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Dão  
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 More options Oct 30 2007, 9:08 am
Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.firefox
From: Dão <d...@design-noir.de>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:08:26 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:08 am
Subject: Re: "ping" attribute UI
Michael Vincent van Rantwijk, MultiZilla wrote:

> Dão wrote:
>> Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>> Martijn wrote:
>>>> BBtw, can a script know if ping is enabled/disabled?

>>> At the moment, no.

>> If the browser supports ping, it should say so, but IMO it shouldn't
>> expose the enabled/disabled state, as a javascript fallback wouldn't
>> be in the user's interest in that case.

> Actually, scripts seem to be able to initiate a POST request [1] and
> since you check for your own POST request ;)

Sure, you can always check if a ping got through on the server side. But
I think if there's an API as simple as
document.implementation.hasFeature("aPing", "1.0"), authors will more
likely use that, especially as most users aren't going to disable that
feature.

Dao


 
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Dão  
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 More options Oct 30 2007, 9:13 am
Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.firefox
From: Dão <d...@design-noir.de>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:13:39 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:13 am
Subject: Re: "ping" attribute UI

Martijn wrote:
> 2007/10/30, Dão <d...@design-noir.de>:
>> Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>> Martijn wrote:
>>>> BBtw, can a script know if ping is enabled/disabled?
>>> At the moment, no.
>> If the browser supports ping, it should say so, but IMO it shouldn't
>> expose the enabled/disabled state, as a javascript fallback wouldn't be
>> in the user's interest in that case.

> Then as a website devver, I would go for the javascript solution,
> since that's always working.

If you don't think users should be in control of such things, <a ping>
isn't for you in the first place.

Dao


 
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Martijn  
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 More options Oct 30 2007, 9:21 am
Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.firefox
From: Martijn <martijn.mart...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:21:02 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:21 am
Subject: Re: "ping" attribute UI
2007/10/30, Dão <d...@design-noir.de>:

> Martijn wrote:
> > 2007/10/30, Dão <d...@design-noir.de>:
> >> Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> >>> Martijn wrote:
> >>>> BBtw, can a script know if ping is enabled/disabled?
> >>> At the moment, no.
> >> If the browser supports ping, it should say so, but IMO it shouldn't
> >> expose the enabled/disabled state, as a javascript fallback wouldn't be
> >> in the user's interest in that case.

> > Then as a website devver, I would go for the javascript solution,
> > since that's always working.

> If you don't think users should be in control of such things, <a ping>
> isn't for you in the first place.

Exactly.

Regards,
Martijn

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Michael Vincent van Rantwijk, MultiZilla  
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 More options Oct 30 2007, 9:43 am
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From: "Michael Vincent van Rantwijk, MultiZilla" <mv_van_rantw...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:43:52 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2007 9:43 am
Subject: Re: "ping" attribute UI

Are you aware that this is an opt-out feature in Mozilla Firefox?

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Robert Kaiser  
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 More options Oct 30 2007, 10:27 am
Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.firefox
From: Robert Kaiser <ka...@kairo.at>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:27:21 +0100
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2007 10:27 am
Subject: Re: "ping" attribute UI

Gijs Kruitbosch wrote:
> Exactly how many people use a "different" OS? How many of them do you
> estimate know where about:config is? Because I think the answer to the
> first question is "very few" and to the second is "very many". Which was
> kind of my point to begin with...

Many people knowing about about:config sound like a UI flaw to me, as
they shouldn't even want to know about it if UI is good.

Robert Kaiser


 
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