Location bar not clearing
JasonSurgent
are still located in my location url bar when the down arrow is
clicked. how do I reset this, so that when I clear private data it
eliminates all previous sites visited, like FF2 did.
Jason
Shawn Wilsher
using clear private data.
Cheers,
Shawn
JasonSurgent
Is there a way for this to not happen. ie a setting that I should
unclick, or is this a suggestion for the programmers?
slave
> using clear private data.
That's a very questionable feature, at least if there is no way to
turn it off or tweak its beahviour at all. One might want to have
sites bookmarked for (ahem) personal use but not have them pushed into
the faces of friends, family and / or co-workers faces whenever you
lend someone your browser for a minute.
Any idea if there is an about:config option to control this borderline
misfeature?
Cheers
Alex Faaborg
release, perhaps as part of a larger effort to improve privacy.
Hopefully we will be able to both add a private browsing mode, and
also allow users to mark specific bookmarks as private so they don't
show up in the location bar.
In the meantime, if you want to both bookmark sites and also not have
them appear in the location bar with Firefox 3.0, the simplest way to
achieve this is by using multiple profiles, with a main profile for
everyday use and friend use, and a second profile that you launch for
personal use.
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Managing+profiles
Another option is to create a new user account with your OS, and
Firefox will subsequently give that user a fresh profile.
Cheers,
-Alex
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slave
> This is something I personally think we should address in a future
> release, perhaps as part of a larger effort to improve privacy.
> Hopefully we will be able to both add a private browsing mode, and
> also allow users to mark specific bookmarks as private so they don't
> show up in the location bar.
Hey Alex, thanks for the response.
I realize that beggars can't be choosers and all that and since I am
not personally submitting a patch to fix this, I cannot complain too
much. But I expect the outcry is going to get pretty loud if this
(mis)feature sticks around very long since this is the sort of thing
that gets birthday surprises ruined, kids grounded, wives / husbands
fighting, employees disciplined, etc. The new easy to read location
bar autocomplete makes that a surety.
=)
Cheers
craigs48
I think this is a terrible feature and will probably stay with Version
2 until it's corrected. Why should we jump throught hoops craeting new
profiles to ensure our privacy. I'm a long time Firefox user, and this
is the first time I've had a complaint. But it's a big one. Hope this
useless feature is discarded before the final version is released, or
I won't be downloading.
Thanks for listening.
Mike Shaver
> But I expect the outcry is going to get pretty loud if this
> (mis)feature sticks around very long since this is the sort of thing
> that gets birthday surprises ruined, kids grounded, wives / husbands
> fighting, employees disciplined, etc. The new easy to read location
> bar autocomplete makes that a surety.
Do people really tend to *bookmark* such private sites? I'm sure some
do, but it doesn't seem like it would be very common, and -- unlike
with history, which the browser collects automatically -- the user can
simply choose to not bookmark sites that they don't want to be kept.
"Hiding" verboten sites in the bookmarks menu doesn't seem like a very
good way to avoid being disciplined at work.
Mike
Michael Connor
On 10-Jun-08, at 7:49 AM, Mike Shaver wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:42 PM, slave <deathin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> But I expect the outcry is going to get pretty loud if this
>> (mis)feature sticks around very long since this is the sort of thing
>> that gets birthday surprises ruined, kids grounded, wives / husbands
>> fighting, employees disciplined, etc. The new easy to read location
>> bar autocomplete makes that a surety.
>
> Do people really tend to *bookmark* such private sites? I'm sure some
> do, but it doesn't seem like it would be very common, and -- unlike
> with history, which the browser collects automatically -- the user can
> simply choose to not bookmark sites that they don't want to be kept.
> "Hiding" verboten sites in the bookmarks menu doesn't seem like a very
> good way to avoid being disciplined at work.
Indeed... I don't know why someone would clear history but have
bookmarks to questionable sites... that makes very strange assumptions
about privacy. I understand that it makes it marginally more
discoverable, but privacy through very marginal obscurity seems like a
very bad approach. Bookmarking is an explicit "remember this site"
behaviour, so I'm not sure why there's some assumption that you can
clear history and preserve privacy...
-- Mike
Mike Shaver
> Indeed... I don't know why someone would clear history but have
> bookmarks to questionable sites... that makes very strange assumptions
> about privacy.
Well, I think it's reasonable to see "in my bookmarks menu" as
different from "in 14-pt text coloured and spaced for visibility", and
agree that we should probably find a way to surface "what is searched
by the awesomebar?" in a future version. We'll want that for things
like "friends' bookmarks from Weave" and "full-text indexing", even
those specific cases are provided by extensions, I suspect. I just
think it's not the OMG SKYFALL crisis that people are making it out to
be pre-emptively.
Privacy comfort is in large part an emotional reaction, and we need to
make sure that we account for that, and not just our own hard-edged
rationality. We also can't let mere fear of the unknown, or
overwrought lobbying for pet behaviours, keep us from picking our
investments carefully, of course.
Mike
Mike Shaver
> behaviour, so I'm not sure why there's some assumption that you can
> clear history and preserve privacy...
This part is easy! :)
Bookmarks are private data (which is why we encrypt them with Weave,
and don't let page content access it), and the dialog in question
offers to clear private data. I can definitely understand people
expecting that, if they click all the checkboxes and continue, there
will be no trace of their personal information remaining.
If bookmark-clearing is marginal, cache clearing is beyond marginal,
and the dialog already includes items (like saved passwords) that
require explicit user action to "remember". I think adding
"bookmarks" to the dialog, unchecked by default, would be an easy win,
possibly even for a 3.0.x release since we have the needed string
localized everywhere already.
Mike
Mike Beltzner
that your private bookmarks aren't displayed larger than life:
- install the "Old Bar" add on which changes the formatting to
the old style, or,
- set browser.urlbar.maxRichResults to 0
As Alex mentioned, in our next release, we'll be taking all the
feedback into account and try to come up with simple ways to specify
whether a folder should be included in the awesomebar search or not.
As Shaver points out, in a world of synchronized and shared bookmarks,
this will be doubly important.
cheers,
mike
slave
> Indeed... I don't know why someone would clear history but have
> bookmarks to questionable sites... that makes very strange assumptions
> about privacy.
There is a big difference between having a bookmark somewhere for your
own use and proudly displaying a pr0n site at the top of the browser
everytime the user starts typing "www" in the location bar. It's the
difference between having a magazine under the bed versus nailing it
to the front of your house with huge halogen lights that shine on it
any time someone walks up your front steps.
=)
Cheers
patrickjdempsey
> BTW, as a "for now" thing, there are some tweaks you can do to ensure
> that your private bookmarks aren't displayed larger than life:
>
> - install the "Old Bar" add on which changes the formatting to
I would really like to see Old Locations Bar as a built-in option for
Ff 3. It's faster, easier to use, saves more space, and is more
secure than the new Locations bar. I don't see why I should have to
install an add-on to return my browser to it's classic configuration,
when the new configuration looks and acts more like an add-on than a
core feature... even abandoning formatting common to the rest of the
browser.
Mike Beltzner
No.
cheers,
mike
Shawn Wilsher
> I would really like to see Old Locations Bar as a built-in option for
> Ff 3. It's faster, easier to use, saves more space, and is more
> secure than the new Locations bar. I don't see why I should have to
> install an add-on to return my browser to it's classic configuration,
> when the new configuration looks and acts more like an add-on than a
> core feature... even abandoning formatting common to the rest of the
> browser.
Also, how long have you been using the new version of Firefox? Note
that the location bar has adaptive learning, so it gets better at
guessing what you want when you start typing the more you use it.
Cheers,
Shawn
patrickjdempsey
dozen sites I use everyday and typically those appear in my old
location bar as a concise list... because for the most part that is
the only information I put into the location bar. I'm not a big fan
of Toolbars so I don't use the Bookmarks Toolbar... so I guess I use
the Location bar as a kind of quick Bookmarks... and occasionally I
have to copy an address to it when a link doesn't work but that's
pretty rare and it's typically hardly the kind of information that is
so important it needs to be in two different font sizes and bright
green letters. Maybe I'm just using the internets wrong?
Shawn Wilsher
pushes those results up higher in the location bar the more you use it.
Cheers,
Shawn
barry...@gmail.com
or previously-viewed sites from displaying in the navigation bar. I'm
surprised that this functionality is in FF 3.0.
jb0...@gmail.com
I agree with 'slave' that this is a big deal. The internet clearing
software is a big industry for good reason. Privacy IS important. I
realize that removing the drop down box of the location bar is not a
substitute for history cleaning software. However it does remove it
from the casual click on the drop down arrow that is a common feature
in IE. And since a guest user is probably an IE user, they could click
that arrow. Which was one of many reasons why I abandoned IE and
embraced FF.
With regard to the security of private bookmarks, it is a simple
matter to bury certain bookmarks into folders and subfolders to keep
them from being seen from a casual click on the Bookmarks.
I have gone back to FF 2.