Now that Firefox 2 is nearly out the door, Dietrich Ayala, Dan Mills and I have switched our focus to Places.
Our initial goals for Places in Firefox 3 are to:
* ensure that we have the right APIs, data model, and architecture to allow for synchronization, remote bookmarks and future work in both core Firefox and add-ons (such as Google's Browser Sync, Foxmarks as well as add-ons that integrate with social bookmarking services, such as del.icio.us)
* implement the FF2 UI on top the Places backend, starting with the History UI [1]
* write some functional and performance tests that can be integrated into "make check" and into Tinderbox
We've been hanging out in #places in IRC and we plan to use mozilla.dev.apps.firefox and http://wiki.mozilla.org/Places to discuss and document what we're doing.
Additionally, we plan on meeting every Thursday at 4pm (PST) to discuss the status of our work. The logs of our meeting can be found at http://wiki.mozilla.org/Places/StatusMeetings.
We'll also be setting up a face-to-face meeting (in Mtn View, with a dial in number) to discuss Places. When we have a schedule for that, I'll post it to this newgroup.
-Seth
[1] brettw recommended that we start with history, leaving the existing (Firefox 2) bookmarks service and UI alone until we made some decisions regarding our APIs and data model.
> * implement the FF2 UI on top the Places backend, starting with the > History UI [1]
I hope this means that you will leave the bookmarks (Places) *sidebar* in place. The weeks/months while the trunk builds had Places without a bookmarks sidebar were painful.
> [1] brettw recommended that we start with history, leaving the existing > (Firefox 2) bookmarks service and UI alone until we made some decisions > regarding our APIs and data model.
Yes, please leave the bookmarks sidebar alone. If anything, mimic the UI in IE7. I have yet to see or read a suggestion here that is not hugely inferior to IE7's UI in this area.
Peter Lairo wrote: > Seth Spitzer wrote on 2006-10-06 7:38: > > * implement the FF2 UI on top the Places backend, starting with the > > History UI [1]
> I hope this means that you will leave the bookmarks (Places) *sidebar* > in place. The weeks/months while the trunk builds had Places without a > bookmarks sidebar were painful.
> Peter Lairo wrote: >> Seth Spitzer wrote on 2006-10-06 7:38: >>> * implement the FF2 UI on top the Places backend, starting with the >>> History UI [1] >> I hope this means that you will leave the bookmarks (Places) *sidebar* >> in place. The weeks/months while the trunk builds had Places without a >> bookmarks sidebar were painful.
Thanks, I'll look into that if Places ever breaks the sidebar again. However, I'm tired of having to resort to extensions. I have too many already, and many don't work in the trunk builds (which is what I'm using).
The bookmarks sidebar is not only useful to me, but also to many other "normal" users who would never install an extension. -- Regards,
Still needs some tests and a little work on refresh intervals and shutdown behavior. I think it'll be a lot easier to make API changes to it. It also uses the toolkit feed code, so it's got better conformance and fewer dependencies.
I can probably take care of feed backend stuff as needed.
During those months of using Places builds I had forgotten how comfortable it was to use the good old mork based history/bookmarks. I had grown accustomed to slow and hanging shutdowns, an extension as a sidebar, not be able to search, a hang till death when you browsed with your Places window open, not be able to drag bookmarks to the right spot, etc. etc., so life is really easy and comfortable now in trunk :).
Not only there's a history sidebar WITH search (without hang), I even have a history bottom bar! Would be nice to have this bottom bar (in addition to the sidebar) implemented in the coming Places.
> I had grown accustomed to slow and hanging shutdowns, an extension as a > sidebar, not be able to search, a hang till death when you browsed with > your Places window open, not be able to drag bookmarks to the right > spot, etc. etc., so life is really easy and comfortable now in trunk
Are there bugs logged on these issues? If so, could you add me to the cc list? (If not, can you help out by logging them?)
> Not only there's a history sidebar WITH search (without hang), I even > have a history bottom bar! Would be nice to have this bottom bar (in > addition to the sidebar) implemented in the coming Places.
>> * implement the FF2 UI on top the Places backend, starting with the >> History UI [1]
> I hope this means that you will leave the bookmarks (Places) *sidebar* > in place. The weeks/months while the trunk builds had Places without a > bookmarks sidebar were painful.
Yes, one of our initial goals it keep the existing Firefox 2 UI, including the sidebars (history and bookmarks).
> Yes, please leave the bookmarks sidebar alone. If anything, mimic the UI > in IE7. I have yet to see or read a suggestion here that is not hugely > inferior to IE7's UI in this area.
As far as the IE7 sidebar goes, what is it that you like?
Feel free to log these as RFEs in bugzilla, unless your comments are already covered by #209642. (I've just added a few folks involved with Places for Firefox 3 to the cc list on that bug.)
> > a hang till death when you browsed with > > your Places window open
I can't find this one anymore, or maybe it was never filed, but I remember when I did a search (which took a lot of time) and opened one of the results I had to close the Places window very quickly because otherwise it would hang and I would have to restart.
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