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Iacopo Benesperi
May 2, 2013, 4:03:14 AM5/2/13
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Hi,
in these days, several user of our forum pointed out that in almost all
occurrencies of the Italian translation of Seamonkey the word Sidebar is
left in English and not translated. The previous localiser said that
this has been done on purpose because Sidebar is a product name (just
like Persona (the ex Persona)) and therefore it must be left as is and
not translated.
So I ask: is Sidebar meant to be a product name, or should it be translated?
thanks,
Iacopo
in these days, several user of our forum pointed out that in almost all
occurrencies of the Italian translation of Seamonkey the word Sidebar is
left in English and not translated. The previous localiser said that
this has been done on purpose because Sidebar is a product name (just
like Persona (the ex Persona)) and therefore it must be left as is and
not translated.
So I ask: is Sidebar meant to be a product name, or should it be translated?
thanks,
Iacopo
Ricardo Palomares Martínez
May 3, 2013, 8:08:52 AM5/3/13
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El 02/05/13 10:03, Iacopo Benesperi escribió:
For de it seems it is not (but maybe it is the same word that in
English?). Of course, one thing is what we localizers do, and a
different one what the SeaMonkey Council thinks we should do. :-)
--
Ricardo Palomares (RickieES)
http://www.mozilla-hispano.org/
http://www.proyectonave.es/
https://diasp.eu/u/rickiees
> So I ask: is Sidebar meant to be a product name, or should it be translated?
Looking to Transvision, for es-ES, es-AR, fr and nl, it is translated.
For de it seems it is not (but maybe it is the same word that in
English?). Of course, one thing is what we localizers do, and a
different one what the SeaMonkey Council thinks we should do. :-)
--
Ricardo Palomares (RickieES)
http://www.mozilla-hispano.org/
http://www.proyectonave.es/
https://diasp.eu/u/rickiees
Iacopo Benesperi
May 3, 2013, 8:28:04 AM5/3/13
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Ricardo Palomares Martï¿œnez ha scritto:
Iacopo
> Of course, one thing is what we localizers do, and a
> different one what the SeaMonkey Council thinks we should do. :-)
Exactly, that's why I asked here. Let's see if someone reply.
> different one what the SeaMonkey Council thinks we should do. :-)
Iacopo
Ian Neal
May 6, 2013, 9:49:03 AM5/6/13
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Iacopo Benesperi wrote:
> So I ask: is Sidebar meant to be a product name, or should it be translated?
Looking at:
> So I ask: is Sidebar meant to be a product name, or should it be translated?
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/locales/en-US/chrome/branding/brand.dtd#8
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/locales/en-US/chrome/branding/brand.properties#8
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/locales/en-US/chrome/common/sidebar/customize.dtd#7
Sidebar is a brand name at the moment. I'm not sure it needs to be, but
that is the present situation. Best person to comment in this is the
owner of the Sidebar component, Mnyromyr.
Regards,
Ian
Karsten Düsterloh
May 6, 2013, 5:28:43 PM5/6/13
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Ian Neal aber hob zu reden an und schrieb:
ownership. And to be honest, since I don't actually use a localized
version, I didn't waste a thought on this issue yet. ^_^
Putting on my native language hat, though, I'd expect the term sidebar
to be translated/localized. (As for German, "Sidebar" looks like a
description of a Turkish fast food restaurant anyway. *g*)
Ricardo Palomares Martínez aber hob zu reden an und schrieb:
"Seitenleiste", which is why I suspect KaiRo kept Sidebar.
Karsten
> Iacopo Benesperi wrote:
>
>> So I ask: is Sidebar meant to be a product name, or should it be translated?
…
>
>> So I ask: is Sidebar meant to be a product name, or should it be translated?
> Sidebar is a brand name at the moment. I'm not sure it needs to be, but
> that is the present situation. Best person to comment in this is the
> owner of the Sidebar component, Mnyromyr.
This decision (if there ever was something formal like this) predates my
> that is the present situation. Best person to comment in this is the
> owner of the Sidebar component, Mnyromyr.
ownership. And to be honest, since I don't actually use a localized
version, I didn't waste a thought on this issue yet. ^_^
Putting on my native language hat, though, I'd expect the term sidebar
to be translated/localized. (As for German, "Sidebar" looks like a
description of a Turkish fast food restaurant anyway. *g*)
Ricardo Palomares Martínez aber hob zu reden an und schrieb:
> Looking to Transvision, for es-ES, es-AR, fr and nl, it is translated.
> For de it seems it is not (but maybe it is the same word that in
> English?).
No, the direct translation would be something rather unwieldy like
> For de it seems it is not (but maybe it is the same word that in
> English?).
"Seitenleiste", which is why I suspect KaiRo kept Sidebar.
Karsten
Iacopo Benesperi
May 7, 2013, 3:09:35 AM5/7/13
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Karsten Düsterloh ha scritto:
would be better to remove the word from branding?
Iacopo
> Putting on my native language hat, though, I'd expect the term sidebar
> to be translated/localized.
Thank you Karsten, I'll localise it, then. Maybe, for the future, it
> to be translated/localized.
would be better to remove the word from branding?
Iacopo
Robert Kaiser
May 7, 2013, 12:44:20 PM5/7/13
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Iacopo Benesperi schrieb:
It was a product name for Netscape. Nowadays, I wouldn't regard it to be
one.
Robert Kaiser
one.
Robert Kaiser
Robert Kaiser
May 7, 2013, 12:47:14 PM5/7/13
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Karsten Düsterloh schrieb:
That said, I think we should really pull it out of branding - I don't
think much other than "SeaMonkey" belongs there nowadays.
> No, the direct translation would be something rather unwieldy like
> "Seitenleiste", which is why I suspect KaiRo kept Sidebar.
Yes, there's just no good translation I found (and in Netscape times,
translation of it was forbidden anyhow - even though they had strange
stuff like "Apply Theme" translated to "Apple-Thema" in Netscape 6).
Robert Kaiser
> This decision (if there ever was something formal like this) predates my
> ownership.
Sure, it was a Netscape decision. :)
> ownership.
That said, I think we should really pull it out of branding - I don't
think much other than "SeaMonkey" belongs there nowadays.
> No, the direct translation would be something rather unwieldy like
> "Seitenleiste", which is why I suspect KaiRo kept Sidebar.
translation of it was forbidden anyhow - even though they had strange
stuff like "Apply Theme" translated to "Apple-Thema" in Netscape 6).
Robert Kaiser
Karsten Düsterloh
May 7, 2013, 4:44:37 PM5/7/13
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Iacopo Benesperi aber hob zu reden an und schrieb:
> Karsten D�sterloh ha scritto:
Yes. :)
Karsten
> Karsten D�sterloh ha scritto:
Karsten
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