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Seth Bindernagel

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Oct 4, 2009, 5:52:06 AM10/4/09
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Hi Everyone:

At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
to *all localizers* who are interested.

*The Report
*
Attached is a sample of the report, using our pt-PT locale to show a
sample of the data we will present. When you open this report, you will
see four blocks of information about Firefox versions 3.5, 3, and 2. It
includes

* "Blocklist <http://morgamic.com/tag/blocklist/> pings" for your locale
* Blocklist pings for top localizations in country where locale is
most prominent
* Total downloads for your locale
* Downloads of the other top localizations in the country where your
locale is most prominently spoken

This report will come each week with new data.

*Sign up for it!*

If you would like to receive this customized report for your locale,
please opt-in by sending me an email with your name, email address, and
your locale. *We will accept the first round of opt-ins until October
15, 2009 at 11:59 PM Mountain View time. (UTC-7) *(You will be able to
add names ongoing, but we'd like to get our initial batch to the metrics
team by October 15.)

*Your Remarks*

This report format is set for version 1.0. Please review it for a
period of time, gathering your feedback, and send a summary to me. I
will compile all feedback, present it to the metrics team, and we will
make improvements for a future release.

Thanks, everyone. Hope you find this useful.

Best,

Seth

Mad Maks

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Oct 4, 2009, 6:06:26 AM10/4/09
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Op 10/04/2009 11:52 AM, Seth Bindernagel schreef:

> Attached is a sample of the report,

i don't see a asttachment.

greetings

MM

se...@mozilla.com

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Oct 4, 2009, 7:29:04 AM10/4/09
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Some reported that the report was not attached. I am attaching it again, even though my webmail interface says that it is already attached. Sorry if two identical reports come through.

-Seth

----- "Seth Bindernagel" <se...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.
>

> The Report


>
> Attached is a sample of the report, using our pt-PT locale to show a
> sample of the data we will present. When you open this report, you
> will see four blocks of information about Firefox versions 3.5, 3, and
> 2. It includes
>
>

> • " Blocklist pings" for your locale
> • Blocklist pings for top localizations in country where locale is
> most prominent
> • Total downloads for your locale
> • Downloads of the other top localizations in the country where


> your locale is most prominently spoken
>
> This report will come each week with new data.
>

> Sign up for it!


>
> If you would like to receive this customized report for your locale,
> please opt-in by sending me an email with your name, email address,

> and your locale. We will accept the first round of opt-ins until
> October 15, 2009 at 11:59 PM Mountain View time. (UTC-7) (You will be


> able to add names ongoing, but we'd like to get our initial batch to
> the metrics team by October 15.)
>

> Your Remarks

Seth Bindernagel

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Oct 4, 2009, 7:38:34 AM10/4/09
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Not sure, but it looked like the last message did not have an attachment either. Trying one more time. Please let me know if there are any issues.

Sorry for this third message.

-Seth

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Toni Hermoso Pulido

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Oct 4, 2009, 7:41:07 AM10/4/09
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Hi Seth,

I didn't receive either.
Maybe could you try uploading it somewhere?

2009/10/4 Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com>:


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Robert Kaiser

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Oct 4, 2009, 8:30:31 AM10/4/09
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se...@mozilla.com wrote:
> Some reported that the report was not attached. I am attaching it again, even though my webmail interface says that it is already attached. Sorry if two identical reports come through.

At least the newsgroups disallow attachments completely, possibly the
mailing list as well.

Robert Kaiser

Seth Bindernagel

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Oct 4, 2009, 8:57:38 AM10/4/09
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This should help everyone:

http://l10n.mozilla.org/~stas/l10n-reports/

Thanks, Staś.

Marcelo Poli

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Seth Bindernagel escribi�:

> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.
>

es-AR opting in. Just as we told you.

Mad Maks

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Op 10/04/2009 11:52 AM, Seth Bindernagel schreef:
> If you would like to receive this customized report for your locale,
> please opt-in by sending me an email with your name, email address, and
> your locale.

nl is opting in

Ankit Patel

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Oct 7, 2009, 2:29:07 AM10/7/09
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Seth Bindernagel wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available to
> *all localizers* who are interested.
>

gu-IN is interested as well.

Thanks!

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Giacomo Magnini

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Oct 7, 2009, 4:12:34 AM10/7/09
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Seth Bindernagel wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available to
> *all localizers* who are interested.


'it' is interested,too.
Ciao, Giacomo.

Håvard Mork

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Oct 7, 2009, 4:52:17 AM10/7/09
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Den 04.10.2009 11:52, skrev Seth Bindernagel:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.

We're interested in this for nb-NO, in particular to see the
distribution of users between the two norwegian languages (nb-NO / nn-NO).

文少华

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Oct 7, 2009, 5:31:58 AM10/7/09
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zh-CN opt in.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available to
> *all localizers* who are interested.
>

> *The Report
> *


> Attached is a sample of the report, using our pt-PT locale to show a sample
> of the data we will present. When you open this report, you will see four
> blocks of information about Firefox versions 3.5, 3, and 2. It includes
>

> * "Blocklist <http://morgamic.com/tag/blocklist/> pings" for your locale

> * Blocklist pings for top localizations in country where locale is
> most prominent
> * Total downloads for your locale
> * Downloads of the other top localizations in the country where your


> locale is most prominently spoken
>
> This report will come each week with new data.
>

> *Sign up for it!*


>
> If you would like to receive this customized report for your locale, please
> opt-in by sending me an email with your name, email address, and your

> locale. *We will accept the first round of opt-ins until October 15, 2009 at
> 11:59 PM Mountain View time. (UTC-7) *(You will be able to add names


> ongoing, but we'd like to get our initial batch to the metrics team by
> October 15.)
>

> *Your Remarks*


>
> This report format is set for version 1.0. Please review it for a period
> of time, gathering your feedback, and send a summary to me. I will compile
> all feedback, present it to the metrics team, and we will make improvements
> for a future release.
>
> Thanks, everyone. Hope you find this useful.
>

Timur

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Oct 7, 2009, 5:32:14 AM10/7/09
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> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.

kk (Kazakh) opts in

Raivis Dejus

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Oct 7, 2009, 6:09:41 AM10/7/09
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lv opts in as well

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM, 文少华 <shaoh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> zh-CN opt in.
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone:
> >

> > At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> > L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available to
> > *all localizers* who are interested.
> >

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Emilio Sepulveda

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Oct 7, 2009, 7:26:04 AM10/7/09
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2009/10/4 Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com>:

> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available to
> *all localizers* who are interested.
es-CL opts in

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F Wolff

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Op So, 2009-10-04 om 11:52 +0200 skryf Seth Bindernagel:

> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.
>
> *The Report
> *
> Attached is a sample of the report, using our pt-PT locale to show a
> sample of the data we will present. When you open this report, you will
> see four blocks of information about Firefox versions 3.5, 3, and 2. It
> includes

Hi Seth.

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't see any sample for Portuguese attached.


> *Sign up for it!*

It sounds interesting for Afrikaans (af).


Keep well
Friedel


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Benoit

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Oct 7, 2009, 9:06:19 AM10/7/09
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Le 4/10/2009 11:52, Seth Bindernagel a �crit :

> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.

Hi Seth,

fr would want to opt-in as well.

I have a remark though:

Some of the most interesting numbers are limited to the "country where
locale is most prominent". This is very unfortunate to me as I'll never
see any stats for Belgium (both languages spoken here are "most
prominent" in some other country: fr in France, nl in The Netherlands).

I think the same goes for other european countries such as Switzerland,
Luxembourg or even Austria.

Would it be possible to add a section for selected other countries the
localization team is interested too? Or for every country where our
locale use is over 10%?

Alternatively, maybe we could just have "Country Reports" in addition to
"Locale Reports".

--
Benoit
FrenchMozilla l10n team

Hung. NGUYEN Manh

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Oct 7, 2009, 10:04:58 AM10/7/09
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Vietnamese (vi) opt-in

Btw, you know, Fx3.5 marked the 1st time a Vietnamese version was released! So it'd be great if you could provide us more info such as:
- total Vietnamese Fx3.5 downloads vs total Fx3.5 downloads (1 month and 3 months after Fx3.5 launch day)
- total Fx3.5 downloads from Vietnam vs total Fx3.5 downloads (1 month and 3 months after Fx3.5 launch day)
etc...

Thank you,

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----- Original Message ----
> From: Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com>
> To: dev-l10n <dev-...@lists.mozilla.org>
> Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 4:52:06 PM
> Subject: [opt-in] New metrics reports for localizers
>
> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available to *all
> localizers* who are interested.
>

> *The Report
> *
> Attached is a sample of the report, using our pt-PT locale to show a sample of
> the data we will present. When you open this report, you will see four blocks
> of information about Firefox versions 3.5, 3, and 2. It includes
>

> * "Blocklist pings" for your locale
> * Blocklist pings for top localizations in country where locale is
> most prominent

willyaranda

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Oct 7, 2009, 10:47:32 AM10/7/09
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Hi Seth

es-ES is very interested in your metrics.

And I think that if you can provide us information about metrics for
some of the latin-america countries like Chile, Mexico, Argentina and
so on would be very nice as we can though problems about marketing our
l10ns.

Regards!

Anas Husseini

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Oct 7, 2009, 10:55:46 AM10/7/09
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Hi Seth,

Arabic (ar) opts in too.

Regards

- Anas

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available to
> *all localizers* who are interested.
>
> *The Report
> *
> Attached is a sample of the report, using our pt-PT locale to show a sample
> of the data we will present.  When you open this report, you will see four
> blocks of information about Firefox versions 3.5, 3, and 2.  It includes
>

>   * "Blocklist <http://morgamic.com/tag/blocklist/> pings" for your locale


>   * Blocklist pings for top localizations in country where locale is
>     most prominent
>   * Total downloads for your locale
>   * Downloads of the other top localizations in the country where your
>     locale is most prominently spoken
>
> This report will come each week with new data.
>
> *Sign up for it!*
>
> If you would like to receive this customized report for your locale, please
> opt-in by sending me an email with your name, email address, and your
> locale. *We will accept the first round of opt-ins until October 15, 2009 at
> 11:59 PM Mountain View time.  (UTC-7) *(You will be able to add names
> ongoing, but we'd like to get our initial batch to the metrics team by
> October 15.)
>
> *Your Remarks*
>
> This report format is set for version 1.0.  Please review it for a period of
> time, gathering your feedback, and send a summary to me.  I will compile all
> feedback, present it to the metrics team, and we will make improvements for
> a future release.
>
> Thanks, everyone.  Hope you find this useful.
>
> Best,
>
> Seth
>

Rimas Kudelis

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Oct 7, 2009, 12:41:34 PM10/7/09
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Hi Seth,

lt opts in.

RQ

Kristján Bjarni Guðmundsson

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Icelandic (is) opts in.

Francisco Picolini

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El 07/10/09 6:03, Marcelo Poli escribió:
> Seth Bindernagel escribió:

Hi seth, es-ES opting in, thanks.

Regards

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Siarhei

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Belarusian (be) opts in.


Siarhei

Timothy Babych

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Oct 9, 2009, 12:34:44 PM10/9/09
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Hello, Seth!

Ukrainian (uk) opts in.

04.10.09 12:52, Seth Bindernagel написав(ла):

Дамјан Георгиевски

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> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.

Why do we need sign-ins for this? Couldn't you just put all the reports
at some url so we could fetch them when we are interested?

like the dashboard.


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Seth Bindernagel

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Дамјан Георгиевски wrote:
>> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
>> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
>> to *all localizers* who are interested.
>>
>
> Why do we need sign-ins for this? Couldn't you just put all the reports
> at some url so we could fetch them when we are interested?
>
> like the dashboard.

Sadly, our web dev infrastructure for the metrics only allows us to send
reports right now. I can ask if we would be able to log in. Thanks for
the suggestion.

Дамјан Георгиевски

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Oct 10, 2009, 6:53:57 PM10/10/09
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ok then I'd like to see them too opt in for the macedonian locale.


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Abdulkadir Topal

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Oct 11, 2009, 1:56:35 PM10/11/09
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Seth Bindernagel schrieb:
> Hi Everyone:

>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.

Opting in for -de- German

Best,
Kadir

Alexander L. Slovesnik

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Oct 12, 2009, 4:06:29 PM10/12/09
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Russian (ru) opts in.

Erdal Ronahi

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Oct 12, 2009, 5:20:02 PM10/12/09
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Very interesting indeed! Kurdish (ku) also opts in.

Best,
Erdal

Ricardo Meza

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Hi Seth!

I want it please! :D

Ricardo Meza - es-MX

2009/10/12 Erdal Ronahi <erdal....@gmail.com>

> Very interesting indeed! Kurdish (ku) also opts in.
>
> Best,
> Erdal

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LOBA YEASMEEN

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Oct 13, 2009, 12:38:34 AM10/13/09
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Hello,

> *Sign up for it!*
>
> If you would like to receive this customized report for your locale,
> please opt-in by sending me an email with your name, email address, and
> your locale.
>

bn_BD is also interested to get the matrix report.

Here having a confusion about the matrix %w/w.
If you give a direction about the details of this report then it would be
very helpfull to understand. How values of %of total, %w/w have been
counted?

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Jeferson Hultmann

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Oct 13, 2009, 12:44:41 AM10/13/09
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Opting in for pt-BR

cheers
Jeferson

arjun

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:56:14 PM11/19/09
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Glad to see the first report for Telugu.
Here is some feedback.
PDF does not display the tables properly on Linux PDF document
viewer.for the tables
Blocklist for Te, Downloads for Te, where /w firefox goes to the
second row and the numbers are not aligned. Web version certainly will
help
Other tables display allright

Need help to interpret the following
Blocklist for Top Localizations in India where locale is most
prominent appears twice,
The first heading may be prefixed with Countrywise and the second one
changed countrywise downloads for Te.(?)

How do you read the country information, is it from the locale
reported by the browser that is being used to download?
How do you determine the country in the country with te users table.

Can you show cumulative downloads for localized language for each
version.

If I want to compare comparison of firefox in my mother tongue's
sister languages (Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam etc), can you help.

Thanks for the good initiative, as it shows the results of the
volunteer effort.
Regards
Arjun

On Oct 4, 2:52 pm, Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
> At the MozCamp in Prague today, I presented a sample report that the
> L10n-drivers and the Mozilla Metrics Team would like to make available
> to *all localizers* who are interested.
>

> *The Report
> *
> Attached is a sample of the report, using our pt-PT locale to show a
> sample of the data we will present.  When you open this report, you will
> see four blocks of information about Firefox versions 3.5, 3, and 2.  It
> includes
>
>     * "Blocklist <http://morgamic.com/tag/blocklist/> pings" for your locale
>     * Blocklist pings for top localizations in country where locale is
>       most prominent
>     * Total downloads for your locale
>     * Downloads of the other top localizations in the country where your
>       locale is most prominently spoken
>
> This report will come each week with new data.
>
> *Sign up for it!*
>

> If you would like to receive this customized report for your locale,
> please opt-in by sending me an email with your name, email address, and
> your locale. *We will accept the first round of opt-ins until October
> 15, 2009 at 11:59 PM Mountain View time.  (UTC-7) *(You will be able to
> add names ongoing, but we'd like to get our initial batch to the metrics
> team by October 15.)
>

Ehsan Akhgari

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Nov 20, 2009, 1:59:35 PM11/20/09
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Sorry I missed this thread when it was first posted. Is this too late to
opt in? If not, then I'd like to opt in for Persian (fa).

Thanks!
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Ehsan Akhgari

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Nov 20, 2009, 4:07:35 PM11/20/09
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You probably meant to send it to the list...

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mozilla Srbija <mozilla...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: New metrics reports for localizers
To: Ehsan Akhgari <ehsan....@gmail.com>


I'd like to have that info too.

Време: 11/20/2009 07:59 PM, Ehsan Akhgari пише:

Sorry I missed this thread when it was first posted. Is this too late to
opt in? If not, then I'd like to opt in for Persian (fa).

Thanks!
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, arjun <arjun...@googlemail.com>

<arjun...@googlemail.com> wrote:


Hi Everyone:


locale

*Sign up for it!*

*Your Remarks*

Best,

Seth


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Nov 20, 2009, 4:16:15 PM11/20/09
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Yes, I obviously need some time to get used to TB3 :) Anyway, Seth,
should we bug you via email, or opting-in here would be enough?

Време: 11/20/2009 10:07 PM, Ehsan Akhgari пише:


> You probably meant to send it to the list...
>
> --
> Ehsan
> <http://ehsanakhgari.org/>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mozilla Srbija<mozilla...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: New metrics reports for localizers
> To: Ehsan Akhgari<ehsan....@gmail.com>
>
>
> I'd like to have that info too.
>
> Време: 11/20/2009 07:59 PM, Ehsan Akhgari пише:
>
> Sorry I missed this thread when it was first posted. Is this too late to
> opt in? If not, then I'd like to opt in for Persian (fa).
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Ehsan<http://ehsanakhgari.org/> <http://ehsanakhgari.org/>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, arjun<arjun...@googlemail.com>
> <arjun...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>

Seth Bindernagel

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Either reply to this mail that you want to be included or send me
private mail. For the time being, I have to manage the list. I hope we
can get some type of opt-in UI, but this is how it will work for now.

Mozilla Srbija wrote:
> Yes, I obviously need some time to get used to TB3 :) Anyway, Seth,
> should we bug you via email, or opting-in here would be enough?
>
> Време: 11/20/2009 10:07 PM, Ehsan Akhgari пише:
>> You probably meant to send it to the list...
>>
>> --
>> Ehsan
>> <http://ehsanakhgari.org/>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Mozilla Srbija<mozilla...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: New metrics reports for localizers
>> To: Ehsan Akhgari<ehsan....@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to have that info too.
>>
>> Време: 11/20/2009 07:59 PM, Ehsan Akhgari пише:
>>
>> Sorry I missed this thread when it was first posted. Is this too late to
>> opt in? If not, then I'd like to opt in for Persian (fa).
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --
>> Ehsan<http://ehsanakhgari.org/> <http://ehsanakhgari.org/>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, arjun<arjun...@googlemail.com>
>> <arjun...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>

Jesper Kristensen

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:44:35 AM11/22/09
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Is there any ETA of then these reports are ready so we can start
receiving them?

Seth Bindernagel skrev:

Seth Bindernagel

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:35:09 PM11/22/09
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Hey Arjun,

Excellent feedback. See my inline responses.

arjun wrote:
> Glad to see the first report for Telugu.
> Here is some feedback.
> PDF does not display the tables properly on Linux PDF document
> viewer.for the tables
>

Our lead developer for these reports runs linux and tested it based on
your feedback. It appears well to him. He asked me for very specific
details if you can provide them. I'll get Pedro (the developer) to
respond directly to you and everyone on this list who might be
experiencing the same problems.

> Blocklist for Te, Downloads for Te, where /w firefox goes to the
> second row and the numbers are not aligned. Web version certainly will
> help
> Other tables display allright
>
> Need help to interpret the following
> Blocklist for Top Localizations in India where locale is most
> prominent appears twice,
> The first heading may be prefixed with Countrywise and the second one
> changed countrywise downloads for Te.(?)
>

Can you send me a screen shot of this? On the reports that I see, it
reads "Blocklist for Top Localizations in [COUNTRY NAME] where the
locale is most prominent"

This, by the way, is intended to show you other locales being used in
the country where you probably hope your locale is being used. I know
this doesn't necessarily work for every single localization because
geographical lines are not always the proper guideline for a locale's
prominence. But, by and large, if ab-CD is being localized, it probably
matches with some country. I thought it would be nice to show "wx-YZ",
"jk-LM", "ef-GH", etc. locales.

> How do you read the country information, is it from the locale
> reported by the browser that is being used to download?
>

“Downloads for [locale]” refers to any download of a prebuilt
localization of Firefox that originates from a link to
downloads.mozilla.org. In your case, that would be anyone who downloads
the Telugu translation of Firefox by clicking on the following link:

http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.5.5&os=win&lang=te
<http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.5.5&os=win&lang=cs>

Which they could get from

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html


Do you have a Mozilla Community Site for Telugu? That might also help
drive downloads.


What doesn’t get included is anyone using Firefox with a different built
in localization and installing the Telugu language pack (if such a thing
exists).


> How do you determine the country in the country with te users table.
>

My blog post *might* help explain this. Let me know if you have further
questions.

http://blog.mozilla.com/seth/2009/11/19/new-reports-furnish-metrics-to-our-localization-community/

> Can you show cumulative downloads for localized language for each
> version.
>

I'll ask. But, feel free to transfer any of these questions to my blog
so those not on this mailing list can also see your great questions.
I'll work on this response.

> If I want to compare comparison of firefox in my mother tongue's
> sister languages (Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam etc), can you help.
>

I can ask. I think we can hone in on country. But, that was the
original intention of the "Blocklist for Top Localizations in [country]"
section of the report. I realize now that in some specific cases, it
may not work well since related languages may not provide raw data big
enough to rank higher than other locales. Your request is very
specific, but I can check into it.

Mozilla Srbija

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Hello Seth,

Can I have that report for Serbian locale please?

Време: 11/22/2009 07:35 PM, Seth Bindernagel пише:


> Hey Arjun,
>
> Excellent feedback. See my inline responses.
>
> arjun wrote:

>> Glad to see the first report for Telugu.
>> Here is some feedback.
>> PDF does not display the tables properly on Linux PDF document
>> viewer.for the tables
>

> Our lead developer for these reports runs linux and tested it based on
> your feedback. It appears well to him. He asked me for very specific
> details if you can provide them. I'll get Pedro (the developer) to
> respond directly to you and everyone on this list who might be
> experiencing the same problems.
>

>> Blocklist for Te, Downloads for Te, where /w firefox goes to the
>> second row and the numbers are not aligned. Web version certainly will
>> help
>> Other tables display allright
>>
>> Need help to interpret the following
>> Blocklist for Top Localizations in India where locale is most
>> prominent appears twice,
>> The first heading may be prefixed with Countrywise and the second one
>> changed countrywise downloads for Te.(?)
>

> Can you send me a screen shot of this? On the reports that I see, it
> reads "Blocklist for Top Localizations in [COUNTRY NAME] where the
> locale is most prominent"
>
> This, by the way, is intended to show you other locales being used in
> the country where you probably hope your locale is being used. I know
> this doesn't necessarily work for every single localization because
> geographical lines are not always the proper guideline for a locale's
> prominence. But, by and large, if ab-CD is being localized, it
> probably matches with some country. I thought it would be nice to
> show "wx-YZ", "jk-LM", "ef-GH", etc. locales.
>

>> How do you read the country information, is it from the locale
>> reported by the browser that is being used to download?
>

> “Downloads for [locale]” refers to any download of a prebuilt
> localization of Firefox that originates from a link to
> downloads.mozilla.org. In your case, that would be anyone who
> downloads the Telugu translation of Firefox by clicking on the
> following link:
>
> http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.5.5&os=win&lang=te
> <http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.5.5&os=win&lang=cs>
>
> Which they could get from
>
> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html
>
>
> Do you have a Mozilla Community Site for Telugu? That might also help
> drive downloads.
>
>
> What doesn’t get included is anyone using Firefox with a different
> built in localization and installing the Telugu language pack (if such
> a thing exists).
>
>

>> How do you determine the country in the country with te users table.
>

> My blog post *might* help explain this. Let me know if you have
> further questions.
>
> http://blog.mozilla.com/seth/2009/11/19/new-reports-furnish-metrics-to-our-localization-community/
>
>

>> Can you show cumulative downloads for localized language for each
>> version.
>

> I'll ask. But, feel free to transfer any of these questions to my
> blog so those not on this mailing list can also see your great
> questions. I'll work on this response.
>

>> If I want to compare comparison of firefox in my mother tongue's
>> sister languages (Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam etc), can you help.
>

> I can ask. I think we can hone in on country. But, that was the
> original intention of the "Blocklist for Top Localizations in
> [country]" section of the report. I realize now that in some specific
> cases, it may not work well since related languages may not provide
> raw data big enough to rank higher than other locales. Your request
> is very specific, but I can check into it.
>

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arjun

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My responses to improve these reports is embedded.
Thanks
Arjun

On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, Seth Bindernagel <se...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> Hey Arjun,
>
> Excellent feedback.  See my inline responses.
>
> arjun wrote:
> > Glad to see the first report for Telugu.
> > Here is some feedback.
> > PDF does not display the tables properly on Linux PDF document
> > viewer.for the tables

Layout of the table led to this confusion. Use of Firefox on first row
and then version # on subsequent rows is the cause for confusion.
Absence of a table borders could be another. There is no explanation
for %W/W (Now I understand the growth % on weekly comparison).Firefox
could be changed to all versions of FF or some thing similar. (This
should be done for the table "Downloads for <<lang code>>"

> Can you send me a screen shot of this?  On the reports that I see, it
> reads "Blocklist for Top Localizations in [COUNTRY NAME] where the
> locale is most prominent"
>

Similarly the table also needs to be updated with appropriate lables
for columns. For example what is meant by country is actually the
locale of Firefox users in the country where the language is
commonly used


> > How do you read the country information, is it from the locale
> > reported by the  browser that is being used to download?

I did not find an answer to this in your reply.

> Do you have a Mozilla Community Site for Telugu?  That might also help
> drive downloads.

Will work towards the same.
>

> > How do you determine the country in the country with te users table.

The % list is mostly zero for this table. It may be useful to provide
% list in scientific notation.


>
> My blog post *might* help explain this.  Let me know if you have further
> questions.
>

> http://blog.mozilla.com/seth/2009/11/19/new-reports-furnish-metrics-t...
Thanks for the blog. I opted to reply to this thread for now, though I
posted a comment on the blog.
Please see my blog post in telugu with different charts
http://teluginux.blogspot.com/2009/11/blog-post.html. Country wise
list is captured as pie chart. Downloads is bar chart.
How are users accounted for in a week? If I use my broadband modem and
use the firefox daily, will I get counted 7 times. Is there a unique
identity for each installation of firefox.
What are the potential for error in these data?

>
> > Can you show cumulative downloads for localized language for each
> > version.
>
> I'll ask.  But, feel free to transfer any of these questions to my blog
> so those not on this mailing list can also see your great questions.  
> I'll work on this response.
>
> > If I want to compare comparison of firefox in my mother tongue's
> > sister languages (Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam etc), can you  help.
>
> I can ask.  I think we can hone in on country.  But, that was the
> original intention of the "Blocklist for Top Localizations in [country]"
> section of the report.  I realize now that in some specific cases, it
> may not work well since related languages may not provide raw data big
> enough to rank higher than other locales.  Your request is very
> specific, but I can check into it.

Can I sign up for other language reports, even though I am not a
contributor. I would like to get access to all the indian languages.
>

sskroeder

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Hi Seth...

I'd like to recieve the report for the Danish locale ;-D

best regards
/Søren, sskroeder

Romi Hardiyanto

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We would like to get those report for locale id.

Thanks,
Romi

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