On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Robert <forpoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Developers has to convince designers / business people that mootools
> is the way to go. And for this the best way is to show its excellence
> and large user base. I know because I "pushed" mootools for some big
> projects in my company. And they always ask: why use mootools when
> even MS uses JQuery? Then I have to show them same fancy effects and
> say "it is easier/better then JQ".

> Apache don't need to market itself because everybody knows it is best.
> Mootools doesn't have this position.
> And less developers means less code to reuse, less recognition, which
> means less developers,  and so on.

> Once Mootools has fame for its animations. Now we should pin some
> points where MooTools shines and market it with this in mind. Maybe we
> should work with Joomla people, they are probably the largest group of
> mootools users out there...

> On Sep 28, 9:00 am, Barry van Oudtshoorn <bvanoudtsho...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On 28/09/11 14:33, Robert wrote:> But webservers are for geeks and js
> frameworks are (in many cases)
> > > also for designers.

> > Hmm, I think that in the case of MooTools, the former is far and away
> > the larger target demographic. Yes, you can achieve fancy effects in
> > MooTools; you can do just about anything in MooTools that you can in
> > jQuery. The difference, and what I believe the website should promote,
> > is that MooTools is about writing code.

> > I think that generally speaking, people perceive the toolkits something
> > along these lines:

> > jQuery: quick, easy, fancy; it lets you manipulate the DOM and layer
> > effects onto existing documents.
> > YUI, Dojo: big frameworks for developing apps; the "enterprise" solution
> > (ugh).
> > MooTools: All and none of the above.

> > (Yes, there are more frameworks. No, I'm not going to list them. :P)

> > MooTools is not, to my mind, a framework to facilitate DOM manipulations
> > (although it does do that). Neither is it a UI toolkit (although you can
> > build/find one using it). MooTools is to JavaScript what a blowtorch is
> > to a crème brulée: the tool that makes it exceptional, rather than just
> > great.

> > I think that MooTools should be targeted primarily at developers, but
> > with a note to the effect that "Yes, it does X/Y/Z, too -- and well!"
> > Looking at the people who post to this mailing list, they're generally
> > developing fairly large-scale sites/apps using MooTools. In my opinion,
> > these people should be the target.

> > - Barry

> > --
> > Barry van Oudtshoornwww.barryvan.com.au

> > Not sent from my Apple πPhone.