I was just wondering how long it takes Mozilla to add your Persona to
the gallery. I created a Sports one a couple of days ago and don't see
it, even under the "My" link. I imagine they have to quality control
the submissions...but does anybody know the deal?
> I was just wondering how long it takes Mozilla to add your Persona to
> the gallery. I created a Sports one a couple of days ago and don't see
> it, even under the "My" link. I imagine they have to quality control
> the submissions...but does anybody know the deal?
> Members of the personas development team and community are working
> through an approval queue, which you can monitor here:http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/dashboard.
> On Nov 3, 1:02 pm, Dan Dumont <ddumon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was just wondering how long it takes Mozilla to add your Persona to
> > the gallery. I created a Sports one a couple of days ago and don't see
> > it, even under the "My" link. I imagine they have to quality control
> > the submissions...but does anybody know the deal?
Personas that contain QUESTIONABLE content (i.e. images or photos that
are copyright protected, including logos) often remain in cue longer
then if it they were straight forward.
On Nov 3, 1:02 pm, Dan Dumont <ddumon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just wondering how long it takes Mozilla to add your Persona to
> the gallery. I created a Sports one a couple of days ago and don't see
> it, even under the "My" link. I imagine they have to quality control
> the submissions...but does anybody know the deal?
Since I have two personas in queue that uses photos of "questionable"
material. These are photos of mine of certain celebrity. Which if I
understand is completely by the rules, since I have copyright of those
original photos, plus it's celebrity we are talking about, plus it's
taken concert so it's not even breaking privacy or anything of that
person. I was afraid that they might got stuck in approval process
since the beginning, and after other personas uploaded after them has
got approved within hours, it starts to be clear that they are stuck.
By side note, It's funny that photos of other objects such as nature,
cities and landsaceps gets through without problem, even though they
could as well break copyrights (and my guess is, it happens much, much
more often than in case of celebrity photos... no one just cares
enough the copyrights of them... unless it happens to be something
really unique).
Anyways, I gave the people who accepts the designs some hints on my
profile to check in case of "questionable" material. I hope it helps
them to review the personas. But in case that doesn't help, is there
any way to speed up this process and stop wasting THEIR time ? Since
I'm 100% that the copyright owner is more than happy to provide the
photos for the personas designs. Since I'm the copyright holder since
the moment I took the photos... ;)
Of course I could try to email them but I don't bother do that if it
won't have clear advance. Since I don't want to was my time either
mailing for nothing.
I do hope that in future, it's possible to gain certain trust for
designers who has no copyright breaks and that way would make
moderators work easier.
Does any of these submit approvers follow this group ? If so, is there
any chance that you would contact me personally or any way, so I could
give all the possible proofs of copyrights and so save waste of
resources looking them around the web where they can't even found.
Don't get me wrong. I'm more than happy that the copyrights are taken
seriously (being myself one of those people who has been abused even
by commercial press around the world...it sucks to see companies
making money with your work when you won't get one single penny out of
it. Non commercial usage I can tolerate to some point but the line
where they start making profit out of your work is just too much). It
gives lots of extra respect for the project. But due to nature of
figuring out which is stolen and which is not, it would be more than
necessary to provide better options for the designers to provide the
necessary proofs of copyrights or whatever is needed. It would make
things go smoother. And especially it would save time and resources.
Ronny
On Nov 5, 5:14 pm, Robbins Design <probb...@robbinsdesign.com> wrote:
> Personas that contain QUESTIONABLE content (i.e. images or photos that
> are copyright protected, including logos) often remain in cue longer
> then if it they were straight forward.
> On Nov 3, 1:02 pm, Dan Dumont <ddumon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was just wondering how long it takes Mozilla to add your Persona to
> > the gallery. I created a Sports one a couple of days ago and don't see
> > it, even under the "My" link. I imagine they have to quality control
> > the submissions...but does anybody know the deal?
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, RMJ <ronny.junnilai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there ANY way to speed up this process ?
> Since I have two personas in queue that uses photos of "questionable"
> material. These are photos of mine of certain celebrity. Which if I
> understand is completely by the rules, since I have copyright of those
> original photos, plus it's celebrity we are talking about, plus it's
> taken concert so it's not even breaking privacy or anything of that
> person. I was afraid that they might got stuck in approval process
> since the beginning, and after other personas uploaded after them has
> got approved within hours, it starts to be clear that they are stuck.
> By side note, It's funny that photos of other objects such as nature,
> cities and landsaceps gets through without problem, even though they
> could as well break copyrights (and my guess is, it happens much, much
> more often than in case of celebrity photos... no one just cares
> enough the copyrights of them... unless it happens to be something
> really unique).
> Anyways, I gave the people who accepts the designs some hints on my
> profile to check in case of "questionable" material. I hope it helps
> them to review the personas. But in case that doesn't help, is there
> any way to speed up this process and stop wasting THEIR time ? Since
> I'm 100% that the copyright owner is more than happy to provide the
> photos for the personas designs. Since I'm the copyright holder since
> the moment I took the photos... ;)
> Of course I could try to email them but I don't bother do that if it
> won't have clear advance. Since I don't want to was my time either
> mailing for nothing.
> I do hope that in future, it's possible to gain certain trust for
> designers who has no copyright breaks and that way would make
> moderators work easier.
> Does any of these submit approvers follow this group ? If so, is there
> any chance that you would contact me personally or any way, so I could
> give all the possible proofs of copyrights and so save waste of
> resources looking them around the web where they can't even found.
> Don't get me wrong. I'm more than happy that the copyrights are taken
> seriously (being myself one of those people who has been abused even
> by commercial press around the world...it sucks to see companies
> making money with your work when you won't get one single penny out of
> it. Non commercial usage I can tolerate to some point but the line
> where they start making profit out of your work is just too much). It
> gives lots of extra respect for the project. But due to nature of
> figuring out which is stolen and which is not, it would be more than
> necessary to provide better options for the designers to provide the
> necessary proofs of copyrights or whatever is needed. It would make
> things go smoother. And especially it would save time and resources.
> Ronny
> On Nov 5, 5:14 pm, Robbins Design <probb...@robbinsdesign.com> wrote:
>> Personas that contain QUESTIONABLE content (i.e. images or photos that
>> are copyright protected, including logos) often remain in cue longer
>> then if it they were straight forward.
>> On Nov 3, 1:02 pm, Dan Dumont <ddumon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I was just wondering how long it takes Mozilla to add your Persona to
>> > the gallery. I created a Sports one a couple of days ago and don't see
>> > it, even under the "My" link. I imagine they have to quality control
>> > the submissions...but does anybody know the deal?
It's one way, not necessary the best way. You see, now it seems to
work even with current people. It may not be super fast, but even few
hours delay is quite nice considering how many submissions are done.
The problem seems to be the personas that needs more careful look.
Hence it would be more important to improve efficiency on that field.
It's not necessary done by recuiting more people, but to help the
people already in. That's why it would be very nice to have some way
to help from the point of designer.
If I could become one of the approvers, I would gladly do it.
Unfortunately it's not possible right now, as I don't even have
regular internet access due to constant moving around. I haven't had
even chance to do my own graphics in long time, so another project to
handle would be a bit too much. And unfortunately I don't know anyone
who could help. Maybe someone will join once they introduce few of my
friends to this project (that's the point anyways, as I plan to make
personas that they would love to use, and eventually some might become
regular particapants into the project). But well, I consider donating
some of my time helping the project in someway.
But yeah, I'm still more interested of finding out if there is any
more efficient way to interact between the designers and the approvers
and whatever staff there is working currently.
Ronny
On Nov 8, 12:31 am, Shae Rivard <crim...@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm...some sort of automated process for approving would be ideal, but
extremely difficult. perhaps just having it flag content of
questionable origin for review and have those be sent to the
approvers, and the rest just get put up. both of these are very
difficult to get going.
opening up communications between designers and approvers would be
another solution. perhaps create an email account common to
approvers, then people could mail that account with copyright
information pertaining to their submission. When a particular
approver takes ownership of it they use a separate email , and keep
the approvers address CCed in for record keeping.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, RMJ <ronny.junnilai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's one way, not necessary the best way. You see, now it seems to
> work even with current people. It may not be super fast, but even few
> hours delay is quite nice considering how many submissions are done.
> The problem seems to be the personas that needs more careful look.
> Hence it would be more important to improve efficiency on that field.
> It's not necessary done by recuiting more people, but to help the
> people already in. That's why it would be very nice to have some way
> to help from the point of designer.
> If I could become one of the approvers, I would gladly do it.
> Unfortunately it's not possible right now, as I don't even have
> regular internet access due to constant moving around. I haven't had
> even chance to do my own graphics in long time, so another project to
> handle would be a bit too much. And unfortunately I don't know anyone
> who could help. Maybe someone will join once they introduce few of my
> friends to this project (that's the point anyways, as I plan to make
> personas that they would love to use, and eventually some might become
> regular particapants into the project). But well, I consider donating
> some of my time helping the project in someway.
> But yeah, I'm still more interested of finding out if there is any
> more efficient way to interact between the designers and the approvers
> and whatever staff there is working currently.
> Ronny
> On Nov 8, 12:31 am, Shae Rivard <crim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> best way to accelerate the process? find more people who are willing
>> to be approvers.
-- Best Regards,
Shae Rivard
I enjoy the massacre of ads. This sentence will slaughter ads without
a messy bloodbath.
Yes, automating it would be rather difficult due to the nature of
using images. Software is still pretty stupid recognizing image
elements. Living person can tell thousand times faster if the image
has unwanted context and often much faster to recognize if the image
is used against copyrights. So, it's not really an option. Except for
few cases, where there graphical elements are easy to artificially
recognize (such as symbols). Also face detection is doable, so it
could sort the personas that has people in them for closer study (as
they are quite often the copyrighted photos that are used).
But these days, I still think it's faster done by human. So more
approvers of course would help.
For the copyright problems, yeah, it would need more communication
between the designers and approvers. Even hidden field in options for
approvers to see, where designer could state the location where
possible copyright notices can be found would help a lot. Even if it
wouldn't give the approvers 100% sure proofs, it would at least give
them good pointer where to start. That's why I myself put some info of
myself in my profile, hoping the approvers to check it out in case of
copyright problems. They should get some idea from there to make up
their mind. No idea if it really helps... but that's all I can do for
now.
Anyways, it appears that 3 of my personas (with "questionable
contect") got approved after awhile, so for now everything is good for
myself. Even though I have new ones already waiting in queue. Altho,
what I afraid is that they weren't very carefully looked through at
the end, since it seems that the whole 1000 personas queue disappeared
in few hours. Makes me wonder how they speeded up things like that
(although, not even nearly all of them got approved, so some
moderating for done for sure).
Ronny
On Nov 8, 3:43 am, Shae Rivard <crim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm...some sort of automated process for approving would be ideal, but
> extremely difficult. perhaps just having it flag content of
> questionable origin for review and have those be sent to the
> approvers, and the rest just get put up. both of these are very
> difficult to get going.
> opening up communications between designers and approvers would be
> another solution. perhaps create an email account common to
> approvers, then people could mail that account with copyright
> information pertaining to their submission. When a particular
> approver takes ownership of it they use a separate email , and keep
> the approvers address CCed in for record keeping.
> just ideas.
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, RMJ <ronny.junnilai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's one way, not necessary the best way. You see, now it seems to
> > work even with current people. It may not be super fast, but even few
> > hours delay is quite nice considering how many submissions are done.
> > The problem seems to be the personas that needs more careful look.
> > Hence it would be more important to improve efficiency on that field.
> > It's not necessary done by recuiting more people, but to help the
> > people already in. That's why it would be very nice to have some way
> > to help from the point of designer.
> > If I could become one of the approvers, I would gladly do it.
> > Unfortunately it's not possible right now, as I don't even have
> > regular internet access due to constant moving around. I haven't had
> > even chance to do my own graphics in long time, so another project to
> > handle would be a bit too much. And unfortunately I don't know anyone
> > who could help. Maybe someone will join once they introduce few of my
> > friends to this project (that's the point anyways, as I plan to make
> > personas that they would love to use, and eventually some might become
> > regular particapants into the project). But well, I consider donating
> > some of my time helping the project in someway.
> > But yeah, I'm still more interested of finding out if there is any
> > more efficient way to interact between the designers and the approvers
> > and whatever staff there is working currently.
> > Ronny
> > On Nov 8, 12:31 am, Shae Rivard <crim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> best way to accelerate the process? find more people who are willing
> >> to be approvers.
> --
> Best Regards,
> Shae Rivard
> I enjoy the massacre of ads. This sentence will slaughter ads without
> a messy bloodbath.
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