurial one). Should I ask for a new LDAP account,
or do I already have an (unknown) LDAP account to be resetted?
> (*)/PS: that's my first screencast evvar, be gentle.
Very professional, indeed; it is a pity Oscar's nominees are set and
done. :-)
TIA
Axel Hecht
> Axel Hecht escribi�:
>> I have some good news for all of us, we're killing off the sign-off
>> threads. We all loved them, right, and they had their time. Farewell,
>> dear friends.
>
>
> Thank you very much for the work, We'll miss (or not) the sign-off
> threads from now on. :-)
>
>
>> * Sign in with your ldap credentials at the bottom left.
>
>
> AFAIK, LDAP credentials were originally tied to SVN access, which I
> never asked for (I requested back in 2006 a CVS account and that's how
> I got the current Mercurial one). Should I ask for a new LDAP account,
> or do I already have an (unknown) LDAP account to be resetted?
>
Just file a bug on mozilla.org, server operations, and CC me. Note that
it's an account in the hg_l10n group.
>> (*)/PS: that's my first screencast evvar, be gentle.
>
>
> Very professional, indeed; it is a pity Oscar's nominees are set and
> done. :-)
Thanks
Axel
Ricardo Palomares Martínez
> On 07.02.10 13:41, Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote:
>> Axel Hecht escribió:
>>> * Sign in with your ldap credentials at the bottom left.
>>
>> AFAIK, LDAP credentials were originally tied to SVN access, which I
>> never asked for (I requested back in 2006 a CVS account and that's how
>> I got the current Mercurial one). Should I ask for a new LDAP account,
>> or do I already have an (unknown) LDAP account to be resetted?
>>
>
> Just file a bug on mozilla.org, server operations, and CC me. Note that
> it's an account in the hg_l10n group.
Filed:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=544782
As always, thank you for being there to help us.
Simon Paquet
I will not be using the new dashboard functionality for TB 3.0.2,
but will start to use it for TB 3.0.3 and onwards as well as for
TB 3.1 beta1 and the following TB 3.1 releases.
Therefore please continue to opt-in for TB 3.0.2 in the opt-in thread
that is still open until that release is out of the door.
Cya
Simon
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Calendar developer blog: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar
Marcelo Poli
> Now, let's all join together in one last massive email thread by piling
> on our thanks to Gandalf and Axel who are the two masterminds behind
> this application. Axel conceived the idea and wrote the initial code.
> Gandalf co-developed it, helping to bring the entire project to the
> finish. It's a terrific accomplishment and my personal thanks goes out
I Agree with that.
We don't have to search the newsgroup anymore trying to find the current
post for opt-ins.
Thanks Gandalf and Axel.
João Miguel Neves
after using it :D.
Congratulations to all!
Who can sign-off on pt-PT changeset? If possible, I'd prefer if it was
me and/or Carlos Simão (he usually covers my ass when the work is
requiring my full-time attention).
Best regards,
João Miguel Neves
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Axel Hecht
> I loved the idea when you presented it in Prague. I love it even more
> after using it :D.
>
> Congratulations to all!
Thanks.
> Who can sign-off on pt-PT changeset? If possible, I'd prefer if it was
> me and/or Carlos Sim�o (he usually covers my ass when the work is
> requiring my full-time attention).
Anyone with an l10n hg account can sign-off for anything. We currently
don't bind anyone to any project/locale combo, though I personally would
probably check back if it occured to me that the person doesn't belong
to a particular locale.
Not sure if we'll need anything more strict, I assume that to be a
non-issue and not spend time on it unless reality proves me wrong.
Bottom line, from what I can tell, Carlos can opt-in, under the
assumption that he does so in agreement with you. I'd consider that to
make him a peer of browser, and as such a proper fallback for real life.
Axel