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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)

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May 13, 2008, 8:42:09 AM5/13/08
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Anybody disturbed with repeated questions about compacting the folders?
I've got a bunch of accounts and every while (randomly it seems) there
pops up this annoying message, if I want to compact the folder.
Selecting "Do this from every time from now on" doesn't help when
clicking on "No".

Using upcoming TB 3 pre2 (latest).

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ovidiu

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May 13, 2008, 12:12:29 PM5/13/08
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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:
> Anybody disturbed with repeated questions about compacting the
> folders? I've got a bunch of accounts and every while (randomly it
> seems) there pops up this annoying message, if I want to compact the
> folder. Selecting "Do this from every time from now on" doesn't help
> when clicking on "No".
>
> Using upcoming TB 3 pre2 (latest).
>
maybe add that or other comments on
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286888

I do find that kinda annoing, but I don't see immediately the solution.
Compacting totally eliminates those deleted stuff, so it may be another,
final step, in recover accidental actions. Thus some may prefer to be
asked ..

Dunno.. Didn't thought much about ..

Ron K.

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May 13, 2008, 5:35:11 PM5/13/08
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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) keyboarded, On 5/13/2008 8:42 AM :

> Anybody disturbed with repeated questions about compacting the
> folders? I've got a bunch of accounts and every while (randomly it
> seems) there pops up this annoying message, if I want to compact the
> folder. Selecting "Do this from every time from now on" doesn't help
> when clicking on "No".
>
> Using upcoming TB 3 pre2 (latest).
>

See this Bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431819

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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)

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May 13, 2008, 5:46:44 PM5/13/08
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Ron K.:

> Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) keyboarded, On 5/13/2008 8:42 AM :
>
>> Anybody disturbed with repeated questions about compacting the
>> folders? I've got a bunch of accounts and every while (randomly it
>> seems) there pops up this annoying message, if I want to compact the
>> folder. Selecting "Do this from every time from now on" doesn't help
>> when clicking on "No".
>>
>> Using upcoming TB 3 pre2 (latest).
>>
>>
>
> See this Bug:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431819
>
>
Nonono...this is something else entirely (besides that I'm already on
the CC list of that bug). I'm speaking here about a popup concerning
compacting folders. Apparently some of them are quite big and TB keeps
bugging me about it. No, I don't want to compact the folder, no,
no...the bloody popup window keeps bugging me...grrrr ;-)

Ron K.

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May 13, 2008, 5:55:12 PM5/13/08
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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) keyboarded, On 5/13/2008 5:46 PM :

Sorry. Did eventualy see You in the discussion on that bug. For this
thread, have You tried the Account Setting to bump the bits level
trigger to a higher threshold before the PopUp activates? Additional
head room between the compact and messy states should reduce frequency.

Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)

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May 13, 2008, 5:58:51 PM5/13/08
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Ron K.:

>> Nonono...this is something else entirely (besides that I'm already on
>> the CC list of that bug). I'm speaking here about a popup concerning
>> compacting folders. Apparently some of them are quite big and TB keeps
>> bugging me about it. No, I don't want to compact the folder, no,
>> no...the bloody popup window keeps bugging me...grrrr ;-)
>>
>
> Sorry. Did eventualy see You in the discussion on that bug. For this
> thread, have You tried the Account Setting to bump the bits level
> trigger to a higher threshold before the PopUp activates? Additional
> head room between the compact and messy states should reduce frequency.
>
>

Which level? Where exactly? I don't use any compacting (Got enough disk
space on fast disks, don't see an advantage except for backups, but
those are gzipped anyway).

JoeS

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May 13, 2008, 6:24:14 PM5/13/08
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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:
> Anybody disturbed with repeated questions about compacting the folders?
> I've got a bunch of accounts and every while (randomly it seems) there
> pops up this annoying message, if I want to compact the folder.
> Selecting "Do this from every time from now on" doesn't help when
> clicking on "No".
>
> Using upcoming TB 3 pre2 (latest).
>
I have never had an "automatic compact" request.
Must be controlled by Options>>Advanced>>Network & Disk space>>
Compact folders when it will save XX (which I have unticked)
Mostly, I'd rather decide when compaction happens.

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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)

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May 13, 2008, 6:31:08 PM5/13/08
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JoeS:

> Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:
>
>> Anybody disturbed with repeated questions about compacting the folders?
>> I've got a bunch of accounts and every while (randomly it seems) there
>> pops up this annoying message, if I want to compact the folder.
>> Selecting "Do this from every time from now on" doesn't help when
>> clicking on "No".
>>
>> Using upcoming TB 3 pre2 (latest).
>>
>>
> I have never had an "automatic compact" request.
> Must be controlled by Options>>Advanced>>Network& Disk space>>

> Compact folders when it will save XX (which I have unticked)
> Mostly, I'd rather decide when compaction happens.
>

OK, I see that I've had that enabled. But than I'm curious to know why
it asks me nevertheless? Apparently at some point the folders reached
the level I set and starts to popup that question. I disabled it for now
to see its effect. Thanks for the pointer.

In any case I believe this to be a bug, because it doesn't "remember"
when setting the flag to remember the decision and clicking "No". Will
keep an eye on it and play a little bit with this setting.


Ron K.

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May 13, 2008, 7:11:44 PM5/13/08
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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) keyboarded, On 5/13/2008 5:58 PM :

JoeS pointed You to the setting. I get the prompt, but prefer it that
way. I saves me from having stalls during startup that cause a lot of
User Support questions. Also, We are on two different mail protocols, I
only use POP3 as IMAP is not supported by my regional independent ISP.

Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)

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May 13, 2008, 7:26:35 PM5/13/08
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Ron K.:

>> Which level? Where exactly? I don't use any compacting (Got enough
>> disk space on fast disks, don't see an advantage except for backups,
>> but those are gzipped anyway).
>>
>
> JoeS pointed You to the setting. I get the prompt, but prefer it that
> way. I saves me from having stalls during startup that cause a lot of
> User Support questions. Also, We are on two different mail protocols, I
> only use POP3 as IMAP is not supported by my regional independent ISP.
>
>

So if it sucks for IMAP it makes it less intrusive and annoying and OK?
No sure about POP3, but considering that IMAP has some advantages for
some other stuff than mail, specially in the corporate world, I'm not
sure how you can prefer that? Besides, the flag "about remembering the
decision" doesn't have an effect, so it's a bug I guess...it should stop
the bugging about it...

However it leads me to ask, what stalls are happening during startup in
this respect? I haven't seen any so far...

Ron K.

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May 13, 2008, 10:26:13 PM5/13/08
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Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) keyboarded, On 5/13/2008 7:26 PM :
> Ron K.:

>> JoeS pointed You to the setting. I get the prompt, but prefer it that
>> way. I saves me from having stalls during startup that cause a lot of
>> User Support questions. Also, We are on two different mail protocols, I
>> only use POP3 as IMAP is not supported by my regional independent ISP.
>>
>>
>
> So if it sucks for IMAP it makes it less intrusive and annoying and
> OK? No sure about POP3, but considering that IMAP has some advantages
> for some other stuff than mail, specially in the corporate world, I'm
> not sure how you can prefer that? Besides, the flag "about remembering
> the decision" doesn't have an effect, so it's a bug I guess...it
> should stop the bugging about it...
>
> However it leads me to ask, what stalls are happening during startup
> in this respect? I haven't seen any so far...
>
>
> Regards
> Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org>
>

A common scenario is users poll the news accounts on startup. We
commonly find that the Inbox is being used as a massive storage
container without refiling messages. This results in a heavy CPU load
to reindex, this independent of the compaction issues. Their overall
performance is frequently impacted by not using any compaction plan to
deal with deletions and message moves. The result is Inbox bloated with
dead mail flagged for removal during a compaction.

To be clearer about my settings. I have set a disk space threshold, but
have the Ask Me option flagged. Thus I can control the timing of when I
permit the processing to happen. This prevents a conflict between
message receipt and Inbox housekeeping during startup. I do have a trash
cleanup done during the shutdown. This personal policy is a holdover
from my Windows 3.11 and NS 4.08 years. My Win ME system at the start of
the Tb project had a 1.2 GB drive that I later replaced with a 40 GB
Maxtor. My current box is a 6 month old Compaq with 120 GB, but old
habits fade slowly in this household.

Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)

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May 13, 2008, 10:45:13 PM5/13/08
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Ron K.:

> To be clearer about my settings. I have set a disk space threshold, but
> have the Ask Me option flagged. Thus I can control the timing of when I
> permit the processing to happen. This prevents a conflict between
> message receipt and Inbox housekeeping during startup. I do have a trash
> cleanup done during the shutdown. This personal policy is a holdover
> from my Windows 3.11 and NS 4.08 years. My Win ME system at the start of
> the Tb project had a 1.2 GB drive that I later replaced with a 40 GB
> Maxtor. My current box is a 6 month old Compaq with 120 GB, but old
> habits fade slowly in this household.
>

Hehe....a long way :-)

Anyway, filed bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433619
and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433620 for now

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