On 14.07.2011 08:55, Sarah Cain wrote:
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> On 07/14/2011 09:35 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 14.07.2011 06:16, RamonS wrote:
>> --- Original Message ---
>>> On Jul 13, 8:22 pm, Justin Dolske<dol...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/13/11 8:29 AM, Asa Dotzler wrote:
>>>>> RamonS, your last few comments in this thread are probably more
>>>>> appropriate for dev.usability rather than dev.apps.firefox. They're
>>>>> off-topic here, but they're more on topic there.
>>>> Actually, I think this thread is pretty much done.
>>>> With nearly half a billion users, we know we can't please everyone.
>>>> That's why Firefox has themes and addons available, if you don't like
>>>> the look of things you can configure it to something more to your
>>>> To be blunt, we're simply not going to roll-back the Firefox UI to that
>>>> of Firefox 3.6 (or before). Nor are we able to do anything
>>>> actionable on
>>>> generic "Firefox looks like crap" gripes.
>>>> We _do_ listen to constrictive feedback on future UI directions, which
>>>> is why we post about upcoming work and try things out on the UX branch.
>>>> Comments for that (or current specific UI issues) based on sounds UX
>>>> principles are quite welcome.
>>> Thanks for the clear words. I take that as "we don't care what users
>>> think and do our thing"...which appears to be cloning Chrome. In the
>>> end users will decide....of to searching for a better browser. Thanks
>>> for your time.
>> Moving "back" to a previous version is not conducive to maintaining a
>> safe and secure model. If all you want or need to do is to revert back
>> to a UI then there are many ways to do this.
>> One way:
>> To address your assertion "we don't care ...." is patently false. The
>> open-source community is made up of unpaid *volunteers* that giveth of
>> their time and effort to provide the user-community with an application
>> that is friendly and secure as well as functional. There are addons and
>> plugins available that enable the user to adjust the useability to their
>> particular liking and needs, etc.
>> There are several feedback and contribution channels available from
>> Mozilla where you, et al, can voice your collective opinions, requests
>> and suggestions, enter support questions, join the community in various
>> venues such as QA, Coding, Design and so on. If you are interested in
>> joining this community, let me know and I'll point you in the direction
>> of choice.
>> But please ... don't accuse us of "not caring", we do and we're here to
> Thank you for caring. I was feeling somewhat like RamonS. I feel like
> the new UI is a step in the wrong direction, and that cloning another
> browser because it has been successful over IE is not the way forward. I
> also feel that the ability for people to customize the look of their
> browsers has now been limited because it takes so much extra knowledge
> to get the new Firefox to be what I consider 'usable'. I am not a
> random technically-illiterate user. I'm a linux administrator, but I am
> getting calls all of the time from those in my organization who don't
> know how to use their browser -- the one that I recommended to them
> (before the "upgrade"). I'd appreciate any time you'd take to listen to
> our collective opinions, and if you could tell me anywhere else that you
> think would be better to air our grievances, that would be great.
> Thank you.
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